I got denied from USC film school. I kept at it by shooting and editing my own films for YEARS. I made a cheap music video for a friends and it ended up in front of a director of a Sylvester Stallone film. They hired me to shoot additional photography for the film after only seeing my WORK.
Plus 3 years of learning from filmmakers in the industry on filmmaking principles and making small projects with funding, and then doing the same thing with more initial connections. Not the end of the world if you go to film school. It's not like STEM where it's a necessity, that's obvious, seeing as how that schooling is meant to add to your passion. Everyone understands the work you put in to fulfill your goals is what matters. It's not detrimental if you don't go. It's just an addition if you do, and not the end of the world.
I'm in a completely different boat than most of you. I wanted to go to USC film back in the 80s. But I had no confidence or money, so I went into the military instead. When I got home I got a job, a car and a place to live. No time for school anymore. I'm retired early, and took another job (I actually work at USC) I'm debating should I complete an item on my bucket list and enroll. It's free for employees. But no way could I pass a SAT and my grades from high school are written on clay tablets. But I'd still like to give it try.
Gary Carbo i think you should at least try because you get a pretty good employee discount. Whatever you want to do is best. But i think the sooner the better if you go.
Hey! I'm a veteran too. There is VFT in Los Angeles. Veterans in Film and Television. They offer free courses for video editing among many other things. You should join. I am a screenwriter and actress.
Gary Carbo hey Gary I'm in the same situation as you;I come from humble beginnings,I couldn't afford to study so I started to work at 18,I'm 33 now and I'll start my 2 years digital film production course at SAE institute here in England in September,it's never too late pal,this is not a sport this is an art form and there is no age when it comes to be creative,also,I bet you have a lot of stories when you was in the army (salute you) ...bottom line is:if you can afford it and you passionate about it go for it,now or never,don't let insecurities and fear stop you,good luck in anything you do pal.
I know this video came out over a year ago but I just wanted to give my opinion on it. I'm a HS senior about to apply to some film schools. Unlike most people, my passion for film came recently. I didn't grow up wanting to direct movies, I just did a school project where I editing a video and found my profound love for editing and production. At any rate, I totally get why you dropped out of film school, especially USC. there's a bit of an issue with USC. Every aspiring filmmaker is told that they should apply to USC because it's the best film school in the world. But nobody ever actually pays attention to the kind of filmmaker USC wants to make. USC (and Chapman) are trying to send out students that will end up directing big budget, franchise Hollywood movies. And as any film critic will tell you, in these kinds of movies, a significant amount of creativity, character development, and good writing is replaced with action scenes, fancy cinematography, and cliffhanger endings intended for sub-par sequels. That's why USC isn't the right place for some, and even most filmmakers. Other colleges, like UCLA and LMU tend to focus on independent film, and your own personal creativity and your own voice. That's why I think that telling every kid that wants to make movies to apply to USC isn't the right idea. Every school wants a different student and want to produce a certain kind of Alumnus. You should always understand what kind of filmmaker you want to become, and if the school you're applying to is the right fit for you. That's my two cents.
I've been randomly bingeing these kinds of videos and it is rare to find someone so humble and self-aware when discussing this subject. Everyone wants to think that they are too enlightened and unique to sit in a classroom, but no one wants to admit that some of these schools out here are kicking students' asses. I'm happy to go to CAL, but I wouldn't wish some of my coursework on my worst enemy. Everyone will not thrive everywhere and being a creative requires different kind of brilliance regardless.
I admire your decision. Stay true to your passion and always create your own path. Heres a quote I kept on thinking about while watching your video "Realize that sleeping on a futon when you're 30 is not the worst thing. You know what's worse, sleeping in a king bed next to a wife you're not really in love with but for some reason you married, and you got a couple kids, and you got a job you hate. You'll be laying there fantasizing about sleeping on a futon. There's no risk when you go after a dream. There's a tremendous amount to risk to playing it safe"-Bill Burrr
This is the first time I encountered someone talking about this topic. I also dropped out of a film school (in Thailand where I live). Filmmaking has always been one thing that I truly love and never get tired of, but once I got there and experienced it for almost a year, I realized I lost my passion for it bit by bit. I was so scared to think that 'this is not for me' but the environment, the people and what I got so far were not for me at all. I then realized that it's not that I lost passion in filmmaking but the place was not for me. It took only one day for me to decide that I wanted to drop out, it was an easy decision for me. I still think about it time to time but I guess people have different ways to achieve a goal. Mine is just not going to a film school, graduating and getting a job. Anyway, thank you so much for sharing this and I wish you the best of luck!
