With the Dragonfly 2020 - it is not. I work at a PCB manufacturing plant and this obsoletes the entire manufacturing plant. The critical part is the size of the traces and spaces they can accurately print. Also...laser and iron work is very energy demanding, which means expensive. Some of these designs are too small though. Not all circuit boards are small. Many cannot be built on this small of a device.
In general all these machines are really cool, but until they cost $200 - $400 like some of the really great 3d printers out there, you can forget any significant sales or chunk of the market. The reason why 3d printing is popular is because you can buy a 3d printer for a price of a microwave, blender or a fridge. It's a manufacturing machine reduced to a price of a house appliance, otherwise the only parties interested in these machines are so called SME business, and very specific ones. So I'm glad we're going there, but all of these machines are where 3d printers were a decade ago. Which is kind of funny since CNCs have been around much longer than 3d printers.
spot on, its a restriction of technology just like with 3d printers and it's going to end up the same way, if we want it we will have to build it and release it
Voxel8 gives you the power to make your own costume integrated circuits. They will be bigger than other chips, but at leased you can do it. Use tiny surface mount packages when prototyping your chip.
Too much talking without mentioning what's the capability of the tools. How many layers can they do, what's the minimum line space, these are what I care most.
The strongest point they make is "you can print PCBs on your own and not waste time if you make mistakes" but yet you can print only 2 sided boards (apart from the first one, but that's an industrial machine so it shouldn't belong here). With only 2 layers I would say it's quite easy to check your design several times and make sure its not flawed...and send it to production and having it 1 week later for CHEAP. These machines are SO expensive that I wouldn't see myself buyng one for my job, let alone for myself. Unfortunately this is a very small market and I guess research and production for such machines requires a lot of money...I hope in the future we'll see better and cheaper devices.
Although I appreciate the efforts made. There is enough hindrance to innovation, just don't want to add to it. But Voxels seems quite underdeveloped. I am not sure how the heat will dissipate if we cover electronics with lost of plastic. Although the idea of 3D circuits would really be great
As an electronic practicing.. I really excited for those of newest inventions how to created PCB easily with very good quality by using small strong precise and sophisticated stuff like that.. May I get one...??? ummm.. ^_^ ...
Try Crysta technologies. www.crystatechnologies.com We have been using them for couple of years and found most epic service. They cover almost 100% capability from standard spec to highly critical specs.
These things are toys at best, even the expensive german printer make some quite crappy PCB with dubious "conductive ink", dont even seem to have goround plane and dont even mention impedance control, high speed signal performances or BGA. Why would we need toys PCBs when we have the real thing made in 24hours with 0.25mm drill and 5mil traces with the most basic 2 layer ones?
@@joemama7752 Nope. These would all *SUCK* for commercial use. conductive ink? seriously. The impedance and connection reliability of this will be terrible. Milled boards? Your track space, track width and minimum drill size is all going to be terrible. Drill bits in these things won't give you more than a few dozen holes. You got BGAs in your design? good luck with that. No commercial company is going to use these things. The capabilities of the PCB fab houses in china just simply blows these away. ENIG finishes, electrical testing, silk screening, laser drilled holes, PCB assembly... the list of additional features you get from the fab houses is simply overwhelming. And for the cost of these machines I can literally buy hundreds of boards (assembled) from the fab houses. Oh, but I don't get my design the same day. Waaaah... I get it in 7 days. Big deal.
it's strange inductive inkt is a old story! as in beautifull the inovations are, personal the reason why big company's did not come up with solutions like this is because of the inductive silver is like 40 dollars for 50 ml.
It's just for prototype, not for mass production. But can save a lot of money and time, compared with standard industry pattern. And yes, in the "electronic hardware industry" everything can be obsolete fast.
voltera looks nice. compact and good enough. but 4000+$ is still a bit too much. but for companies it could be worth it if it does the job. but for little staters or thats waaay too expensive
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None of these will replace the overseas manufacturers. The printed inked ones aren't going to stand up to abuse nor will they provide acceptable impedance characteristics for anything other than super simple led type hobby projects. The milled ones aren't going to get you plated through holes and they aren't going to get you decent size drills down below about 30mils. Also not going to get reliable 5mil track spacing or clearance. Good luck with your BGAs or 0.5mm pitch components. All that can be easily had with a suite of additional features in about 7 days for super cheap cost from a variety of chinese pcb makers. Nice ideas but we're a long way off still.
Estos inventos son buenos pero funcionan cuando hay altos recursos y cuyos diseños sean exclusivos de los cuales se obtengan altas ganancias. Es obvio el temor que hay cuando los prototipos son enviados a países como China donde roban la propiedad intelectual de occidente. Pero hay formas más económicas de crear un PCB para prototipo por lo que solo los geeks con altos recursos se harán con uno de estos aparatos.
cringe a$$ propaganda music and product. 1. Westrg 2. Carvera / Carvera Air Imagine spending over 5k$ for a "PCB printer" and only "print" nothing more.
Voltera, we wantr to bring smth to makers. Spend your 4000 dollars on our "Desktop" pcb printer and create. After spending so much money of pcb printer i would starve to death. JLPCB ftw.
