How Finland Joining NATO Checkmates Russia & Why Is It Ready For War | Ep. 23 Minna Ålander
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
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This is a conversation with Minna Alander - a research fellow at the Finnish Institute for International Affairs who's focusing, among other topics on Finnish security and defence policy, Nordic defence cooperation and Arctic security.
Finland is quite an exception among European countries - because while today many are panicking and trying to make up for years of underfunding, Fins seems to be quite calm - as they have been ready to fight Russia on their own for decades - as they have done in the past in multiple iconic conflicts.
In this conversation we talk about why is Finland prepared for war better than almost anyone else, what is the Finnish perspective of the Russian threat, how did Finland joining NATO completely changed the calculus for both NATO and Russia and what would a Russian invasion fo Finland look like.
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00:00 - Intro
01:12 - Finland's View of Russian Threat
07:54 - Why Finland Is Ready for War
15:01 - What Can Europe Learn from Finland
19:40 - Why Fins Are Ready to Defend Their Country
23:17 - What would a Russian invasion of Finland look like
26:34 - Competition with Russia in the Arctic
31:31 - How Finland saves money on defence
34:55 - Finland Joining NATO
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As an American whose Finnish grandfather was killed in battle fighting the Russians during the Winter War, I like to think how proud he would be to know how strong and important his country has become.
LOL strong?
nope
He would probably be happy that Russia is washed up and weak. The world now has embraced the idea that Russia is a thug nation. Number one export is poverty.
@@user-cl6qs1vn6h Hi Ivan-troll !
@@bushpocket8619
hi, dmbfk
LOL.. you thinking that Finland has become "strong and important" just shows how delusional you are...
Big brother who we look up to. The Finns and Estonians have stood two times together against the invaders from the east. 1919 volunteers form Finland helped us out, and 1940 Estonian volunteers gave their contribution to defend Finland, when Estonia had sadly lost its freedom.
As a finn I can tell you that this is just propaganda and stupidity. If we go war against Russia our destony is total destroying. Russia can destroy this country with hypersonic missails without sending one man here. And this hole fucking Ukraine war is US made proxy war against Russia. Your warmongers Biden, Blinken, Nuland and Sullivan made this stupid war and now already more than 500 000 Ukrainians soldiers are died and Russia has use 10 % its military capavcity in Ukraine. Yes of course we can beat Russia and of course USA send troops here to fight Russia. Well history tel us that always when its get to dangerous US just leave.
Yes but yet again Estonia has made many mistakes facing the chances of ruz attacking Estonia again. Estonian prime Minister Kaja Kallas is the one to be blamed on this by giving away many military equipment that Estonia is now short of. In fact Estonia is barely prepared. Very sad. Finland is a strong country with smart people.
Literally Russia bought you from Sweden.
With Finland and Poland securing Europe I feel safe for the first time. They got the right mentality and animal spirit when it counts.
Finland remembers. Never trust Russia.
The russians never change. Our fathers and grandfathers were/are right when telling to never trust a russkie.
Really? Finland and Sovjet had a perfectly good relationship after WWII. Finland ruined that by joining NATO, not Russia. Actions have consequences.
@@Test4Echos Our president said it well when he stated "Now russia has shown its true face" when russia attacked independent Ukraine. Good we are in NATO and on the good side in history books. Russians are modern time nazis and will face the consequenses for that.
@@Test4Echos Perfectly good relationship? Really? Right after The Soviet Union invaded Finland and killed almost 26,000 Fins? You think everything is fine? The Fins, the entire nation has Abused Spouse Syndrome towards Russia. You act like an abusive husband who wonders why his wife shoved a shive into his throat while sleeping. Russia and Russian are so out of touch with reality every one of your neighbors hates you with a passion and deservedly so.
@@Test4Echos
Actions have consequences indeed ... The Kremlin invaded Ukraine .... Sweden and Finland took note and with all the others said.... they they are behaving badly again ... time to say NO...to Putler and the Kremlin Trolls.
Willingness has everything to do with conscription. No matter who you are your relatives and friends are among our troops. Sons, brothers, fathers, uncles. We don't have an army, we are the army.
Cheers to you, Finland 🇫🇮
With ❤ from Sweden 🇸🇪 😊
have you learned Arabic?
@@user-cl6qs1vn6h nope, don't have to. My Arabic speaking friends and colleagues are more than eager to learn Swedish. How about you?
@@elainekarlsson8384
i dont need arabic.
What do you congratulate Finland on?
with economic sanctions, the collapse of the economy, and the appearance of 70 thousand Russian troops on the border? Seriously?
@@user-cl6qs1vn6h 😂😂😂
At least you're funny!
By the way, cheers and congratulations means two different things. But maybe you're not that deep into the english language either. You can always Google it.
