Apes are not three times stronger than a human, per muscle mass they are 1/3 times stronger which is still quite a bit but not in the science fiction realm of 3 to 8 times stronger this myth keeps spreading.
@@rayhanmustakim7073 more likely they would either die in small groups or band together under pressure creating a social structure more similar to chimpanzees in order to survive
The way you ended off with the fact that these apes have 25 to 30 million years to evolve makes me think we could see highly advanced apes reflect or prevent the asteorid impact, thus saving the dinosaurs-
@@randallbesch2424 that was just due to every niche being filled well; apes being time-warped as-is to back then would suddenly have to force themselves or their niche to work
Makes sense in this scenario I could see all three species adapting to the world and eventually becoming the dominant species like we did. I could even see them surviving tto present day. That said the odds threw develop into humans are low but more human like probable.
Probably the opposite depending on where in the world they get dropped let's assume a rainforest which is their modern-day habitat the raptors would be more arboreal ambush hunters there like jaguars and while gorillas can fight off a jaguar it needs to be a fully grown adult to do so and raptors are also speculated to be fully capable of hunting at night so I don't see them having a fun time and if they are in deciduous forest then no they are just dying the raptors there were larger then wolves and hunted in packs
@Imadreamergang No, I was talking about American dromaeosaurs they were typically the size of a large wolf to the size of a bear they hunted in deciduous forests and were pack hunters that hunted hadrosaurs
@@panzermasterwalker4393 That's the fun of it. Also, to see the difference between early generalists and modern-day specialists. The spec evo would also go crazy.
I really like the idea of the gorilla knocking down trees to make to make barriers between them and the larger Theropod but it also reminds me of how Beavers do a similar thing but with the gorilla increase size, they could make much larger nests
Ideas for future ideas: Could Andrewsarchus survive in the Permian? Could Terror Birds survive in the Mesozoic? Could Utahraptor survive in the Cenozoic? Could Megalania survive in the Mesozoic? Could Dimetrodon survive in the Cenozoic? Could Homo erectus survive in the Permian?
Honestly I half expected you to say Chimpanzees could drive local Sauropods to extinction since they'd cave in their weak skulls if they started chewing on the trees.
Nah the moment that starts happening, the sauropods will start stomping chimps and may develop behaviours like stomping down trees to reduce chimp habitats and drive them away. Plus I wouldn’t be suprised if the carnivores that hunt the sauropods would start hunting chimps that hunt sauropods
Idk that would probably happen alot since chimps are really good at swarming things bigger than them, so the idea of caving in a saurapods skull isn't foreign. But those skull are NOT fragile.
@@ExtremeMadnessX that is a movie. They are not realistic in their depictions. From what I could tell is that most Saurapods are smart enough to avoid unnecessary conflict with rabid chimps cuz they're annoying and also probably do pose a threat. Chimps are no joke.
@@Gabberbam they are also large. a sauropods head is like the same size or larger than a chimp... they just look small because the sauropods body is so massive
Love it when there's a picture of upper Cretaceous Africa and Spinosaurus is standing in the background all like 👉👈 "Mom said its my turn on the XBox..."
If we want to get all judo-like, theropods have some pretty blaring combat weaknesses. Giving an example in modern ostrich farming, pulling their neck down prevents them from kicking. Anatomically, most theropods seem like they'll have a similar weakness. If an ape can figure that out, they'll have a good defense strategy. Then other apes can hold the legs, and the dino would be incapacitated. Gorillas would be best suited for this, but they can also get by just standing up and intimidating most other dinosaurs. Again with the ostrich example, you can hold up a pool noodle high and they'll think you're a bigger, scarier ostrich. Also, don't count out gorillas climbing trees. They're still quite good at it, but prefer not to. Faced with giant monsters, that preference may change. And why put all the apes just in one location? You could have bonobos in the European archipelago (where they're safe from pretty much everything except azhdarchids), chimps elsewhere, etc. India and Antarctica would also be good places.
@@Distix-uz8qr You coulda fooled me, there goes my thesis. Ostriches are paleognaths, which preserve many non-avian traits. Their brain-to-body mass ratio is about the same as most dromaeosaurs, if not even slightly better. The only Cretaceous predators with mammal-like intelligence were the troodontids (e.g. _Stenonychosaurus sp._ ) and kin, not really a threat to apes. Even modern hawks and owls can be described by the most adept falconers as "not really all that bright", making a lot of mental shortcuts. So, non-avian theropods could probably be fooled by vertical height intimidation. Anatomically, the neck idea still stands. In order for a dromaeosaur to put its legs into slashing position, the torso has to be angled upwards in order for a hind leg to kick forward. If the neck is pinned down, it can't really do that. Having very strong legs, it would require some strength and weight which apes have in spades. Additionally, ostriches with their heads stuck have accidentally ripped their own heads off trying to get loose. I can see even a big _Utahraptor_ pinned down by gorillas snapping its own neck trying to get free.
Don’t forget also humans can literally lockdown a crocodile or alligator even though the large weight difference. Grappling hands are very good at preventing bites.
@@jedihunter176 again the dromeasaur body plan is allot different to an ostrich and for the most part apes like gorillas are known to be predated on by the significantly smaller leopard and no a utah raptor would not snap its neck trying to escape
I doubt most theropods relied on kicking to kill their prey. Besides, if a 30 kilogram cat can prey on these monkeys and render them useless, a 600+ kg theropod would surely do the job just fine.
I find it funny that Gorillas thanks to their years of evolution just basically become something similar to King Kong from the 2005 movie Who I think the book confirmed were often in feuds with the native Vastatosaurus Rex. So the idea of a race of apes growing larger to compete with saurians isn't a completely foreign idea.
A lot of this series is whether herbivores and omnivores would be able to find food and avoid predation. Makes me curious to see a large land predator such as wolves or a big cat. Lions would almost certainly die off when faced with strong competition, but a more stealthy ambush predator like a jaguar or tiger would probably fare better, and it'd be interesting to consider the impact of pack tactics of canines.
My Suggestions: - Could Parasaurolophus survive Earth in "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes" - Could Pikachu and/or Eevee survive the Mesozoic? - Could JP/JW Velociraptors survive the Jurassic? - Could Scutosaurus survive the Pleistocene? - Could Iguanodon survive the Pokémon World?
