With Omega having so many Speedmaster models over the years, the new 321 provides an opportunity to own a watch which is less industrial in its manufacture and with a real link to the space program. I think also that the AD price is a bit too high, but not to an extreme. Excellent review.
Awesome video thank you, I wasn't sure after I saw the still photos on your website but this has redressed the balance and re-ignited my enthusiasm, now I cannot wait to get the e-mail or more hopefully the call. My AD has confirmed that I am on the list but sadly has confirmed that Omega has advised that the store won't receive their first watch until Jan 2021 at the earliest. So just have to be patient.
Great video and glad you're happy with it. I must not be the speedy fan I thought I was because this doesn't pull at the heartstrings for me, but it will be loved by many no doubt!
Omega hit this one out of the park. Everything is perfect from the dial to the bezel to the movement to the bracelet. I love what they did with the lugs. I’ve never been a fan of the lugs on traditional Speedmasters. Same with the modern bracelet. It’s just not a nice design. It looks like a poor man’s Oyster. This flatlink bracelet on the other hand is very attractive.
Great video I always wanted a speedy but 42mm is too big for my liking. 40mm is perfect and I love all the features on this and the fact one watch maker sign me up. Just spoke with my AD they will call me when they get their first one due in early 2021. Can't wait!
The watch is out of this world. I credit you with helping to get the watch off the ground( so to speak ). I have a 1968 145.012 serial number 5497----- produced in Oct. 1968. My 19 year old will pass this watch down to his children and enjoy the 100 year celebration of the first moon landing in 2069. P.S. the watch is already his.
Thank you for showing the real thing RJ. It's been a long wait since the January confirmation email from Omega. Btw, have you had a chance to test how accurate this caliber 321 is compared to say a standard 1861?
No, just picked it up and havent even had time to put it on the Witschi yet. I will do so and mention it in the review on Fratello soon. However, tbh I am not sure the clientele for this watch are that concerned with accuracy. The 3861 is perfect for those looking for great accuracy. My 3861 has been dead-on.
It's a great watch. I don't understand why having one watchmaker assemble the whole thing is a big deal. Isn't this what happens typically when a watch is serviced? What makes the first assembly more work?
I am happy with my Ultraman which has all the features this one does minus the 321 movement. I love its applied logo, step dial and DON bezel but at half the price
I get that it’s more difficult to produce the 321 movement but the price is very steep for Omega. It’s like they decided to move up the price ladder whilst skipping a few steps in the process
Excellent video! Keep up the good work! Wish I had £10,000 to get the 321, my grail watch! Still, got to keep saving for my first ever Omega, I'll get there eventually!!
Would buy if it have the chronometer certification though, like the 861 they made in 90s albeit LE. Not a fan of the 3861 as it has the cam instead of the column wheel though.
@@davidcrane7603 it's not the teeth but the post of the column when one really really really wants to break things up like resetting the non flyback watch movement during the chronograph running
Well, I prefer to pay more for this Omega 321 than a Daytona which is by far heavily mass produced. In the omega at least you can see what are you paying for if you turn the piece and look at that stunning movement
@@horlojerie Hey Jeremy - no, it's not for me. I think it's a nice enough watch, but for me it's too shiny and not a good enough value proposition - especially in comparison to the original. Might feel differently if I was an Omega collector instead of just liking some specific Omega references. You?
Wow, i love it 😍😍😍. Thanks for sharing 👍. But, if just one watch maker work on the watches, and the range are 1000-2000 watches per year, he's finished between 4 and 8 Watches a Day. Or 1 or 2 hours per movement. Is it possible? 😏😁
Hi Rob... Great video of a great watch. Yes, the price is a topic, but "only" the price. Everything else looks how it should. I would have love to see the box, but i am sure you will show it to us via fratello.com someday. All the best.
What was the point of carrying out a tomography of the watch given that there were thousands of these pieces made at the time? What did they really learn from it?
I would assume they needed to import the drawings into CAD for the cnc machines to spit out. Likely they wanted to validate the historical technical drawings from Lemania to what was actually built by the watchmakers, those watchmakers are not alive anymore.
We will put the exact dimensions in our upcoming article on Fratello.com. It wears similar to the 60th anniversary, but with a lighter and thinner bracelet.
No, this movement is built based on the original specs of the caliber 321. If you want the Moonwatch with Master Chronometer specs you will need to wait for the Speedmaster Professional with caliber 3861.