@@user-cl6qs1vn6h, but when Finland was accepted to join in NATO, that caused us Finns no more being alone against the threat of Russia. And because Finland has 1344 km long common border with Russia, that threat had a big impact. We have learned a lot from our and from the Russian history. Glory to Ukraine ! Glory to the heroes !
Excellent conversation. I completely concur and am proudly part of the 80%. Kiitos Minna!
Glad you liked it!
Why the Swedish messaging was experienced as "alarmist" by Finnish ears were because a) Finland never let down their guard b) Finland never stopped investing in military deterrence c) does not have a deficit of readyness and capability to adress.
Sweden needs to mobilize a sense of urgency in our population, as in waking ppl up, in order to create the conditions we need to fund more, re-develop old capabilities and more that is required to re-establish something Finland never lost.
Conversly, the historic habits in Finland has always been to be very much unspoken about the self-evident threat to Finnish national security; and when actually talking about it, doing so with very small letters, and with as few words and sentences as possible. Our culture around talking about national defense is just different in some areas, although our fundamental approach to a total defense concept are very much similiar in nature, beyond our shared history and nordic similarities in general.
Such a smart expert; well done and respect for the Finns
She pretty much sums up the Finnish mentality.
There is a reason why in Finnish verb "Ryssiä" (Muscovy ) , roughly meaning "to totally fail something".
seriously? soon the Finnish economy will collapse, + 70k Russian army on the border.
congratulations clowns
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An American who is proud that Finland and Sweden decided to join NATO. Brothers for peace and democracy forever.
calm down, pshek
@@user-cl6qs1vn6h Shut up !
@@user-cl6qs1vn6h Job pjode maj vatnik
While times have changed and I may be an old-timer now I still see america as the defender of freedom and democracy. Criticism of europe is partly right however: West-european NATO should do more. This is just the countries far from russia however: we in the eastern flank are very well prepared.
@@anssiluomaranta34
"freedom and democracy@ 😂
Can you tell me at least one prosperous country after the freedom and democracy brought?
G'day from Australia to all our good friends in Finland.
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As a Kiwi in Finland it's interesting to observe, we lean on Gallipoli and WW2 in an almost romantic way. Like a camo OE not fully understanding that we have a huge portion of society who wonders why everyone can't just get along bro. If China was to set up a base in say the Solomon Islands, deep down it would be closer to how Germans or Swiss model of hand wringing than a United front. Even with the world famous racism towards foreigners within Aussie. This is not something Australia is totally united on.
@@fraserwright9482
What a complete load of dribble. And I'm an expat Kiwi.
Much respect for australia: you guys are so very very far there down under but still help ukraine in their struggle.👍
Excellent from start to Finnish!
Si vis pacem, para bellum could be the Finnish motto. The only people who worry are those who do not prepare for all eventualities ahead of time.
When Minna talked about how the whole society is prepared to defend the country in many ways I thought about my country, the USA, and how fractured our society is. Everybody wants things done but they want someone else to do it. Every problem is somebody else's problem. This is a huge challenge for a big country that is full of isolated communities that are being programmed by nefarious actors to distrust and hate each other. The unity in Finnish society is inspiring, but I can see that it comes from having their eyes open about who their neighbor is and what it is capable of. The biggest threat here is internal.
That is because half of America are like minded with Russia and half are like minded with Finland and Western Europe. As long as any American embraces fascism America will be divided. ANTIFA forever!
yes. eyes open, but also, primarily, ethnic uniformity, which equates to shared values throughout Finnish society. Finland is not at war with itself, in the same way the US is.
@@thecount1001 That's a good point. The US was created and built out by immigrants. It used to be our greatest strength that people came from all over with different cultures, different foods, different arts and music, and different skills. Now we have one group that wants to subjugate all other groups. It won't work, but it will likely get more dramatic before resolve our issues and re-unite.
Poland, the Baltic, and Scandinavian countries urgently need joint military coordination. We need to plan for the worst-case scenario.
"The Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) is a United Kingdom-led Northern European multi-national military partnership designed for rapid response and expeditionary operations. In addition to the United Kingdom, which initiated the establishment of the force in 2012, it consists of the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden), the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), and the Netherlands."
And the 4 Nordic countries are already working on combining their air forces into one air force under one centralized command.
I am sure that is being worked on.
When asking Germany if they would fight for their country... It's so different than asking Finland. All wars they know is either the world wars where they were the aggressors, or some faraway peace-keeping operations. For Finland there's precedence, that an invasion can happen, and it's possible to fight back and keep our freedom. I do think that if Germany faced an actual invasion from a neighboring country, the actual percentage would be higher.
