It's a mech that's dependent on terrain to a huge degree. In anything with open terrain it's a deathtrap. In a city environment it becomes an opponent so intimidating I'd think twice about even trying.
Meeting him in a city or a forest is like trying to fight Mike Tyson. Meeting him in the open is like fighting a person on the street, but with a glass jaw. lol
So it's kind of like the hatchet man or the urban mech, you want to do everything in your power to keep it around cover Edit: okay scratch that it sounds like that this was the Kool-Aid man and someone made the mistake of giving him a sniper rifle later on instead of a sledgehammer
I take a Grasshopper or Guillotine over a Victor. Same speed, more armor, the large laser gives more options. Or the Siccession War downgrade of the Crockett.
As a second wave mech, they are devastating. When the lines have clashed this monster comes flying in and breaks any resistance. Just don’t send it out into the open without help.
For a number of years I discounted the Victors flexibility on the battlefield. It wasn't until I found myself forced to incorporate one into a merc company that I was running that I started to appreciate the value that it could bring, especially when it is included in an all jump-capable lance.
The Victor is one of those Mechs that never got the "obvious" upgrade in the lore. All you need is ES and DHS to free up close to ten tons, allowing you to add armor and plenty of weapons. Larger/Additional SRMs (or swapping them for LRMs), more medium lasers, an ER large laser, additional ammo or electronics packages, the list goes on. Converting it to a perfect sniper platform or doubling down on it's close range firepower without adding a fragile engine seems like the easiest adjustment, yet most of the early variants with LosTech always still seemed lacking.
I actually enjoy the fact that some mechs have the glaring flaws. The Hauptman was designed to fit an XL engine, and would benefit greatly from it, but never has one for some reason (in lore explanation is that the manufacture either can't build XL's that size, or wanted to save money), the Urbanmech is a literal walking trashcan, and outside of it's intended role is exactly what it looks like. Mechs that have obvious flaws parody real world military equipment rather well, some mechs have flaws, while others don't some military equipment is the best it could possibly be (with or without the grunt approved modifications), while some equipment is "built by the lowest bidder" as all military equipment is, and some equipment operates as such.
I just mounted an UAC-20 and a evasion gyro in hbs battletech. It should be able to kill most heavies with a alpha strike aimed at the central torso considering it does about 300 points of damage. It runs hot and takes a turn to get it in position, however.
well, as for MWO, it is my most used mech and always will be.... i love the challenge to play it amongst all the monsters. XL engine, all the jj's, 3 srm6 artemis and the AC20 are a terror to all that is lighter.
In the beginning bit of MW5 I mistook Victor for Firestarter. My thoughts went "Oh neat, a Firestarter!". Imagine my surprise when half-a-game later protagonist takes back his fathers Victor. Anyway, funky mech which I never had any luck with, it doesn`t sit well within an assault lance, but can be a big and mean core of a mix wight lance.
None of what makes it good in tabletop really translates to Mechwarrior. In tabletop, especially in the right terrain, it’s awesome to jump in and deliver an AC20 shot, a flight of SRMs and a 90 ton punch or kick. In MW, it’s a big slow target with poor armor for its size that the AI probably focuses on because it’s probably the biggest thing in the lance.
@@ohthreefiftyone Even in TT games "kill the Vic first" is a good idea. Short arms and a glass chin - bring in a decendly armored PPK or AC10 carrier and you kill it quickly. WHR-6D or the ZEU-6T are nice choices in a somewhat open terrain. Grasshopper or Guillotine in close quarter, maybe an FLS-7K
I actually had a fair amount of success this 'mech. I'm surprised there was never a variant that doubled down or its original role. I created my own variant with new tech using Endo-steel, a light engine, double heat sinks and case. I then gave it an Ultra AC-20, 2 ER medium lasers, a streak SRM 4 and improved armor. I think I added a targeting computer too. It was a beast...
I had a 9b or 9s I loved on MWo that had like a 380xl and two uac5s and as many SRMs as I could fit, and i think 2 SLs. Super fun build that basically was a wide shadowhawk
The Capellans essentially did a double-down version with the Lu Wei Bing. 85-tonner with an LB/20-X (4 tons ammo), 2 light PPCs and an MLL-5 (2 tons ammo). CASE II on the ammo, Angel ECM and they slapped 16 tons of armor on it, so unlike the Victor it's also immensely durable.
I got one in MW 5 that has two LB 10 AC, three LRM 5-ST and two medium lasers. I dropped the jump jets for armor,ammo an heatsinks. The LBs and the LRMs are on chain fire so it never stops shooting untill the hostile is dead,it is dead or it is out of ammo. It shreds anything that stays in it's sights in an unending barrage. One of my fun mechs
Twin burst fire AC5s are seriously underrated when mounted on a single arm. I use a victor 9s and a hero highlander with that setup and they both get ~40 damage a second.
this things are great for giving to lance mates in MW5 mercenaries, i always kept two of the VTR-9A1 models, i rigged them with LB10X-SLD instead of the AC-20 and ditched the jump jets and i put the weight into maxing the armor and ammo, then 2 standard medium lasers, 2 machine guns, and an SRM 4. these things were great for missions with difficulties in the 50s-70s, they had plenty of firepower to take on the medium and heavy mechs you would expect to find, and two lance mates piloting these made quick work of anything i came across
Always had that hero variant loaded down with modded gear. Putting a Sniper cannon on it covers it at range, and swapping out one med laser with a flamer gives you a chance against close in threats. Use inferno SRM munitions in the launcher. You can shut down most threats too close to hit with the arty via heat. Jump back a bit and hit the now immobile threat once out of the AOE.
The Victor is probably my favorite Succession Wars-era assault mech to pilot in the Mechwarrior games, although I don't usually keep it in exactly its stock configuration.
@@BigRed40TECH Oh don't get me wrong, it's perfectly servicable stock, I just like to have something to hit from long range with. Swapping out the SRM-4 for an LRM-5 is usually sufficient to ensure I have something to hit with from far away. That said, there was one configuration I made in MegaMekLab for a campaign which might be interesting. I called it the VTR-9L, and its lore establishes as a Capellan refit that debuted in 2883. The refit had three objectives: reducing reliance on ammunition, improving long range capabilities, and improving anti-infantry capabilities. To this end, the AC/20 was swapped out for a PPC, the SRM-4 was upgraded to an SRM-6, a flamer was mounted on each arm, and the remaining seven tons were filled with additional heat sinks.
With the AC 20, I used to have fun with this mech. Esp in urban areas. Something to be said about popping around a building with that cannon blazing. My minds eye, could picture the layers of armor peeling away from an enemy. Fun times.
During one mech-on-mech battle set in the lead-up to the Fouth Succession War, our company faced one where the enemy commander used a Victor. He used the assault mech's mobility to great and painful effect, frequently making shots from the rear facing. The mere hint of a DFA sent mechs scrambling to evade! Our line fell into chaos and the battle hung in the balance for several nail-biting turns. He actually took out 2.5 of our mechs by himself, and only finally fell because our unit's ace deliberately faced him down. It was a Pyrrhic victory, as the company was badly chewed up and couldn't reach the objective. We took the Victor and a T-bolt as our spoils from the fight. Our ace took the Thunderbolt as a replacement for his mangled Marauder, and the Victor became a strike lance leader when the unit upgraded to two entire companies.
