A warning about the cheaper S-Video cables you mentioned. If you get the ones that have a yellow composite cable as well, those are often not "true" S-Video. Those just send the composite signal to S-Video as well. So spend a bit more and get a "true" S-Video cable. I made this mistake when I first got into S-Video.
Fair enough. I feel this one cleaned it up fairly well but if I find one that is S-Video only I will definitely scoop it up. Thanks for watching and for your advice! 🙌
Thank you! I was surprised at how clear and often find in comparison videos - especially screen capture - it's hard to see what the difference is. Thanks for watching!
Hi, I haven't yet bought an HDMI adapter like an Eon or did the mod to HDMI, mostly because I have a bunch of CRTs available. I would consider an RGB / component mod though, but nothing yet. Let me know if you've seen any you like!
There *were* Nintendo S-Video cables, but there weren't very many produced so they go for a lot of money. It's a shame that most people in the US settled for composite until HD took over.
I find these S-Video cables to provide a decent output. You're right about the Game Cube and its component cable, I was lucky to find a used one for cheap about 10 years ago 👍
If your screen is high enough quality, S-Vid is good enough. Component or RGB adds very little improvement in clarity, it begins to be more about color space (brighter) in which sometimes RGB users have to tone it down to match S-Vid's brightness. Sometimes colors that you have never seen originally will appear on RGB, and some folks find it ugly or almost as if it shouldn't really be there.
I agree - in all cases it's user preference, and I'm certainly pleased with the output provided by S-Video here than to bother trying to modify the console to component output. The S-Video here shines and helps clear up the picture enough for my liking. Thanks for watching 👍
You can also mod the N64 for analogue component output as well. But it takes a bit of soldering and building some 3D sculpture on the board with resistors, etc...
Very nice video! Gaming on a CRT is (in my opinion) defenitely the best way to game on these consoles, and its really nice if it has alot of inputs like S-video, component etc! As a fact I have one of if not the first CRT with separate luminance and chrominance (basically S-Video but in RCA form) and that is the Commodore 1702/1701 monitor from around 1983! Again very nice video with great detail!
Thank you! Definitely love playing on CRTs and I find this JVC AV-32432 to be fantastic 😊 The Commodore monitor is truly a marvel, I was blown away first time I saw one! I got one recently and show it in this short clip here playing Wheel of Fortune ruclips.net/user/shortssdWakI2F_aE?feature=share
I have an AVS and Super NT for modern TV's, Analogue 3D is ordered. On my CRT I use composite for NES and SNES, ordered S-video for the 64, and component from digital output on the GameCube.
Goldeneye and especially Resident Evil 2 (using the expansion pack) look sublime on my N64 through my new Insurrection Industries S-video cable (back in stock for now) connected from my Retrotink 5X to my LG gaming monitor.
Oh wow, that's quite the setup! I haven't yet tried a Retrotink (didn't realize they were at 5X now) but am familiar with how fantastic they are. It's amazing what they were able to do with Resident Evil 2 on the cartridge alone so great to hear it looks good too 👍
@@SvennyMcG Agreed! Fitting the whole RE 2 game onto the N64 cartridge was incredible back then. The loading times, if I can recall, were much faster on the N64 cartridge than the PS One version. I find it funny how the original NTSC Super Nintendo system, along with the Sega Genesis 1 and 2 consoles, was capable of RGB video without mods. While the N64 could only do S-video at best.
Just got an insurrection industries s video cable. Didn't even know those were a thing. Plan on using it directly into my 24 inch flat screen Sanyo CRT which has s video and component inputs 😊.
You'll have to check the input / output on your VCR; check to see if it has composite in and RF out. Some have the ability to "modulate" the composite signal to RF but can also "demodulate" an RF signal into composite (basically the opposite of what you're asking).
It's funny how your camera captures the high frequency buzzing from your crt😂😂 it really brings me back to my childhood as i haven't touched a crt since then
Would an RGB SCART version (like the one for the Super Nintendo one) be a good alternative? I bought the super Nintendo SCART cable cuz my PAL n64 doesn’t have S-video from what I’ve heard.
Very cool! Unfortunately I'm not that well versed in SCART but I imagine that it must provide a better output here; even if the N64 does not output native RGB I imagine the SCART will at least separate the signals similarly to S-Video. If you notice a difference please let me know!
Being in the UK and knowing a bit about this, the original Super Nintendo in the UK (probably much of the PAL world as well) could handle S-Video and RGB via the Multi out. Later models may have been without either or both. The N64 in PAL doesn't support RGB at all, except for France due to their SECAM system but PAL N64 does support S-Video, certainly in the earlier consoles. One thing to be aware, The RGB and S-Video out from an NTSC console is different from a PAL console, both with Super Nintendo and the N64. I have both NTSC and PAL versions of each console. A proper N64 S-video cable has different capacitor values inside for PAL and NTSC. Use a NTSC on a PAL and vice versa the image is too bright or dark or vice versa. Many cheaper S-video cables miss the capacitors entirely meaning the output is the wrong level. A correctly matched cable looks much better. The RGB cable on the SNES is also different in a similar way, though, due to the NTSC and PAL pinouts being slightly different, you could cause damage if the wrong version is used, C-Sync pin on NTSC Snes is 11V on PAL Snes for the SCART switching, as well as different resistor/capacitor values in the cable.