I think I broadly agree on the spec-evo bit. Even the more visibly out-there evolution of horticulturalist orangutans. I'm not sure they'd pick up a defined caste system though, given that they're starting from a more solitary approach. I can see them figuring out intentional seed dispersal within a few generations, but I think their more significant development will be forest-clearing methods. They'll have a strong pressure to figure out how to clear out non-edible plants such as conifers, and I'd bet they'll figure out how to apply fire for that purpose relatively quickly. And from there we'll see something not too dissimilar to your idea develop. But I think you're really underusing the existing tendency of panids to use relatively complex tools. I do think that a hybridization of chimpanzees and bonobos is the most likely result of them being forced together like this. But chimpanzee populations have already been observed using organized warfare-like behavior and manufacturing (hunting) weapons. And I think chimpanzee organized aggression (both hunting monkeys and fighting each other) and bonobo social cohesion will both be very strongly selected for with the predators and competitors they have to deal with. So I see them ending up as extremely tight-knit troops of generalist omnivores that use complex hunting weapons and pack tactics to bring down larger game and defend against predators. Not too dissimilar to your Night-Wolf chimpanzees, but probably closer to a niche convergence with hominids than the descendants of the orangutans. I pretty much agree on gorillas. Again, we'll see their existing social structure and intelligence being their biggest survival advantages in the beginning. I'd expect bigger troops with more males to be selected for very early on, and maybe more shared-dominance situations with multiple large silverbacks. Group intimidation is going to be their best defense against the mid-sized therapods, especially using their ability to make a lot of noise and make intimidating displays, and thankfully for the gorillas that's mostly a behavioral adaptation so can be made more quickly than physical adaptations. But size and out-group aggression will still be major fitness advantages and be selected for over time. One thing I could see happening pretty quickly is for their nesting sites to be selected for defensibility, and with great ape intelligence I could see them starting to actively improve the defensibility of their nest sites within a few generations, making fortified camps of a sort.
This was the best Accessing Survival video I've seen sor far on this channel. New music & spec evo fan arts are the highlights. Thank you, Chunky Kong & Green Turret.
I happy to see orangutans ended doing well in this. Vidoes request: Would the ScorchBeasts from Fallout 76 survive the Jurassic? Would the Murloc from World of Warcraft survive the Paleogene Period?
Couple episode ideas Could baleen whales survive in the Mesozoic? Could birds of prey survive in the Mesozoic Could big cats survive in the Mesozoic Could wolves survive in the Mesozoic
Intelligence is vastly underrated in match ups. So is the aggression of chimpanzees. A band of charging chimps with pointed sticks in a shock V formation was a thing to be feared.
Yeahhhhh, that's something that I really dislike about MMs spec-evo/hypothetical matchup vids - he is way to lenient on the animals that are being airdropped into foreign environments. My biggest gripe was with the elephant one, cos imo they wouldn't stand a chance in either cretaceous North America, nor North Africa, but he still put them in an environment that would have been better suited to them, rather than in their real world habitat, just in the cretaceous.
@@quempire2656 all I'm saying is that he usually makes it too easy for the featured animals, and even when he bashes their capability in one category, he still gives above average scores (6-8)
An equally scary potential for chimps would be if having to deal with larger creatures and needing protein spurred on a rapid development in tool and weapon use, getting better at throwing while not getting too much bigger, taking out large prey by ambushing them from the trees with thrown spears and rocks, perhaps even rudimentary bows and slings, before finishing them off by dropping on them, spear in hand. Either that or they get very good at farming insects like termites which were apparently around during the late Jurassic, maybe the orangs would favor that.
Im really in love with the idea of the Wolf Chimp, thats such a simple yet cool spec evo species idea. Theyre like hairy little tree goblins if chimps weren’t already tree goblins themselves
The kudokubwa is definitely my favorite of any spec evo you've done so far. It has a bunch of cool traits and aren't as far-fetched as some other spec evos you've presented
Appreciate the geological formations you select for the videos. Love Hell Creek and The Morrison but I also understand that we don’t need to see every animal in existence try to survive in one of those two specific environments
9:25 This is the textbook definition of "[F] around and find out" [A mysterious Horn Turtle Deathclaw shoots up out of a lake and kills a dinosaur that was about to eat a Ruropithicus] Ruropithicus: "Y-you saved me... why?" Horn Turtle: "Mmm... Monke"
Very interesting and fun video. I liked how you used all great apes and gave then their own individual scores for each category. I also loved the spec evo apes with my favourite being the Wolf Chimp. I can see these these chimps attempt to prey on young sauropods up to a certain size, tho that might get them in competition/trouble with carcharodontosaurus, however that is IF they attempt it. Overall tho 10/10 video
I really liked your take on the evolved oranguntans, they wwould basically become the apes from POA lol. It was a great ideia to examime all of the species, their relationships with each other sounds so interesting
We've seen multiple "Could X survive the Mesozoic?" videos, and at least one "Could X survive the Cenozoic?" (gorgonopsids), but I want to see a "Could X survive the Paleozoic?". Like...imagine camels in the Permian, or ants in the Carboniferous, or crocodiles in the Devonian.
I don’t think any of them really could survive realistically other than chimpanzees if there are a lot of them. I feel like they probably get smaller and no claws either because claws make it hard for primates to climb and groom each other, that’s why we have nails. They become almost entirely arboreal to survive because the arboreal niche seemed relative open other than small bird like theropods and squirrel like mammals. Also would be fun to watch a pterosaurs try to eat a chimp only for the entire troop to surround it and rip open its jaws.
I love all the spec evo stuff you do honestly it is so cool and I absolutely adore how you also bring in scifi or fictional elements like halo and avatar. If it’s not already on your checklist, you should totally do something star wars oriented. It would be so cool to see how something like velociraptor or tarbosaurus would survive on a planet like tatooine or how mammoths could survive on something like hoth? Just a thought
This video is amazing man, kinda thought it’d be Caesar’s apes but this is cool too Some suggestions for future videos though if that’s ok * Ceratosaurus in the Holocene * Xenomorphs in Pandora * Smilodon in the Permian (to be a mirror to the Gorgon video) * Elk in the Mesozoic * Megalodon in the Cretaceous Period * Terror Birds in the Mesozoic * Utahraptor in the Ice Age
@@randallbesch2424 yeah I know Im just saying unless you give xenomorphs a lame nerf like not being able to to use the ability to utilize an animal's traits the Mesozoic gets Clapped Neg Diff can't really see them beating an alien like xenomorphs.