One of the all time greatest assault mechs, at least for my play style. Sure it might lack a bit for armor but it's got enough firepower to beat the brakes off of anything that gets into range and it can close the distance get right up in your business and rip your face off faster than you'd think, and for an IS assault mech that ability is relatively rare and incredibly valuable. It's incredibly deadly close in and it makes a wonderful hammer when paired with a suitable anvil.
Unless it gets terrain that HEAVILY favour it's JumpJets quite a few 70-80to mechs would kill it. WHR-6D "all energy" Hammer or ZEU-6T "PPC" Zeus. CTF-1X should work as well
The Victor feels like a combination of the Hunchback and the Grasshopper. It's got similar weapons as the former, but the size/mobility combination of the latter for hard-hitting ambushes.
Last year I was playing in a role-playing game BattleTech a time of war but we were also using the regular BattleTech rules whenever we would be playing in our Mechs. We had one mission where we were short of doing okay. Weird hunted down a bunch of pirates that were rating a world we were guarding and we'd slugged it out with him kicking them in the ass. Think about it was on the tabletop we were playing at we had a bridge that we were trying to secure and take down the enemy and there's also woods on both sides. We're in the middle of trying to take the bridge when out of the woods appears a Victor. We had already been caught up in a running fight with two lances of medium Mech . On our side we had hunchback, crusader, thunderbolt, vindicator, Wentworth, and a Orion. We were up against besides the victor. Four bulldog tanks, four goblin tanks,
A Goliath, and two medium mix I can't think of right off hand. When the Victor showed up it had been a hell of a fight after then but we'd managed to smash the tanks and it destroyed all but one of the mechs but we were all pretty chewed up. My hunchback had a lot of internal damage and I was surprised I hadn't got blown up yet. In truth the Victor shows up and starts lighting into us. When we all saw it we had no s*** moment and we all turned our guns on it and opened fired with everything we had. Only reason we got out of that fight and as good of pieces we did and on our first go round one of the guys hit it with a medium laser in the head. And then another one hit it with 2 lrm 10 pack both shoot got two strike to the Head.
After that we were able to sweep across the bridge and finish off most of the bad guys. In truth it was still a hellacious running fight. We still talk about the l the two lrm strikes both 10 packs got maximum missiles away and out of them 15 points hit the left shoulder another five points hit the right arm and between two missile strikes 15 points hit the head each time along with the medium laser. We got lucky three times but I remember all of us opened up on it we really couldn't do a lot of damage to it. At the time I had lost my ac10 on my hunchback. And that damn autocannon 20 it already blown an arm off. I remember thinking we were screwed. One round later we're walking over the last of the dead guys and going holy s*** that was a fight.
A mech you could put on the list of assault mechs to cover is one of the rivals to the victor, the hatamoto-chi. 80 tons, relatively quick, simple armament, and it’s pretty damn reliable.
I'm gonna be trying to cover all mechs eventually. Right now I'm covering them or order of the original TRO 3025, barring the Quad Mechs, which I'll be covering afterwards.
I had a Tier 5 guess that I just couldn't find a mech to use it with for the longest time in MW 5 until I found a Victor for sale. It became one of the funnest mech builds I ran in that game. Being able to jump high enough to find and target enemies floating just over cover with my boom stick and then land safe behind it before they could shoot back was so very satisfying.
I've always though if the Victor as an overgrown Hunchback. Yes it has a bit more firepower and jump jets, but you could modify a 3025 tech Hunchie to have only 11 heat sinks and the same movement profile. In fact I think I'll do this tonight. Sounds like a scary opponent.
More internal structure helps. Big damage kicks really help, and the missiles work great with the AC-20, as it punches holes, and the missiles find them. It also has more heatsinking ability too. And because the AC-20 is in the arm, if you sneak up behind him and he doesn't have a better target, the VTR might just turn around and headshot you in the firing phase. Not to say it's the greatest mech ever, but it's got more going for it that some give it credit.
V-V-Victor-y! A mech i know Well after 6 GDL books, while even the novels paint a good picture of the rather thin armor of the Victor... You have to start saving weight somewhere if you want to add jumpjets and a gauss-rifle 🤷.
The Basilisk hero variant is my main mech in MW5. It is a dual LB 10-X nightmare. Can blow away heads with one salvo and if not, the rate of fire is insane.
When the Victor runs into a decent long-range mech in an open field, it often becomes the Victim instead. But, having a jump-capable assault mech can be incredibly valuable for some engagements. Look out below!
victor is easily one of my top 2 assault mechs. Nothing Like jumping into some schmucks blind spot and putting a fat slug and srms into their rear arc followed by a proper smack or 2
I'm not one for assault mechs unless its the BLR or AS7 but the Victor is definitely one of my new favorite 'Mech's, up there with the flea and grasshopper. My victor setup is 3 ac/2 and 2 med laser with 1 er-l laser, and 3 large heatsinks. It doesn't go over 60% heat and takes out heavy mechs relatively fast compared to what my other 'Mechs do.
Start with a hunchback. Replace the small laser with an SRM4. Upscale the armor 15% Increase auto cannon ammo by 50%. Add max jump jets. Increase to 80 tons to hold it all and you get a Victor 🙂
The Victor is an assault mech that needs a support lance. Pair it up with an Archer or other LRM carriers and you've presented sufficient reason for your opponent to rush into the Victor's effective range. Also the Victor really benefits from having their targets softened up by LRM fire. After getting a light dusting of LRMs a lot of mechs will take internal damage on the first AC20 hit. An assault class brawler needs as much armor as possible. While a lot of people love the idea of an 80 ton mech doing a Death from Above ... that is 8 tons worth of jump jets that could of been pumped into armor and other weapons. Also the upgrade variants ... they all could of ripped 5 tons of normal heat sinks out and replaced the engine's default 10 with double heat sinks. That extra 5 tons could be transformative. Like maybe upgrading the AC20 to an Ultra 20 then using the remaining tonnage to add a mix of additional ammo and armor. Considering the additional heat and ammo consumption caused by an Ultra 20, maybe rip out the SRM4 and use the tonnage for additional ammo, CASE, and even more armor.
Its a jumping Hunchback. Deadly in short range engagements. Its a city fighter. I remember the first time I fought one. I had to look it up, because as far as I knew the only 80 tonner worth using was the Awesome. It spanked me good and I learnt to respect jump jets on Assaults. But in 3025 it was the only jumping Assault.
I always wondered why no one did a dual large laser variant (4 points less damage but better range). The weight saved would allow for more sinks and armor and/or anti infantry weapons. Or post 3039 a dual large pulse laser variant.
My victor i have stripped the weapons off, favoring an LBX-10 with cluster munitions, 2 medium pulse lasers and a srm6, while adding much needed forward armour.