Consensus seems to be back & forth - I agree that there's less opportunity for interference but at the same time this cable worked well and others have confirmed success as well. If I had a choice to purchase one or the other, yes, I'd opt to grab one without if it was the same price
I still have the old purple Monster S-video cable that works on SNES and N64. Old Monster analog video cable, especially S-Video and component video, would outperform generic video cable of the same type. Mainly because they shielded their cables properly. Monster video 2 cable would have better shielding than generic zip cord. Monster Video 3 cables would have better shielding, but also nitrogen gas injected into the dielectric, to maintain exact 75-ohm impedance (what is needed for an analog video cable) even when the cable was bent. So the picture would have sharper picture, better colour sat. and better black levels. With the old composite video, it was hard to see much difference from a zip cord composite video, except for maybe better black level and contrast. Sadly, the purple monster s-video audio RCA connectors grip way too tightly, and the video and audio cord is a bit short for connecting to an upscaler like Retrotink 2X Classic or even Retrotink 5X. Maybe the solution is to get a 1 meter Monster video 3 s-video cable (which has nitrogen gas dielectric) and s-video coupler, with Monster 400 audio interlinks (which will have good shielding) on ebay to extend the cable ends. But that is too complicated and expensive.
That sounds awesome, especially being able to preserve the original output in its highest format and adding a Retrotink to heighten the output. I haven't priced it all but with Monster cables + Retrotink I wonder when it becomes more worthwhile to explore a digital output option for an HDTV; they can be costly and intensive but may be worthwhile too
@@SvennyMcG There are some who believe that with SNES, s-video looks sharper and brighter than component video. Especially the later 1chip SNES revision which had improved video quality over the original, or launch version. The HD Retro SNES Component video cable is a very good cable, but it doesn't look any sharper than the S-video cable video. Just a bit better, slightly more blurry colour, and less visible artifacts and interference lines. Component video is just dumbed down RGB, very similar to VGA, but more compressed. So most retro gamers would be happy hooking the SNES (and N64) up with Retrotink2X Mini and a true S-video. cable. Maybe that is why all the good S-video cables (like Insurrection, RGC) are sold out everywhere.
Ive noticed some tvs do compiste better than others. My 27" panasonic curved crt does composite pretty poorly compared to my parents 32" curved JVC. Just got a few s video for 2usd a pop on ali express. Gamecube looks great! Waiting for and ed64 plus cart to give n64 a go
I completely agree, some really shine compared to others. I recently tried an early 2000s RCA CRT and I was shocked how sharp the picture was, even compared to a JVC or Sony Trinitron. Definitely need to check out an ed64 or EverDrive
Yep there are indeed Nintendo brand s video cables specifically for the super nintendo. I know, I imported one for 100$ from Japan. And they work on n64 and probably gamecube too
@SvennyMcG yea specifically the 001 models. I have 2 silver ones of those and I use the insurrection industries hdmi adapter, games look amazing in 480p, I want to try the gamecube on my crt with that Nintendo brand s video cable. The snes and n64 look amazing through s video on a crt!
I was fortunate to get the Nintendo Game Cube composite cable at a local pawn shop 😊 The 480p definitely looks fantastic. But yes, the S-Video is definitely great on the SNES and N64 and definitely my preferred way to play on a CRT 👍
Thank you for watching! The N64 doesn't have component out natively but there are definitely mods available, I just haven't done any yet myself. The website RetroRGB shows RGB mods and various boards available 👍
I've decided to go back to original hardware. I play on a CRT television and I have original Nintendo s video cables on my Super Nintendo and my Nintendo 64. I just need one more, for my GameCube.
This is where I'm at too, gathering CRTs and original hardware. I have original cartridges on hand (not all, of course) but multi-carts are a nice edition too
Thanks for doing this comparison, I have Japanese N64 but this one isn't RGB enabled. I'm using a composite to scart into my HDTV which is fine but want to try svideo for better picture. I prefer a direct hook to tv because alot of these USB powered converters are often a let down for N64, Doom 64 is the worse offender.
My insurrection industries s video cable came yesterday and I plugged it in my N64. Tried two games and honestly, I can see a difference though it isn't major. Doom 64 especially. It's a bit brighter, the colors seem to pop a bit more, and the N64s graphics seem to be a bit less blurry. I have it plugged into a 24 inch Sanyo CRT. Not a bad TV, image looks fine, but I know there's better CRT brands like Toshiba and Panasonic. Overall for 30 bucks the cable works well and is great quality!
