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My problem is kizaru is actually just stronger , the fact that kizaru can spam his devil fruit ability while minato will eventually have to worry about chakara , the fact that kizaru is reacting to gear 5 luffy and even morphing his body around someone who’s probably faster than him , the fact that he’s clashing with gear 5 luffy , this shows he kicks and punches way harder than minato , if minato even tried to clash with luffy his hand would shatter , the man made clones that couldn’t be touched even with haki and even if minato keeps running away kizaru can probably just Nike the whole battlefield
Yeah. If you’re working under the assumption that Kizaru is just straight up more powerful. This is pretty much true. But with the evidence I showed in the video? I couldn’t find any arguments for either that placed them above Mutli-Continental to Planet Level. And while Kizaru would probably do more damage in straight hands with Ryou. It wouldn’t be enough to just neg Minato. Especially with the Kurama avatar. At least IMO. My current judge of Luffy Vs Kizaru. Is that Luffy > Kaido > Kizaru. Since Kaido said Joyboy could defeat him, and was the only one that could. As well as Kaido claiming he was the strongest in the verse. So while clashing with Gear 5 is a great feat. I don’t necessarily think he’s above it. Especially with ACoC coated attacks, while Kizaru himself hasn’t been shown to have (yet.)
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I definitely a agree that minato can put out the same amount of damage my real point is that kizaru can put out that amount of damage easier and more consistently but fuck all dat ur channel is great man you gotta keep pushing out videos like this
@TUCKALMIGHTY Is your entire video is just the biggest asumption. You have no facts of what character is stronger than the other because no one will ever know.
Finally got to watch this, and tbh this might be your best one yet! Minato vs Kizaru is a really interesting debate to me because these characters are so similar in monickers and general power-vibes but couldn't be more different in personality. Kizaru is laid back and almost lazy while being quite sadistic and cruel when needed, while Minato has a heart of gold but is one of the smartest and most cut throat ninja to ever come out of Konoha. In terms of the actual fight though, I pretty much agree here. I think that if Minato can't touch Kizaru, then he would probably still win but with extreme dif due to not being able to really hit his opponent conventionally. But we see that Bijuu Bombs are capable of vaporizing stuff like energy, and the Bijuu Chakra Limbs can interact with souls and such, as well as the Rasengan just being pure energy as well. So I think Minato's energy based attacks could at least damage Kizaru. Haki is also pretty close to chakra so I think that pure chakra attacks could probably hurt Kizaru anyway. But the real thing that I think gives him an edge is Sealing Jutsu and the Flying Raijin. FTG means that he could literally just teleport away from any attack Kizaru throws at him, as with similar reaction times, Minato just has to think to teleport while Kizaru has to actually move to attack. While I don't think BFR is a viable option as Kizaru can just fly back (unless Minato manages to throw his Kunai into the sun?), if Minato did figure out Kizaru's weakness to Water, he could just teleport him into the ocean and that's gg. Sealing Jutsu is also huge here, as not only does it give Minato a way to put Kizaru down, it's something that Kizaru wouldn't really see coming. And judging based on Teen Minato being able to create Kyuubi Level seals, I think that a Full Power KCM SM Minato could probably seal Kizaru away without the Reaper Death Seal (although that's debatable). Kizaru has regen going for him though, as his is better than Minato's (unless it's Edo Minato), meaning that Minato really has to either obliterate him with a Bijuu Bomb or Seal him to win - but the thing is, that's what he would be doing anyway. He isn't gonna try and kill Kizaru by stabbing him or something. In terms of stats, I'd say that while close, Minato has a slight edge. Naruto has higher Multi Continental calcs than One Piece, and Minato has both his own power and Kurama. In terms of raw speed, I think they are relative but again Minato's verse has better calcs tbh so he might be a hair faster. Future Sight mitigates this, but Minato has his own precog via Sage Mode. (it isn't as good but Minato is already a bit faster anyway imo). So I'd say that in terms of Minato vs Kizaru without Minato being able to touch him, Minato takes it extreme dif due to teleportation, slightly better stats, and sealing jutsu. If we do let Minato touch him, then it becomes mid-dif as after a single blow Minato can just keep teleporting Bijuu Bombs as Kizaru until he gets vaporized. Edo Minato wins low-diff because immortality but that's unfair lol. How I think the fight would go? Minato plays defense while he slowly figures out Kizaru's abilities, using the Flying Raijin to evade lethal blows. Kizaru plays lazy offense and just kind of throws out stuff at random because he's just kind of like that. Eventually, Minato figures out the Pika Pika no Mi and begins to actually smack Kizaru up a bit. Kizaru gets pressed and begins trying, but Minato already has him outsmarted and takes it in a grueling battle of both attrition and wit. _Kizaru stands tall in the ruined Forest of Death, blood pouring down his face as he caught his breath. The Gorosei had assigned him to take out a small village on an island off the coast of Egghead, something about a giant nine tailed fox running around. Its defenders has been strong, but only one man had truly pushed him to the limit. The Yellow Flash._ _"As long as I live... I'll never forget you, Minato. You're the only person to ever challenge me in speed." He says through labored breath, staring down at the man who lay on his hands and knees. The Fourth Hokage was battered and bloodied, a whole in his chest and severe burns on his arms as blood and sweat dripped from his brow. Minato had given it everything he had against this strange threat, but his jutsu had been too much. The ability to become one with light itself has proved too much for the him. His Nine Tails Chakra and Senjutsu Energy had run dry, having been in battle for over 24 hours now. He stared up at the Golden Admiral with defiant blue eyes, coughing up blood as he spoke harshly._ _"Don't speak as if you honor me." Minato spat, weakness and weariness burning in his very soul. This man had come from nowhere, demanding Konoha's immediate surrender and destruction. He, as the Fourth Hokage, he immediately went on the attack, unwilling to let this man destroy his village and family. But Kizaru had been too strong, too fast, too versatile. He had exhausted all he had, and now was on death's door in front of his foe._ _"Honor... honor gets you nowhere, we are all but tools to be used by those who can make the decisions. Making decisions is hard, wouldn't you agree?" Kizaru asked with a small grin, making Minato intensify his glare ten-fold. He couldn't fall here, he was the Fourth Hokage! He had the to defend to the village, to defend his friends, to defend Kushina!_ _"Those are the words of a coward." Minato growled, making his adversary laugh through his own pain and wounds. Though made of light, Minato had managed to land several near fatal blows on him, evidenced by the blood dripping from the man's golden suit. Kizaru only shook his head, his grin turning into a smirk._ _"Cowards live. And now for your bravery, this village will burn." Minato's eyes widened in alarm as Kizaru began to float into the sky, a golden ball of energy forming on the tip of his index finger. No, no no no! He couldn't let this man destroy the village!_ _'Kushina... I won't let him hurt you... I won't let him hurt anyone... not as long as I breath!' With great pain and anguish, Minato got to his feet, the will of fire surging in his chest as his heart beat like a war drum. His Kurama Chakra Mode and Sage Mode burst to life as his chakra network screamed as it began to rip and tear from the strain. But he wouldn't let Konoha be destroyed!_ _Minato quickly materialized his Kurama avatar, his wounds spurting with blood as the entire world shook and trembled. The giant glowing fox looked up at Kizaru and began to form a Bijuu Bomb, the light-man looking down with an impressed expression._ _"Still more?" He asked, before the Bijuu Bomb was sent flying towards him at light speeds. Kizaru quickly focused Haki into his foot, slamming a heel down on the projectile to kick it back down. But he was surprised to see a Kunai sail out of the bomb and right towards his chest, having been hiding inside the attack where he couldn't see it. His stamina was low, so he hadn't been using his Observation Haki at the time._ _"As long as I live, Konoha will prosper! No matter the threat, I'll give my all to defend this village!!" Minato roared as he teleported to the Kunai, before teleporting the Bijuu Bomb which was behind him back into the Kunai. The massive ball of energy appeared right in front of Kizaru, who was too slow to dodge as it began to vaporize his torso._ _But Minato wasn't done, be quickly tossed another Kunai which sailed past Kizaru, which he teleported too and charged up an Odama Rasengan as he began to fall towards Kizaru's back. With a cry of effort, he slammed the chakra ball into the admiral, sandwiching him between the two massive balls of energy which quickly enveloped him whole._ _'It's over.'_ _With a final burst of chakra, Minato activated one of his earlier Flying Raijin marks he has placed during the fight, teleporting the ball of energy containing Kizaru onto an uninhabited island where it promptly detonated with the enough power to obliterate the earth's surface. A massive beam of red light blasted off from the ground and into space, visible from orbit and from Konoha as Kizaru was completely vaporized by The Forth Hokage._ _As the light died down, Minato stood tall as he reverted into his normal state, falling to the cratered earth in a heap as he breathed heavily. He could sense that his opponent was dead, and that Tsunade was now coming to heal him from the battle. He also sensed Kushina, causing a small smile to form on his face._ _'I did it, Kushina... I saved the village... aren't you proud of me?' Minato drifted into unconscious, knowing that when he woke up it would be with his wife and friends waiting to congratulate him on his victory and keeping his home safe. The sun began to set, signalling the end of the battle between the fastest marine and fastest shinobi, a battle in which the Yellow Flash emerged victorious, protecting his home from the corrupt World Government._ Idk why I just typed all of that, but this is a really cool battle and as someone who loves writing I just felt like making this little scene. Again, great video, can't wait for the next one!