Theodore Kurita swapped his Orion for a Victor to escape the first world he fought on during the Fourth Succession War. How the other guy got his Victor to the LZ in one piece is a mystery for the ages.
My favorite 80 tonner due to the AC20 or Gauss in the arm (and JJ). The Awesome is raw firepower with its triple PPCs, but the Victor is mobile firepower and a mech you *DONT* want to brawl with at close range.
Replace the AC20 with a Gauss Rifle so it can shoot from afar. No need for much heat sinks so you can add thicker armor to make it more survivable. Machine guns and DFA leg mods or melee arm mods work well for close-range worth.
I ended up making a Victor I named Templar. Ferro-Fibrous armor, XL-320 engine, Double Sinks, 185mm AC-20 w/ 3 tons of ammo, SRM 6 w/ one ton of ammo, and 2 Lord's Light PPC's.
Victor 9Ka is cool because it's got improved jumpjets letting it mount one more JJ for the weight of 3.5 bringinit to the important 5 jump breakpoint where you're not taking a worse personality to shoot Sadly it's not really great in an actual fight 6 tons of ammo on the AC20 and heatsinkage I think the Gauss might have been a better option at that point.
I love the variants that use the Gauss cannon, as those are especially effective when supported by faster mechs with good suppression ability. With that support, and some form of environmental cover, the Gauss cannon Victor becomes a deadly sniper.
I'd say drop the jump jets, throw on some more armor on your Core and AC/20 Arm and dance with a Battlemaster or Zeus and go to town. You'd almost think the Victor would be right at home in one of those Lyran scout lances! XD
Good mech kind of the vanilla ice-cream of assaults but is a good mech. In most mechwarriors hands its a meh mech, but used by someone who knows what their doing it can be a serious threat. Good mech to train on to get use to assaults, you could easily do worse, could easily do better assaults, Victor will always be a gateway mech into assaults.
I saw if I could just make a much nastier VTR-9B with current tech, unsurprisingly you can, and it's got max standard armour to boot, +Ultra AC-20. I laughed. I will see it in use in a campaign one day. lol
Ah the victor with an ultra 20 and srms what more can you ask for? The victor are shock troops, get in spend your ammo and go. The epitomy of a good time not a long time. I never put energy weapons on em since they're too hot or expensive.
To me the victor is a little faster but poor functioning highlander. The thunderbolt has less one shot punch than the victor, but performs the most of the same role better.
Yes, the Victor is vulnerable in 'open' terrain. But, that is not what it was designed for. Urban, Jungle, and broken terrains are it's 'bread and butter'. I have one player that rarely speaks to me this day, because I leaped an 80 ton Mech over a building and DFA'd his best pilot. With upgrade technologies like, Endo, Ferro, XL Engines, Light Gyros or even Compact or Heavy Duty ones, Targeting Computers, DSHS, and such, The Victor can be even more lethal in it's 'native' environment. So long as you don't deploy this Mech to an 'open' terrain, it can perform admirably. And with both a good Pilot, and good Tech, in it's 'element', it can come out as it's name suggests... The Victor.
With modded jumpjets that attempt to get it close to what it should be in MechWarrior 5 the stock configuration went from just 'aight to amazing. Nothing fills me with more power than seeing an enemy 'mech several hundred metres away and just flying towards that bastard straight into effective range. It was then I learned how powerful jumpjets should be and that their power is not limited to that of just getting somewhere nice to lob a shot at long range like I thought they were. HBS Battletech affirms this and really taught me what that system can do and why some 'mechs sacrifice so much for it... Just some sacrifice a bit too much in my opinion (Hammerhands, Quickdraw, I'm looking at you). Someday when I get to play tabletop I will hopefully get my hands on a Victor. But the first time I fell in love with it was in MechWarrior 4, where there we had the VTR-10S albeit a bit heavier armed than canonically. That Heavy gauss and gauss combo is always a combination I found so fun in that game.
The Victor is honestly the Hollander's older brother. It's meant to be a 'gotcha' mech, that's best for ace pilots and dueling. The problem is obvious; you don't always get to pick your battles. This mech would be great in urban combat, since it's basically an Urbanmech. My biggest gripes with it are the poor armour, and the secondary weapons. I'd drop the ac20 for one or two ac10s, and if there's any weight saved, bump up its collection of secondary weapons. Oh and drop the srms, cause I hate them. I hate them so much.
You charge AT a Victor. Not retreat from it. THAT is it's strength and weakness IMO. You can sucker a lance into closing with a Victor that shows itself...only to have the Victors lancemates arrive to crush an enemy that thought it could get an 'easy' kill.
Ah yes, the mech that is USELESS once it's AC arm is gone... And they always shoot the AC arm first. No wonder your old man gets offed piloting one of these death traps in MW5.
It's a good mech with good fire power. But it has poor emergency weapons, if the main cannon is destroyed then its almost completely useless in MW 5. I don't personally use it as my main mech because well, the highlander exist. But it's still a hard hitter and I have one as my personal backup if the highlander gets downed, so it's still good.
the victor is a FEDERATED SUNS mech? i thought it was a draconis mech just based off appearance, learn new things every day took one look at it in the preview mechlab and determined ; it needed another 2 jump jets! ... if i stopped making builds for mechs before i get them i might actually spend enough time playing the actual game to get enough money to buy the mechs i have determined it defenitely needed the extra jump jets and also an SRM 6 for when someone decides being within 300m of the mech is a good idea
This Video has made me think that it would be good if MW5 had missions that required jump jets to get to the goal, force people to try different tactics different mech loadouts. I normally drop jump jets for extra heat sinks or more weapons and armour.
Some do, I know for a fact kestrel lancers has one. I can’t name the other transmission quests that have spots where they tell you “hey life will be easier if you put jump jets on” but There’s two or three of em out there.
@@blondie5835 maybe it's because I am too direct and just like going in heavy and blasting everything in sight. I must admit, I do die more than I should in these games.
An assault mech should be a bullet magnet saving your other mechs from the attention or a completely over armed support mech :-) sadly the Victor is terrible at both so isn't really a good assault but is great if you are putting it against lighter mechs and vulnerable vehicles...i only get it if you can't find or afford anything else...but if you need a assault that can jump it's cheaper than a highlander :-)
Used properly in it's intended environment and with support this mech is a real force multiplier. However, the fact that the whole niche of this mech depended on a SINGLE weapon system makes it a rather average assault mech in my opinion, especially with the meagre amount of armor it has. Seriously. Grampa Tex was right. Get an AWS 8Q instead. Way more endurance (Zombie mech, son), stronger armor, longer reach, and just all around user friendly with one blunder less likely to bit you in the posterior.
to me, i'd deploy the Victor the way i would deploy a Hunchback. both speed tops out at 64.8 kph & both seem very similar except its Assault sized and can jump.
It's funny that the Victor uses a Pontiac engine when the car manufacturer irl died in 2010 while the mech was built in 2508. The lore did not age well.