This would probably be a bigger video, but idea sounds interesting A hypothetical earth where every species gets a habitat and breeding population. Which ones would rise, which would go extinct in a blink of an eye, how they might evolve. Guess humans would be too op through
there was an ape that lived 100,000 years ago named Gigantopithecus and apparently can lift a carnotaurus would have been an even cooler video if you added it
Also keep in mind that hybridisation between apes is nothing new. We humans are hybrids too. The Europeans are a hybrid between Neanderthals and homo sapiens and a lot of the Asians are a hybid between Neanderthals, the Asian homo species and homo sapiens. And who knows what happened when we were deiverging from other ape species a few million years ago.
Loved this video, one of the best yet! Only thing I’ll note is you could’ve but this in the Elrhaz Formation, which is theorized to be similar to the Congo in it’s environment, so the hypothetical jungle wouldn’t be needed, that it’d be neat to see how they’d fair against sarchosuchus, suchomimus, and eocarcharia! This is just one way to do it though, and again, amazing video!
One thing when you’re naming your spec evo species: The genus and therefor the generic name (the first one) should be kept while the species and therefor the specific name (the second one) should be changed. For example: From „Gorilla gorilla“ should evolve „Gorilla kudokubwa“ not to „Kudokubwa gorilla“ wich doesn’t mean „glorious/big gorilla“ but „gorilla-like giant“. That would indicate that a nonexistent genus of giants named Kudokubwa would have speciated to a species that resembles gorillas, not that a new larger species has speciated from the genus Gorilla.
Of course when they are so far removed from the original species that you’d give it a new genus name they’d technically still be Gorillas, but Gorilla would have leveled up from genus to subfamily. But it still would be weird to give them a species name that is not only identical to their subfamily name, but also identical to the genus and species name of another species from their subfamily.
What if the gorillas hunted sauropods and hear me out What if they hunted in packs where one gorilla would be in a tall tree and the rest would scare them next to the tree and then the gorilla would jump onto the neck and cave their skull in
@@zombiedalekweck2243apes are entirely incapable of using sign as a language, at least human sign. They simply are not advanced enough to comprehend complex language of any sort
@@TwocanToucan On top of doing practically no recordkeeping (making her studies impossible to replicate) and forcing multiple female employees to show the gorilla their nipples because she claimed it's what Koko asked for, there is a considerable amount of evidence that she basically made everything up. It's highly likely that Koko simply learned that doing this hand symbol or that hand symbol earned her praise, or caused the trainers to give her food. That's about it. There is pretty much no evidence she had a meaningful grasp of language as her owner claims.
I have a few video ideas: 1. Can goldfish (Carassius Auratus) survive in the late Jurassic Oceans? 2. Can large dromeosauroids (Utahraptor, Austroraptor, Dakotaraptor, ect.) survive in the present day? 3. Can the Night Fury (How To Train Your Dragon) survive in the world of Jurassic Park?
I feel like the presence of cliffs and such was not really put into perspective here. Cliffs could certainly be a great environment for apes, depending on what they looked like. Even gorillas can climb trees, so colonies could be created there, effectively protecting juveniles from external threat.
In fairness, we also had evolved to be nomadic persistence predators and we are a lot more aggressive than orangutans. They'd have a different set of evolutionary pressures to contend with. We also independently discovered farming multiple times, so it'd be safe to say that farming, and thus permanent settlements, are not exactly that advanced.
There is one evolutionary pressure that is not implied that could very well lead to more advanced intelligence: rapidly changing environmental conditions. It's what may well have driven our evolution; it may have made birds smarter. The existence of an advanced orangutan society in the trees implies more static environmental conditions.
Well the orangutans in question were put into a COMPLETELY different environment from what they're familiar with. This is known to greatly increase rates of evolution because it puts a large selective pressure on the animal. That said, it would make more sense for an already highly social ape to become like that. As far as I know orangutans are the least social ape today.
Considering the differences between humans now and humans 2-5 thousand years ago, your spec-evo for these apes seem to have spent 3-7 thousand years in this period, and is a very good illustration that evolution is the slowest of transitions rather than randomly sprouting new traits every few hundred years. Those numbers make sense to me at least; they're a very good "first step" away from what we know them to be.
@@wingedhussar1453 Tigers don't need to climb cause they're the baddest mf in their environment, having to compete with Dinosaurs would change their behavior.
In my opinion, the carnivorous order, whether felines, canids, mustelids, etc., would do very well during the Cenozoic, especially in the Triassic and Jurassic, where there were not yet as many giants as in the Cretaceous, they would do tremendous damage, dominating niches of small animals. Rodents would also do very well, Cetaceans could also do well.
How about the early Jurassic period? Would they prevent the Theropods, Pterosaurs, and Marine Reptiles from reaching giant size? Imagine real life Clifford? 😂
@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 The three groups you mentioned were already well consolidated at the beginning of the Jurassic, but they would certainly suffer competence, it's cool to think of a real Clifford but unfortunately it would be impossible haha Predatory mammals, as they are built, cannot become so huge
Personally, I think Orangutans would be more likely to become smaller and more insectivorous (also eating other small arboreal creatures) to compensate for low fruit availability.
@@thedarknight307 that was an old movie were king Kong was literally flown in on balloons dude. The new fight where Godzilla wins is much more realistic. Godzilla wins against Kong end of discussion,
Fun thing is. the optimal overall score is actually 4-6 for an invasive species, meaning it doesn't disrupt the eco system and integrates well. A 7+ could easily throw an eco system out of balance, like discussed with the orca one.