Thinking that Mnato's attacks can hurt light is just plain delusional. If just having an energy based attack was all it took then logias wouldn't even be a threat in One Piece. Minato doesn't have anything that can harm literal light.
Chakra is not just energy. While I said I wasn’t gonna get into this particular argument in the video. Haki itself possess’ the quality, of being able to turn a logia- back into their tangible form. And Haki? Is- as Oda explains- the physical manifestation of someone’s willpower, Into an invisible energy coating. Now? Chakra- is the combination of Physical, And Spiritual energies- to create one Chakra energy- that can be specially amplified & triggered? By emotions. These two things are clearly different. And I would even personally say- that Devil fruits (described as the manifestation of someone’s dreams.) sound like a more apt comparison to chakra. However? Minato also has Bjjuu Chakra, and Sage Energy. Which operate entirely differently. Sage energy is the natural powers of the earth? (Which can be harnessed through Sage chakra- created in Sage Mode.) And Bjjuu chakra? Is Chakra of the Otsutsuki derivative Ten Tails. Which? In the literally sense- is made of pure will power. Since? The beasts are nothing more than chakra constructs- Yet can act & think on their own- without traditional bodies. (Very similar to ghost hagoromo.) We know they do have bones, flesh, and organs? But it seems (at least to me) that these things are made of chakra (somehow.) So… If Tailed Beast chakra can have a will of it’s own? (Without being commanded) Or Sage energy can have a will of its own (as the will of nature.) Or? If you just think regular chakra’s spiritual component is Will power based. Then yes, Minato could literally punch pure light in the face. If not? He does have other win cons- Like he mentioned above & I did, in the video. Those are just my basic thoughts on the argument of Chakra Vs Haki though. Since, it obviously goes deeper than that. With some people even saying it’s more fair- to just equalize the verses- which is a valid opinion in its own right.
There’s not really any confirmation, or refutation to it as of now. Not to say it’s confirmed one way or the other. But? Chakra equalling out Haki, is not the most unreasonable thing in the world. As I explained a bit, above.
Big Mom's feats aren't inconsistent. It's just a matter of context. Sometimes Big Mom genuinely isn't paying attention to her opponents. She's a tank. She hasn't really been injured in decades. She's used to just walking through anything and everything. So naturally she isn't gonna dodge every hit. Since from her perspective she doesn't have to. Powerscalers really gotta learn to take into account characterization and context instead of just comparing feats. Actually read the story and understand the characters.
I’m not saying Big Mom is slow. Or gets blitzed by chopper in a fight. However, it is entirely consistent that characters like Law & Kid can tag her. Despite on other occasions- being perceptive enough to warn Kaido (a future sight user) of an incoming attack. This also applies to Kaido not blitzing the crap out of the (non sulong) Scabbards. Consistency is very important to me. And it’s very consistent, that Oda doesn’t care much- for big gaps in speed. Marco intercepting Kizaru’s attack? But then getting casually caught by Big Mom? With Kizaru beating up G4 Snakeman (who by conventional power scaling logic, should be god speed in the verse for beating up Kaido.) Does that mean Big Mom > Marco = Kizaru > Snakeman? No. In reality? They’re all equally in the same speed tier. While not massively power creeping each other- or the other tiers. Hence how weaker characters can still be useful- and it make way more sense, than calc stacking. Also? A little off topic. But since she’s my favorite of the Yonko. I’ll say- Yes. Lin Lin is the most inconsistent character- maybe in all of OP. In terms of power. One minute, she’s on par with base Kaido. Said to have invulnerable skin an arc before, just like Kaido. Then the next minute? She’s being hurt dramatically by Kid, who was crapping himself over Zoro’s feats against conquest of the Sea. 2x Zoro caliber characters? Without ACoC couldn’t beat Kaido. It’s just not happening. So? Yeah- I don’t feel like Big Mom has at all lived up to her hype yet (until she returns again, for the third arc in a row? If she does.)
@@TUCKALMIGHTYyes,big mom will come back for sure,there is just to much supporting it narratively. But anyway - no,you can not say it.The problem with Kizaru is that he doesn't goes all out.I mean - there is the fact that Ben Beckman was able to stop him,and he uses a gun.By that logic Kizaru would be below bullet level speed.No,Marjo was able to stop him because Kizaru is,as we know - is an "unsertain" justice.He doesn't use all his power because he doesn't thinks he needs to.So trying to scale it like that would be really bad.The only thing you can get from this attack is that Marco is most likely around Light Speed,and then upscale from that. And yes - she was shown to be relative to base Kaido,but it is not like it was a battle to the death.They decided to engage afterwards afterall,of course they weren't going all out all the time. And while I do think that Big Mom is relative to base Kaido - let's not forget that this is Big Mom after she didn't have food for a long time because of her amnesia,and after a fight with Kido and Queen,and that they had to awaken their Devil fruits to damage her. Oh,and about that comment of One piece scales scaling White Beard to planetary - yeaxit exists because One Piece planet is stated to be MUCH bigger than ours,so even if you take the original statment that states that White Beard can basically white all life on the planet out(a statment made by sengoku,who deffinetly knows his strenght first hand) - it would still put him at planetary levels of AP just because the planet in one piece is around dwarf star in size depending on your calculation.
Recent chapters also confirmed Kizaru can move beyond the speed of light. We already know he can dish out casual lightspeed kicks in base but recently he showed that he can accelerate even in his light form. Kizaru used his light to accelerate beyond regular light speed just so he could land a solid hit on Snakeman Luffy.
That’s a mistranslation. We see him use the exact same phrasing, in his first appearance. He’s referring to acceleration (speed) being power. Because F = M•A. So when Kizaru stops being light- and kicks someone- with that speed still carrying his body? The kick hits harder. I do think he’s FTL regardless, That’s just not the best proof of it.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Thats besides the point. Translation or not he's still accelerating as it's clearly represented visually and contextually that he was going faster.
Kizaru himself (his physical body) accelerates (meaning moves faster) when he turns to light. But when his mass turns back to regular bone & flesh. That acceleration doesn’t disappear. Hence why he says Speed = Strength. And why the translation matters. Since one suggests he’s speeding up in his light form to go faster. Where as the accurate version- implies the light form? IS- the thing that’s accelerating him.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I don't think thats it. We can clearly see Kizaru as light literally getting faster on-panel. I don't think it's a matter of throwing his physical mass around faster since it's clear he doesn't need to do that at all to move at LS or faster.