Good question, but unfortunately not one I can readily answer unfortunately. I would like to think that as it's passing through to HDMI it would pull the black & white and colour signals of S-Video as well to create the best signal possible
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind! S-Video isn't that popular on HDTVs (not saying it doesn't exist, just not extremely popular) so I'll see if I have any to compare. Thanks for watching!
is this an old TV? I dont think you find S-VIDEO on TV nowdays. for unmodded N64, then you need to convert the S-VIDEO to HDMI with a converter....those do not seem to be consistent with quality. great vid
Thanks for watching! Yes, S-Video is the best you can get from an N64 with an RGB mod, HDMI mod or using an HDMI adapter like the EON. And yes, it's definitely not a popular format to find on a flat screen TV today 😊
The only selling point of RGB (over S video) in my opinion is deblur. I’d take the blurry pixels over the dithering though, I’ve alway like the smooth muddy look of n64 games. Plus it hides some imperfections which is a good thing in my opinion. S video is a massive leap in clarity, and RGB for the price and all that jazz is not that much worth it to me.
I agree, especially in that the N64 simply wasn't meant to be as clear as some HD cables provide. S-Video has been absolutely satisfactory in my opinion 👍 Thanks for watching
Unfortunately this one is nameless, it's not a first party Nintendo cable nor is it otherwise labeled anywhere 🤔 For a random third-party cable I do appreciate its output so if you're interested I would try a third-party one and see if you like it too, especially if it's a decent price
trying to find a comparison on an rgb subpixel lcd because what looks good on a crt wildly varies with what type it is. props on you for just getting close with a camera though instead of 2 different tvbs at a distance or with a capture card adding another layer of filtering out to do
Thanks! I know exactly what you mean and sometimes it's difficult to see what the presenter sees in their videos so I thought this approach worked - appreciate the feedback! And I agree, sometimes what's good for an LCD isn't what's best on a CRT and vice versa
On an hd tv the difference seems even more than on a crt tv on retroarch i often have fun comparing the composite and s video shaders with a crt filter or none and the s video wins all the way✌
IMHO I don't generally see much of a difference. Gold plating is the best for connectivity but I feel like we're really only going to clean up the 480i output to a point it's not worth investing that much in. I don't think these cables were pricey and I'm happy enough with the output 😊
Copper and aluminum is more conductive than gold. Gold is more of a way to trick consumers to spend more money because it looks pretty. Using copper insulated wires is more important than gold contacts.
You are correct, copper is indeed a better conductor 👍 The only connectivity "advantage" with gold is it doesn't tarnish/rust/oxidize, so it's connection points shouldn't fail. Still, it's not often your copper cables fail and even then, they can generally be cleaned
That was my assumption, that they have one but it's fairly uncommon and that rarity coupled with the Nintendo name brand would result in an inflated price
When it comes to NES on a CRT, it's RF all the way. Late 80's/early 90's nostalgia aside, i prefer RF solely because of the softer image which makes characters and environments look more rounder/softer and cartoon-like. Once you bump it up to composite, the character sprites wind up looking a little more artificial and sharper. But once you get to SNES & Genesis, Composite is the winner. S-Video is too crisp/clear for my liking. :P As far as PS1, N64 & Saturn go. I've never tried anything beyond composite. Curious to see how S-Video and Retrovision's Component cables look in comparison, IN person, on a Sony WEGA CRT. I'm not entirely sure if sharpening up the image will do those ugly basic 3D polygons any favours. To have all the benefits of Retrovision's component cables, like zero color bleeding, richer vibrant colours, deeper blacks and better contrast, but with the softness of Composite would be great. But it's totally component(Or S-video) for Dreamcast, GameCube & Wii. Couldn't imagine going back to composite with those 3, especially GCN & Wii.
All excellent points and nothing I can or want to dispute. For me, the RF was king on NES and that nostalgia is usually the winner 🏆 I haven't delved into the RetroVision cables but I've heard good things; for SNES, N64 & PS1 I recently started using S-Video. I was fortunate to get the Nintendo component cables for Game Cube and it certainly makes a difference 👍
@@SvennyMcG Thanks! Yup, RF totally tickles the nostalgia heart strings. And going from Composite to S-Video for the first time on Gamecube with F-Zero GX and Resident Evil 4 had my jaw hitting the floor back in the early to mid 2000's, on my 32" Sony WEGA trinitron CRT. I had no idea what an S-Video cable even was prior to that. And then of course, shifting over to component with Wii which edges S-Video out with colour, contrast etc was really nice. Obviously nowhere near the leap going from S-Video to composite, but still a worthwhile upgrade and an obvious to-go-to for the the GCN, PS2 & XBOX generation. Currently, I'm stuck with a lousier 27" 1999 Sanyo CRT for my old school consoles. Waiting for a 90's Sony Trinitron CRT to pop up on MP, so i can swap and make the upgrade. Those 2005 Sony WEGA's are far easier to find, even though they're not as common as they were 5-10 years ago. Yet the silver boxy bezel is a better fit for SD 2000's consoles like the Gamecube & Wii. Gotta have that black 90's bezel for all things retro, even if I'm limited to S-Video for that legit old school authenticity. ;)
i got an authentic n64 s video cable from ebay japan but the douchebags sent me a cable with a missing ground pin specifically pin #2. be careful when buying used s video cables, some may have missing/broken pins. i didn’t want to bother shipping it back because its overseas and wasted more money for a new insurrection industries s video cable. hopefully its good, even with the missing pin it still works but im concerned im not getting the best out of the broken cable
Do not use an Eon. ...if you are willing to pay that kind of money, a true HDMI mod, is worth your while, with better results. Also, their are RGBs mods for the Nintendo 64.