Hyvää settiä Minna 👍
When I was in the army myself in 1998, the enemy in training always came from the east, although it was not directly said who the enemy was, each of us understood what it meant..when I was in the army, I would be lying if I said that it was never annoying to be there, but after it ended, I realized how many useful things I learned there, some of which have made me far in civilian life, I don't regret that I joined the army and I still belong to the reserve, I am also maintained my military skills with reservist activities and voluntary national defense
Because Finns always WERE ready for war! Neutrality brings that with itself automatically...
Speaker did great work, very informative
Fins, being ruSSorealists, not ruSSonaive as most of Europe, understood very well who is their neighbor. The rest is just a pragmatic response to a challenge of being a 5 - million neighbour to a cannibal with 140 million people and zillion tanks. Thank God or Reason for Finns and thank you for a very good interview! Greetings from Slovakia, JM
We Finns are Lucky that Russian despot leaders usually are some sort of idiots.
EDIT FOR YOU : 125 million people and 10 000 (?,) Before this war ) tanks
@@hybridarmyoffreeworld Yes - I also believe population of RuSSia is well below 140 million, but it is pretty difficult to estimate how many million people less they are. Concerning 10 000 tanks , it too may be realistic estimate, if we take into consideration T 62s, T 55s and the likes, kept in huge Sovie era arsenals. How many of them are in combat ready condition is questionable, and their quality is basically WWII quality, minus 50 years of rusting. In general, RuSSia is a giant on feet of clay - but we (analysts, politicians, and public) in the West learned to believe all that RuSSian propaganda, and are habitually affraid of image of RuSSia we ourselves planted deep in our brains.
Sweden had also "total defense" well it still have in theory but unfortunate we scaled down our defenses in the 90s(very very dumb,naiv decision)and now we have to REBUILD all that again and it will cost a lot
Stopping conscription service policy just before war was funny move from Sweden.
Big Minna Ålander fan here. :)
Hello from New Zealand 😁. Thanks for your great work 😊
As an American I am coming to the idea we should have universal conscription after High School without exception. One year of service learning a military position and serving the country. If you only serve a year you get trained as an enlisted foot soldier. If you sign up for additional time or active reserve service you get additional training. If you sign up to return after college you get college assistance and if you complete college you become an officer and you don’t you serve as enlisted.
Canada doesn’t have the same preparedness, yet they are the neighbour to Russia in a circumpolar sense with an Arctic archipelago and approaches to North America by waterways that are practically undefended.
The emphasis is via NORAD but practically zero preparedness for Russian incursions via waterways, and zero preparedness in terms of missile defences. Canada is also saddled with the same anti-war mentality of the 1960’s with no political will for defence and no awareness for geopolitics except to hold the US accountable for everything.
An honest and accurate assessment. Canada's defence is stuck repeating tales of WWII and Korea. Its defence spending was less than 2 per cent of GDP in 1973, and only for a few years in the 1980s was it at 2%. Five decades of negligent under investment. Last year Trudeau told Nato members that Canada would 'never' meet 2 per cent.
Honestly it's pretty big surprise. Canada is close to US, so ofc its pretty safe. But this could allow Canada to hyper focus on something. Like navy. I mean that's main way Russia or any other enemy would potentially attack. And it would be huge benefit to allies in case of some NATO war. Other benefit would be commercial, since that focus would give competitive advantage. US also has had issues with procuring ships for a long time, it costs them a lot to do.
Canada had the third largest navy in the world after WWII. That’s gone, though. Canada builds ships for the UK, and bought cast-off submarines from the UK defence industry. Canada also monitors the water ways such as the Gulf Of St. Lawrence and the Georgia Straight.
Highly valid points…, ya don’t need / get to panic… when you smell the coffee/ and take thing seriously
Свободу колониям орды! Карелия, Саха, Татария, Калмыкия, Чечня и тд Cheers to you, Finland 🇫🇮
хрюкай громче, возможно хозяева услышат 😂
@@pomka24 ivan, There is a reason why in Finnish verb "Ryssiä" (Muscovy ) , roughly meaning "to totally fail something".
@@hybridarmyoffreeworld kid, there is a reason why you got your goverment from Russians. Others arent interested in you but rather in getting cheap batle meat against Russians.
Fins, being MoSScorealists🇸🇦🇷🇺, not MoSSonaive as most of Europe, understood very well who is their neighbor. The rest is just a pragmatic response to a challenge of being a 5,5 - million neighbor to a 🇸🇦 🐷 🇷🇺 cannibal with 125 million people and 10 000 (?,) Before this war ) Thank God or Reason for Finns and thank you for a very good interview
She pretty much sums up the Finnish mentality.