I would have loved to see some technical improvements (larger power reserve/chronometer certification) to the movement rather than a reproduction without spec bump, everyone knows the technical superiority of the cal. 4130. If Omega wishes to keep the 321 in limited hand-produced style, I'd expect hand finishing to the movement with a slightly higher price point, and a quick-adjust clasp on the bracelet.
Those pins are there to perfect the movement of the balance wheel, as you would do with a car wheel by adding some led peaces. The 321 is an old movement that need to be adjusted as such. Nothing to compare with modern movement. This is also the reason why the 321 cannot be mass produce but need to be hand assembled.
"The end pieces are 19mm". I guess the demand for this bracelet will be huge since FOIS owners have been waiting to get a OEM flat link from Omega for years now. ( yes i know about the end-link conversion).
I don't get it, why don't regular people make metal bracelets for Omega (and Rolex), make it as precise as the real thing, shouldn't be as hard as, say, making a movement, call it Omegon or Omegis and sell a bunch? I mean, single Rolex links go for $3-400, it's absurd. I also don't understand why all watchmakers don't make straps the way Vacheron does, no tools needed 2 seconds to swap kinda thing, it makes nothing but sense and can't be much more expensive than what they're using now either.
Nice looking watch apart from the lume. The price is ridiculous for an archaic movement. Omega can self-justify all they want about how they undertook extensive research and reconstruction with assembly in a dedicated workshop, etc, but the calibre was antiquated in 1968. 5-decades later and it's practically prehistoric.
digggert I’m on the look for a modern manual-wound chronograph that doesn’t break the bank. Can you give me some suggestions of a few (that are cheaper than this Ed white re-edition)? I’ll gladly cancel my order then.
Great watch, just WAY too expensive. Omega had an opportunity to create a truly high-demand watch with this one, and they blew it. They could've easily offered this watch at $7,500 to $8,500 USD, satisfied their customers, and made a killing with it, had they simply gone into normal production on it. Having a single watchmaker hand-build them is just gimmicky and stupid, and something Rolex would never do. If Omega wants to compete with and even beat Rolex, this sure isn't the way to do it.
With all my respect, your remark is off tracks. There are people like me who absolutely don't want to see Omega doing Rolex game and are more than happy to pay a higher price to get something handmade, exclusive and not for everyone.
@@nyrmala7383 The only game Rolex plays is limiting production of their sports watches, which are all standard-production watches with standard-production AUTOMATIC movements, and allowing flippers and investors to create a ridiculous grey market frenzy. I frankly don't like that (artificial scarcity and price gouging) either, but I CERTAINLY don't like Omega's game of having a single watchmaker hand-build a legacy manual-wind movement that was previously the standard-production movement, and then charge $14,100 for it. That's more (retail) than a Rolex Daytona with a 4130 (automatic) movement, which is significantly more advanced, and superior. The 321 frankly shouldn't be difficult to put BACK into standard production. If they could do it then, they can do it now--with much better manufacturing methods and materials.
I should have also mentioned that’s it’s a VERY nice watch, and I really like it. I just think they should’ve and COULD’VE put it into standard production, and priced it within 10,000 USD, and perhaps even within $8,500 USD. They would’ve sold A LOT more of these had they done that.
@@defrev they can’t the movement are hand finished the traditional way. It’s adjusted after full assembly then disassembled again to clean the small ash from handcrafting.
Thanks for watching this video! It was a lot of fun to create it! A full written review (with images) will appear soon on our website.
Thank You Mr Robert and Fratello for showing this amazing piece !👍
More than welcome!
Great video! Thanks. Keep the photos coming!
Thanks Scott!
With Omega having so many Speedmaster models over the years, the new 321 provides an opportunity to own a watch which is less industrial in its manufacture and with a real link to the space program. I think also that the AD price is a bit too high, but not to an extreme. Excellent review.
Any chance for discounts?
I've been really enjoying your videos. Super informative! Thank you!
Thanks Zev
Great and very informative video! Thanks RJ and Fratello!
Thanks Jonas
Awesome video thank you, I wasn't sure after I saw the still photos on your website but this has redressed the balance and re-ignited my enthusiasm, now I cannot wait to get the e-mail or more hopefully the call. My AD has confirmed that I am on the list but sadly has confirmed that Omega has advised that the store won't receive their first watch until Jan 2021 at the earliest. So just have to be patient.
Great review! Thanks! Finally got the call from my AD that mine will be delivered in a month's time ...yay!
Congrats!!
Great video and glad you're happy with it. I must not be the speedy fan I thought I was because this doesn't pull at the heartstrings for me, but it will be loved by many no doubt!