If I were to upgrade, the RGB mod would likely be my choice for sure, especially since I don't plan on getting rid of my CRTs anytime soon 👍 The only nice thing about the Eon is its convenient plug and play capability which is helpful for the average consumer.
@@SvennyMcG True, but another solution RetroTink 2X-mini is a "plug-and-play solution" delivers the exact same result, at almost half the price of an m cable. \(•-•`)/
S-video is the knock off one and it clearly is better than the A/V composite. S-video simply is better even it being a knock off one. Thats like me saying the normal factory A/V cable looks better than some non-nintendo branded upscaler. Obviously the upscaler is going to look good regardless of it being “knock off” because its made to look better than the stock one. You should be worried about the longevity of the off brand cable most of all.
I don't have an official Nintendo brand S-Video cable to compare this cable against but I still like this cable and think it does a great job. I think it showcases that it produces a cleaner picture than composite
There are official Nintendo S video cables. They were made for the SNES and the Snes, N64 and GameCube can use it because it's the same kind of port. I have one of them myself.
Awesome! I haven't yet found an official S-Video cable though I'm fortunate to have the official component cables for the Game Cube digital port 👍 You are correct though, I could use this S-Video cable on the multi out port of the GC. Thanks for watching!
A warning about the cheaper S-Video cables you mentioned. If you get the ones that have a yellow composite cable as well, those are often not "true" S-Video. Those just send the composite signal to S-Video as well. So spend a bit more and get a "true" S-Video cable. I made this mistake when I first got into S-Video.
Thanks for the info! What did you see different with "true" S-Video cables? Better colour range? Greater black to white range?
@@SvennyMcG the cheaper ones have the same problems as composite, basically. They don't separate color and contrast very well.
Fair enough. I feel this one cleaned it up fairly well but if I find one that is S-Video only I will definitely scoop it up. Thanks for watching and for your advice! 🙌
Thanks for that heads up
I have a cable with S-Video and composite pins and the signal from S-Video is perfect, much better than the yellow pin.
This is an excellent comparison, I never knew the difference could be that noticable!
Thank you! I was surprised at how clear and often find in comparison videos - especially screen capture - it's hard to see what the difference is. Thanks for watching!
There is a first-party S-Video cable for the SNES/N64/GameCube, the model number is SHVC-009.
Great info, thank you! 🙏
I've got my s video cables in the way. I've also ordered a s video to HDMI converter.
Awesome! I found the S-Video to make a significant difference here 👍
have you made any mod on your nintendo 64 to work with hdmi converter?
And which converter did you buy?
Hi, I haven't yet bought an HDMI adapter like an Eon or did the mod to HDMI, mostly because I have a bunch of CRTs available. I would consider an RGB / component mod though, but nothing yet. Let me know if you've seen any you like!
There *were* Nintendo S-Video cables, but there weren't very many produced so they go for a lot of money. It's a shame that most people in the US settled for composite until HD took over.
I hear you, I wasn't sure but sounds like the same situation with the Game Cube Component Cables 👍
I find these S-Video cables to provide a decent output. You're right about the Game Cube and its component cable, I was lucky to find a used one for cheap about 10 years ago 👍
If your screen is high enough quality, S-Vid is good enough. Component or RGB adds very little improvement in clarity, it begins to be more about color space (brighter) in which sometimes RGB users have to tone it down to match S-Vid's brightness. Sometimes colors that you have never seen originally will appear on RGB, and some folks find it ugly or almost as if it shouldn't really be there.
I agree - in all cases it's user preference, and I'm certainly pleased with the output provided by S-Video here than to bother trying to modify the console to component output. The S-Video here shines and helps clear up the picture enough for my liking. Thanks for watching 👍
Thats a really good point, this old consoles where designed around RF/composite/s-video in most part
Absolutely- they can be modified to output Component but they weren't inherently designed to be viewed with Component
You can also mod the N64 for analogue component output as well.
But it takes a bit of soldering and building some 3D sculpture on the board with resistors, etc...