You skipped the 3 best variants: the 10L, 10S and 11D. I know they are all very faction flavored but damn, they all put serious pain downrange. I love to fight these guys in Crocketts and Emperors. Win or lose it's a fun game.
I only cover 3 variants when I do these videos, as I try to just give an idea of what they're about, rather than completely deep diving them. In the far future I may do deeper videos on these subjects, but these are all designed to be short and informative. :)
My favorite IS mech is probably the Highlander. As a result of this I've never had much respect for the Victor. Why would I want a vic when there are perfectly good 732b waiting for your attention.
Never been a fan of it, for an assault if 80 tons it "wastes" to much tonnage on engine core and jump jets, mobility is nice but what's the point having an assault with heavy mobility but merely medium mech of armor and firepower in-between heavy and medium. For 80 tons I'd rather go with an awesome, or just stick to marauder, Warhammer.
@@BigRed40TECH possibly, still a believer that mechs should be specked according to their classes, lights fast and zippy with firepower being an afterthought, mediums the jack of all trades workhorse Swiss knifes, heavies with more emphasis in firepower and armor at the expense of speed and assaults just focussing on armor and firepower with speed being a mere afterthought. If a mech doesn't fit it's class anymore the usually what happens is that it gets outclassed not just by it's class mechs but also of mechs of lower classes/tonnage. No one would build an Abrams with twice the speed in mind if that means to downgrade it's weapon to a 40mm and shaving of half the armor. What's left is a fast target, that only gets somewhere with impressive speed to be murdered.
@@snakeplissken1754 Sure, but I've personally had a lot of success with the VTR on the tabeltop, especially in the Succession Wars. It hits hard, and if you can use it well and get it in close without too much damage, you're going to send most opponents packing. Sure, it doesn't want to fight an Atlas in close for the most part, but it'll take down most heavies, mediums, even other Assaults if it can use cover to close that distance. It's got a good reputation for a reason. I think it mostly starts to suffer once you hit the 3050+ eras.
@@BigRed40TECH guess 3050+ the firepower just spiked massively duo to clan tech or helms core lostech. Then the lack of armor becomes even more visible when you try to close in. Succession war has a bit of its own charm, just like WW2 era dogfights without targeting computers and missiles. The mechs are pretty basic in that era, single heatsinks, basic energy weapons and simple autocannons. When you add double heatsinks, er, pulse lasers, ultra acs, Endo steel, Ferro etc you change the game a lot.
I hate this mech just because of its associations. It's a decent machine though. The better-than-average maneuverability lets it bring that AC/20 to bear and even deliver a nasty punch with the off-hand in the same turn.
Loves cities Loves hills Loves Davion Love me jumpjets Hate open fields Hate aerospace Hate water Hate Capellans not racist just don't like em Simple as
I reaaaaaaally feel like vanilla ACs are poorly balanced. If I could figure out how to do houserules in MegaMek/MechHQ I'd drop the AC/10 to 10 tons, the AC 5 to 6.5 tons, and the AC 2 to 4 tons; the AC/10 and /5 would each use 1 less critical space, and I'd keep all other stats the same. Ultimately energy weapons will be superior still, but the vanilla ACs would be more competitive. (I also tend to ignore the rule that the ammunition for the Rifles dont deal half-damage. I dont see why they couldnt fire ammunition made with modern alloys and such >_>. That of course is for modern-made Rifles. If its a vintage one from an Age of War era tank or something, then yeah, it would deal less damage, or risk breaking down whenever it fired a shot due to stress)
Was never a fan of the victor, mainly because it is a niche mech. Unless it is used to ambush, it is pretty ineffective. Even when it was up gunned, people didn't fear the mech, they only feared the gauss. Oh course, who wouldn't. Take it out of the role of ambusher, or second line sniper (depending on the model), and you might as well call the salvage crew in early.
But isnt that the problem: The mech was created for City fighting, but if its forced out into the open then of course its lunch meat!! This is one of those mechs that if you try to force it to do something it cant, then you should not be surprised on getting your butt kicked hard.
The Victor has never really stood out to me. Its extremely terrain specific. In. The open id rather have a Zeus at the same weight and in a city fight if rather have Hunchbacks or urban mechs if you dont want to lose jump jets.
It's a mech that's dependent on terrain to a huge degree. In anything with open terrain it's a deathtrap. In a city environment it becomes an opponent so intimidating I'd think twice about even trying.
Meeting him in a city or a forest is like trying to fight Mike Tyson.
Meeting him in the open is like fighting a person on the street, but with a glass jaw. lol
So it's kind of like the hatchet man or the urban mech, you want to do everything in your power to keep it around cover
Edit: okay scratch that it sounds like that this was the Kool-Aid man and someone made the mistake of giving him a sniper rifle later on instead of a sledgehammer
I take a Grasshopper or Guillotine over a Victor. Same speed, more armor, the large laser gives more options. Or the Siccession War downgrade of the Crockett.
Bruh I killed one in a city with a locust lol, once you bust the AC 20 it's a sitting duck
As a second wave mech, they are devastating. When the lines have clashed this monster comes flying in and breaks any resistance. Just don’t send it out into the open without help.
For a number of years I discounted the Victors flexibility on the battlefield. It wasn't until I found myself forced to incorporate one into a merc company that I was running that I started to appreciate the value that it could bring, especially when it is included in an all jump-capable lance.
My AFFS battle lance consist: Victor, Grasshopper, Enforcer and Hatchetman.
The Victor is one of those Mechs that never got the "obvious" upgrade in the lore. All you need is ES and DHS to free up close to ten tons, allowing you to add armor and plenty of weapons. Larger/Additional SRMs (or swapping them for LRMs), more medium lasers, an ER large laser, additional ammo or electronics packages, the list goes on. Converting it to a perfect sniper platform or doubling down on it's close range firepower without adding a fragile engine seems like the easiest adjustment, yet most of the early variants with LosTech always still seemed lacking.
I actually enjoy the fact that some mechs have the glaring flaws. The Hauptman was designed to fit an XL engine, and would benefit greatly from it, but never has one for some reason (in lore explanation is that the manufacture either can't build XL's that size, or wanted to save money), the Urbanmech is a literal walking trashcan, and outside of it's intended role is exactly what it looks like.
Mechs that have obvious flaws parody real world military equipment rather well, some mechs have flaws, while others don't some military equipment is the best it could possibly be (with or without the grunt approved modifications), while some equipment is "built by the lowest bidder" as all military equipment is, and some equipment operates as such.
exactly what i did in my game. Made it the perfect sniper.
I just mounted an UAC-20 and a evasion gyro in hbs battletech. It should be able to kill most heavies with a alpha strike aimed at the central torso considering it does about 300 points of damage. It runs hot and takes a turn to get it in position, however.
Gosh, I kind of fell in love with the Victor when I steered away from MWO and towards tabletop. I need to snag that catalyst lance pack it comes in.
It's a great pack too. Hunchback is hard too.
@@BigRed40TECH Oh yeah that pack slaps.