I think he can move faster than light. But Kizaru has said that exact phrase before. And it was mistranslated this time. Since the original translation (for years now) was something more akin to “Speed is Power.” And as we see on the panel, he does like? A flash light, as he turns into light, and blasts at Luffy. So I don’t think it necessarily means he’s can “accelerate” his light. I just think his light is passively much faster than light now. Those are only my thoughts though, you can view it however you want- since that particular interpretation doesn’t change too much.
I absolutely sympathize. Due to how wildly fiction throws around the phrase “light speed” as if you could actually move faster than it. For future reference? If it helps. Just basically equate Light speed to 186,000 mi/sec? And ignore everything else that the real world has to say about it. (No Lorentz factor, No Reality Warping, Etc…) Unless stated otherwise? Since? Most fictional universes, operate on the assumption- that Light is like sound? And can be literally surpassed without ramifications.
So would it be wrong for me to apply how light works in our world to kizaru , I mean , fighting someone who's light , in my mind, would be near to impossible, the intangibility, the fact that he can move at light speed all the time and do anything at light speed , makes me understand why Oda needed to give Luffy gear five first before he could even make kizaru sweat , like in one piece kizaru isn't that strong because of haki and other logias and how they interact with each other, but to someone outside the one piece verse, kizaru is virtually a God , if eneru could use his haki/mantra in tune with the electromagnetic waves in the air to hear what people are saying miles away and even other things, what do you think kizaru could do
Not necessarily wrong to imply Kizaru can do other things light can do. Kizaru is shown to be bright, intangible, fast, etc… Purely just the physics behind a human body moving at light speed, are somewhat to be ignored for the fictional story- to remain? Fictional. But yeah? I agree, a full powered Kizaru would go off. He’s clearly got a lot of Hax, is super strong, smart, versatile. And when we see more from him in the future, he could definitely flip this fight on its head. For now though, I think the self healing/ instant teleportation, is too much of a lethal combo for him. (Although, IMO it’s nearly 50/50? Because they’re both cracked.)
Objectively speaking One Piece character DO scale upwards in regards to speed and power. Most blatant example being that when Luffy gets more powerful on Onigaishima, attacks that he couldn't react to at all he's able to dodge with ease after he gets a Haki powerup. Physical stats is about the only thing that genuinely scales linearly in One Piece. Even just on a basic logic level Luffy was already casually dodging LS attacks at the start of the timeskip thus stronger opponents would have to be able to keep up with him in order to fight him. And we actually do see stronger opponents consistently able to blitz him and knock him around as he faces stronger foes. So again, as characters get stronger, they also get faster.
I’m not saying characters don’t get faster and stronger as things progress in One Piece. That would be ridiculous. But as you yourself said, Context matters. And in One Piece? Stats do not, at all, scale linearly with Haki. Kizaru > Kaido in speed. Kaido > Kizaru in strength. Oda says as much. When he explains that characters can have Haki affinities. Sanji > Zoro in speed (as the better CoO user) Zoro > Sanji in AP (as the better CoA user) You can even use this on more subjective things? Like when Luffy says Cracker has better armament Haki than Doffy. But doesn’t mention the other two types. So while speed tiers clearly do exist in One Piece. Just because Kaido > Shanks > Big Mom etc… doesn’t mean there is a massive speed gap there. Even Big Mom > Marco Or Kizaru > Marco (just a regular first commander who was one tapped by Rayleigh) still not a massive speed Gap.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Thing is; the Kaido/Kizaru comparison doesn't work because for one of them their speed advantage is Devil fruit based. Other than that "I kind" of agree with what you're saying but you're missing some points there.
I get what you mean. But you could easily say the same thing for two people like Shanks/Mihawk & Kaido. Shanks/Mihawk is probably faster? But likely weaker by Kaido’s statements. Sorry if I missed points though. I’ve surprisingly got a lot of comments on this video Lol.
Minato can't remove him , like I said , light can travel the globe in 0.13 seconds, you could teleport him anywhere he'd be back in less the time a human can blink
Yes, it’s true. But (as far as we know) Kizaru can’t control his light speed travel like that. Hence why he brought a mirror with him to Sabaody. And still uses boats. If he tried to go long distances. He’d fling himself off the OP planet, and die of the cold/lack of oxygen/etc… Not saying he couldn’t make his way back though. Just saying it would be enough time for Minato to rest? And potentially keep doing it- perpetually, until he has an actual solution.
You’re actually right. I guess this was Mandela effect. I was referring to the scene where he used yata mirror for the first time, and bounced off all the buildings. I guess I just thought he was holding an actual mirror Lol. But still, not much evidence that he could go around the planet & only uses boats for “connivence.” Otherwise? He wouldn’t have sailed to Sabaody (since it was emergency) And stuff like that. Just not a lot of evidence to say he can control long distance speeds that fast.
Minato can hypothetically use Reaper Death Seal, The seal he used on Obito, Flying Raijin, Water, etc… to get around logia powers. But if you’ll assume chakra/Kyuubi/Sage or any combinations of those- work to neg logia powers. Then Minato has more win cons obviously.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYThird are u really blind or what?? Bcuz kyuubi mode and sage mode cannot touch the light. Lemme say why u probably didn't study what is light in school 🤣... First to defy a devil fruit u need ocean, sea prism stone or dark dark fruit powers but u can also touch logia type devil fruit by other elements for ex smoke and fire can touch each other during the fight between smoker and Ace it's shown and another example is akainu vs akoiji and it shows that an element can touch other element.But Light exists in tiny packets called photons. Photons have no rest mass and they do not occupy any volume. So light is not an element and not even a matter 🤣😂😂 so there is no way that it can be touched physically so all physical attacks even if it contains chakra cannot harm kizaru. In manga many times it's said that kizaru is as fast as light lemme tell u how fast is a light first its 3 x10^8 per second which is 30 lakh kilometre in one second not min Or hours seconds and light of course cannot travel the whole earth one time in one sec bcuz it can do more than that light can travel 7.5 times around the earth in just one sec... Just open ur eyes and one second is over and ur telling that mianto can do more than that😂😂😂... Can minato travel 7 times around the earth in one second not even with 1 hour and about win counts win counts doesn't matter cuz minato just defeated some noob ninjas and kizaru has better experience bcuz he battled gear 5 luffy, law, kid, and entire worst generations and also the formal navy admiral which was his sensei and still hasn't shown or reached his full potential 🤣 after awakening the DF he will just make minato chocolate donut
Madara was not controlling this Obito as far as I am aware. Madara was still an EDO Tensei at this point. So? Minato teleported right in front of one of the fastest characters in the series- and cut him down.
Yeah theres no way Minato is touching Kizaru. Just saying "Chakra, Sage Energy, and Bijuu Chakra" doesn't automatically mean that any of those would affect Kizaru. While Minato can regenerate he can't do so forever a constant barrage of laser beams piercing his organs over and over would drain his chakra and Kizaru can spam that without cost. We've never seen a character regenerate their organs if all of them are destroyed at once either. Not that he would need to pierce his organs since a single laser beam through the skull would end the match pretty quickly. Even worse of Kizaru accelerates beyond LS to kick Minato's skull off it's shoulders. What then? I doubt his head regenerates from that. Kurama avatar would be a good defense but it wouldn't protect him for long either. Aside from sealing I don't see anything in Minato's bag being effective here.