Thanks! I may eventually look in to the component mod or perhaps the HDMI mod 👍
It's easier mod to RGB signal and then use a scart cable
Very nice video! Gaming on a CRT is (in my opinion) defenitely the best way to game on these consoles, and its really nice if it has alot of inputs like S-video, component etc! As a fact I have one of if not the first CRT with separate luminance and chrominance (basically S-Video but in RCA form) and that is the Commodore 1702/1701 monitor from around 1983! Again very nice video with great detail!
Thank you! Definitely love playing on CRTs and I find this JVC AV-32432 to be fantastic 😊 The Commodore monitor is truly a marvel, I was blown away first time I saw one! I got one recently and show it in this short clip here playing Wheel of Fortune
ruclips.net/user/shortssdWakI2F_aE?feature=share
I have an AVS and Super NT for modern TV's, Analogue 3D is ordered. On my CRT I use composite for NES and SNES, ordered S-video for the 64, and component from digital output on the GameCube.
That's excellent! Sounds like you really sorted through all of the best outputs to maximize your gaming displays, well done 👏
Goldeneye and especially Resident Evil 2 (using the expansion pack) look sublime on my N64 through my new Insurrection Industries S-video cable (back in stock for now) connected from my Retrotink 5X to my LG gaming monitor.
Oh wow, that's quite the setup! I haven't yet tried a Retrotink (didn't realize they were at 5X now) but am familiar with how fantastic they are. It's amazing what they were able to do with Resident Evil 2 on the cartridge alone so great to hear it looks good too 👍
@@SvennyMcG Agreed! Fitting the whole RE 2 game onto the N64 cartridge was incredible back then. The loading times, if I can recall, were much faster on the N64 cartridge than the PS One version.
I find it funny how the original NTSC Super Nintendo system, along with the Sega Genesis 1 and 2 consoles, was capable of RGB video without mods. While the N64 could only do S-video at best.
I agree, it's crazy that 240p output is simply a series of cables for its earlier predecessors while the N64 needs a mod to achieve it!
Just got an insurrection industries s video cable. Didn't even know those were a thing. Plan on using it directly into my 24 inch flat screen Sanyo CRT which has s video and component inputs 😊.
I have an old magnavox crt tv with only a coaxial input and a Sony vcr. Is there anyway to connect Nintendo64 to VCR to Tv?
I have Nintendo multi out cable but don’t have rf adaptor.
You'll have to check the input / output on your VCR; check to see if it has composite in and RF out. Some have the ability to "modulate" the composite signal to RF but can also "demodulate" an RF signal into composite (basically the opposite of what you're asking).
It's funny how your camera captures the high frequency buzzing from your crt😂😂 it really brings me back to my childhood as i haven't touched a crt since then
😅 I can still hear it when I'm close but not as much now that I'm older; it's always funny to see my kids wince though when I power one on 😉
I have magical tetris. It's one of the few western released games that was on the n64 arcade system.
It's fun and such a great looking game on the console 👍
Would an RGB SCART version (like the one for the Super Nintendo one) be a good alternative? I bought the super Nintendo SCART cable cuz my PAL n64 doesn’t have S-video from what I’ve heard.
Very cool! Unfortunately I'm not that well versed in SCART but I imagine that it must provide a better output here; even if the N64 does not output native RGB I imagine the SCART will at least separate the signals similarly to S-Video. If you notice a difference please let me know!
@@SvennyMcG ok
@@SvennyMcG it didn’t work so I’m gonna try S-video cuz I did more research and it does work for PAL
Being in the UK and knowing a bit about this, the original Super Nintendo in the UK (probably much of the PAL world as well) could handle S-Video and RGB via the Multi out. Later models may have been without either or both. The N64 in PAL doesn't support RGB at all, except for France due to their SECAM system but PAL N64 does support S-Video, certainly in the earlier consoles.
One thing to be aware, The RGB and S-Video out from an NTSC console is different from a PAL console, both with Super Nintendo and the N64. I have both NTSC and PAL versions of each console. A proper N64 S-video cable has different capacitor values inside for PAL and NTSC. Use a NTSC on a PAL and vice versa the image is too bright or dark or vice versa. Many cheaper S-video cables miss the capacitors entirely meaning the output is the wrong level. A correctly matched cable looks much better.
The RGB cable on the SNES is also different in a similar way, though, due to the NTSC and PAL pinouts being slightly different, you could cause damage if the wrong version is used, C-Sync pin on NTSC Snes is 11V on PAL Snes for the SCART switching, as well as different resistor/capacitor values in the cable.
@@andrewhannay750 awesome! Thank you for bringing your insight into this 😊👍 And thanks for watching
can i connect my nintendo 64 to my laptop screen ?
You never want an S-video cable that has composite with it.👍
Consensus seems to be back & forth - I agree that there's less opportunity for interference but at the same time this cable worked well and others have confirmed success as well. If I had a choice to purchase one or the other, yes, I'd opt to grab one without if it was the same price
Do you still have your Sony Trinitron Wega (was this an FV17? I am not sure) in your gaming set-up?