N thank you for your comment, pursue your passion! Sometimes our passions change and evolve, I mean our society is an evolving beast as well. So many different types of jobs/positions these days
I've been debating for almost a decade now about whether or not to go to school for film. I've googled "do I go, do I not" countless times and every time I came across an article or forum thread that had film school cons, it was always "it just sucks". Which is never a valid, or complete argument. I came across your video when I googled film school vlog for a semester paper I'm writing for my current communications degree at a community college - my topic is "Film School or No Film School, that is the Question" and I was in need of some examples that aren't necessarily pro-film school. I was honestly surprised that you didn't just say film school bites and ended the video after ten seconds. You have solid reasons why you dropped out, but yet, you still listed some pros to going to film school. Thank you for your video. And you're moment about sending your appeal was fantastic! I wouldn't' have had the guts to do that, let alone say that I'd prove the school wrong.
Thanks so much for your comment! I definitely had the same experience researching film schools before I went. People either thought it was absolutely necessary or a waste of money but I think it's much more nuanced than that. Good luck to you!
This video reminds me of my story so much. I got accepted into UT’s film program but they didn’t offer me financial aid and I ended up going to a community college where I learned more than most university film students that I know.
Hi! I actually got admitted to UT's film program but I'm unsure if I should attend due to not really having the money. Do you have any advice since you took a different route?
Brian thanks for sharing your story. Like you, I was no stellar student student in high school and yet somehow I got into the USC School of Cinematic Arts as a Crit Studies major. I can't say I was dead set on film since age 5 like you or many of my peers in SCA but rather it was a major I thought would be fun. I've now finished my Sophomore year and have decided that SCA just isn't where I want to be and doing script coverage and making coffee runs wasn't what I wanted to be doing for a future career. I still love USC though and am switching my major to Journalism next semester. I can take a while to drop the prestige factor of the film school out of your head when ultimately trying to decide if it's right for you, but it sounds like you made the right decision and best of luck to you in the future.
You can't imagine how much emotional you just got me here, almost in tears. I actually came through this videos because i am kind of in a similar position here and thinking to make through filmmaking i will have to go through some sort of academics and all that. Dreams really get crushed especially in fields like this, you could end up making films just for your eyes and never get recognized, apparently, guess the only option will definitely be for you to go ahead on your life choices.
Perspectral there's no set path you have to take to make it. all I can say is follow what your gut tells you and work through what you have. I really appreciate you sharing, best of luck to you.
This is really helpful for me. I recently enrolled and got accepted into a film program in San Francisco. At first I was kind of disappointed that I didn’t go to a more “prestigious” school. I could’ve but money was a boundary. Anyways now I’m at my school and it is a very different type of college. Classes are 20 ppl at most, it is VERY diverse, and it small. But hearing your perspective on USC made me realize that my school really fits me. We don’t do GE’s or at least not like how other colleges do them. We don’t have giant lecture classrooms, they are all small and intimate. Big opportunities are here if you chase them. Thank you for making me realize all colleges have their flaws and not all of them fit every type of person.
I love this video! I'm currently at USC for Computer Science and Business, not for the money, but because it's actually the perfect major for me. When I saw that I would have to pay so much tuition though, I was depressed because I thought I couldn't go. But luckily, my parents supported me going fully and do their best to take care of the cost. I'm glad that this video was about how you need to do what's best for you, even if you have to make sacrifices, instead of just shaming people who DO decide to go through all the crap college puts on you.
interesting how USC, one of the best film schools in the world is teaching "Rule of Thirds" and I'm going over how Cooke primes have a slower focus fall off than other lenses and how film solve this problem (which btw is a fact) in high school freshman,
I’ll be making a video about this soon. I had the same similar experience except I went to film school and finished it. Strange isn’t it lol. But overall I lost the passion for filming, my very first year was a waste, rules I had known, things I picked up online. On my very first class my professor turned the Tv on, put on a RUclips video and left the classroom. (Wordddd?) 🤙🏻🤙🏻 My hopes crushed. I stopped coming too class and had to rethink my life. I talked it over with some other classmates and tried to be more patient. 🤧 Then i stepped into editing and really that’s where I gained the most knowledge.I began editing on premiere being that my only prior knowledge was Windows movie maker. My second year we created our thesis and that was it. Two years of my life... for that. 😑 Film school from my experience just shows you how to make a project, there’s no path to a job it’s the same road with or without it. Freelance, interning, coffee jogs. You have to understand that once your out there that piece of Paper means nothing. Yeah maybe some jobs will think your smart because you have a degree, but that’s some jobs. In case your wondering 🤔 Now I currently freelance, but at the same time I’m seeking a job for stability just until I get this RUclips thing working. Lastly and sorry 😥 I want to help all of you 🤗 Some tips: •Know the difference between being patient and wasting your time. •RUclips the hell out of everything. Peter McKinnon, Justin Odisho, Daniel Schiffer. Try skillshare. •talk to people •Have clarity, people in this business don’t want your whole life story or vague idea be straightforward. *go out and shoot boii, get your squad up and get them bangers out. Peace 👊🏼
MKLORD oh yeah, he tried to get into the film school 3 times but went to cal state Long Beach instead (my alma mater. I now go to usc Marshall for grad school) anyway, Steven Spielberg still has ties to usc, I think I’ve read somewhere that he has donated millions to the school.