Glad you didn't succumb to the TT hate
well, as for MWO, it is my most used mech and always will be.... i love the challenge to play it amongst all the monsters. XL engine, all the jj's, 3 srm6 artemis and the AC20 are a terror to all that is lighter.
In the beginning bit of MW5 I mistook Victor for Firestarter. My thoughts went "Oh neat, a Firestarter!". Imagine my surprise when half-a-game later protagonist takes back his fathers Victor.
Anyway, funky mech which I never had any luck with, it doesn`t sit well within an assault lance, but can be a big and mean core of a mix wight lance.
None of what makes it good in tabletop really translates to Mechwarrior. In tabletop, especially in the right terrain, it’s awesome to jump in and deliver an AC20 shot, a flight of SRMs and a 90 ton punch or kick. In MW, it’s a big slow target with poor armor for its size that the AI probably focuses on because it’s probably the biggest thing in the lance.
@@ohthreefiftyone Even in TT games "kill the Vic first" is a good idea. Short arms and a glass chin - bring in a decendly armored PPK or AC10 carrier and you kill it quickly. WHR-6D or the ZEU-6T are nice choices in a somewhat open terrain. Grasshopper or Guillotine in close quarter, maybe an FLS-7K
I actually had a fair amount of success this 'mech. I'm surprised there was never a variant that doubled down or its original role. I created my own variant with new tech using Endo-steel, a light engine, double heat sinks and case. I then gave it an Ultra AC-20, 2 ER medium lasers, a streak SRM 4 and improved armor. I think I added a targeting computer too. It was a beast...
You may want to look up the Victor 10D that has exactly the same weaponry, but lacks light engine and targeting computer.
I had a 9b or 9s I loved on MWo that had like a 380xl and two uac5s and as many SRMs as I could fit, and i think 2 SLs. Super fun build that basically was a wide shadowhawk
The victor is the perfect platform for the UAC-20.
The Capellans essentially did a double-down version with the Lu Wei Bing. 85-tonner with an LB/20-X (4 tons ammo), 2 light PPCs and an MLL-5 (2 tons ammo). CASE II on the ammo, Angel ECM and they slapped 16 tons of armor on it, so unlike the Victor it's also immensely durable.
I got one in MW 5 that has two LB 10 AC, three LRM 5-ST and two medium lasers. I dropped the jump jets for armor,ammo an heatsinks. The LBs and the LRMs are on chain fire so it never stops shooting untill the hostile is dead,it is dead or it is out of ammo. It shreds anything that stays in it's sights in an unending barrage. One of my fun mechs
Twin burst fire AC5s are seriously underrated when mounted on a single arm. I use a victor 9s and a hero highlander with that setup and they both get ~40 damage a second.
This is a great series. I enjoy the combination of tabletop game rules along with histories of these machines.
Great choice of music in the background. Freedom Fight from MW2.
That should be the pinned comment. I was bopping my head the entire time but the songname is sadly not listed.
this things are great for giving to lance mates in MW5 mercenaries, i always kept two of the VTR-9A1 models, i rigged them with LB10X-SLD instead of the AC-20 and ditched the jump jets and i put the weight into maxing the armor and ammo, then 2 standard medium lasers, 2 machine guns, and an SRM 4. these things were great for missions with difficulties in the 50s-70s, they had plenty of firepower to take on the medium and heavy mechs you would expect to find, and two lance mates piloting these made quick work of anything i came across
Always had that hero variant loaded down with modded gear. Putting a Sniper cannon on it covers it at range, and swapping out one med laser with a flamer gives you a chance against close in threats. Use inferno SRM munitions in the launcher. You can shut down most threats too close to hit with the arty via heat. Jump back a bit and hit the now immobile threat once out of the AOE.
The Victor is probably my favorite Succession Wars-era assault mech to pilot in the Mechwarrior games, although I don't usually keep it in exactly its stock configuration.
I like it stock, but I love mucking around with it in MW5
@@BigRed40TECH Oh don't get me wrong, it's perfectly servicable stock, I just like to have something to hit from long range with. Swapping out the SRM-4 for an LRM-5 is usually sufficient to ensure I have something to hit with from far away.
That said, there was one configuration I made in MegaMekLab for a campaign which might be interesting. I called it the VTR-9L, and its lore establishes as a Capellan refit that debuted in 2883. The refit had three objectives: reducing reliance on ammunition, improving long range capabilities, and improving anti-infantry capabilities. To this end, the AC/20 was swapped out for a PPC, the SRM-4 was upgraded to an SRM-6, a flamer was mounted on each arm, and the remaining seven tons were filled with additional heat sinks.
@@z3r0_35 That sounds like a Liao design, I dig it.
With the AC 20, I used to have fun with this mech. Esp in urban areas.
Something to be said about popping around a building with that cannon blazing. My minds eye, could picture the layers of armor peeling away from an enemy. Fun times.
I love this mech so, so much. Model, how it plays, design philosophy. It scares the *shit* out of pretty much anything else, too
During one mech-on-mech battle set in the lead-up to the Fouth Succession War, our company faced one where the enemy commander used a Victor. He used the assault mech's mobility to great and painful effect, frequently making shots from the rear facing. The mere hint of a DFA sent mechs scrambling to evade! Our line fell into chaos and the battle hung in the balance for several nail-biting turns. He actually took out 2.5 of our mechs by himself, and only finally fell because our unit's ace deliberately faced him down. It was a Pyrrhic victory, as the company was badly chewed up and couldn't reach the objective. We took the Victor and a T-bolt as our spoils from the fight. Our ace took the Thunderbolt as a replacement for his mangled Marauder, and the Victor became a strike lance leader when the unit upgraded to two entire companies.
One of the all time greatest assault mechs, at least for my play style. Sure it might lack a bit for armor but it's got enough firepower to beat the brakes off of anything that gets into range and it can close the distance get right up in your business and rip your face off faster than you'd think, and for an IS assault mech that ability is relatively rare and incredibly valuable. It's incredibly deadly close in and it makes a wonderful hammer when paired with a suitable anvil.
Unless it gets terrain that HEAVILY favour it's JumpJets quite a few 70-80to mechs would kill it. WHR-6D "all energy" Hammer or ZEU-6T "PPC" Zeus. CTF-1X should work as well
@@mbr5742 Oh yeah, absolutely, it's heavily terrain dependent and I wouldn't ever say otherwise. But man, I just _like_ the thing.
The Victor feels like a combination of the Hunchback and the Grasshopper. It's got similar weapons as the former, but the size/mobility combination of the latter for hard-hitting ambushes.
Last year I was playing in a role-playing game BattleTech a time of war but we were also using the regular BattleTech rules whenever we would be playing in our Mechs.
We had one mission where we were short of doing okay. Weird hunted down a bunch of pirates that were rating a world we were guarding and we'd slugged it out with him kicking them in the ass.
Think about it was on the tabletop we were playing at we had a bridge that we were trying to secure and take down the enemy and there's also woods on both sides. We're in the middle of trying to take the bridge when out of the woods appears a Victor.
We had already been caught up in a running fight with two lances of medium Mech .