I do! I'm moving around consoles (especially with the Toshiba in play) but yes, KV-27FV17
S video is almost as good as component cable, i use svideo with my upscaler audio receiver and looks very good
Thanks for watching! I was very happy with how great this looked 😊
3:23 that's just interlacing flicker, nothing to do with chroma/luma
Could be! If so, it's interesting that the interlacing flicker is more prominent on composite than S-Video
I still have the old purple Monster S-video cable that works on SNES and N64. Old Monster analog video cable, especially S-Video and component video, would outperform generic video cable of the same type. Mainly because they shielded their cables properly. Monster video 2 cable would have better shielding than generic zip cord.
Monster Video 3 cables would have better shielding, but also nitrogen gas injected into the dielectric, to maintain exact 75-ohm impedance (what is needed for an analog video cable) even when the cable was bent. So the picture would have sharper picture, better colour sat. and better black levels. With the old composite video, it was hard to see much difference from a zip cord composite video, except for maybe better black level and contrast.
Sadly, the purple monster s-video audio RCA connectors grip way too tightly, and the video and audio cord is a bit short for connecting to an upscaler like Retrotink 2X Classic or even Retrotink 5X.
Maybe the solution is to get a 1 meter Monster video 3 s-video cable (which has nitrogen gas dielectric) and s-video coupler, with Monster 400 audio interlinks (which will have good shielding) on ebay to extend the cable ends. But that is too complicated and expensive.
That sounds awesome, especially being able to preserve the original output in its highest format and adding a Retrotink to heighten the output. I haven't priced it all but with Monster cables + Retrotink I wonder when it becomes more worthwhile to explore a digital output option for an HDTV; they can be costly and intensive but may be worthwhile too
@@SvennyMcG There are some who believe that with SNES, s-video looks sharper and brighter than component video. Especially the later 1chip SNES revision which had improved video quality over the original, or launch version.
The HD Retro SNES Component video cable is a very good cable, but it doesn't look any sharper than the S-video cable video. Just a bit better, slightly more blurry colour, and less visible artifacts and interference lines.
Component video is just dumbed down RGB, very similar to VGA, but more compressed.
So most retro gamers would be happy hooking the SNES (and N64) up with Retrotink2X Mini and a true S-video.
cable.
Maybe that is why all the good S-video cables (like Insurrection, RGC) are sold out everywhere.
Good comparison! Even Retrotink can be hard to acquire at times too. Thanks for the insight 👍
Hi, is it also possible to use a scart block with a s video?
Ive noticed some tvs do compiste better than others. My 27" panasonic curved crt does composite pretty poorly compared to my parents 32" curved JVC. Just got a few s video for 2usd a pop on ali express. Gamecube looks great! Waiting for and ed64 plus cart to give n64 a go
I completely agree, some really shine compared to others. I recently tried an early 2000s RCA CRT and I was shocked how sharp the picture was, even compared to a JVC or Sony Trinitron. Definitely need to check out an ed64 or EverDrive
Yep there are indeed Nintendo brand s video cables specifically for the super nintendo. I know, I imported one for 100$ from Japan. And they work on n64 and probably gamecube too
Awesome! Yeah I'm sure they'd work well on those consoles too 😊👍
You're right. All three share the same cable
Many Game Cubes have the additional Digital Out port, which if you get the Component Cables or an HDMI option sure look sharp with supported games
@SvennyMcG yea specifically the 001 models. I have 2 silver ones of those and I use the insurrection industries hdmi adapter, games look amazing in 480p, I want to try the gamecube on my crt with that Nintendo brand s video cable. The snes and n64 look amazing through s video on a crt!
I was fortunate to get the Nintendo Game Cube composite cable at a local pawn shop 😊 The 480p definitely looks fantastic.
But yes, the S-Video is definitely great on the SNES and N64 and definitely my preferred way to play on a CRT 👍
Thanks for the video bro. My tv has component outlet. Is there a way to convert the original composite n64 cable to component ? Many thanks
Thank you for watching! The N64 doesn't have component out natively but there are definitely mods available, I just haven't done any yet myself. The website RetroRGB shows RGB mods and various boards available 👍
@@SvennyMcG I decided to buy the kaico n64 because is more budget friendly! Let's see how it goes :D
Please let me know how it goes! Best of luck on the install, hope it goes smoothly 👍
Nice video, thank you very much
Thank you for watching! 😊
Artifacting… never heard that term but instantly understood what it meant. Great word
😊 Thanks for watching!
I've decided to go back to original hardware. I play on a CRT television and I have original Nintendo s video cables on my Super Nintendo and my Nintendo 64. I just need one more, for my GameCube.
This is where I'm at too, gathering CRTs and original hardware. I have original cartridges on hand (not all, of course) but multi-carts are a nice edition too
Thanks for doing this comparison, I have Japanese N64 but this one isn't RGB enabled. I'm using a composite to scart into my HDTV which is fine but want to try svideo for better picture. I prefer a direct hook to tv because alot of these USB powered converters are often a let down for N64, Doom 64 is the worse offender.