I didn’t say Minato could touch Kizaru. I even did two rounds, since I sort of disagree with the notion that he actually could touch him. (Not fully, since Bjjuu chakra is the literally manifested willpower of tailed beast for example. But I think it’s debatable enough to not say Minato can touch him. Not going to give any false one sided verse equalization.) And? Yes? Kizaru can damage Minato’s organs- and attack him very quickly with strong attacks. The problem your forgetting- is that Minato isn’t a sitting stone. His speed scaling is in the same league- and he can also teleport. So there’s a good chance he lasts the long haul. Until he gets one of the three win cons I mentioned in the Vid. Because more than 50% of fights end with a tie IMO- due to Kizaru messing around too much, and Minato in character going for Reaper Death Seal. I think I’d just say it’s a draw if Minato can’t touch him? Since his sealing is a consistent win con. Ontop of BFR, Water, & Genjutsu- being other options he may figure out, if the fight drags on.
No worries then, you can pretty much ignore that whole comment. Logia’s are undoubtedly broken. So it’s always reasonable to give a few takes, based on the different possibilities.
i definitely do not believe minato is equal to minato in terms of speed because people forget minato has seals and have to setup kunai around the field to have an advantage.
Tobirama says that Minato is faster than him. And the Raikage expresses the same sentiment. This isn’t in reference to his teleportation, or anything like that. They are just separate abilities. And those statements also ignore KCM2- which is a huge multiplier to both AP & Speed.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY raikage asked his assistant to send him to the battlefield using her LS jutsu if he was LS why is he asking for LS assistance? that doesn't make sense also she said that no one would survive the travel since it would destroy their bodies , i do believe naruto reached LS at least reaction but i would have to do some ignoring to prove minato is LS or ftl without FTG.
Kizaru also says he can only move at the Speed of Light. Many times. And personally? I think the opinion of one light speed statement (specifically for travel speed) isn’t as valid? As many lightspeed feats and statements (coming from both databooks and the story.) Such as the Raikage’s assiatant. Saying the Raikage had synapsids that fire off, at the speed of light on panel.
I minato or Naruto could travel at light speed ALL the time , Naruto would have ended way earlier lol , minato without he's teleportation is not that fast , compared to having the ability to do anything at light speed, like minato can't Punch or kick at the speed of light , like there hits are not at light speed , imo , kizaru overwhelms him even with teleportation, light can circle the globe in 0.13 seconds, nobody in Naruto can do that without teleportation, kizaru can , easily
Minato dodged a punch from the Raikage, stated to be Light speed. He’s also faster than Haku, who was stated light speed. And? The Raikage is stated to be able to think at light speed? So- blitzing him (like Naruto did) would be a “light speed” feat. I don’t think they can travel that fast necessarily. But in terms of combat speed (how fast they kick, punch, react, etc…) It’s consistent within their own world.
The problem with war ark reanimation minato is that REANIAMTION he has infinite chakra. So it’s hard to gauge his real stamina when he’s got infinite, we saw the difference between a 3rd hokage live vs reanimation hiruzen was spamming 😂 Anyways 9 tails plus sage mode is alot of fire power it’s just explosives shouldn’t work against kizaru heck ohnoki particle style shouldn’t do anything as atomic dismantling jutsu is well atomic lvl kizaru is subatomic (also Enel ) 😂 I don’t see minato landing anything unless kizaru is flat out not using observation but for him to keep up with a snakeman LUFFY the same one that was countering hybrid kaido 💀 Add the fact that it’s now confirmed he can accelerate light itself, Idk kizaru doesn’t have much for him minato litterally had nothing till end war. Let’s see I have a feeling kizaru got a crazy bag. If he’s capable of having the same stamina of aokiji and akainu 10 day fight or spam his sacred jewl for 24/7 then id give him the w It’s just hard to believe madara using a light attack against six paths naruto who barely dodged it madara completely thrashing this same minato just don’t see it 😂
Minato scales with the nine tails base he was able to clash his rasangon with a tail beast bomb from karama his self way before he got kcm. Minato is smart af it would have taken someone a long time to figure out obitos Kamui it took Minato a few seconds to figure out how to take him out then go deal with karama all in the same day. To say Kizaru is stronger then Minato is interesting because again Karama is planetary and so was madara. Help me if I’m wrong who’s planetary in op? Best I’ve seen was mountain level to island level attacks. We have more details on Minato then Kizaru we have basic stuff on him while Minato he have a bunch of stuff (side note you guys didn’t read Minato’s book yall should check that out)
Minato probably doesn’t scale to the full Nine Tails, despite clashing with it. For a few reasons. The biggest of which, is that pretty consistently. The Nine tails within it’s weird mind dimension (where minato fought it.) Is very consistently portrayed as weak. Start of Shippuden Sasuke suppressed it, Sage Naruto beat it up after uncaging it, young Minato clashed with it, and adult Minato suppressed it. This is? As opposed to its full release. Where straight up, it kills Minato. And fights hashirama. Don’t know why it’s like this, but it is lol. I do agree with Minato’s Intelligence though. He’s a top 5 in the verse no doing. As for strength? I think they’re about even, and the editor favors Kizaru. For One Piece Planet Level/Multi-Continental scaling though. It basically comes from Whitebeard statements, Blackbeard statements, Upscaling from a continent being split on panel, Ancient weapons statements, and Luffy’s Bajrang Gun. You can check out our Luffy Vs Naruto video for more on that, if you’d like. But really any of our Luffy videos will cover his scaling. We do have way more on Minato though Kizaru as of right now though. So take that how you will. And? We have indeed read the Minato One Shot. Though? I don’t know if there’s another book you’re talking about.
I really don’t think G5 luffy would be able to win against minato…. And for the people who think that future sight gives op character an advantage they are wrong we have seen that even an immature sharingan had better pre-cog than most of the future site..users…and an MS fugaku was stated to be an equal for minato….he was the same person who even itachi feared…..
@@fuzzo2734 nah brother I’m op fan but you see I’m not like the rest of you guys, sure as an anime, writing, world building One Piece is the best but when it comes to power naruto verse takes it…..
@@RohitNikam-ps2zj I don’t think agree at all that the verse is stronger but even if you think the verse is stronger to think that minato stands a chance against g5 that’s something I just can’t agree with g5 has far better hax physical stats and feats to put him well above minato
@@TUCKALMIGHTY if we’re counting just gear 5 alone, if somehow someway minato could survive/outlast a gear 5 sure it’s maybe closer. But if Luffy can use base - g5 the fight won’t be close at all We know that Luffy can tank 10+ baro breath which are shown to incinerate anything it touches so I think Luffy can tank loads of tailed beast bomb/rasengan before forcing him to even use future sight Not to mention using armament/ryuo haki for defense aswell as seeing the attack coming Luffy is immune to blunt force attacks and can make his surroundings rubbery to mitigate damage aswell as turning people and energy into rubber G4 boundman grants him tons more strength, flight and even more resistance to blunt force attacks even with haki (doffy fight) And Snakeman greatly increases his speed far beyond the base/g2 Luffy that’s able to react to a ftl++ thunder bagua
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My problem is kizaru is actually just stronger , the fact that kizaru can spam his devil fruit ability while minato will eventually have to worry about chakara , the fact that kizaru is reacting to gear 5 luffy and even morphing his body around someone who’s probably faster than him , the fact that he’s clashing with gear 5 luffy , this shows he kicks and punches way harder than minato , if minato even tried to clash with luffy his hand would shatter , the man made clones that couldn’t be touched even with haki and even if minato keeps running away kizaru can probably just Nike the whole battlefield
Yeah. If you’re working under the assumption that Kizaru is just straight up more powerful. This is pretty much true.
But with the evidence I showed in the video? I couldn’t find any arguments for either that placed them above Mutli-Continental to Planet Level.
And while Kizaru would probably do more damage in straight hands with Ryou. It wouldn’t be enough to just neg Minato. Especially with the Kurama avatar. At least IMO.
My current judge of Luffy Vs Kizaru.
Is that Luffy > Kaido > Kizaru.
Since Kaido said Joyboy could defeat him, and was the only one that could. As well as Kaido claiming he was the strongest in the verse.
So while clashing with Gear 5 is a great feat. I don’t necessarily think he’s above it. Especially with ACoC coated attacks, while Kizaru himself hasn’t been shown to have (yet.)