I feel like the Gorillas would evolve to become much larger due to the need to protect the troop from larger carnivores. Meanwhile the chimps would get smaller and faster, due to their survival being linked to escape. So we may end up with a twenty five foot Gorilla after all
I actually loved the last part of the video, of giving them a feel supported, that the modern apes would or would not could survive and adapt in their new environment. But what if they adapted and evolved, and increased their strength, size, and speed. And practically more intelligent of the apes, I could see that apes would build a society and coexist with the dinosaurs. And that the evolved apes of the Mesozoic would totally could survive and even worked together. As for the evolved Gorillas, they would have a great chance to fought off bigger carnivorous dinosaurs, and being great guardians. And evolved Chimpanzees would become a dangerous hunters in pack like wolves but more like caveman hunting tatic of using weapons. And the evolved Orangutans used their intelligence of making a better society of knowing of planting the seeds of making more food and resources.
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plss add gigantopheticus the buggest ape
Question what was the name if the fruits you mentioned in the videos
Apes are not three times stronger than a human, per muscle mass they are 1/3 times stronger which is still quite a bit but not in the science fiction realm of 3 to 8 times stronger this myth keeps spreading.
*NO*
Ok I left a like and I subscribed but I refuse to leave a comment and you can 't make me ..... wait?!?!
So in the end we got:
- Black and Bearded King Kong.
- Extinct Bonobos.
- Nocturnal Lycanthrope Chimpanzees.
- Tribal Oragutans.
Without humans orangutans no longer have a reason to hide their intellect because they don't have to pay rent
King Kong is a bioengineered animal with hollow bones, air sacs and soft cartilaginous joints like dinosaurs and birds.
@@randallbesch2424 Ok...
@@randallbesch2424 not really,but feel free to cope in denial.
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Random dinosaur hearing
🗣️"What a wonderful day"
Best comment lmfao
That long neck...are there more of those in there?
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY🗣🗣🗣‼️‼️‼️
Spinosaur tossing ape around:
LIFE COULD BE A DREAM@@WalkingBruhMoment
Are army thankful for the evolution of madly?
I love how the Gorillas literally just became King Kong
That's what I was thinking 😂😂😂
It's mthe most logical way to survive.
@@rayhanmustakim7073 Will this planet ever have an Era like the Mesozoic when bigger is better?
@@rayhanmustakim7073 more likely they would either die in small groups or band together under pressure creating a social structure more similar to chimpanzees in order to survive
The way you ended off with the fact that these apes have 25 to 30 million years to evolve makes me think we could see highly advanced apes reflect or prevent the asteorid impact, thus saving the dinosaurs-
I actually had this in the script but i cut it cause the video was gonna be like 45 minutes long before i chopped off the excess
@@MadlyMesozoic I'd kill for an extended cut or smth
@@MadlyMesozoicI need to see it
@@MadlyMesozoic
Will we get a future video focusing on the future of these evolved apes?
@@MadlyMesozoic make 45 minute video please
How Gorillas and Chimps adapt to mesozoic life: Get bigger
How orangutans adapt: *S A P I E N C E*
I mean, it would help in most time periods for sure, right?
@@komiks42 wrong there is a reason why mammals during the age of dinosaurs got no larger than otters.
@@randallbesch2424 that was just due to every niche being filled well; apes being time-warped as-is to back then would suddenly have to force themselves or their niche to work
Well, Orangutans are supposedly the smartest Great Ape out of the two respective species. 😅
Makes sense in this scenario I could see all three species adapting to the world and eventually becoming the dominant species like we did. I could even see them surviving tto present day. That said the odds threw develop into humans are low but more human like probable.
Imagine being a random dino foraging in the jungle and then hearing the trees speaking : "ape together strong"
Imagine being a dinosaur, just going about your business, and then hearing “He’s the leader of the bunch, you know him well-“
I can't belive that Bonobos won with Chimpanzees and started building Walmarts
You know I did not believe you at the start but then it happened
Spoilers! Gosh
Can’t wait for the now monccees (buccees)
Rats I wanna see what happens to rats in the mesozoic
@@ronniehopper2726
I mean there were already pretty ratlike mammals later on in the Mesozoic.
Raptors face when 30 gorillas jump them from nowhere
Probably the opposite depending on where in the world they get dropped let's assume a rainforest which is their modern-day habitat the raptors would be more arboreal ambush hunters there like jaguars and while gorillas can fight off a jaguar it needs to be a fully grown adult to do so and raptors are also speculated to be fully capable of hunting at night so I don't see them having a fun time and if they are in deciduous forest then no they are just dying the raptors there were larger then wolves and hunted in packs
@@mickeypines2557raptors are the size of a turkey
@@mickeypines2557are u talkin bout a utahraptor?
Gorillas are herbivores they definilety would avoid a utahraptor.
@Imadreamergang No, I was talking about American dromaeosaurs they were typically the size of a large wolf to the size of a bear they hunted in deciduous forests and were pack hunters that hunted hadrosaurs
Other apes : Get stronger, bigger
Orangutans : F E U D A L I S M
Basically:
Bigger Gorilla.
Banoboo-Chimp Wolf.
Smarty pants Orangutan.
Bigger gorilla... Aka..... Bigfoot 😂
@@john-venters-outdoor-services no, because in order to be "bigfoot", they'd have to be bipedal., which they are not.
From orangutan to just orang
@@Reallyimnotjoking they just striaght up human
Modern crustaceans in the cambrian explosion.
Ngl they probably they mop the floor with most stuff in the cam
Many crustaceans are detritovores. It's harder to pick an era they COULDN'T survive in.
@@panzermasterwalker4393 That's the fun of it. Also, to see the difference between early generalists and modern-day specialists. The spec evo would also go crazy.
Everything becomes crab
Money! Money! Money! *cursed screaming as theyre mobbed by anomalocaris*
I really like the idea of the gorilla knocking down trees to make to make barriers between them and the larger Theropod but it also reminds me of how Beavers do a similar thing but with the gorilla increase size, they could make much larger nests
@@ExtremeMadnessXthey don’t have to survive a rex or tyranosaurids for the most part.
@@ExtremeMadnessXwhat's pathetic is a T-Rex navigating a dense forest lmao
@@ExtremeMadnessX 5 seconds later gets a tree dropped on it's head
@@ExtremeMadnessX big
@@ExtremeMadnessX tree gap small
I like how you made the orangutan to be "me not eat till food grow"
I'm getting some "Genghis Khan" and "The Scar King" vibes with the Ruropithecus dendrus species with their social hierarchy.
