Rights for whales & dolphins, necessity or exaggeration? Chris Butler-Stroud at TEDxLoughborough
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- Опубликовано: 1 дек 2013
- "Painting Humanity" - Recorded on 16th March 2013 at TEDxLoughborough in Loughborough, UK.
Venue: Loughborough Student's Union at Loughborough University.
■ Talk:
Dolphins and whales are the MOST human-like creatures in the ocean. Like man, they have intelligence, language, self-awareness and complex bahaviours. Chris Butler-Stroud, says and we quote: "We advocate for treating dolphins and whales as 'non-human persons' and protecting them with law". He will present a very alluring case to why dolphins should be accepted as sapient beings.
■ Speaker:
Chris Butler-Stroud is the representative of WDCS, one of the few UK organisations that signed the Declaration of Rights for Cetaceans (i.e dolphins and whales. Whale and Dolphin Conversation Society (WDCS), the leading global charity established in 1987, has been striving and constantly advocating the importance of the protection of whales and dolphins for over 2 decades. Chris Butler-Stroud joined WDCS in 1992 as a researcher for the fledgling organisation, working particularly on whaling issues. In 1999 he became the CEO of WDCS. Since then, he has led the organisation in building capacity and competence in all aspects of cetacean conservation and protection around the world. Chris has responsibilities for the family of WDCS organisations across the globe and sits on the Boards of WDCS Germany, USA and Australia.
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Dr. John Lilly broached this subject of animal species bias and intelligence. Besides individuality, we should be considering planetary memory as relates to the whales. We are wiping out "our" memory, which is alarming, because we have not deciphered that memory yet. This is an area we may make progress on when we focus on it, and to allow this memory resource to be destroyed is not only tragic, but potentially self destructive.
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+VJ#1 - I'm really interested in this idea of whales carrying our memory. I've heard something of it before but don't know much about it. Would you be able to point me in the direction of your knowledge of this? Thanks in advance from a bit of a history buff.
If you look at primitive human culture, prior to advent of written language, knowledge was passed along generations via storytelling. Given that whales have brains the size of mack truck engine blocks along with apparent advanced communication abilities that have existed for millions of years, it is within the realm of possibility whales may have been passing along ancient knowledge unbeknownst to us. I think that may have been what she meant.
What's shocking to me, is right now, in 2017, women in Saudi Arabia are petitioning their government to be recognised as "persons." They are not allowed to drive, walk out by themselves, must cover up from head to toe, and cannot vote without a male "guardian" - a "right" they received only in 2015, and that's just a few of the issues they struggle against. How far ahead we are in this part of the world to be able to debate this very interesting topic on this video, yet half-way around the world in misogynistic societies such as Saudi Arabia people are still living in the stone age era.
It's a testament to the greatness of Western culture. This is why I believe that the West, Western culture and traditional Western values are worth preserving. Because whether anyone likes it or not, it is predominantly Westerners who will actually fight to save these animals. OK we screwed up in the past, but this kind of soul searching is a typically Western behaviour. We've done it on other issues in the past (Wilberforce and slavery come to mind) and there are other current issues (abortion for instance) where we still need to do it. My point is that Westerners typically engage in this soul searching. It doesn't tend to happen in other countries, and certainly does not happen in bloody Japan. This is precisely why I am proud of my Western heritage.
Milanka you really think western cultures are the only ones that do soul searching and empathizing ? step down and away from your pride c’mon now
@@xXxglassgowdreamxXx Yes, only the West.
i love this talk. In my Theory of knowlege my teacher has been saying that social aciences only apply to humans because of the reasons as mentioned in this video. This talk is perfect for supporting my idea of the argument. Thank you for this talk. Love it!!!
You know, the thing about dolphins is if humanity and dolphins survive long enough in my opinion dolphins could possibly learn human language and communicate via Morse code. They are almost as human as us and also much more down to earth.
Dolphins could also be a reset for social stereotypes as they don’t know them meaning dolphins may even have better ethical judgement than us.
I don’t see dolphins as just animals but also a test for mankind
Can we coexist and learn from and with another species
Or are we just the savages we kill for fun and money?
Edit: also If we don’t know much about the psychology of a dolphin, why not try to actually help them a slight bit by advancing their knowledge as dolphins also pass on information and eventually after a bit of help they should be able to become unified across multiple pods and coexist to where they could study their environment better than we can since they live underwater. This would give humanity thousands more years of life and also at the same time actually learning so much. And going back to the start of this edit this means they could tell us.
Anyone else agree?
Edit: I was in a ranting mood and this was too deep of a thought for the internet.
At last! A scientist talking sense!
At last? What do you possibly mean?
Fantastic talk and inspirational content!
I really enjoyed this Talk. He made some really good points.
An incredibly improtant topic but unfortunately not the best talk. Still, gets the point across at least somehow. Protect the oceans, every single one of us has to!
Keep up the work!
Interesting speech.
Absolutely 👍
This guy sounds like Tyson Fury🥱🤣
Blackfish 😤😤😤😤😤
All animals are a who, not a what. All animal species are deserving of basic rights. Go vegan if you're not already
A fetus should have rights because they are human beings and if just given time they will become babies, are babies persons? Do they deserve human rights? Of course right? Then why do we as a society have decided that the same baby has no more rights than a bacteria or tumor when it is inside a woman? Although I think we should not eat or kill animals that are smarter than our dogs this include some cetaceans I think that we should put the rights of humans first by criminalizing abortion by recognizing it as murder, and should treat cetaceans as we treat dogs.
there is only a small period of time in which preganncy is allowed to be terminated. that means that form this momet on the fetus has human rights. this is based upon science and facts and distinguishes very clearly between fetus and personhood. so, scientifically seen, they're not babies yet, so women are allowed to decide on their own bodies on their own. doesn't mean you have to do that yourself, ethically. but you cant force women to go through preganancies in stages in which the fetus is barely alive.
No
Ugh! This guy advocates for whale "personhood" but is equivocal about fetus personhood.
One thing I'm sure about: whale rights loons and ethicists are not persons and should rightly be hunted.
I’m not so sure what so hard to understand about that.
By the definition he is using, a fetus certainly isn’t a person. In fact, by that definition, infants don’t fall into the guidelines either as humans don’t develop self awareness until at least two years of age.
You’re being far too precious about things. You could parse every word of any one person talking and completely destroy the meaning behind anything.
Besides, even defining a fetus as human is questionable, and this is a scientific talk. Science isn’t particularly interested in presenting you what makes you feel good, only the provable facts.
Please. Get hunted