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I definitely a agree that minato can put out the same amount of damage my real point is that kizaru can put out that amount of damage easier and more consistently but fuck all dat ur channel is great man you gotta keep pushing out videos like this
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You talk about Minato Regen but forget about kizaru Regen,
You can't touch him without haki
Kizaru won a 4v1 against urouge, Hawkins, apoo and X-drake too. Kizaru just slams.
@TUCKALMIGHTY Is your entire video is just the biggest asumption. You have no facts of what character is stronger than the other because no one will ever know.
Finally got to watch this, and tbh this might be your best one yet!
Minato vs Kizaru is a really interesting debate to me because these characters are so similar in monickers and general power-vibes but couldn't be more different in personality. Kizaru is laid back and almost lazy while being quite sadistic and cruel when needed, while Minato has a heart of gold but is one of the smartest and most cut throat ninja to ever come out of Konoha.
In terms of the actual fight though, I pretty much agree here. I think that if Minato can't touch Kizaru, then he would probably still win but with extreme dif due to not being able to really hit his opponent conventionally. But we see that Bijuu Bombs are capable of vaporizing stuff like energy, and the Bijuu Chakra Limbs can interact with souls and such, as well as the Rasengan just being pure energy as well. So I think Minato's energy based attacks could at least damage Kizaru. Haki is also pretty close to chakra so I think that pure chakra attacks could probably hurt Kizaru anyway.
But the real thing that I think gives him an edge is Sealing Jutsu and the Flying Raijin. FTG means that he could literally just teleport away from any attack Kizaru throws at him, as with similar reaction times, Minato just has to think to teleport while Kizaru has to actually move to attack. While I don't think BFR is a viable option as Kizaru can just fly back (unless Minato manages to throw his Kunai into the sun?), if Minato did figure out Kizaru's weakness to Water, he could just teleport him into the ocean and that's gg.
Sealing Jutsu is also huge here, as not only does it give Minato a way to put Kizaru down, it's something that Kizaru wouldn't really see coming. And judging based on Teen Minato being able to create Kyuubi Level seals, I think that a Full Power KCM SM Minato could probably seal Kizaru away without the Reaper Death Seal (although that's debatable).
Kizaru has regen going for him though, as his is better than Minato's (unless it's Edo Minato), meaning that Minato really has to either obliterate him with a Bijuu Bomb or Seal him to win - but the thing is, that's what he would be doing anyway. He isn't gonna try and kill Kizaru by stabbing him or something.
In terms of stats, I'd say that while close, Minato has a slight edge. Naruto has higher Multi Continental calcs than One Piece, and Minato has both his own power and Kurama. In terms of raw speed, I think they are relative but again Minato's verse has better calcs tbh so he might be a hair faster. Future Sight mitigates this, but Minato has his own precog via Sage Mode. (it isn't as good but Minato is already a bit faster anyway imo).
So I'd say that in terms of Minato vs Kizaru without Minato being able to touch him, Minato takes it extreme dif due to teleportation, slightly better stats, and sealing jutsu. If we do let Minato touch him, then it becomes mid-dif as after a single blow Minato can just keep teleporting Bijuu Bombs as Kizaru until he gets vaporized. Edo Minato wins low-diff because immortality but that's unfair lol.
How I think the fight would go? Minato plays defense while he slowly figures out Kizaru's abilities, using the Flying Raijin to evade lethal blows. Kizaru plays lazy offense and just kind of throws out stuff at random because he's just kind of like that. Eventually, Minato figures out the Pika Pika no Mi and begins to actually smack Kizaru up a bit. Kizaru gets pressed and begins trying, but Minato already has him outsmarted and takes it in a grueling battle of both attrition and wit.
_Kizaru stands tall in the ruined Forest of Death, blood pouring down his face as he caught his breath. The Gorosei had assigned him to take out a small village on an island off the coast of Egghead, something about a giant nine tailed fox running around. Its defenders has been strong, but only one man had truly pushed him to the limit. The Yellow Flash._
_"As long as I live... I'll never forget you, Minato. You're the only person to ever challenge me in speed." He says through labored breath, staring down at the man who lay on his hands and knees. The Fourth Hokage was battered and bloodied, a whole in his chest and severe burns on his arms as blood and sweat dripped from his brow. Minato had given it everything he had against this strange threat, but his jutsu had been too much. The ability to become one with light itself has proved too much for the him. His Nine Tails Chakra and Senjutsu Energy had run dry, having been in battle for over 24 hours now. He stared up at the Golden Admiral with defiant blue eyes, coughing up blood as he spoke harshly._
_"Don't speak as if you honor me." Minato spat, weakness and weariness burning in his very soul. This man had come from nowhere, demanding Konoha's immediate surrender and destruction. He, as the Fourth Hokage, he immediately went on the attack, unwilling to let this man destroy his village and family. But Kizaru had been too strong, too fast, too versatile. He had exhausted all he had, and now was on death's door in front of his foe._
_"Honor... honor gets you nowhere, we are all but tools to be used by those who can make the decisions. Making decisions is hard, wouldn't you agree?" Kizaru asked with a small grin, making Minato intensify his glare ten-fold. He couldn't fall here, he was the Fourth Hokage! He had the to defend to the village, to defend his friends, to defend Kushina!_
_"Those are the words of a coward." Minato growled, making his adversary laugh through his own pain and wounds. Though made of light, Minato had managed to land several near fatal blows on him, evidenced by the blood dripping from the man's golden suit. Kizaru only shook his head, his grin turning into a smirk._
_"Cowards live. And now for your bravery, this village will burn." Minato's eyes widened in alarm as Kizaru began to float into the sky, a golden ball of energy forming on the tip of his index finger. No, no no no! He couldn't let this man destroy the village!_
_'Kushina... I won't let him hurt you... I won't let him hurt anyone... not as long as I breath!' With great pain and anguish, Minato got to his feet, the will of fire surging in his chest as his heart beat like a war drum. His Kurama Chakra Mode and Sage Mode burst to life as his chakra network screamed as it began to rip and tear from the strain. But he wouldn't let Konoha be destroyed!_
_Minato quickly materialized his Kurama avatar, his wounds spurting with blood as the entire world shook and trembled. The giant glowing fox looked up at Kizaru and began to form a Bijuu Bomb, the light-man looking down with an impressed expression._
_"Still more?" He asked, before the Bijuu Bomb was sent flying towards him at light speeds. Kizaru quickly focused Haki into his foot, slamming a heel down on the projectile to kick it back down. But he was surprised to see a Kunai sail out of the bomb and right towards his chest, having been hiding inside the attack where he couldn't see it. His stamina was low, so he hadn't been using his Observation Haki at the time._
_"As long as I live, Konoha will prosper! No matter the threat, I'll give my all to defend this village!!" Minato roared as he teleported to the Kunai, before teleporting the Bijuu Bomb which was behind him back into the Kunai. The massive ball of energy appeared right in front of Kizaru, who was too slow to dodge as it began to vaporize his torso._
_But Minato wasn't done, be quickly tossed another Kunai which sailed past Kizaru, which he teleported too and charged up an Odama Rasengan as he began to fall towards Kizaru's back. With a cry of effort, he slammed the chakra ball into the admiral, sandwiching him between the two massive balls of energy which quickly enveloped him whole._
_'It's over.'_
_With a final burst of chakra, Minato activated one of his earlier Flying Raijin marks he has placed during the fight, teleporting the ball of energy containing Kizaru onto an uninhabited island where it promptly detonated with the enough power to obliterate the earth's surface. A massive beam of red light blasted off from the ground and into space, visible from orbit and from Konoha as Kizaru was completely vaporized by The Forth Hokage._
_As the light died down, Minato stood tall as he reverted into his normal state, falling to the cratered earth in a heap as he breathed heavily. He could sense that his opponent was dead, and that Tsunade was now coming to heal him from the battle. He also sensed Kushina, causing a small smile to form on his face._
_'I did it, Kushina... I saved the village... aren't you proud of me?' Minato drifted into unconscious, knowing that when he woke up it would be with his wife and friends waiting to congratulate him on his victory and keeping his home safe. The sun began to set, signalling the end of the battle between the fastest marine and fastest shinobi, a battle in which the Yellow Flash emerged victorious, protecting his home from the corrupt World Government._
Idk why I just typed all of that, but this is a really cool battle and as someone who loves writing I just felt like making this little scene. Again, great video, can't wait for the next one!