OBWAT to Each his or her own of course! Thanks for your comment :-)
Awesome review and video, RJ. Beautiful watch. Love everything you do. Wear in good health.
Thanks!
Another masterpiece by Omega
Yes yes yes🙌🙌🙌🙌finally it’s here...I’m waiting for the call from AD to get mine👌 this is a super rundown of the new 321 and it’s features 🙏
Thanks Christian, much appreciated!
Thx 4 for review. Super cool 😎👍
Thanks Michael!
Wow, thanks for awesome review 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks, much appreciated!
Great video RJ! Looking forward to seeing one!
Thanks Dan!
This watch is amazing! Congratulations
Not for $14,100 USD, it isn't. For $7,500 to $8,500 as a standard-production watch, it would be.
how does this only have 11k views? Great video thank you for sharing!
Thanks. No clue, RUclips decides I guess.
Good stuff. Congrats RJ!
Thanks! Appreciate it!
Great review, i think one of the most iconic watches today :D
Thanks for your comment!
Even without the nasa connection,its a beautiful design and my favourite chronograph.
I'm surprised they did not stamp the case back "the last watch worn on the moon" :)
Stunning.
comprehensive review!
Omega hit this one out of the park. Everything is perfect from the dial to the bezel to the movement to the bracelet.
I love what they did with the lugs. I’ve never been a fan of the lugs on traditional Speedmasters.
Same with the modern bracelet. It’s just not a nice design. It looks like a poor man’s Oyster.
This flatlink bracelet on the other hand is very attractive.
Great video I always wanted a speedy but 42mm is too big for my liking. 40mm is perfect and I love all the features on this and the fact one watch maker sign me up. Just spoke with my AD they will call me when they get their first one due in early 2021. Can't wait!
I must of watched this video over 10 times 😂 love it
Thanks man!
great content. also, still loving that moonshine gold on your wrist! one day😍
Thanks!!
Worth every cent! Looking forward to the box and its contents :)
I love this soooooo much.
We do too! ❤️
I would have the steel over the platinum 321 (irrespective of price). The all black dial looks better than the meteorite one IMO
The watch is out of this world. I credit you with helping to get the watch off the ground( so to speak ). I have a 1968 145.012 serial number 5497----- produced in Oct. 1968. My 19 year old will pass this watch down to his children and enjoy the 100 year celebration of the first moon landing in 2069. P.S. the watch is already his.
Amazing! Thanks for your nice comments and thanks for sharing your story.
Beautiful product photography. Great review and video.
Thanks Ben! Get one as well! ;-)
Thank you for showing the real thing RJ. It's been a long wait since the January confirmation email from Omega. Btw, have you had a chance to test how accurate this caliber 321 is compared to say a standard 1861?
No, just picked it up and havent even had time to put it on the Witschi yet. I will do so and mention it in the review on Fratello soon. However, tbh I am not sure the clientele for this watch are that concerned with accuracy. The 3861 is perfect for those looking for great accuracy. My 3861 has been dead-on.
It's a great watch. I don't understand why having one watchmaker assemble the whole thing is a big deal. Isn't this what happens typically when a watch is serviced? What makes the first assembly more work?
The video actually works a bit better than the written review.
I am happy with my Ultraman which has all the features this one does minus the 321 movement. I love its applied logo, step dial and DON bezel but at half the price
Great video, does anyone know if this bracelet will fit the FOIS?
I get that it’s more difficult to produce the 321 movement but the price is very steep for Omega. It’s like they decided to move up the price ladder whilst skipping a few steps in the process
Wow!
thanks for posting. been waiting for a review of the real thing for a while. does the bracelet taper?
Hi, yes it does!
Great video from the man himself. Cheers.
Thanks Valence!
Excellent video! Keep up the good work! Wish I had £10,000 to get the 321, my grail watch! Still, got to keep saving for my first ever Omega, I'll get there eventually!!
Would buy if it have the chronometer certification though, like the 861 they made in 90s albeit LE. Not a fan of the 3861 as it has the cam instead of the column wheel though.
The teeth on column wheels tend to break. A Speedmaster went down on the moon. I bet it was the column wheel that broke.
@@davidcrane7603 it's not the teeth but the post of the column when one really really really wants to break things up like resetting the non flyback watch movement during the chronograph running
Congratulations 🎉 excellent review. Love💖321. But it's run a bit fast right?
We didn’t put it on the Witschi, but based on wearing it for a few days, it doesn’t have a noticable deviation.