There is also 120 000 km of forrest roads for artillery to shoot and scoot from
🎉excellent chat🙌
Russia should worry Finland will take back the land that was stolen from them.
nah..Russia stealing Karelia and other areas was wrong and our nation carries scars over that.. but, nah... we have way enough empty space already, and we need to worry about providing infrastructure for already scarcely inhabited landscape.
Rusbots are reporting anti-Kremlin comments again.. how do they get them deleted so efficiently? I wrote that we respect borders unlike our neighbours in Kremlin and don't use history as an excuse.
Its a fun thing to joke about. But even if Putin called tomorrow and offered it for free, we should not take it. Because of the reasons above, and in the future some other russian dictator would start a fuss about it
Did you have a look see at the place lately? Way.To.Costly.
Finland is the Arctic Sparta
It is true that finland has alot of howlitzers but they are mostly towed.
Towed pieces has had alot of problems due to the time it takes to mount and dismount them from one area to another one.
SPG's or self propelled Guns have on the otherhand been very valuable for both Ukraines freedom fighters and Russia Occupation forces.
Shoot and Scoot is very important in this war and when it comes to Shoot and Scoot then the Swedish FH77 Archer is the current best system in the world.
Rheinmetal has a prototype system that will be the next level with the RCH155 which shall be able to fire on the move.
Yeah, people tend to take "for your country" as "for the current breed of politicians". Replace country with homeland in the question and you'll get different results.
How you think you know?
The alarmist comments from Swedish officials could also be seen in the context of expanding your departments budget and visibility. The comments were not targeted at the global audience, but the domestic.
Russian was acting about finnish nato membership.
Last week boarder games and last year attacked pipeline to baltic!
Aaaand it stops when it gets interesting. Again.
Mongol - Muscovite horde´s war record :-
1856 defeated by Britain and France
1905 defeated by Japan
1917 defeated by Germany
1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states
1939 defeated by Finland
1969 defeated by China
1989 defeated by Afghanistan
1989 defeated in the Cold War.
1996 defeated by Chechnya
2022 defeated by Ukraine
WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn
Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-
a) Hungary 1956
b) Czechoslovakia 1968
c) Moldova 1992
d) Georgia 2008
Fantasy😂😂😂
U need to study history lol
@@zaynahub4729 Дело движется к концу, Моль летает по дворцу, Какая боль, какая боль, Весь мир плюёт на эту моль! Ждём дистанционную швабру, для повышения духовноскрепности в Швабростане 🇷🇺
@@chrisbremner8992 Дело движется к концу, Моль летает по дворцу, Какая боль, какая боль, Весь мир плюёт на эту моль! Ждём дистанционную швабру, для повышения духовноскрепности в Швабростане 🇷🇺
Wtf 😂
Cutting off in the middle of a question?
Wow🤡
Nato article 5 only written all must helping another so mutch able!
So mutch able saying, so mutch willing!
Why does she have a metal snot?
Dont understand people who wouldnt be willing to defend its own country,people,freinds etc if someone attacked them..its very strange,weird in my mind.."sure we can pretend we are freinds,that we care,that we are here for eachother,but if someone launch an invasion upon us,dont count with me"
In democracy a country is defended by professionals who train for it their whole career. No much use of people’s army.
I would just stay home and not going to war. But I build traps in my land if some enemy comes. But I am in my cottage middle of nowhere of FInland. And I haven't been in army so maybe they don't even want me to war. But I can participate and peel potatoes somewhere far away from front line.
@@jps8678 there are catering companies which are specialized in peeling the potatos and which get the contract with defence forces. Perhaps you can find a job in such a company should a war broke out.
@jps8678 You would be used on civilian side to aid the war effort. Which would not necessarily be safe, as those tend to be targets for bombing.
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Joo, pitaskohan pitaa suu kiinni ?
Do you want to know the meaning of the name Ålander? Åland (that is the Swedish name, Ahvenanmaa in Finnish) is the autonomous region of Finland located in the Gulf of Finland, between Finland and Sweden. It is an archipelago - a collection of islands, with Swedish speaking people. They have many rights and not a whole lot of duties to Finland. Basically freeloaders. But they are our freeloaders so Russians who think this should be invaded, can go a suck a duck. Finland will defend it and NATO can be called to back up the defense, so no chance ryssän paskanaamat. Oh yeah, Sweden is also in NATO. So protection is coming from all directions.