On our side we had hunchback, crusader, thunderbolt, vindicator, Wentworth, and a Orion.
We were up against besides the victor. Four bulldog tanks, four goblin tanks,
A Goliath, and two medium mix I can't think of right off hand. When the Victor showed up it had been a hell of a fight after then but we'd managed to smash the tanks and it destroyed all but one of the mechs but we were all pretty chewed up.
My hunchback had a lot of internal damage and I was surprised I hadn't got blown up yet.
In truth the Victor shows up and starts lighting into us. When we all saw it we had no s*** moment and we all turned our guns on it and opened fired with everything we had. Only reason we got out of that fight and as good of pieces we did and on our first go round one of the guys hit it with a medium laser in the head. And then another one hit it with 2 lrm 10 pack both shoot got two strike to the Head.
After that we were able to sweep across the bridge and finish off most of the bad guys. In truth it was still a hellacious running fight. We still talk about the l the two lrm strikes both 10 packs got maximum missiles away and out of them 15 points hit the left shoulder another five points hit the right arm and between two missile strikes 15 points hit the head each time along with the medium laser. We got lucky three times but I remember all of us opened up on it we really couldn't do a lot of damage to it. At the time I had lost my ac10 on my hunchback. And that damn autocannon 20 it already blown an arm off. I remember thinking we were screwed. One round later we're walking over the last of the dead guys and going holy s*** that was a fight.
Excellent vid about a 'Mech i've never really had much luck with!
I love this mech. lol
A mech you could put on the list of assault mechs to cover is one of the rivals to the victor, the hatamoto-chi. 80 tons, relatively quick, simple armament, and it’s pretty damn reliable.
I'm gonna be trying to cover all mechs eventually. Right now I'm covering them or order of the original TRO 3025, barring the Quad Mechs, which I'll be covering afterwards.
Remember, the Hatamoto is just a slow Charger with armor and real weapons.
I had a Tier 5 guess that I just couldn't find a mech to use it with for the longest time in MW 5 until I found a Victor for sale. It became one of the funnest mech builds I ran in that game. Being able to jump high enough to find and target enemies floating just over cover with my boom stick and then land safe behind it before they could shoot back was so very satisfying.
I've always though if the Victor as an overgrown Hunchback. Yes it has a bit more firepower and jump jets, but you could modify a 3025 tech Hunchie to have only 11 heat sinks and the same movement profile.
In fact I think I'll do this tonight. Sounds like a scary opponent.
More internal structure helps. Big damage kicks really help, and the missiles work great with the AC-20, as it punches holes, and the missiles find them. It also has more heatsinking ability too. And because the AC-20 is in the arm, if you sneak up behind him and he doesn't have a better target, the VTR might just turn around and headshot you in the firing phase.
Not to say it's the greatest mech ever, but it's got more going for it that some give it credit.
@@BigRed40TECH Fair evaluation. Crit seeking is definitely a good thing. Victor just needs more armor for something of its weight.
V-V-Victor-y! A mech i know Well after 6 GDL books, while even the novels paint a good picture of the rather thin armor of the Victor... You have to start saving weight somewhere if you want to add jumpjets and a gauss-rifle 🤷.
The Basilisk hero variant is my main mech in MW5.
It is a dual LB 10-X nightmare.
Can blow away heads with one salvo and if not, the rate of fire is insane.
And it can carry an ECM system, what’s not to love?
When the Victor runs into a decent long-range mech in an open field, it often becomes the Victim instead.
But, having a jump-capable assault mech can be incredibly valuable for some engagements. Look out below!
The Victor and the Banshee hold the number one spot for assault mechs for me
victor is easily one of my top 2 assault mechs. Nothing Like jumping into some schmucks blind spot and putting a fat slug and srms into their rear arc followed by a proper smack or 2
Hitting folks with that AC20 is like watching someone get popped in the head or taking body blows from Mike Tyson in his prime.
I'm not one for assault mechs unless its the BLR or AS7 but the Victor is definitely one of my new favorite 'Mech's, up there with the flea and grasshopper. My victor setup is 3 ac/2 and 2 med laser with 1 er-l laser, and 3 large heatsinks. It doesn't go over 60% heat and takes out heavy mechs relatively fast compared to what my other 'Mechs do.
A mech so good the head of a government named his son after it.
The victior other wise known as the hunchback bigger bother that can jump good. These are both my personal favorite mechs.
Start with a hunchback. Replace the small laser with an SRM4. Upscale the armor 15% Increase auto cannon ammo by 50%. Add max jump jets. Increase to 80 tons to hold it all and you get a Victor 🙂
These mech videos are awesome, keep it up.
the new skill tree coming to MWO will allow me to optimize my victors.
The Victor is an assault mech that needs a support lance. Pair it up with an Archer or other LRM carriers and you've presented sufficient reason for your opponent to rush into the Victor's effective range. Also the Victor really benefits from having their targets softened up by LRM fire. After getting a light dusting of LRMs a lot of mechs will take internal damage on the first AC20 hit.
An assault class brawler needs as much armor as possible. While a lot of people love the idea of an 80 ton mech doing a Death from Above ... that is 8 tons worth of jump jets that could of been pumped into armor and other weapons. Also the upgrade variants ... they all could of ripped 5 tons of normal heat sinks out and replaced the engine's default 10 with double heat sinks. That extra 5 tons could be transformative. Like maybe upgrading the AC20 to an Ultra 20 then using the remaining tonnage to add a mix of additional ammo and armor. Considering the additional heat and ammo consumption caused by an Ultra 20, maybe rip out the SRM4 and use the tonnage for additional ammo, CASE, and even more armor.
It's 4 tons of Jump Jets on the VTR-9B, just letting you know.
Its a jumping Hunchback. Deadly in short range engagements. Its a city fighter. I remember the first time I fought one. I had to look it up, because as far as I knew the only 80 tonner worth using was the Awesome. It spanked me good and I learnt to respect jump jets on Assaults. But in 3025 it was the only jumping Assault.
Yea, it was horrifying to have that thing land behind you, or a DFA to land on you. Just brutal. And it kicks like a horse too.
It's an Urbie, except that it's big, well armored, and has decent mobility. But yes, I agree with you 100% that it's a city fighter _par excellence_
I always wondered why no one did a dual large laser variant (4 points less damage but better range). The weight saved would allow for more sinks and armor and/or anti infantry weapons. Or post 3039 a dual large pulse laser variant.
My victor i have stripped the weapons off, favoring an LBX-10 with cluster munitions, 2 medium pulse lasers and a srm6, while adding much needed forward armour.
I go for shower no video from Red..... I come back from shower VIDEO FROM RED!!!!!!!!! Score
Victory has been achieved.
Theodore Kurita swapped his Orion for a Victor to escape the first world he fought on during the Fourth Succession War. How the other guy got his Victor to the LZ in one piece is a mystery for the ages.
Victor has always been a favorite of mine. Jumping AC20 is brutal.
The beefy boy Victor is a tough nut to crack. It can give a beating to anyone who underestimates it's power and mobility.