Well, I prefer to pay more for this Omega 321 than a Daytona which is by far heavily mass produced. In the omega at least you can see what are you paying for if you turn the piece and look at that stunning movement
Agreed!
Good video, but expected 105.003 content. Recommend we call this one the Ed Beige.
Are you getting one?
@@horlojerie Hey Jeremy - no, it's not for me. I think it's a nice enough watch, but for me it's too shiny and not a good enough value proposition - especially in comparison to the original. Might feel differently if I was an Omega collector instead of just liking some specific Omega references. You?
Wow, i love it 😍😍😍. Thanks for sharing 👍. But, if just one watch maker work on the watches, and the range are 1000-2000 watches per year, he's finished between 4 and 8 Watches a Day. Or 1 or 2 hours per movement. Is it possible? 😏😁
Only one watchmaker for each single watch, not for all of them
There are in total of 4 expert watch makers in that special department
@@begood5652 Actually they are 8 watchmakers (according to Omega ) and each 321 movement needs 2 days to assemble.
More video please 👍👍👍👍👍
Coming up!
Hi Rob... Great video of a great watch. Yes, the price is a topic, but "only" the price. Everything else looks how it should. I would have love to see the box, but i am sure you will show it to us via fratello.com someday. All the best.
Someday will be Tuesday ;-)
The icon is back. I would have like hesalite glass and more holes on th clasp to adjust the bracelet lenght.
My 1957 speedy had a glidelock. Can't understand why they did not use the same clasp
Hopefully the new Speedy 3861 will be on the Moon/Mars sooner rather than later!🤑🚀
What was the point of carrying out a tomography of the watch given that there were thousands of these pieces made at the time? What did they really learn from it?
Fair point. They indicated that they did this to make a blue print of the new caliber 321 based on the Cernan watch without risking to damage it.
I would assume they needed to import the drawings into CAD for the cnc machines to spit out. Likely they wanted to validate the historical technical drawings from Lemania to what was actually built by the watchmakers, those watchmakers are not alive anymore.
What is the case width and lug-to-lug dimension? Does it wear similar to the current FOIS?
We will put the exact dimensions in our upcoming article on Fratello.com. It wears similar to the 60th anniversary, but with a lighter and thinner bracelet.
Much prefer the taper.
Where did you buy this as it is not available yet
Omega Boutique in Switzerland
素晴らしい!
Is this also built to withstand 15000 gauss like other post 2017 omega models?
No, this movement is built based on the original specs of the caliber 321. If you want the Moonwatch with Master Chronometer specs you will need to wait for the Speedmaster Professional with caliber 3861.
How did you get this already?!
Even your example of the Ed White has the regulation maxed to the ‘R’. Improper regulation at the factory. Not great for a watch of this price.
I would have loved to see some technical improvements (larger power reserve/chronometer certification) to the movement rather than a reproduction without spec bump, everyone knows the technical superiority of the cal. 4130. If Omega wishes to keep the 321 in limited hand-produced style, I'd expect hand finishing to the movement with a slightly higher price point, and a quick-adjust clasp on the bracelet.
This watch is better than a steel Daytona, the price is justified 100%
Does it also beat at the original beat rate of 18,000 vs 1861 21,600?
yes
CORRECTION the Speedmaster was 265497.. sorry
RJ 👍🏻 mooi!
Dank Zeger!
Excellent video. Just missing a view on your wrist...
Why won't they bother to cut that brass pin that verry extended up to the balance wheel though, wouldn't hurt just to clip it out, you know...
Those pins are there to perfect the movement of the balance wheel, as you would do with a car wheel by adding some led peaces. The 321 is an old movement that need to be adjusted as such. Nothing to compare with modern movement. This is also the reason why the 321 cannot be mass produce but need to be hand assembled.
Great watch, but the price disparity between this and your typical Speedmaster Professional is just too much
There's quite some difference between them, but if you just want a Moonwatch, you can save yourself some money indeed!
You also didn’t show it on wrist? Wow
Wait, no wrist shots ??? very disappointing. Also woulda been nice to know if it can be fitted with other bracelets... Beautiful watch though
Wristshots can be found in the accompanying article on Fratello Watches.
I don’t believe Omega had to ‘scan’ the movement. Surely they had drawings.... and actual movements in their archive.
The drawings they had weren't sufficient. So they scanned the movement.
@@FratelloMagazine their own drawing of their own movement were not sufficient? How did they make the movement in the first place then?
@@johnprosser5035 Lemania did. Not Omega.