Russia has been making critical errors the last 2 years. Russian Fail Army! 😂
Багдан Хмяльніцкі, тыпу таго, падпісаў некалі "глыбокую" інтэграцыю з
ардой ... Украінскія гісторыкі кажуць, што Хмяльніцкі нічога не
падпісваў, і ўсё гэта хлусня! І папер ніякіх не было і няма! А маскоўцы
кажуцуь, што Хмяльніцкі -- падпісваў, але паперы не захаваліся бо моль
іх паела. А ў выніку што? Украіна-Русь на доўгія стагоддзі патрапіла пад
маскоўскі бот. Маскоўская арда скрала назву Украіны -- Русь, усю яе
гісторыю, міталёгію, культуру і выдае яе за сваю. Узяць бы таго князя
Уладзіміра, які, нібыта, хрысціў маскавітаў, яшчэ і помнікі яму нахабна
ставяць. А далей і згадваць не хочацца.... Рэвалюцыя, Грамадзянская
вайна, Галадамор, рэпрэсіі, генацыд... І нaрэшце вайна на Дамбасе,
анексія Крыма, вайна, вайна .
BHX 🇬🇧⚔️🏹🏰🚀⚒️🏆🔐🎯🏦⛓️🚒
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Is this a joke taking on russia,😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have a question, why would the Russians come west? What is the west has worth risking a nuclear exchange for?
Same as with their conquest of east - lebensraum.
I'd say Russia is more interested in the eastern European countries due to the soviet ties. West, I don't see them wanting it.
@@Deathadder90 Thanks.
@@LapinPete Thank you.
@Deathadder90 they want everything and try to get what they think they can get. Or why do you think there are Russians next to China, US and Japan? it's not exactly some ancient Slavic homeland.
This assumes that russia would invade finland? Why should they?
To test out article five. To see if NATO disintegrates arguing over whether to defend some tiny piece of Lapland, for example.
Well they did in the past. Every century since god knows when. History repeats itself.
Because Putin is the new Hitler and wants more territory through war.
background : После 2-й Мировой войны 10-мильонная Белaрусь 🏳❤🏳 не досчиталась около 3-х мильонов своих жителей, однако околь 2-х миллионов были убиты еще до войны органами коммунистического НКВД. В Беларуси физически уничтожили 70 процентов всех белaруских писателей, убили ученых и художников. (Труппа Третьего Белорусского Государственного театра Владислава Голубка была арестована в полном составе. Почти все были расстреляны.) Убивали по национальному признаку. Ради этого был придуман ярлык "нацдем" (это значит -- национальный демократ, хотя такой партии не существовало). Этот ярлык приклеивали ко всем белорусам, которых сталинисты планировали уничтожить. В недрах НКВД была придумана несуществующая антикоммунистическая организация СВБ ("союз освобождения Белaруси"). Под придуманный фантом энкавэдисты проводили аресты, вели воображаемое следствие, допрашивали, пытали, судили, потом ссылали в paсeю и расстреливали невинных людей. После Рижского сговора в 1921 году Беларусь разделили между Польшей и paсeей. Границу раздела провели недалеко от Менска. Существовал тайный приказ НКВД уничтожать всё белорусское население вдоль границы. Российские аккупанты хотели сделать здесь безлюдную зону. Уничтожение осуществляли пограничные войска. Довереным лицам выдавали винтовку и лопату. Когда такой солдат-пограничник встречал в безлюдном месте (на дороге, в поле, в лесу) одинокого белоруса или белоруску, или ребенка, он стрелял человека, тут же лопатой выкапывал яму и засыпал труп.
Такова была инструкция. Люди в деревнях не так боялись "человека с ружьём", как солдата с лопатой. (Эти факты опубликованы в белaруской печати в начале 90-х годов.) В 30-х годах на 95-99 процентов (практически полностью) была уничтожена (сослана и расстреляна) белaруская коммунистическо-партийная и советская администрация. Уничтожали даже директорат и хозяйственных руководителей. На должности убитых администраторов и коммунистических начальников-белорусов присылали “русских” из paсeии. “Русские” 🇷🇺 (так называемые "выдвиженцы") приезжали в Беларусь, занимали освобожденные должности, получали льготы, имущество, квартиры и первое, что они делали -- закрывали белорусские школы, переводили их на “русский” язык, чтобы их дети могли учиться, не обременяя себя изучением, как они говорили, "никому ненужного" белaруского языка. Таким образом оккупанты создавали в Беларуси "русскоязычное” население". Этноцид, лингвацид, мнемацид и геноцид проводзились большевиками одновременно.
Уничтожение белaрусов рaсeйским НКВД продолжалось и во времена немецкой аккупации. В июне 1941 года в первые дни войны коммунисты расстреляли в тюрьмах и на этапах тысячи заключенных. Только в Брестской крепости, где была страшная тюрьма НКВД, всех арестованных ликвидировать не успели, часть из них разбежалась. Тем временем большая группа надзирателей и функционеров НКВД была заблокирована в крепости немцами. Они сидели там около месяца, пока не вымерли. Лет через 20 после войны коммунисты придумали легенду о "героической обороне" Брестской крепости. Обращает на себя внимание тот факт, что широкое советское партизанское движение было организовано только в Беларуси и частично -- на этнических белaруских землях, которые были в составе paсeии (Смоленщина, Брянщина). В оккупированой России партизанского движения не было. Почему? Да потому, что продолжал действовать план уничтожения белорусской нации. Москва, используя органы НКВД, втянула массы гражданского белорусского населения в войну против немцев, и этим подставила белорусов под немецкий удар.