Thinking that Mnato's attacks can hurt light is just plain delusional. If just having an energy based attack was all it took then logias wouldn't even be a threat in One Piece. Minato doesn't have anything that can harm literal light.
Chakra is not just energy.
While I said I wasn’t gonna get into this particular argument in the video.
Haki itself possess’ the quality, of being able to turn a logia- back into their tangible form.
And Haki? Is- as Oda explains- the physical manifestation of someone’s willpower, Into an invisible energy coating.
Now? Chakra- is the combination of Physical, And Spiritual energies- to create one Chakra energy- that can be specially amplified & triggered? By emotions.
These two things are clearly different. And I would even personally say- that Devil fruits (described as the manifestation of someone’s dreams.) sound like a more apt comparison to chakra.
However? Minato also has Bjjuu Chakra, and Sage Energy. Which operate entirely differently.
Sage energy is the natural powers of the earth? (Which can be harnessed through Sage chakra- created in Sage Mode.)
And Bjjuu chakra? Is Chakra of the Otsutsuki derivative Ten Tails. Which? In the literally sense- is made of pure will power. Since? The beasts are nothing more than chakra constructs-
Yet can act & think on their own- without traditional bodies. (Very similar to ghost hagoromo.)
We know they do have bones, flesh, and organs? But it seems (at least to me) that these things are made of chakra (somehow.)
So… If Tailed Beast chakra can have a will of it’s own? (Without being commanded) Or Sage energy can have a will of its own (as the will of nature.) Or? If you just think regular chakra’s spiritual component is Will power based.
Then yes, Minato could literally punch pure light in the face.
If not? He does have other win cons- Like he mentioned above & I did, in the video.
Those are just my basic thoughts on the argument of Chakra Vs Haki though.
Since, it obviously goes deeper than that. With some people even saying it’s more fair- to just equalize the verses- which is a valid opinion in its own right.
@@jonnjones8263 Chakra and Bijuu Chakra is spiritual and willpower based so yeah I’m pretty sure it would work.
@@limbo9993 Doesn't work like that dude. lol.
There’s not really any confirmation, or refutation to it as of now.
Not to say it’s confirmed one way or the other. But? Chakra equalling out Haki, is not the most unreasonable thing in the world. As I explained a bit, above.
Big Mom's feats aren't inconsistent. It's just a matter of context. Sometimes Big Mom genuinely isn't paying attention to her opponents. She's a tank. She hasn't really been injured in decades. She's used to just walking through anything and everything. So naturally she isn't gonna dodge every hit. Since from her perspective she doesn't have to. Powerscalers really gotta learn to take into account characterization and context instead of just comparing feats. Actually read the story and understand the characters.
I’m not saying Big Mom is slow. Or gets blitzed by chopper in a fight.
However, it is entirely consistent that characters like Law & Kid can tag her. Despite on other occasions- being perceptive enough to warn Kaido (a future sight user) of an incoming attack.
This also applies to Kaido not blitzing the crap out of the (non sulong) Scabbards.
Consistency is very important to me. And it’s very consistent, that Oda doesn’t care much- for big gaps in speed.
Marco intercepting Kizaru’s attack? But then getting casually caught by Big Mom?
With Kizaru beating up G4 Snakeman (who by conventional power scaling logic, should be god speed in the verse for beating up Kaido.)
Does that mean Big Mom > Marco = Kizaru > Snakeman? No.
In reality? They’re all equally in the same speed tier. While not massively power creeping each other- or the other tiers.
Hence how weaker characters can still be useful- and it make way more sense, than calc stacking.
Also? A little off topic. But since she’s my favorite of the Yonko. I’ll say- Yes. Lin Lin is the most inconsistent character- maybe in all of OP. In terms of power.
One minute, she’s on par with base Kaido. Said to have invulnerable skin an arc before, just like Kaido. Then the next minute? She’s being hurt dramatically by Kid, who was crapping himself over Zoro’s feats against conquest of the Sea.
2x Zoro caliber characters? Without ACoC couldn’t beat Kaido. It’s just not happening.
So? Yeah- I don’t feel like Big Mom has at all lived up to her hype yet (until she returns again, for the third arc in a row? If she does.)
@@TUCKALMIGHTYyes,big mom will come back for sure,there is just to much supporting it narratively.
But anyway - no,you can not say it.The problem with Kizaru is that he doesn't goes all out.I mean - there is the fact that Ben Beckman was able to stop him,and he uses a gun.By that logic Kizaru would be below bullet level speed.No,Marjo was able to stop him because Kizaru is,as we know - is an "unsertain" justice.He doesn't use all his power because he doesn't thinks he needs to.So trying to scale it like that would be really bad.The only thing you can get from this attack is that Marco is most likely around Light Speed,and then upscale from that.
And yes - she was shown to be relative to base Kaido,but it is not like it was a battle to the death.They decided to engage afterwards afterall,of course they weren't going all out all the time.
And while I do think that Big Mom is relative to base Kaido - let's not forget that this is Big Mom after she didn't have food for a long time because of her amnesia,and after a fight with Kido and Queen,and that they had to awaken their Devil fruits to damage her.
Oh,and about that comment of One piece scales scaling White Beard to planetary - yeaxit exists because One Piece planet is stated to be MUCH bigger than ours,so even if you take the original statment that states that White Beard can basically white all life on the planet out(a statment made by sengoku,who deffinetly knows his strenght first hand) - it would still put him at planetary levels of AP just because the planet in one piece is around dwarf star in size depending on your calculation.
The fact that kizaru held back and still tanked the hits.
Recent chapters also confirmed Kizaru can move beyond the speed of light. We already know he can dish out casual lightspeed kicks in base but recently he showed that he can accelerate even in his light form. Kizaru used his light to accelerate beyond regular light speed just so he could land a solid hit on Snakeman Luffy.
That’s a mistranslation. We see him use the exact same phrasing, in his first appearance.
He’s referring to acceleration (speed) being power. Because F = M•A.
So when Kizaru stops being light- and kicks someone- with that speed still carrying his body? The kick hits harder.
I do think he’s FTL regardless, That’s just not the best proof of it.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Thats besides the point. Translation or not he's still accelerating as it's clearly represented visually and contextually that he was going faster.
Kizaru himself (his physical body) accelerates (meaning moves faster) when he turns to light.
But when his mass turns back to regular bone & flesh. That acceleration doesn’t disappear. Hence why he says Speed = Strength.
And why the translation matters. Since one suggests he’s speeding up in his light form to go faster.
Where as the accurate version- implies the light form? IS- the thing that’s accelerating him.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I don't think thats it. We can clearly see Kizaru as light literally getting faster on-panel. I don't think it's a matter of throwing his physical mass around faster since it's clear he doesn't need to do that at all to move at LS or faster.
I think he can move faster than light. But Kizaru has said that exact phrase before. And it was mistranslated this time.
Since the original translation (for years now) was something more akin to “Speed is Power.”
And as we see on the panel, he does like? A flash light, as he turns into light, and blasts at Luffy. So I don’t think it necessarily means he’s can “accelerate” his light.
I just think his light is passively much faster than light now.
Those are only my thoughts though, you can view it however you want- since that particular interpretation doesn’t change too much.
As a physics student the way scallers throw around " light speed " gives me a headache bro
I absolutely sympathize. Due to how wildly fiction throws around the phrase “light speed” as if you could actually move faster than it.