This one or the new Snoopy silver? 🧐
"The end pieces are 19mm". I guess the demand for this bracelet will be huge since FOIS owners have been waiting to get a OEM flat link from Omega for years now. ( yes i know about the end-link conversion).
I don't get it, why don't regular people make metal bracelets for Omega (and Rolex), make it as precise as the real thing, shouldn't be as hard as, say, making a movement, call it Omegon or Omegis and sell a bunch? I mean, single Rolex links go for $3-400, it's absurd. I also don't understand why all watchmakers don't make straps the way Vacheron does, no tools needed 2 seconds to swap kinda thing, it makes nothing but sense and can't be much more expensive than what they're using now either.
What list?
Idk Birdman a bit more context would help :)
I wished omega kept it with hesalite, yet with applied logo and sapphire back.
Nice. Clearly ripped off the Rodania Geometer design, but looks good
Nice video, but I don‘t like the music in the back ground...
Is that white dust on the dial? If so, this shouldn’t be there, don’t u think?
It is on the crystal. No worries.
Its moon dust.
Ben Hodges 😂🤣🤣👍🏽
Needed to be hesalite really. To have that warmth and distortion
Nice looking watch apart from the lume. The price is ridiculous for an archaic movement. Omega can self-justify all they want about how they undertook extensive research and reconstruction with assembly in a dedicated workshop, etc, but the calibre was antiquated in 1968. 5-decades later and it's practically prehistoric.
I agree. While it's cool, the price is ridiculous and there's comparable modern chronographs assembled by hand that are considerably cheaper.
@@digggert ... Of course, I think it's great and would happily wear one, sadly, I couldn't justify the vulgar price.
digggert I’m on the look for a modern manual-wound chronograph that doesn’t break the bank. Can you give me some suggestions of a few (that are cheaper than this Ed white re-edition)? I’ll gladly cancel my order then.
Gregory Paul Box watch prices have gotten out of hand over the last few years, I have to agree. Omega is just trying to “play the game”
Michael Dude I’m guessing it’ll be 8-10k USD. What do you reckon?
Great watch, just WAY too expensive. Omega had an opportunity to create a truly high-demand watch with this one, and they blew it. They could've easily offered this watch at $7,500 to $8,500 USD, satisfied their customers, and made a killing with it, had they simply gone into normal production on it. Having a single watchmaker hand-build them is just gimmicky and stupid, and something Rolex would never do. If Omega wants to compete with and even beat Rolex, this sure isn't the way to do it.
With all my respect, your remark is off tracks.
There are people like me who absolutely don't want to see Omega doing Rolex game and are more than happy to pay a higher price to get something handmade, exclusive and not for everyone.
@@nyrmala7383 The only game Rolex plays is limiting production of their sports watches, which are all standard-production watches with standard-production AUTOMATIC movements, and allowing flippers and investors to create a ridiculous grey market frenzy. I frankly don't like that (artificial scarcity and price gouging) either, but I CERTAINLY don't like Omega's game of having a single watchmaker hand-build a legacy manual-wind movement that was previously the standard-production movement, and then charge $14,100 for it. That's more (retail) than a Rolex Daytona with a 4130 (automatic) movement, which is significantly more advanced, and superior. The 321 frankly shouldn't be difficult to put BACK into standard production. If they could do it then, they can do it now--with much better manufacturing methods and materials.
Fifty years of moon hype still paying off for Omega. Big time here. Waay overpriced.
Yep. They really screwed up with the pricing and single-watchmaker gimmick. REALLY dumb.
I should have also mentioned that’s it’s a VERY nice watch, and I really like it. I just think they should’ve and COULD’VE put it into standard production, and priced it within 10,000 USD, and perhaps even within $8,500 USD. They would’ve sold A LOT more of these had they done that.
@@defrev they can’t the movement are hand finished the traditional way. It’s adjusted after full assembly then disassembled again to clean the small ash from handcrafting.
Heel gaaf horloge. Ben een beetje jaloers. 😉
Idk nice watch but I’d rather get a Rolex... also the second hand is so jumpy not very smooth.
Buy what you love! The movement is ticking at 18000vph, so indeed it ticks slower than other modern watches.
DON WATCH
Nice watch, but hero-brand worship oozes out of every second here.
That’s what you get after you bought the watch you love.
I hate the current watch world. Everythings either limited edition or hard to get. Just F off already! (Brands not fratello :) )
Music is boring
Nothing special excp the price tag. Omega once again misses the mark and dilute its brand equity