Необходимое дело борьбы исходило из коварного замысла и осуществлялось подлыми методами. (Сталин хотел получить двойную выгоду.) Энкавэдисты специально около белорусской деревени убивали немца или делали другую провокацию, чтобы вызвать карательную операцию гитлеровцев (которые обычно сжигали всю деревню, чаще всего -- вместе с людьми). Таким образом, кстати, в результате специальной провокации советских партизан была сожжена и известная Хатынь, которую коммунисты потом в 70-х годах разрекламировали на весь мир как типичную жертву фашистского зверства.
В результате такой коммуно-фашистской совместной "работы" в Беларуси сожгли более 9 тысяч деревень. Поэтому к концу войны, в результате специальной операции НКВД, многие белaaруские командиры были посланы на смерть, отстранены от командования, убиты и репрессированы. Их места занимали русские, присланные из Мосвы, и верные энкавэдисты. Летом 1944 года, когда "красная армия" заняла Беларусь, “русские” провели мобилизацию в армию на белaруской территории. Десятки тысяч молодых белaруских мужчин, почти без подготовки, бросили на передовую линию фронта. “pусские” командиры поднимали их в ненужные атаки под огонь немецких пулеметов, не дав даже оружия в руки, или с винтовками, но без патронов. Они гибли тысячами, как трава под косой. А те, что бежали назад, попадали под пули энкавэдистских "заградотрядов". Впрочем, заградотряды стреляли и в спину. Так продолжалось уничтожение белaрусов на войне, руками немцев и “русских” одновременно. Как говорили коммунисты, "в борьбе за советскую родину". В 40-х годах русские вывезли в Сибирь и там замучили всех лесников и так называемых "кулаков" из Западной Беларуси. Вывозили вагонами, по разнорядках.
@@NK-qw5vt NATO would crush Russia if it ever tried!
Look how Russia has lost tens of thousands of men attacking a country outside of NATO.
Russia has to hide its Black fleet away from a country without a navy lol.
What happened to Russia stopping Ukraine from exporting grain? Russia is a joke.
During the height of their power, the Soviet Union didn't attack a neutral Finland, so there is no chance Russia will attack Finland now.
So what is Finland gonna do now, attack Russia?
Finland will do nothing. There is saying in Finland: "Every country has an army. If it isn't your own, it is somebody else's".
The sovjet union was not throwing as much explosives around .... russia acts like an five year old with an crack habit and an rocket launcher
Russia no interest in finland .
@winstonskafte5505, but from the Russo - NATO border more than half of it's length is the Finnish Eastern border. That means, that Finland is a strategically important country, if we look for a possible war between NATO and Russia..
Why have they been attacking us for the last 1000 years then? Well great if we are now of no interest, hope that mindset keeps for more than a few years. Btw. Good luck on your forstry industry and icebreakers, which all service and equipment was accuired from finland before you started your war. I know the forestry industry is very pissed off at least, as the machines need service you cannot provide (fact). 40:30
DELUSION OF WEST:
For almost 7 years NATO trainned Ukrainian army. IN 2022,just a week before Russian attack,Ukraine main battle group had 80 thousand man,- professional soldiers -another 120 thousand reserves- defense and logistic -plus 200 thousand TO-teritorial defense ,-basic trainning-older man in charge of the rear...
That is half a million man,backed up with proper airforce,air-defense, amount of armour that whole Europe cant put together today,and 1 million granades...
Its all gone now...Today average age of UKRAINIAN soldier is 46,average length of trainning,6weeks,average lengt of existence in direct confrontation vs Russia is 4 hours.
4 hours is a lasting time for average UKR soldiers on the battlefield today...
Around 1000-1500 will be killed or wounded every day...
Average time of artillery pieces on battlefield is around 2 hours....
Reality comes with a price ....
I bet putler told you that bs. Dont trust ruskie news mate.
Think you are mixing up the teams, those are ruskie stats.
" check mate" . Overconfidence in nonsense is not recommended. Neutrality was way better for Finland. You are all resting on WW2 laurels like things are just going to naturally play out in your favor. War is not a Power Point presentation and an Excel sheet , remember that.
Well prepared or not we have HAD enough and honestly ( going through my heritage 1000 yearrs backi and ALl THR timr, centuryy after centerury we have bern at war with Russia, and now they dare to try and trigger us by constant hybrid actions..i will soon NOT CARE (!!!)as long as putin is behind bars asap.