For future reference? If it helps.
Just basically equate Light speed to 186,000 mi/sec? And ignore everything else that the real world has to say about it. (No Lorentz factor, No Reality Warping, Etc…) Unless stated otherwise?
Since? Most fictional universes, operate on the assumption- that Light is like sound? And can be literally surpassed without ramifications.
So would it be wrong for me to apply how light works in our world to kizaru , I mean , fighting someone who's light , in my mind, would be near to impossible, the intangibility, the fact that he can move at light speed all the time and do anything at light speed , makes me understand why Oda needed to give Luffy gear five first before he could even make kizaru sweat , like in one piece kizaru isn't that strong because of haki and other logias and how they interact with each other, but to someone outside the one piece verse, kizaru is virtually a God , if eneru could use his haki/mantra in tune with the electromagnetic waves in the air to hear what people are saying miles away and even other things, what do you think kizaru could do
Not necessarily wrong to imply Kizaru can do other things light can do. Kizaru is shown to be bright, intangible, fast, etc…
Purely just the physics behind a human body moving at light speed, are somewhat to be ignored for the fictional story- to remain? Fictional.
But yeah? I agree, a full powered Kizaru would go off. He’s clearly got a lot of Hax, is super strong, smart, versatile.
And when we see more from him in the future, he could definitely flip this fight on its head.
For now though, I think the self healing/ instant teleportation, is too much of a lethal combo for him. (Although, IMO it’s nearly 50/50? Because they’re both cracked.)
Kizaru's body is made up of photons... Even in human form he isn't purely made up of only flesh and bones
Objectively speaking One Piece character DO scale upwards in regards to speed and power. Most blatant example being that when Luffy gets more powerful on Onigaishima, attacks that he couldn't react to at all he's able to dodge with ease after he gets a Haki powerup. Physical stats is about the only thing that genuinely scales linearly in One Piece. Even just on a basic logic level Luffy was already casually dodging LS attacks at the start of the timeskip thus stronger opponents would have to be able to keep up with him in order to fight him. And we actually do see stronger opponents consistently able to blitz him and knock him around as he faces stronger foes. So again, as characters get stronger, they also get faster.
I’m not saying characters don’t get faster and stronger as things progress in One Piece. That would be ridiculous.
But as you yourself said, Context matters.
And in One Piece? Stats do not, at all, scale linearly with Haki.
Kizaru > Kaido in speed.
Kaido > Kizaru in strength.
Oda says as much. When he explains that characters can have Haki affinities.
Sanji > Zoro in speed (as the better CoO user)
Zoro > Sanji in AP (as the better CoA user)
You can even use this on more subjective things? Like when Luffy says Cracker has better armament Haki than Doffy. But doesn’t mention the other two types.
So while speed tiers clearly do exist in One Piece. Just because Kaido > Shanks > Big Mom etc… doesn’t mean there is a massive speed gap there.
Even Big Mom > Marco Or Kizaru > Marco (just a regular first commander who was one tapped by Rayleigh) still not a massive speed Gap.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Thing is; the Kaido/Kizaru comparison doesn't work because for one of them their speed advantage is Devil fruit based.
Other than that "I kind" of agree with what you're saying but you're missing some points there.
I get what you mean. But you could easily say the same thing for two people like Shanks/Mihawk & Kaido.
Shanks/Mihawk is probably faster? But likely weaker by Kaido’s statements.
Sorry if I missed points though. I’ve surprisingly got a lot of comments on this video Lol.
When kizaru fought for ten days I must’ve missed something
Ok heres the thing,if enel is faster than light even though hes just lighting,then kizaru's gonna be wayyyyy faster than light
Minato can't remove him , like I said , light can travel the globe in 0.13 seconds, you could teleport him anywhere he'd be back in less the time a human can blink
Yes, it’s true. But (as far as we know) Kizaru can’t control his light speed travel like that. Hence why he brought a mirror with him to Sabaody. And still uses boats.
If he tried to go long distances. He’d fling himself off the OP planet, and die of the cold/lack of oxygen/etc…
Not saying he couldn’t make his way back though. Just saying it would be enough time for Minato to rest? And potentially keep doing it- perpetually, until he has an actual solution.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY He didn't bring a mirror with him to saboady? Kizaru uses boats out of preference. Not out of necessity.
You’re actually right. I guess this was Mandela effect. I was referring to the scene where he used yata mirror for the first time, and bounced off all the buildings.
I guess I just thought he was holding an actual mirror Lol.
But still, not much evidence that he could go around the planet & only uses boats for “connivence.” Otherwise? He wouldn’t have sailed to Sabaody (since it was emergency)
And stuff like that. Just not a lot of evidence to say he can control long distance speeds that fast.
First of all flying rajin is a teleporting justu like sasuke's and teleportation is a hax😂🤣🤣 if u don't know how to compare don't compare then
I specially talk about this being Hax in the video? I have no idea where the issue is Lol.
Then in which sense ur saying minato wins at least tell me a proper jutsu through he can defeat kizaru
Minato can hypothetically use Reaper Death Seal, The seal he used on Obito, Flying Raijin, Water, etc… to get around logia powers.
But if you’ll assume chakra/Kyuubi/Sage or any combinations of those- work to neg logia powers.
Then Minato has more win cons obviously.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYThird are u really blind or what?? Bcuz kyuubi mode and sage mode cannot touch the light. Lemme say why u probably didn't study what is light in school 🤣... First to defy a devil fruit u need ocean, sea prism stone or dark dark fruit powers but u can also touch logia type devil fruit by other elements for ex smoke and fire can touch each other during the fight between smoker and Ace it's shown and another example is akainu vs akoiji and it shows that an element can touch other element.But Light exists in tiny packets called photons. Photons have no rest mass and they do not occupy any volume. So light is not an element and not even a matter 🤣😂😂 so there is no way that it can be touched physically so all physical attacks even if it contains chakra cannot harm kizaru. In manga many times it's said that kizaru is as fast as light lemme tell u how fast is a light first its 3 x10^8 per second which is 30 lakh kilometre in one second not min Or hours seconds and light of course cannot travel the whole earth one time in one sec bcuz it can do more than that light can travel 7.5 times around the earth in just one sec... Just open ur eyes and one second is over and ur telling that mianto can do more than that😂😂😂... Can minato travel 7 times around the earth in one second not even with 1 hour and about win counts win counts doesn't matter cuz minato just defeated some noob ninjas and kizaru has better experience bcuz he battled gear 5 luffy, law, kid, and entire worst generations and also the formal navy admiral which was his sensei and still hasn't shown or reached his full potential 🤣 after awakening the DF he will just make minato chocolate donut
@@AbhiramYato somebody finally says it everyone who watches one piece knows Minato is cooked
10:27 this Obito was bleeding out and fighting Madara's control how does this count as a blitz
Madara was not controlling this Obito as far as I am aware. Madara was still an EDO Tensei at this point. So? Minato teleported right in front of one of the fastest characters in the series- and cut him down.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY he was FIGHTING his control. Madara was trying to force Obito to revive him remember?
I do remember this, I don't remember it being in this chapter. Since? He was only being controlled once Zetsu got on him. I may be wrong though.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY that was the second time while he was weak from having the 10 tails removed
Yeah theres no way Minato is touching Kizaru. Just saying "Chakra, Sage Energy, and Bijuu Chakra" doesn't automatically mean that any of those would affect Kizaru. While Minato can regenerate he can't do so forever a constant barrage of laser beams piercing his organs over and over would drain his chakra and Kizaru can spam that without cost. We've never seen a character regenerate their organs if all of them are destroyed at once either. Not that he would need to pierce his organs since a single laser beam through the skull would end the match pretty quickly. Even worse of Kizaru accelerates beyond LS to kick Minato's skull off it's shoulders. What then? I doubt his head regenerates from that. Kurama avatar would be a good defense but it wouldn't protect him for long either. Aside from sealing I don't see anything in Minato's bag being effective here.