If you paint it black and white, it can look a lot like a panda.
My favorite 80 tonner due to the AC20 or Gauss in the arm (and JJ). The Awesome is raw firepower with its triple PPCs, but the Victor is mobile firepower and a mech you *DONT* want to brawl with at close range.
Can you do the crusader next?
Crusader's a little bit away. It's approximately 1 month away.
Replace the AC20 with a Gauss Rifle so it can shoot from afar. No need for much heat sinks so you can add thicker armor to make it more survivable. Machine guns and DFA leg mods or melee arm mods work well for close-range worth.
I ended up making a Victor I named Templar. Ferro-Fibrous armor, XL-320 engine, Double Sinks, 185mm AC-20 w/ 3 tons of ammo, SRM 6 w/ one ton of ammo, and 2 Lord's Light PPC's.
Thank you
Loose's art work in the original Technical Readout was always my favorite. No lower arm actuator.
The victor is a Fine Girl She has seen me Through many brawls and fights
In MW5, I usually remove the jump jets and increase the armor. That way my lance mates can actually survive
Victor 9Ka is cool because it's got improved jumpjets letting it mount one more JJ for the weight of 3.5 bringinit to the important 5 jump breakpoint where you're not taking a worse personality to shoot Sadly it's not really great in an actual fight 6 tons of ammo on the AC20 and heatsinkage I think the Gauss might have been a better option at that point.
House Davion Rules! At least in the 31st Century. 😁
My personal favorite
I love the variants that use the Gauss cannon, as those are especially effective when supported by faster mechs with good suppression ability. With that support, and some form of environmental cover, the Gauss cannon Victor becomes a deadly sniper.
3:15 I argue its really a Capellan mech as this one in St Ives Lancers colours demonstrates
Hmmmmmm. I dunno if I agree with that. But over time it definitely becomes one moreso, and there is that new version of it specifically for Liao.
Nice vid. I enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed :)
Victor: The Glass Cannon of Davion
I like this one it jumps, shoots (with a big gun) and has other fire power to back it up.
What a Amazing mech! Thanks.
Love the Victor!
I'd say drop the jump jets, throw on some more armor on your Core and AC/20 Arm and dance with a Battlemaster or Zeus and go to town. You'd almost think the Victor would be right at home in one of those Lyran scout lances! XD
+5 dad points for the pun
The Victor is... alright. In urban combat, it can really shine. But even there, it will never be more than a discount Highlander.
thanks for not faking your voice :)
The Gauss variant is the only useful in all terrain, with a better heat management.
exactly. My fav variant.
Good mech kind of the vanilla ice-cream of assaults but is a good mech. In most mechwarriors hands its a meh mech, but used by someone who knows what their doing it can be a serious threat. Good mech to train on to get use to assaults, you could easily do worse, could easily do better assaults, Victor will always be a gateway mech into assaults.
I have used mixed weapons, armor and equipment. XL engine to Gauss Rifle to laser boat.
I saw if I could just make a much nastier VTR-9B with current tech, unsurprisingly you can, and it's got max standard armour to boot, +Ultra AC-20. I laughed. I will see it in use in a campaign one day. lol
Ah the victor with an ultra 20 and srms what more can you ask for? The victor are shock troops, get in spend your ammo and go. The epitomy of a good time not a long time. I never put energy weapons on em since they're too hot or expensive.
I love these!
I hope to see you on MWO. boss..
Maybe one day! I used to be a MWO guy, but I just don't have time :(
@@BigRed40TECH well the PTS server is up... new skill tree is coming much simpler more builds. Hope to see you around in the servers if you find time.
@@mr6johnclark I just don't have time. I barely get the time to really do much anymore. Thankfully I enjoy what I do though :)
@@BigRed40TECH no prob.. hope you do more of these vids... so many more mechs so little time right?
You keep making'em i'll keep watching them!
@@mr6johnclark Video + stream every day takes a lot of time. lol. Script, edit, record, ect.
Personally the stock Victor to me acts like a bigger nastier of the 70 ton Grasshopper.
To me the victor is a little faster but poor functioning highlander. The thunderbolt has less one shot punch than the victor, but performs the most of the same role better.
Yes, the Victor is vulnerable in 'open' terrain. But, that is not what it was designed for. Urban, Jungle, and broken terrains are it's 'bread and butter'.
I have one player that rarely speaks to me this day, because I leaped an 80 ton Mech over a building and DFA'd his best pilot.
With upgrade technologies like, Endo, Ferro, XL Engines, Light Gyros or even Compact or Heavy Duty ones, Targeting Computers, DSHS, and such, The Victor can be even more lethal in it's 'native' environment.
So long as you don't deploy this Mech to an 'open' terrain, it can perform admirably. And with both a good Pilot, and good Tech, in it's 'element', it can come out as it's name suggests... The Victor.
With modded jumpjets that attempt to get it close to what it should be in MechWarrior 5 the stock configuration went from just 'aight to amazing.
Nothing fills me with more power than seeing an enemy 'mech several hundred metres away and just flying towards that bastard straight into effective range. It was then I learned how powerful jumpjets should be and that their power is not limited to that of just getting somewhere nice to lob a shot at long range like I thought they were. HBS Battletech affirms this and really taught me what that system can do and why some 'mechs sacrifice so much for it... Just some sacrifice a bit too much in my opinion (Hammerhands, Quickdraw, I'm looking at you).
Someday when I get to play tabletop I will hopefully get my hands on a Victor.
But the first time I fell in love with it was in MechWarrior 4, where there we had the VTR-10S albeit a bit heavier armed than canonically. That Heavy gauss and gauss combo is always a combination I found so fun in that game.
The Victor is honestly the Hollander's older brother. It's meant to be a 'gotcha' mech, that's best for ace pilots and dueling. The problem is obvious; you don't always get to pick your battles. This mech would be great in urban combat, since it's basically an Urbanmech. My biggest gripes with it are the poor armour, and the secondary weapons. I'd drop the ac20 for one or two ac10s, and if there's any weight saved, bump up its collection of secondary weapons. Oh and drop the srms, cause I hate them. I hate them so much.
There are countless widows mourning their loved ones, as their imperialistic Davion agressor mechs were torn asunder by brave Vindicators.
Xin Sheng
You charge AT a Victor. Not retreat from it. THAT is it's strength and weakness IMO. You can sucker a lance into closing with a Victor that shows itself...only to have the Victors lancemates arrive to crush an enemy that thought it could get an 'easy' kill.
Ah yes, the mech that is USELESS once it's AC arm is gone... And they always shoot the AC arm first.
No wonder your old man gets offed piloting one of these death traps in MW5.
DFA!!!