I ask myself how could Finland 'checkmate' Russia if one ballistic missile with 15 atomic warheads will evaporate the entire Finnish territory? Possibly it might be the case that the Finns have now placed themselves in pole position to be the first punch bag in the eventuality of nuclear escalation, ensuring their own extinction... Not a checkmate but their own King's fall ..
LOL don't destroy their elf world.
finland - stronk !
@@user-cl6qs1vn6hyou need to brush up your English too :)
As if Moscovy would endanger St. Petersburg like that. It's very close and downwind from Finland.
@@onerva0001probably not, however Finland has 5 mil with 1 mil living tightly. No big deal.
Considering Finland has underground nuclear bunkers for over 4 million people to survive at least half a year, I'd say Russia would fail to wipe out population. Not to mention, land invasion has been made extremely painful if not impossible. You'd have to cross swamps, rivers, hundreds of lakes, and dense forest terrain with your troops, filled with mines, with only a couple of heavily gaurded bridges to cross your tanks, while being snip ed from every direction, with the force of 70 F35s war jets dropping bombs. Additionally Finland has the largest artillery army in Europe.
I congratulate Finland on economic sanctions, the collapse of the economy and the appearance of 70k Russian troops on the border.
More like 700 hundred?? Border Guards..All bases mostly empty..?
@@mikaseppanen1632
The Leningrad Military District was created, 70,000 soldiers.
these are not border guards
? Even the nuclear defense warheads around St Petersburg mystically disappeared 80% just looking at satellites. 😂
Russian troll, get a new job, selling your dignity online for 0,005€ per comment can't be worth it
what a silly gal .. need I say more .
Very silly
Hands and feet are being torn off and volunteers are being dragged to military enlistment offices all over Ukraine!
You mean that is happeining in ruskieland.
Russian troll bot
You are playing your stupid game with my life.
Russia has nuclear weapons points to Poland and America and Europe and maybe now your country and Russia nuclear weapons can't be stopped
Finland who. Ah yes an army which numbers 5000 witt th h about 29 combat ready🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
last time Finland went to war with russia Finland lost a sizable chunk of its territory
And Russia lost 1.2 million men.
We are more prepared than we were then.
Finland never went to war with russia, always other way.
Mongol - Muscovite horde´s war record :-
1856 defeated by Britain and France
1905 defeated by Japan
1917 defeated by Germany
1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states
1939 defeated by Finland
1969 defeated by China
1989 defeated by Afghanistan
1989 defeated in the Cold War.
1996 defeated by Chechnya
2022 defeated by Ukraine
WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn
Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-
a) Hungary 1956
b) Czechoslovakia 1968
c) Moldova 1992
d) Georgia 2008
You believe that 1939 poorly equipped Finland, with a population of 3.5 million attacked the Soviet Union population of 190.7 million ? Anyway there are still more than 3000 000 Soviet soldiers in Finland but they are 6 feet under on the eastern border. Finland was supposed to be conquered in two weeks 1939, does that sound familiar? history repeats itself
Russia doesn't need to mount a military operation against Finland for very obvious reasons. Firstly, it's not a prime target in terms of strategic utility. Secondly, after NATO collapses there will be no reason to invade as Finland will return to its previous posture of uncomfortable neutrality. Barring an unforeseen event like Putin having a stroke, here's how things will almost certainly play out: (i) Ukraine is forced into a "peace" treaty that simply enables Russia to continue its conquest with less expenditure of men and materiel. The West rejoiced that "peace" has been secured (much like the Brits were so happy that Chamberlain brought back his little piece of paper from Hitler); (ii) Russia invades one of the Baltic nations in order to save Russian speakers from fascism. Latvia is taken in 3 days while NATO sits and does what NATO does best: nothing at all, because its response plan requires 30 days to activate; (iii) the two other Baltic nations sign "peace treaties" with Russia that require them to leave NATO, which they do; (iv) Trump, back in the White House, declares the USA won't get involved in "loser fights" in Europe and then European NATO members have to admit they have zero capacity for self-defense. So one by one they all sign "non-aggression treaties" with Russia that involve sending huge amounts of money to Russia to "compensate" it for "decades of European aggression against the peaceful Russian state." So that's why Finland joining NATO didn't matter and why Russia will never need to invade Finland. Why fight a war when you can win thanks to the spinelessness and ineradicable stupidity of the West?
So, NATO expansion is actually NOT a threat to Russia? Got it!
All the neocon cool aid drinkers aren’t going to like what you’ve written here but considering how bad things are in Ukraine you may have a point.
And then Putin woke up from his wet dream.
Then you woke up
Are you from a parallel universe ?