My insurrection industries s video cable came yesterday and I plugged it in my N64. Tried two games and honestly, I can see a difference though it isn't major. Doom 64 especially. It's a bit brighter, the colors seem to pop a bit more, and the N64s graphics seem to be a bit less blurry. I have it plugged into a 24 inch Sanyo CRT. Not a bad TV, image looks fine, but I know there's better CRT brands like Toshiba and Panasonic. Overall for 30 bucks the cable works well and is great quality!
D-video VS Components VS HDMI Converter? Thx for video!
That would certainly make for a comparison! See what I can do in the future 😊 Thanks for watching!
i use s video on my CRT it's looks sharper to me much cleaner I can't revert back to the other
I agree, I think the S-Video looks great on my CRT as well 👍 Thanks for watching
Question: Does the Super EON 64 pull from the Composite signal or the S-Video signal?
Good question, but unfortunately not one I can readily answer unfortunately. I would like to think that as it's passing through to HDMI it would pull the black & white and colour signals of S-Video as well to create the best signal possible
What is your N64 serial number?
I'm not sure and not home to check - why do you want to know?
@@SvennyMcG Because not all n64 support S-VIDEO. In fact, the serial number on n64 is the model. Just bad naming.
Okay cool, I wondered if that was the case but was only a hunch, I hadn't heard that. I'll have to check it out 👍
WHERE CAN I BUY THESE BRAND NEW?
I have an Amazon link in the description 😊👍
Btw nice video and you won another subscriber👍😎
Thank you so much for your support, appreciate it! 🙌
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As a video idea you could do the same with your hd tv and compare with your crt with the two cables😎👍
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind! S-Video isn't that popular on HDTVs (not saying it doesn't exist, just not extremely popular) so I'll see if I have any to compare. Thanks for watching!
is this an old TV? I dont think you find S-VIDEO on TV nowdays. for unmodded N64, then you need to convert the S-VIDEO to HDMI with a converter....those do not seem to be consistent with quality. great vid
Thanks for watching! Yes, S-Video is the best you can get from an N64 with an RGB mod, HDMI mod or using an HDMI adapter like the EON. And yes, it's definitely not a popular format to find on a flat screen TV today 😊
Wait… s video out of the n64 only works with and rgb mod????
Component output only works with the RGB mod - S-Video is still able to be achieved without modification 😊
The only selling point of RGB (over S video) in my opinion is deblur. I’d take the blurry pixels over the dithering though, I’ve alway like the smooth muddy look of n64 games. Plus it hides some imperfections which is a good thing in my opinion. S video is a massive leap in clarity, and RGB for the price and all that jazz is not that much worth it to me.
I agree, especially in that the N64 simply wasn't meant to be as clear as some HD cables provide. S-Video has been absolutely satisfactory in my opinion 👍
Thanks for watching
What cable were you using bro?
Unfortunately this one is nameless, it's not a first party Nintendo cable nor is it otherwise labeled anywhere 🤔 For a random third-party cable I do appreciate its output so if you're interested I would try a third-party one and see if you like it too, especially if it's a decent price
trying to find a comparison on an rgb subpixel lcd because what looks good on a crt wildly varies with what type it is.
props on you for just getting close with a camera though instead of 2 different tvbs at a distance or with a capture card adding another layer of filtering out to do
Thanks! I know exactly what you mean and sometimes it's difficult to see what the presenter sees in their videos so I thought this approach worked - appreciate the feedback!
And I agree, sometimes what's good for an LCD isn't what's best on a CRT and vice versa
On an hd tv the difference seems even more than on a crt tv on retroarch i often have fun comparing the composite and s video shaders with a crt filter or none and the s video wins all the way✌
Definitely have me interested in checking it out! Thanks 👍
Nintendo did make a first party S video cable but they are rare and expensive
Yeah, it does seem like it's an uncommon item - I don't think I've seen one before and I even have a Game Cube component cable 🤔
@@SvennyMcG I've only seen them in eBay listings.
I'm trying to buy an S-video cable for my N64 but is there really a difference between the ones you got and the gold plated ones?
IMHO I don't generally see much of a difference. Gold plating is the best for connectivity but I feel like we're really only going to clean up the 480i output to a point it's not worth investing that much in. I don't think these cables were pricey and I'm happy enough with the output 😊
@@SvennyMcG thanks buddy!!
Thanks for watching! 🙌
Copper and aluminum is more conductive than gold. Gold is more of a way to trick consumers to spend more money because it looks pretty. Using copper insulated wires is more important than gold contacts.
You are correct, copper is indeed a better conductor 👍 The only connectivity "advantage" with gold is it doesn't tarnish/rust/oxidize, so it's connection points shouldn't fail. Still, it's not often your copper cables fail and even then, they can generally be cleaned
Nintendo branded S Video cables are quite uncommon, and may cost $50 or more. I’ve seen the pricing make me come to that conclusion.