Genghis Kong
@@helixsol7171good one
Genghis skar
20:04 the thought of a 7ft Chimp who's more aggressive than the ones we know is something I didn't know I could fear, but I do now.
The orangutan casually driving better than many humans
These are easily my favorite hypothetical evolutions thats you have done.
Nah River Elephant solos
@@greenturret6772 YEAAAH BUDEEEE
Ideas for future ideas:
Could Andrewsarchus survive in the Permian?
Could Terror Birds survive in the Mesozoic?
Could Utahraptor survive in the Cenozoic?
Could Megalania survive in the Mesozoic?
Could Dimetrodon survive in the Cenozoic?
Could Homo erectus survive in the Permian?
@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 I don't
Got another one: Could any eusocial insect survive in the carboniferous.
Not a whole lot of difference between a terror bird and an equivalent sized dromaeosaur. Their trackways even indicate they had raptor claws.
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 My money's on termites.
@@Devin_Stromgren termites, wasps or maybe carpenter ants.
Honestly I half expected you to say Chimpanzees could drive local Sauropods to extinction since they'd cave in their weak skulls if they started chewing on the trees.
Nah the moment that starts happening, the sauropods will start stomping chimps and may develop behaviours like stomping down trees to reduce chimp habitats and drive them away. Plus I wouldn’t be suprised if the carnivores that hunt the sauropods would start hunting chimps that hunt sauropods
Idk that would probably happen alot since chimps are really good at swarming things bigger than them, so the idea of caving in a saurapods skull isn't foreign. But those skull are NOT fragile.
@@ExtremeMadnessX that is a movie. They are not realistic in their depictions. From what I could tell is that most Saurapods are smart enough to avoid unnecessary conflict with rabid chimps cuz they're annoying and also probably do pose a threat. Chimps are no joke.
@@Gabberbam they are also large. a sauropods head is like the same size or larger than a chimp... they just look small because the sauropods body is so massive
Love it when there's a picture of upper Cretaceous Africa and Spinosaurus is standing in the background all like 👉👈 "Mom said its my turn on the XBox..."
If we want to get all judo-like, theropods have some pretty blaring combat weaknesses. Giving an example in modern ostrich farming, pulling their neck down prevents them from kicking. Anatomically, most theropods seem like they'll have a similar weakness. If an ape can figure that out, they'll have a good defense strategy. Then other apes can hold the legs, and the dino would be incapacitated.
Gorillas would be best suited for this, but they can also get by just standing up and intimidating most other dinosaurs. Again with the ostrich example, you can hold up a pool noodle high and they'll think you're a bigger, scarier ostrich.
Also, don't count out gorillas climbing trees. They're still quite good at it, but prefer not to. Faced with giant monsters, that preference may change.
And why put all the apes just in one location? You could have bonobos in the European archipelago (where they're safe from pretty much everything except azhdarchids), chimps elsewhere, etc. India and Antarctica would also be good places.
Most theropod=/= ostriches just saying
@@Distix-uz8qr You coulda fooled me, there goes my thesis.
Ostriches are paleognaths, which preserve many non-avian traits. Their brain-to-body mass ratio is about the same as most dromaeosaurs, if not even slightly better. The only Cretaceous predators with mammal-like intelligence were the troodontids (e.g. _Stenonychosaurus sp._ ) and kin, not really a threat to apes. Even modern hawks and owls can be described by the most adept falconers as "not really all that bright", making a lot of mental shortcuts. So, non-avian theropods could probably be fooled by vertical height intimidation.
Anatomically, the neck idea still stands. In order for a dromaeosaur to put its legs into slashing position, the torso has to be angled upwards in order for a hind leg to kick forward. If the neck is pinned down, it can't really do that. Having very strong legs, it would require some strength and weight which apes have in spades. Additionally, ostriches with their heads stuck have accidentally ripped their own heads off trying to get loose. I can see even a big _Utahraptor_ pinned down by gorillas snapping its own neck trying to get free.
Don’t forget also humans can literally lockdown a crocodile or alligator even though the large weight difference. Grappling hands are very good at preventing bites.
@@jedihunter176 again the dromeasaur body plan is allot different to an ostrich and for the most part apes like gorillas are known to be predated on by the significantly smaller leopard and no a utah raptor would not snap its neck trying to escape
I doubt most theropods relied on kicking to kill their prey. Besides, if a 30 kilogram cat can prey on these monkeys and render them useless, a 600+ kg theropod would surely do the job just fine.
I find it funny that Gorillas thanks to their years of evolution just basically become something similar to King Kong from the 2005 movie
Who I think the book confirmed were often in feuds with the native Vastatosaurus Rex. So the idea of a race of apes growing larger to compete with saurians isn't a completely foreign idea.
A lot of this series is whether herbivores and omnivores would be able to find food and avoid predation. Makes me curious to see a large land predator such as wolves or a big cat. Lions would almost certainly die off when faced with strong competition, but a more stealthy ambush predator like a jaguar or tiger would probably fare better, and it'd be interesting to consider the impact of pack tactics of canines.
You should watch my T rex on the Ark video
The orangutan commentor gag got me good lmao
My Suggestions:
- Could Parasaurolophus survive Earth in "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes"
- Could Pikachu and/or Eevee survive the Mesozoic?
- Could JP/JW Velociraptors survive the Jurassic?
- Could Scutosaurus survive the Pleistocene?
- Could Iguanodon survive the Pokémon World?
Parasaurs would probably be used as giant horses for the apes
@@TwocanToucan Most likely yes.
My point was more liike "Could they survive in that world?"
I think I broadly agree on the spec-evo bit. Even the more visibly out-there evolution of horticulturalist orangutans. I'm not sure they'd pick up a defined caste system though, given that they're starting from a more solitary approach. I can see them figuring out intentional seed dispersal within a few generations, but I think their more significant development will be forest-clearing methods. They'll have a strong pressure to figure out how to clear out non-edible plants such as conifers, and I'd bet they'll figure out how to apply fire for that purpose relatively quickly. And from there we'll see something not too dissimilar to your idea develop.