NATO is being demystified as we speak-the mythical financial, technological and military advantage is severely questionable. This has just increased the danger for Finns-there was a great value to neutrality. Knee jerk reactions are never good.
Did neutrality help any other neighbours of Russia that it has invaded?
Now that Russia is officially trying to re-absorb their lost colonies and expand their empire then Finnland has a very good reason for feeling safer within NATO than on its own. Even if only for NATOs Nuclear deterrance. They still have people alive that remember the last time Russia tried to re-absorb them and the devestating consequences. Now that Russia has shown its real face, that it’s actually a dragon in bear’s clothing then even I, that used to be as make love not war as can be, from the only NATO country without an official military force, think that we should have taken Finnland as an example.
Non-alignment is no longer an option, Russia sees neutrality as weakness. What happened to Ukraine when it is not a member of NATO ?
Ukraine war has shown that russian war tech is trash. All they got is numbers and thats it.
Exactly but everyone is clinging to the holy church NATO
If every NATO country had the same approach as Finland, NATO would have like 150million trained reserves. with all other gear and tools to fight, we would never have to be worried about anyone ever again. That's a NATO with some chest hair.
This has learned her propaganda well
Who cares
Helvetti kuinka pihalla voi tämä tyyppi olla. Nämä suomalaiset tutkijat ovat niin pihalla kuin olla voi.
Voisitko vähän tarkentaa?
@@playnochat En usko että edes tajuaa sanaa tarkennus tarkistamatta sitä sivistyssanakirjasta ensin, yhtä tuntematon sana tälle kremlin papukaijalle kuin lähdekriittisyyskin.
@@playnochat Suomen liittyminen Natoon teki Suomesta ykkösiskukohteen ja tuhosi Suomen turvallisuuden. Suomella ei edes Naton jäsenenä ole mitään mahdollisuuksia pärjätä Venäjälle. Katso Ukrainaa, jossa Ukraina on menettänyt pelkästään kuolleina sotilaina yli 500 000 miestä ja Venäjä tuhoaa systemaattisesti sen kalustoa. Ukraina on saanut lähes 200 miljardia länneltä ja kaikki lännen ihmeaseet ovat tuhottu vuorotellen. Nyt lännen aseet ja ammukset ovat loppumassa ja Venäjä on käyttänyt sotavoimastaan vain noin 10-15 % Ukrainassa menettäen noin 50 000 miestä.
Ja jos katsoit Medvedvevin twiitin niin hän ilmaisi hyvin yksiselkoisesti, että jos Suomen ja Venäjän välille tulee sota niin Venäjä ei lähetä tänne sotilaitaan vaan Suomi pommitetaan ohjuksilla, tarvittaessa ydinkärjillä varustettuina paskaksi.
Venäjällä on käytössä hypersonic-ohjukset, joita NATO ei kykene torjumaan. Revi sitten siitä. Rajan ylittäessään niin meillä on aikaa reagointiin max. 2 minuuttia, tuskin sitäkään.
CHECK -MATE:
Anybody who has 10 minutes of military education knows that whole Skandinavia-Finnland-Norway-Sweden-Danmark, together cant put 10 thousand pro-soldiers on the battlefield ,and war material that can last longer than 3-4 days....
Finland alone has more than 900 000 pro soldiers, why could they not put 10 000 total on the battlefield to defend their homecountry?
@@Nannaww Really ? well,whole British army has 80 thousand ,and that numbers includes drivers,mechanics,medical personal ...Finnland has around 20 000,and that number too includes drivers,mechanics,medical personal,officers, accounting ,,, And that means Finnland does not have more then 500 pro soldiers ...
@@sasajelisavac Essentially every single male in Finland has got more military experience than "pro soldiers" in other countries, so whatever you are trying to say makes absolutely no sense
@@sasajelisavac Every single male has got years of training in military, because that is how it just works in Finland. There are 900 000 soldiers ready to be deployed to defend at all times, and every single one of them is more experienced shooter, and soldier than every single russian "pro soldier" in 2024
Well it's clear you only have 10-minutes of experience. Use Google before you write. 280 000 is the size of the wartime force that is pulled from the pool of 900 000 reservists.
Unfortunately the Finns let down the drain their neutrality.
They seem to forget what various war adventures brought them in the past.
First with Germans now with Americans.
Should ask the South Vietnamese and Afghans how great ally the US is😂😂😂
Some Russian trolls here I see ;D
@@mukkaarProbably the same guy.
do you get paid now in Euros or Dollars because the ruble has crashed ?
War is not a circus or video game warmongering lunatics
Against pure evil you should never be neutral
Finland is one of too many countries whose people have been forced to live under the russian/soviet yoke
But nice try troll…
Imaooooo your Country was sold to Nato,by an Party Girl.
😂
In the long run this saves hundreds of thousands of Russian lives.