"top 5", but no tests are made. Just fancy music propaganda.
and all are priced for professional use, not aimed for hobbyists....
I don't think you know what propaganda is
easy clickbait 193k views.
@@UserName-eb9oy Lol, it's funny how much people misuse words like that. But I understand where they are coming from.
👍 Hi, excellent, but expensive, we will do on a laser printer and iron
With the Dragonfly 2020 - it is not. I work at a PCB manufacturing plant and this obsoletes the entire manufacturing plant. The critical part is the size of the traces and spaces they can accurately print. Also...laser and iron work is very energy demanding, which means expensive. Some of these designs are too small though. Not all circuit boards are small. Many cannot be built on this small of a device.
Great! But first I desperately need a 3D-Dollarprinter!..
:):) WONDERFUL ANSWER AND JUST GOOD ENOUGH FOR WAX ON WAX OFF. ;)
interesting technology congratulations and success
what is the point of the embedded 3d printing? If you have to repair your circuit you cannot. It promotes wastage by being non recyclable.
In general all these machines are really cool, but until they cost $200 - $400 like some of the really great 3d printers out there, you can forget any significant sales or chunk of the market. The reason why 3d printing is popular is because you can buy a 3d printer for a price of a microwave, blender or a fridge. It's a manufacturing machine reduced to a price of a house appliance, otherwise the only parties interested in these machines are so called SME business, and very specific ones. So I'm glad we're going there, but all of these machines are where 3d printers were a decade ago. Which is kind of funny since CNCs have been around much longer than 3d printers.
spot on, its a restriction of technology just like with 3d printers and it's going to end up the same way, if we want it we will have to build it and release it
I love in the voxel8 how theyre printing circuits into 3d parts only to put a old school pcb into the drone.
what a cool idea burying ic's into molten plastic mixed with conductive ink so it look like my cat litter !
what a great achievement
Cool info, thanks :)
Are these products really good?
Really cool.With this you can even make a cellphone at home.
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Voxel8 gives you the power to make your own costume integrated circuits.
They will be bigger than other chips, but at leased you can do it.
Use tiny surface mount packages when prototyping your chip.
Really awesome tech ! It is worth to live if u can use such creative tools !
Too much talking without mentioning what's the capability of the tools. How many layers can they do, what's the minimum line space, these are what I care most.
Yes, welcome to vaporware.
The strongest point they make is "you can print PCBs on your own and not waste time if you make mistakes" but yet you can print only 2 sided boards (apart from the first one, but that's an industrial machine so it shouldn't belong here). With only 2 layers I would say it's quite easy to check your design several times and make sure its not flawed...and send it to production and having it 1 week later for CHEAP. These machines are SO expensive that I wouldn't see myself buyng one for my job, let alone for myself. Unfortunately this is a very small market and I guess research and production for such machines requires a lot of money...I hope in the future we'll see better and cheaper devices.
What the price of 1st machine of the video? Nano Dimension DragonFly 2020.
300k
@@mukhamejanomar8198 300k USD is much more expensive than I imagined. I speculated around 100k USD.
Superb 🥰
thanks man
Although I appreciate the efforts made. There is enough hindrance to innovation, just don't want to add to it. But Voxels seems quite underdeveloped. I am not sure how the heat will dissipate if we cover electronics with lost of plastic. Although the idea of 3D circuits would really be great
*lots
7:40 , and the hell are you going to repair/diagnose anything in such embedded piece of hardware??
Print a new one, but don't forget to buy more of our proprietary consumables!
nice . top5 made PCB
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I am very interested to know more about this device, may I know the cost
Could you find product links in the description
As an electronic practicing.. I really excited for those of newest inventions how to created PCB easily with very good quality by using small strong precise and sophisticated stuff like that.. May I get one...??? ummm.. ^_^ ...
*How many trillions and trillions of dollars do that machine cost?*
I want to buy one of this 3D pcb printer and cutter. How to contact you?
I order PCB almost for free in China and it's ready during 5 days )))
Were I need clear addr
Try Crysta technologies. www.crystatechnologies.com
We have been using them for couple of years and found most epic service. They cover almost 100% capability from standard spec to highly critical specs.
Sales@crystatechnologies.com just send enquiries for pcbs here.
These things are toys at best, even the expensive german printer make some quite crappy PCB with dubious "conductive ink", dont even seem to have goround plane and dont even mention impedance control, high speed signal performances or BGA. Why would we need toys PCBs when we have the real thing made in 24hours with 0.25mm drill and 5mil traces with the most basic 2 layer ones?
honestly id rather wait 3 workdays and pay 2$ for 5 pcb s than pay thousands for those things..
@@joemama7752 Nope. These would all *SUCK* for commercial use. conductive ink? seriously. The impedance and connection reliability of this will be terrible. Milled boards? Your track space, track width and minimum drill size is all going to be terrible. Drill bits in these things won't give you more than a few dozen holes. You got BGAs in your design? good luck with that. No commercial company is going to use these things. The capabilities of the PCB fab houses in china just simply blows these away. ENIG finishes, electrical testing, silk screening, laser drilled holes, PCB assembly... the list of additional features you get from the fab houses is simply overwhelming. And for the cost of these machines I can literally buy hundreds of boards (assembled) from the fab houses. Oh, but I don't get my design the same day. Waaaah... I get it in 7 days. Big deal.