It's a good mech with good fire power. But it has poor emergency weapons, if the main cannon is destroyed then its almost completely useless in MW 5. I don't personally use it as my main mech because well, the highlander exist. But it's still a hard hitter and I have one as my personal backup if the highlander gets downed, so it's still good.
the victor is a FEDERATED SUNS mech? i thought it was a draconis mech just based off appearance, learn new things every day
took one look at it in the preview mechlab and determined ; it needed another 2 jump jets! ... if i stopped making builds for mechs before i get them i might actually spend enough time playing the actual game to get enough money to buy the mechs
i have determined it defenitely needed the extra jump jets
and also an SRM 6 for when someone decides being within 300m of the mech is a good idea
Combine got it later when they took the world from the Fedsuns, but at its core, it was always a Fedsun mech :)
This Video has made me think that it would be good if MW5 had missions that required jump jets to get to the goal, force people to try different tactics different mech loadouts. I normally drop jump jets for extra heat sinks or more weapons and armour.
Some do, I know for a fact kestrel lancers has one. I can’t name the other transmission quests that have spots where they tell you “hey life will be easier if you put jump jets on” but There’s two or three of em out there.
@@blondie5835 maybe it's because I am too direct and just like going in heavy and blasting everything in sight. I must admit, I do die more than I should in these games.
An assault mech should be a bullet magnet saving your other mechs from the attention or a completely over armed support mech :-) sadly the Victor is terrible at both so isn't really a good assault but is great if you are putting it against lighter mechs and vulnerable vehicles...i only get it if you can't find or afford anything else...but if you need a assault that can jump it's cheaper than a highlander :-)
I've always had a lot of success with the VTR in 3025. In 3050+, errrrr... Not my first choice.
Used properly in it's intended environment and with support this mech is a real force multiplier. However, the fact that the whole niche of this mech depended on a SINGLE weapon system makes it a rather average assault mech in my opinion, especially with the meagre amount of armor it has.
Seriously. Grampa Tex was right. Get an AWS 8Q instead. Way more endurance (Zombie mech, son), stronger armor, longer reach, and just all around user friendly with one blunder less likely to bit you in the posterior.
Soundtrack?
to me, i'd deploy the Victor the way i would deploy a Hunchback. both speed tops out at 64.8 kph & both seem very similar except its Assault sized and can jump.
Jumps, has more armour, and has SRM's, which are great at explointing holes made by the AC20
It's funny that the Victor uses a Pontiac engine when the car manufacturer irl died in 2010 while the mech was built in 2508. The lore did not age well.
You know, why would someone think that an 80 ton mech was a good thing to design for anti-infantry use ?
You skipped the 3 best variants: the 10L, 10S and 11D. I know they are all very faction flavored but damn, they all put serious pain downrange.
I love to fight these guys in Crocketts and Emperors. Win or lose it's a fun game.
I only cover 3 variants when I do these videos, as I try to just give an idea of what they're about, rather than completely deep diving them. In the far future I may do deeper videos on these subjects, but these are all designed to be short and informative. :)
Honestly i think it would have worked better at maybe 70 tons instead of 80.
I'd take almost any assault mech over a Victor outside of a city or mountainous envirmoment.
It's really good in forests I find.
My favorite IS mech is probably the Highlander. As a result of this I've never had much respect for the Victor. Why would I want a vic when there are perfectly good 732b waiting for your attention.
Less expensive, better in urban environments and better mobility with a lower battle value.
@@HarperStl So when you're on a diet then?
Never been a fan of it, for an assault if 80 tons it "wastes" to much tonnage on engine core and jump jets, mobility is nice but what's the point having an assault with heavy mobility but merely medium mech of armor and firepower in-between heavy and medium.
For 80 tons I'd rather go with an awesome, or just stick to marauder, Warhammer.
In a big long range shooting fight I'd definitely want the Marauder or Awesome. In close? If it gets there? Those guys are in big trouble.
@@BigRed40TECH possibly, still a believer that mechs should be specked according to their classes, lights fast and zippy with firepower being an afterthought, mediums the jack of all trades workhorse Swiss knifes, heavies with more emphasis in firepower and armor at the expense of speed and assaults just focussing on armor and firepower with speed being a mere afterthought.
If a mech doesn't fit it's class anymore the usually what happens is that it gets outclassed not just by it's class mechs but also of mechs of lower classes/tonnage.
No one would build an Abrams with twice the speed in mind if that means to downgrade it's weapon to a 40mm and shaving of half the armor. What's left is a fast target, that only gets somewhere with impressive speed to be murdered.
@@snakeplissken1754 Sure, but I've personally had a lot of success with the VTR on the tabeltop, especially in the Succession Wars. It hits hard, and if you can use it well and get it in close without too much damage, you're going to send most opponents packing. Sure, it doesn't want to fight an Atlas in close for the most part, but it'll take down most heavies, mediums, even other Assaults if it can use cover to close that distance. It's got a good reputation for a reason.
I think it mostly starts to suffer once you hit the 3050+ eras.
@@BigRed40TECH guess 3050+ the firepower just spiked massively duo to clan tech or helms core lostech. Then the lack of armor becomes even more visible when you try to close in.
Succession war has a bit of its own charm, just like WW2 era dogfights without targeting computers and missiles. The mechs are pretty basic in that era, single heatsinks, basic energy weapons and simple autocannons. When you add double heatsinks, er, pulse lasers, ultra acs, Endo steel, Ferro etc you change the game a lot.
I hate this mech just because of its associations. It's a decent machine though. The better-than-average maneuverability lets it bring that AC/20 to bear and even deliver a nasty punch with the off-hand in the same turn.
Loves cities
Loves hills
Loves Davion
Love me jumpjets
Hate open fields
Hate aerospace
Hate water
Hate Capellans not racist just don't like em
Simple as
lmfao
Not alot of people like capellans, they are the house everyone loves to hate.
I reaaaaaaally feel like vanilla ACs are poorly balanced. If I could figure out how to do houserules in MegaMek/MechHQ I'd drop the AC/10 to 10 tons, the AC 5 to 6.5 tons, and the AC 2 to 4 tons; the AC/10 and /5 would each use 1 less critical space, and I'd keep all other stats the same. Ultimately energy weapons will be superior still, but the vanilla ACs would be more competitive.
(I also tend to ignore the rule that the ammunition for the Rifles dont deal half-damage. I dont see why they couldnt fire ammunition made with modern alloys and such >_>. That of course is for modern-made Rifles. If its a vintage one from an Age of War era tank or something, then yeah, it would deal less damage, or risk breaking down whenever it fired a shot due to stress)
Was never a fan of the victor, mainly because it is a niche mech. Unless it is used to ambush, it is pretty ineffective. Even when it was up gunned, people didn't fear the mech, they only feared the gauss. Oh course, who wouldn't.
Take it out of the role of ambusher, or second line sniper (depending on the model), and you might as well call the salvage crew in early.
But isnt that the problem: The mech was created for City fighting, but if its forced out into the open then of course its lunch meat!! This is one of those mechs that if you try to force it to do something it cant, then you should not be surprised on getting your butt kicked hard.
@@dolomaticus1180 Like I said before, it is a niche mech.
The Victor has never really stood out to me. Its extremely terrain specific. In. The open id rather have a Zeus at the same weight and in a city fight if rather have Hunchbacks or urban mechs if you dont want to lose jump jets.
I’d rather have a Marauder