But I think you're really underusing the existing tendency of panids to use relatively complex tools. I do think that a hybridization of chimpanzees and bonobos is the most likely result of them being forced together like this. But chimpanzee populations have already been observed using organized warfare-like behavior and manufacturing (hunting) weapons. And I think chimpanzee organized aggression (both hunting monkeys and fighting each other) and bonobo social cohesion will both be very strongly selected for with the predators and competitors they have to deal with. So I see them ending up as extremely tight-knit troops of generalist omnivores that use complex hunting weapons and pack tactics to bring down larger game and defend against predators. Not too dissimilar to your Night-Wolf chimpanzees, but probably closer to a niche convergence with hominids than the descendants of the orangutans.
I pretty much agree on gorillas. Again, we'll see their existing social structure and intelligence being their biggest survival advantages in the beginning. I'd expect bigger troops with more males to be selected for very early on, and maybe more shared-dominance situations with multiple large silverbacks. Group intimidation is going to be their best defense against the mid-sized therapods, especially using their ability to make a lot of noise and make intimidating displays, and thankfully for the gorillas that's mostly a behavioral adaptation so can be made more quickly than physical adaptations. But size and out-group aggression will still be major fitness advantages and be selected for over time. One thing I could see happening pretty quickly is for their nesting sites to be selected for defensibility, and with great ape intelligence I could see them starting to actively improve the defensibility of their nest sites within a few generations, making fortified camps of a sort.
Lol love that the Gorillas just becomes King Kong 😂
And also a very sick design with the sagittal crest and the mane
This was the best Accessing Survival video I've seen sor far on this channel. New music & spec evo fan arts are the highlights. Thank you, Chunky Kong & Green Turret.
I happy to see orangutans ended doing well in this.
Vidoes request: Would the ScorchBeasts from Fallout 76 survive the Jurassic?
Would the Murloc from World of Warcraft survive the Paleogene Period?
Caesar would def somehow ally with raptors and domesticate them.
Too bad the apes are real life instead of the modern Planet of the Apes franchise.
That could be fire, that apes domesticate Theropods for hunt
I can also imagine them domesticating hadrosaurs and using them as horses and domesticating pterosaurs and using them as scouts
Caesar isnt real though
On the topic of domestication, there's a decent chance that the ORANGutans will domesticate the roided gorilla
Couple episode ideas
Could baleen whales survive in the Mesozoic?
Could birds of prey survive in the Mesozoic
Could big cats survive in the Mesozoic
Could wolves survive in the Mesozoic
Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes
@@Train_lizardwolves and big cats would get wiped first year😭
I’d like to add something
Could Megalania survive the Permian
Could the Cenomorph survive Pandora
All of them would do remarkably well on the mesozoic
B I R D S
Intelligence is vastly underrated in match ups. So is the aggression of chimpanzees. A band of charging chimps with pointed sticks in a shock V formation was a thing to be feared.
I love how you basically created king kong
This is interesting cause where they get dropped off affects so much of this speculative video they could just die if dropped off in the wrong spot
Yeahhhhh, that's something that I really dislike about MMs spec-evo/hypothetical matchup vids - he is way to lenient on the animals that are being airdropped into foreign environments. My biggest gripe was with the elephant one, cos imo they wouldn't stand a chance in either cretaceous North America, nor North Africa, but he still put them in an environment that would have been better suited to them, rather than in their real world habitat, just in the cretaceous.
@@quempire2656 all I'm saying is that he usually makes it too easy for the featured animals, and even when he bashes their capability in one category, he still gives above average scores (6-8)
For example, if you drop them in the middle of the ocean they wouldn't stand a chance.
@@tristanemery8748 Doesn't make any sense for the animals to have evolved in an area where they would die immediately no?
@@tompatompsson Yeah it takes all the fun out of it.
I LOVE this channel and it’s so awesome to see the quality of your videos increase over time :)
An equally scary potential for chimps would be if having to deal with larger creatures and needing protein spurred on a rapid development in tool and weapon use, getting better at throwing while not getting too much bigger, taking out large prey by ambushing them from the trees with thrown spears and rocks, perhaps even rudimentary bows and slings, before finishing them off by dropping on them, spear in hand.
Either that or they get very good at farming insects like termites which were apparently around during the late Jurassic, maybe the orangs would favor that.
Spinosaurus after hearing "NOOOO!": 🙀
I was so sad thwt orangutans werent doing well in the scoring(there my fav great ape) but them become essentially early humans made me so happy
Im really in love with the idea of the Wolf Chimp, thats such a simple yet cool spec evo species idea. Theyre like hairy little tree goblins if chimps weren’t already tree goblins themselves
The kudokubwa is definitely my favorite of any spec evo you've done so far. It has a bunch of cool traits and aren't as far-fetched as some other spec evos you've presented
You're talking about the horny turtle, right?
I'd love to see an episode on whether or not large panthers could survive the Mesozoic
One of my favorite videos of yours mad respect I Loved the evolutions this video 😊
Love these videos, man keep them coming 🔥
Appreciate the geological formations you select for the videos. Love Hell Creek and The Morrison but I also understand that we don’t need to see every animal in existence try to survive in one of those two specific environments
I need, I say, I NEED a part 2.
9:25 This is the textbook definition of "[F] around and find out"
[A mysterious Horn Turtle Deathclaw shoots up out of a lake and kills a dinosaur that was about to eat a Ruropithicus]
Ruropithicus: "Y-you saved me... why?"
Horn Turtle: "Mmm... Monke"
Very interesting and fun video. I liked how you used all great apes and gave then their own individual scores for each category. I also loved the spec evo apes with my favourite being the Wolf Chimp. I can see these these chimps attempt to prey on young sauropods up to a certain size, tho that might get them in competition/trouble with carcharodontosaurus, however that is IF they attempt it.
Overall tho 10/10 video
This is definitely the best movie on the channel! Please make a part 2 of it, with taming dinosaurs!
Someone else has already said this, but any or even multiple of the birds of prey in the Mesozoic would be an interesting idea.
I really liked your take on the evolved oranguntans, they wwould basically become the apes from POA lol. It was a great ideia to examime all of the species, their relationships with each other sounds so interesting
Idea: Megatheropods in Cenozoic North America 2 with The Vividen.
I would love to see how Megatheropods would interact with early humans.