2:35 - He really hates those damn factories.
Title shall be: "Top 5 PCB garbage for amateurs spend all their money"
I happen to be an amateur looking for a solution to make prototype PCBs. Are there any products you do recommend?
@@travistrue2008 I guess that's a "no"
@@travistrue2008 They're just mad at the price tag.
plz tell me the cost of this machine
Please what is model number of this 3d printer
Which is the best one????
Anything but the voltera.
it's strange inductive inkt is a old story! as in beautifull the inovations are, personal the reason why big company's did not come up with solutions like this is because of the inductive silver is like 40 dollars for 50 ml.
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Awesome video! Our company is partnering with a PCB maker called Hampoo. Their desktop pcb products are the best I've ever seen in China.
whats the name of the song on the Prometheus CNC part of the video?
Starting at $50,000 and going as high as $100,000 just for the first model alone... Hmmm, where did I put my piggy bank?
Excellent innovation 👍
You do not have a Accurate CNC Inc. machine in your list. You might want to check them out.
Defcon badges FTW
not very usefull. unless it can handle var ,muilte layers and draw 7 mil line
Shrinking Ps4 in the size of palm interesting.
Just toys, the other mill is the only one I would consider... Because on top of the cost of printer paying for the ink?
Please I need this printer how much rate for this product
Pricing is available on our store, www.voltera.io/store/
Voltera V-One Do you ship to Brazil?
These are toy stuff. No way in next 5-8 years that they can go into the mainstream application.
It's just for prototype, not for mass production. But can save a lot of money and time, compared with standard industry pattern. And yes, in the "electronic hardware industry" everything can be obsolete fast.
voltera looks nice. compact and good enough. but 4000+$ is still a bit too much. but for companies it could be worth it if it does the job. but for little staters or thats waaay too expensive
katarina ilic is so beautiful
No prices given = Expensive $$$$
nice
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Half these links don't even work
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Anyone serious about pcb isolation milling will always buy LPKF machines...
None of these will replace the overseas manufacturers. The printed inked ones aren't going to stand up to abuse nor will they provide acceptable impedance characteristics for anything other than super simple led type hobby projects. The milled ones aren't going to get you plated through holes and they aren't going to get you decent size drills down below about 30mils. Also not going to get reliable 5mil track spacing or clearance. Good luck with your BGAs or 0.5mm pitch components. All that can be easily had with a suite of additional features in about 7 days for super cheap cost from a variety of chinese pcb makers. Nice ideas but we're a long way off still.
it cannot drill a var
A machine making other machine, this is how it starts: the beginning of the end of mankind.
MasterMindmars how do you think they’re made now and have been for many years?
It's the world of robots..
I admire the work, but at 4:40, the team at Voltera missed out on New Zealand! That poor country gets chucked out of so many maps, Come on!
Excelent
Just get a 3018, cheap af and does the job.
Hi do you have a link for this device plz?
Nano Dimension DragonFly 2020 - world’s first 3-D PCB printer : www.nano-di.com/3d-printer
Voltera V-One - Circuit Board Prototyping Machine : www.voltera.io/
The Othermill: A Desktop CNC Mill for Electronics :
amzn.to/37V7FXb
kck.st/11MeCCd
Voxel8: 3D Electronics Printing : www.voxel8.com/
Prometheus PCB Milling Machine : www.zippyrobotics.com/
Voxel 8 = no more repairs of anything. Great for corporations, bummer for consumer, maybe OKish for specific highly integrated products.
Mecatronics engineer isn't just a ONI thing I guess lol.
2:13 If jesus says it, it must be the truth
Estos inventos son buenos pero funcionan cuando hay altos recursos y cuyos diseños sean exclusivos de los cuales se obtengan altas ganancias. Es obvio el temor que hay cuando los prototipos son enviados a países como China donde roban la propiedad intelectual de occidente. Pero hay formas más económicas de crear un PCB para prototipo por lo que solo los geeks con altos recursos se harán con uno de estos aparatos.
6:04 I’m convinced
Get to the point ffs
Ye machine kitne paise ki Indian rupies
*HOW MANY TRILLIONS OF $$$$ DO THOSE PRINTERS COST?*
The Voltera V-One is $3,499 USD. For more information check out www.voltera.io
They have also managed to incorporate macro transactions into their machine.
Can make cpu from this machine ?
What
How the fuck am I meant to afford any of these?
2019: informedia buys pcbs from china
2020: informedia sells pcbs to china...
Wow🧋🍮☕
cringe a$$ propaganda music and product.
1. Westrg
2. Carvera / Carvera Air
Imagine spending over 5k$ for a "PCB printer" and only "print" nothing more.
Voltera, we wantr to bring smth to makers. Spend your 4000 dollars on our "Desktop" pcb printer and create. After spending so much money of pcb printer i would starve to death. JLPCB ftw.
to much money
Build in China... Great, I will wait for cheaper knock off.