That was my assumption, that they have one but it's fairly uncommon and that rarity coupled with the Nintendo name brand would result in an inflated price
cool!
Thanks for watching! 😊🙏
When it comes to NES on a CRT, it's RF all the way. Late 80's/early 90's nostalgia aside, i prefer RF solely because of the softer image which makes characters and environments look more rounder/softer and cartoon-like. Once you bump it up to composite, the character sprites wind up looking a little more artificial and sharper. But once you get to SNES & Genesis, Composite is the winner. S-Video is too crisp/clear for my liking. :P
As far as PS1, N64 & Saturn go. I've never tried anything beyond composite. Curious to see how S-Video and Retrovision's Component cables look in comparison, IN person, on a Sony WEGA CRT. I'm not entirely sure if sharpening up the image will do those ugly basic 3D polygons any favours. To have all the benefits of Retrovision's component cables, like zero color bleeding, richer vibrant colours, deeper blacks and better contrast, but with the softness of Composite would be great.
But it's totally component(Or S-video) for Dreamcast, GameCube & Wii. Couldn't imagine going back to composite with those 3, especially GCN & Wii.
All excellent points and nothing I can or want to dispute. For me, the RF was king on NES and that nostalgia is usually the winner 🏆
I haven't delved into the RetroVision cables but I've heard good things; for SNES, N64 & PS1 I recently started using S-Video.
I was fortunate to get the Nintendo component cables for Game Cube and it certainly makes a difference 👍
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Thanks! Yup, RF totally tickles the nostalgia heart strings. And going from Composite to S-Video for the first time on Gamecube with F-Zero GX and Resident Evil 4 had my jaw hitting the floor back in the early to mid 2000's, on my 32" Sony WEGA trinitron CRT. I had no idea what an S-Video cable even was prior to that. And then of course, shifting over to component with Wii which edges S-Video out with colour, contrast etc was really nice. Obviously nowhere near the leap going from S-Video to composite, but still a worthwhile upgrade and an obvious to-go-to for the the GCN, PS2 & XBOX generation.
Currently, I'm stuck with a lousier 27" 1999 Sanyo CRT for my old school consoles. Waiting for a 90's Sony Trinitron CRT to pop up on MP, so i can swap and make the upgrade. Those 2005 Sony WEGA's are far easier to find, even though they're not as common as they were 5-10 years ago. Yet the silver boxy bezel is a better fit for SD 2000's consoles like the Gamecube & Wii. Gotta have that black 90's bezel for all things retro, even if I'm limited to S-Video for that legit old school authenticity. ;)
i got an authentic n64 s video cable from ebay japan but the douchebags sent me a cable with a missing ground pin specifically pin #2. be careful when buying used s video cables, some may have missing/broken pins. i didn’t want to bother shipping it back because its overseas and wasted more money for a new insurrection industries s video cable. hopefully its good, even with the missing pin it still works but im concerned im not getting the best out of the broken cable
Component is still king
I love component but it's not readily available for N64 without modification unfortunately
Im SOLD.
Without any crazy mods it's a cheap but effective solution! Thanks for watching 😊
Do not use an Eon. ...if you are willing to pay that kind of money, a true HDMI mod, is worth your while, with better results.
Also, their are RGBs mods for the Nintendo 64.
If I were to upgrade, the RGB mod would likely be my choice for sure, especially since I don't plan on getting rid of my CRTs anytime soon 👍
The only nice thing about the Eon is its convenient plug and play capability which is helpful for the average consumer.
@@SvennyMcG True, but another solution RetroTink 2X-mini is a "plug-and-play solution" delivers the exact same result, at almost half the price of an m cable. \(•-•`)/
Meant to say the Eon HD adapter.
Whst I said still applies...
Using cheap knockoff cables will give you a worse video signal
S-video is the knock off one and it clearly is better than the A/V composite. S-video simply is better even it being a knock off one. Thats like me saying the normal factory A/V cable looks better than some non-nintendo branded upscaler. Obviously the upscaler is going to look good regardless of it being “knock off” because its made to look better than the stock one. You should be worried about the longevity of the off brand cable most of all.
But if you mean in terms of general construction then you’re absolutely right.
I don't have an official Nintendo brand S-Video cable to compare this cable against but I still like this cable and think it does a great job. I think it showcases that it produces a cleaner picture than composite
S video is better
Definitely a noticeable improvement! 👍
Why?
The picture clears up with S-Video 👍
There are official Nintendo S video cables. They were made for the SNES and the Snes, N64 and GameCube can use it because it's the same kind of port. I have one of them myself.
Awesome! I haven't yet found an official S-Video cable though I'm fortunate to have the official component cables for the Game Cube digital port 👍 You are correct though, I could use this S-Video cable on the multi out port of the GC. Thanks for watching!
N64 analog roundup
Composite Video Blank Sync (CVBS)
Vs.
Separate Video (color & luminance)
Composite Video versus S-Video
S-Video wins!
Thanks for watching! 👍