I didn’t say Minato could touch Kizaru. I even did two rounds, since I sort of disagree with the notion that he actually could touch him.
(Not fully, since Bjjuu chakra is the literally manifested willpower of tailed beast for example. But I think it’s debatable enough to not say Minato can touch him. Not going to give any false one sided verse equalization.)
And? Yes? Kizaru can damage Minato’s organs- and attack him very quickly with strong attacks. The problem your forgetting- is that Minato isn’t a sitting stone. His speed scaling is in the same league- and he can also teleport. So there’s a good chance he lasts the long haul. Until he gets one of the three win cons I mentioned in the Vid.
Because more than 50% of fights end with a tie IMO- due to Kizaru messing around too much, and Minato in character going for Reaper Death Seal.
I think I’d just say it’s a draw if Minato can’t touch him? Since his sealing is a consistent win con. Ontop of BFR, Water, & Genjutsu- being other options he may figure out, if the fight drags on.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I know you didn't say it I was just giving my thoughts on that.
No worries then, you can pretty much ignore that whole comment.
Logia’s are undoubtedly broken. So it’s always reasonable to give a few takes, based on the different possibilities.
i definitely do not believe minato is equal to minato in terms of speed because people forget minato has seals and have to setup kunai around the field to have an advantage.
Tobirama says that Minato is faster than him. And the Raikage expresses the same sentiment.
This isn’t in reference to his teleportation, or anything like that. They are just separate abilities.
And those statements also ignore KCM2- which is a huge multiplier to both AP & Speed.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY raikage asked his assistant to send him to the battlefield using her LS jutsu if he was LS why is he asking for LS assistance? that doesn't make sense also she said that no one would survive the travel since it would destroy their bodies , i do believe naruto reached LS at least reaction but i would have to do some ignoring to prove minato is LS or ftl without FTG.
Kizaru also says he can only move at the Speed of Light. Many times.
And personally? I think the opinion of one light speed statement (specifically for travel speed) isn’t as valid? As many lightspeed feats and statements (coming from both databooks and the story.)
Such as the Raikage’s assiatant. Saying the Raikage had synapsids that fire off, at the speed of light on panel.
I minato or Naruto could travel at light speed ALL the time , Naruto would have ended way earlier lol , minato without he's teleportation is not that fast , compared to having the ability to do anything at light speed, like minato can't Punch or kick at the speed of light , like there hits are not at light speed , imo , kizaru overwhelms him even with teleportation, light can circle the globe in 0.13 seconds, nobody in Naruto can do that without teleportation, kizaru can , easily
Minato dodged a punch from the Raikage, stated to be Light speed. He’s also faster than Haku, who was stated light speed.
And? The Raikage is stated to be able to think at light speed? So- blitzing him (like Naruto did) would be a “light speed” feat.
I don’t think they can travel that fast necessarily. But in terms of combat speed (how fast they kick, punch, react, etc…)
It’s consistent within their own world.
The problem with war ark reanimation minato is that REANIAMTION he has infinite chakra.
So it’s hard to gauge his real stamina when he’s got infinite, we saw the difference between a 3rd hokage live vs reanimation hiruzen was spamming 😂
Anyways 9 tails plus sage mode is alot of fire power it’s just explosives shouldn’t work against kizaru heck ohnoki particle style shouldn’t do anything as atomic dismantling jutsu is well atomic lvl kizaru is subatomic (also Enel ) 😂
I don’t see minato landing anything unless kizaru is flat out not using observation but for him to keep up with a snakeman LUFFY the same one that was countering hybrid kaido 💀
Add the fact that it’s now confirmed he can accelerate light itself,
Idk kizaru doesn’t have much for him minato litterally had nothing till end war.
Let’s see I have a feeling kizaru got a crazy bag.
If he’s capable of having the same stamina of aokiji and akainu 10 day fight or spam his sacred jewl for 24/7 then id give him the w
It’s just hard to believe madara using a light attack against six paths naruto who barely dodged it madara completely thrashing this same minato just don’t see it 😂
Kizaru one shots
ogh you op fan girls .
@@mrtasin2171hes not wrong ibr
@@dx0523 how he one shots
Minato scales with the nine tails base he was able to clash his rasangon with a tail beast bomb from karama his self way before he got kcm. Minato is smart af it would have taken someone a long time to figure out obitos Kamui it took Minato a few seconds to figure out how to take him out then go deal with karama all in the same day. To say Kizaru is stronger then Minato is interesting because again
Karama is planetary and so was madara. Help me if I’m wrong who’s planetary in op? Best I’ve seen was mountain level to island level attacks.
We have more details on Minato then Kizaru we have basic stuff on him while Minato he have a bunch of stuff (side note you guys didn’t read Minato’s book yall should check that out)
Minato probably doesn’t scale to the full Nine Tails, despite clashing with it. For a few reasons.
The biggest of which, is that pretty consistently. The Nine tails within it’s weird mind dimension (where minato fought it.) Is very consistently portrayed as weak.
Start of Shippuden Sasuke suppressed it, Sage Naruto beat it up after uncaging it, young Minato clashed with it, and adult Minato suppressed it.
This is? As opposed to its full release. Where straight up, it kills Minato. And fights hashirama.
Don’t know why it’s like this, but it is lol.
I do agree with Minato’s Intelligence though. He’s a top 5 in the verse no doing.
As for strength? I think they’re about even, and the editor favors Kizaru.
For One Piece Planet Level/Multi-Continental scaling though.
It basically comes from Whitebeard statements, Blackbeard statements, Upscaling from a continent being split on panel, Ancient weapons statements, and Luffy’s Bajrang Gun.
You can check out our Luffy Vs Naruto video for more on that, if you’d like. But really any of our Luffy videos will cover his scaling.
We do have way more on Minato though Kizaru as of right now though. So take that how you will.
And? We have indeed read the Minato One Shot. Though? I don’t know if there’s another book you’re talking about.
W video
Always appreciate it. Thanks!
1600 67 likes your losing the argument.
The bias here is insane
IMO kizaru beats base and sage mode minato but I think KCM2 beats kizaru. Also I definitely think chakra and chakra attacks can hit logia’s
I really don’t think G5 luffy would be able to win against minato…. And for the people who think that future sight gives op character an advantage they are wrong we have seen that even an immature sharingan had better pre-cog than most of the future site..users…and an MS fugaku was stated to be an equal for minato….he was the same person who even itachi feared…..
Naruto fan for sure
@@fuzzo2734 nah brother I’m op fan but you see I’m not like the rest of you guys, sure as an anime, writing, world building One Piece is the best but when it comes to power naruto verse takes it…..
@@RohitNikam-ps2zj I don’t think agree at all that the verse is stronger but even if you think the verse is stronger to think that minato stands a chance against g5 that’s something I just can’t agree with g5 has far better hax physical stats and feats to put him well above minato
One Piece goes back and forth as My Favorite anime. (Hence why I have so much content on it.)
But, I will say. Immature Sharingan < Observation Haki
@@TUCKALMIGHTY if we’re counting just gear 5 alone, if somehow someway minato could survive/outlast a gear 5 sure it’s maybe closer.
But if Luffy can use base - g5 the fight won’t be close at all
We know that Luffy can tank 10+ baro breath which are shown to incinerate anything it touches so I think Luffy can tank loads of tailed beast bomb/rasengan before forcing him to even use future sight
Not to mention using armament/ryuo haki for defense aswell as seeing the attack coming
Luffy is immune to blunt force attacks and can make his surroundings rubbery to mitigate damage aswell as turning people and energy into rubber
G4 boundman grants him tons more strength, flight and even more resistance to blunt force attacks even with haki (doffy fight)
And Snakeman greatly increases his speed far beyond the base/g2 Luffy that’s able to react to a ftl++ thunder bagua