23:55 great depiction of orangutan flipping off there 😆
We've seen multiple "Could X survive the Mesozoic?" videos, and at least one "Could X survive the Cenozoic?" (gorgonopsids), but I want to see a "Could X survive the Paleozoic?".
Like...imagine camels in the Permian, or ants in the Carboniferous, or crocodiles in the Devonian.
Wouldn’t the crocodiles just instantly suffocate because of the lack of oxygen in the Devonian?
@@beng4ll967 Crocodilians have adaptations for low oxygen thanks to their low metabolic rates.
I feel like camels in the Permian would do so well
I don’t think any of them really could survive realistically other than chimpanzees if there are a lot of them. I feel like they probably get smaller and no claws either because claws make it hard for primates to climb and groom each other, that’s why we have nails. They become almost entirely arboreal to survive because the arboreal niche seemed relative open other than small bird like theropods and squirrel like mammals. Also would be fun to watch a pterosaurs try to eat a chimp only for the entire troop to surround it and rip open its jaws.
My man remade gigantopithicus
I’ll forever be amazed by your content.
Request : Could Humans survive the Mesozoic
*N o*
Why it could be interesting seing how neardhentals us and all the rest of our ancestors would do@@MadlyMesozoic
@@MadlyMesozoic heres a more unique idea: could early hominids (ex: Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus) survive the Permian?
@@MadlyMesozoic what about Neanderthals?
@@MadlyMesozoic *H U M A N*
I love all the spec evo stuff you do honestly it is so cool and I absolutely adore how you also bring in scifi or fictional elements like halo and avatar. If it’s not already on your checklist, you should totally do something star wars oriented. It would be so cool to see how something like velociraptor or tarbosaurus would survive on a planet like tatooine or how mammoths could survive on something like hoth? Just a thought
This video is amazing man, kinda thought it’d be Caesar’s apes but this is cool too
Some suggestions for future videos though if that’s ok
* Ceratosaurus in the Holocene
* Xenomorphs in Pandora
* Smilodon in the Permian (to be a mirror to the Gorgon video)
* Elk in the Mesozoic
* Megalodon in the Cretaceous Period
* Terror Birds in the Mesozoic
* Utahraptor in the Ice Age
@@quempire2656 yeah unless xenomorphs are stuck as human forms and can't make dino xenomorphs. Even then the xenomorphs clap the Mesozoic hard.
@@NickWilliams-yz7rt they were designed to use animals as hosts.
@@randallbesch2424 yeah I know Im just saying unless you give xenomorphs a lame nerf like not being able to to use the ability to utilize an animal's traits the Mesozoic gets Clapped Neg Diff can't really see them beating an alien like xenomorphs.
This would probably be a bigger video, but idea sounds interesting
A hypothetical earth where every species gets a habitat and breeding population. Which ones would rise, which would go extinct in a blink of an eye, how they might evolve. Guess humans would be too op through
there was an ape that lived 100,000 years ago named Gigantopithecus and apparently can lift a carnotaurus would have been an even cooler video if you added it
A giant orangutan.
@@randallbesch2424a ginormous orangutan 🦧
Also keep in mind that hybridisation between apes is nothing new.
We humans are hybrids too.
The Europeans are a hybrid between Neanderthals and homo sapiens and a lot of the Asians are a hybid between Neanderthals, the Asian homo species and homo sapiens.
And who knows what happened when we were deiverging from other ape species a few million years ago.
@@etuanno don't forget the Denisovans. And those are the ones we know of.
Loved this video, one of the best yet!
Only thing I’ll note is you could’ve but this in the Elrhaz Formation, which is theorized to be similar to the Congo in it’s environment, so the hypothetical jungle wouldn’t be needed, that it’d be neat to see how they’d fair against sarchosuchus, suchomimus, and eocarcharia! This is just one way to do it though, and again, amazing video!
One thing when you’re naming your spec evo species:
The genus and therefor the generic name (the first one) should be kept while the species and therefor the specific name (the second one) should be changed.
For example: From „Gorilla gorilla“ should evolve „Gorilla kudokubwa“ not to „Kudokubwa gorilla“ wich doesn’t mean „glorious/big gorilla“ but „gorilla-like giant“.
That would indicate that a nonexistent genus of giants named Kudokubwa would have speciated to a species that resembles gorillas, not that a new larger species has speciated from the genus Gorilla.
Of course when they are so far removed from the original species that you’d give it a new genus name they’d technically still be Gorillas, but Gorilla would have leveled up from genus to subfamily. But it still would be weird to give them a species name that is not only identical to their subfamily name, but also identical to the genus and species name of another species from their subfamily.
nah
Like the intro, you're going to do well. Cheers!
I 💕 love your speculative evolution for the apes especially on the orangutans ❤
What if the gorillas hunted sauropods and hear me out
What if they hunted in packs where one gorilla would be in a tall tree and the rest would scare them next to the tree and then the gorilla would jump onto the neck and cave their skull in
Bro that ruropithecus commiting to his 9 to 5. Job is more sucsesfull than me😂
I'd love to see Dragons from Skyrim fair either in the real world or in the ice age due to Skyrim being a colder environment
This gives me inspiration for my own project
My subscribers: can you please do you human in the Mesozoic
madly: nooooo!
This is my favorite of your videos. I’ve been working on a fantasy novel where apes have evolved into tribes
Could the Yautja (Predator) bring down some of the most dangerous real life Cryptids?
“Real life” lol
@@triden1172 There are not many Cryptids in fiction mostly just Werewolves, Vampires and Wendigos
Alteori basically dud this already
Wow such a high value Video you deserve more views
You should note that Chimpanzees seem to completely avoid eating monitor lizards, despite the reptile being of suitable prey size!
Really love this series. Hope your channel will blow up soon
Gorillas' ability to use and comprehend sign language has been drastically overestimated as a result of Koko, and her owner's dubious practices.
You are correct
I think he more means simple communication like...
Have food for break log.
Or
Protect for food.
Simple stuff like that
@@zombiedalekweck2243apes are entirely incapable of using sign as a language, at least human sign. They simply are not advanced enough to comprehend complex language of any sort
Dubious practices?
@@TwocanToucan On top of doing practically no recordkeeping (making her studies impossible to replicate) and forcing multiple female employees to show the gorilla their nipples because she claimed it's what Koko asked for, there is a considerable amount of evidence that she basically made everything up. It's highly likely that Koko simply learned that doing this hand symbol or that hand symbol earned her praise, or caused the trainers to give her food. That's about it. There is pretty much no evidence she had a meaningful grasp of language as her owner claims.
I have a few video ideas:
1. Can goldfish (Carassius Auratus) survive in the late Jurassic Oceans?
2. Can large dromeosauroids (Utahraptor, Austroraptor, Dakotaraptor, ect.) survive in the present day?
3. Can the Night Fury (How To Train Your Dragon) survive in the world of Jurassic Park?
1) Instant extinction because goldfish are freshwater, and cannot survive in saltwater.
3.toothless would obliterate the JP dinosaurs
@@COVID-19_Crab I wonder if they can ever be able to evolve into transitioning to the ocean?
Good vid bro
I feel like the presence of cliffs and such was not really put into perspective here. Cliffs could certainly be a great environment for apes, depending on what they looked like. Even gorillas can climb trees, so colonies could be created there, effectively protecting juveniles from external threat.
Are we taking about real world apes or the apes from the plant of the apes movies.
Both would so goated
Regular I think
Watch the video
@@MadlyMesozoic not up yet
regular
Great video
That social structure for the orangutans described is TOO advanced: it took humans a long, long, long time to develop them.
And they have millions of years to develop this, we weren't given a timeframe
In fairness, we also had evolved to be nomadic persistence predators and we are a lot more aggressive than orangutans. They'd have a different set of evolutionary pressures to contend with. We also independently discovered farming multiple times, so it'd be safe to say that farming, and thus permanent settlements, are not exactly that advanced.
There is one evolutionary pressure that is not implied that could very well lead to more advanced intelligence: rapidly changing environmental conditions. It's what may well have driven our evolution; it may have made birds smarter. The existence of an advanced orangutan society in the trees implies more static environmental conditions.
Well the orangutans in question were put into a COMPLETELY different environment from what they're familiar with. This is known to greatly increase rates of evolution because it puts a large selective pressure on the animal. That said, it would make more sense for an already highly social ape to become like that. As far as I know orangutans are the least social ape today.
Considering the differences between humans now and humans 2-5 thousand years ago, your spec-evo for these apes seem to have spent 3-7 thousand years in this period, and is a very good illustration that evolution is the slowest of transitions rather than randomly sprouting new traits every few hundred years. Those numbers make sense to me at least; they're a very good "first step" away from what we know them to be.
Ruropithecus: "Who needs ALZ113?"
Me
Some of the best SpecE yet 💯
Tigers would be interesting to be put in the Cretaceous era.
Tigers would not survive. Leapords would .u need cover in trees Tigers don't go to trees like leapords
@@wingedhussar1453 Tigers don't need to climb cause they're the baddest mf in their environment, having to compete with Dinosaurs would change their behavior.
@@wingedhussar1453 How about the Triassic?
In my opinion, the carnivorous order, whether felines, canids, mustelids, etc., would do very well during the Cenozoic, especially in the Triassic and Jurassic, where there were not yet as many giants as in the Cretaceous, they would do tremendous damage, dominating niches of small animals. Rodents would also do very well, Cetaceans could also do well.
How about the early Jurassic period? Would they prevent the Theropods, Pterosaurs, and Marine Reptiles from reaching giant size? Imagine real life Clifford? 😂
@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 The three groups you mentioned were already well consolidated at the beginning of the Jurassic, but they would certainly suffer competence, it's cool to think of a real Clifford but unfortunately it would be impossible haha
Predatory mammals, as they are built, cannot become so huge
3:46 If that red thing the ape is holding is a pepper then that’s technically a fruit not a vegetable sense Peppers have seeds inside of them.
Pretty sure it's a pepper and a carrot.
it was genetically altered to have no seeds. some company wants to sell you sterile ones each year. they grow them in Petrie dishes
Already know this is gonna be a banga
What if avatar creatures was in dinosaurs times
Personally, I think Orangutans would be more likely to become smaller and more insectivorous (also eating other small arboreal creatures) to compensate for low fruit availability.
they would just become people and become interstellar species if they survive
I imagine the apes domesticating some hadrosaurs and use them like horses
King Kong beating Godzilla
Apes beating dinosaurs
The power of monke over big lizard is eternal
kong doesnt beat godzilla.
@@Hyper-active-studios
He did in the original movie :)
@@thedarknight307 doesn't matter.
@@Hyper-active-studios lol moving the goal post…
He did. Original Toho film, Kong won
@@thedarknight307 that was an old movie were king Kong was literally flown in on balloons dude. The new fight where Godzilla wins is much more realistic. Godzilla wins against Kong end of discussion,
Nice vid! You should make one with putting the Godzillasaurus from Godzilla minus one into the mesozoic.
Video idea could house of the dragon dragons survive the world of pandora in avatar or could teror birds survive the Jurassic
Fun thing is. the optimal overall score is actually 4-6 for an invasive species, meaning it doesn't disrupt the eco system and integrates well. A 7+ could easily throw an eco system out of balance, like discussed with the orca one.
I feel like the Gorillas would evolve to become much larger due to the need to protect the troop from larger carnivores.
Meanwhile the chimps would get smaller and faster, due to their survival being linked to escape.
So we may end up with a twenty five foot Gorilla after all
25 foot tall gorilla is exaggerated
Impossible size.
@@wpower7435 Nuh
@@randallbesch2424 Exactly. Apes aren't Giraffes and Elephants.
Interesting how we got two species of panine but presumably only one species of orangutan and gorilla transported back
I actually loved the last part of the video, of giving them a feel supported, that the modern apes would or would not could survive and adapt in their new environment. But what if they adapted and evolved, and increased their strength, size, and speed. And practically more intelligent of the apes, I could see that apes would build a society and coexist with the dinosaurs.
And that the evolved apes of the Mesozoic would totally could survive and even worked together. As for the evolved Gorillas, they would have a great chance to fought off bigger carnivorous dinosaurs, and being great guardians. And evolved Chimpanzees would become a dangerous hunters in pack like wolves but more like caveman hunting tatic of using weapons. And the evolved Orangutans used their intelligence of making a better society of knowing of planting the seeds of making more food and resources.