When you do happen to make a remarkable film, one that outshines in so many angles, will the audience ask? What school did you graduate from ? Or will they ask, who is this director ?
You don't need film school to succeed in the film industry, however, the networking connections built from it can really help. The internships can really help. The general ed, as much as you hate it, can really help. How does it help? It requires discipline to learn a subject you don't care about, to do the homework, to study for the tests, to pass, etc. This is a similar kind of discipline you need when working jobs you don't like, or on projects you don't love. In the film industry, there will be a lot of jobs that aren't enjoyable as you try to work your way up to the ones you love. I agree that not everyone needs film school. I think people who skip film school just need to be extra good at self promoting and getting their foot in the door.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I got into USC this year and I'm debating going. It seems silly if I don't go given how prestigious it is and how few people have an opportunity like this. I don't want to be left wondering "what if?" Thankfully, I can afford going without going into debt, but I'm still wondering if it even makes sense to go. It seems that the prevailing wisdom is to not go to film school and just make stuff. I see heaps of really talented kids get rejected while kids whose films I don't like get in. I'm wondering if I will even like most of my classmates, which scares me. I want to find a group of people to help me make films, cause their obviously difficult to make without a solid crew of dedicated people. This is where film school makes sense, but again, I'm having trouble finding many other accepted films that I truly enjoyed. It would be great to hear your thoughts, cheers.
Evan O'Brien it's a really difficult decision and there's really no right or wrong answer. I don't want to ever dissuade someone from going. It just wasn't for me but I don't regret going cause it got me to where I am today. There's also a million different paths to get to where you want to be, so if one doesn't work you just try the next one. The only way I've found to make these types of decisions is to follow your gut. Even if you don't go it's still an accomplishment in itself to get in. Hope that helps
Wow, my exact feelings defined. Im going to USC in the fall after it having been my dream since I was five, after working my ass to make and create not just films but groups of people who love it like I do. And thats why I was a bit scared of USC, am I going to be challenged in my character, creativity, person? Yes, its prestigious. But are there going to be people willing to push the business and push themselves beyond 'achievments'. If you end up at USC and you need a couple 'weird ones' hmu.
aye! I will be there in the fall. Glad to find someone in my class who went through the same thought process. I went and visited after I made this comment and I met lots of cool people who seemed very driven. Sounds like you'll be one of them. Where can I watch your films? I'd love to see your work! and congrats!
@@brainroseSo brave of you to share your situations. I appreciate that. Wouldn't it be amazing if we had a system which does not kills passion of youth. Every damn thing in this world needs money and it's sickening.
The thing about film school is that if you're looking at it purely from a production point of view it's not worth it. But education is not solely about vocational skills. It's about education in general. Film is just a medium of story telling and our experiences inform our creative output. Education is an experience. The books we read, the way we read them, the films we watch, the way we watch them.. there's a case to be made for the value of higher education in general. You are missing out on something by not going. Whether or not you care is a different matter. Now this isn't to say you can't be a storyteller without a degree. You can. But you have to figure out what sort of storyteller you want to be. How much value does education bring to your practice and how much do you, as a person, value education? Film school is absolutely worth it. All school is worth it. The problem is unrealistic expectations from students. An education is an education and it doesn't somehow make you exempt from all the outside requirements that your chosen professional may entail eg. internships, personal projects etc. An education is the groundwork that informs practice, not the practice itself.
Sure - I think education is vital if you want a career but my main point is that a fancy expensive film school is not the only place you can get an education. I got my education from a CTE academy program I did in high school. I think we have to stop thinking that education is 4 years of an institution and start thinking of education as a continual process regardless whether it’s in a lecture hall, reading books, on the job training, seminars, or researching on the internet. There are so many other educational resources out there.
Very proud of you. Take your risks and never have too many regrets! The bigger regret is in never trying. Your a fine man, true to your self and your convictions.
Thanks for sharing your story, I'm a filmmaker still in high school and looking at colleges. USC was one of the schools we looked at and of course it looked absolutely amazing from my first impressions. I'm still thinking about my future, but I know I want to be a filmmaker 100%. Thanks for the advice!
I have never had a paying job or been hired period for filmmaking. I’m just starting out but should I make a short reel to showcase my style and what I can do?
@@brainrose this is so funny looking back. I received this notification because I accidentally signed into this old account lol. 2 years into college, already dropped out of film school to pursue music, switched majors and schools 3 times already. the pandemic was a nasty experience!
I got kicked out of the most famous and elite academy for film and theatre in my country. In the first semester of the first year. At first it felt so bad i felt like i disappointed everybody that believed in me. I cried my soul out. But after calming down and taking deep breaths, i started thinking for MYSELF. What i wanted to do with my life. There's another university in my country that 60-70% of the people who work in this industry really don't like. Because it doesn't fuck up you social life n your physical and mental health. I didn't want to fuck my health for that. I almost lost my passion and gave up on filmmaking. And as you said not everybody fit in certain places. I think i'll be happy and passionate to study in my new university. Thanks for the video!!!
There seems to be some weird stigma around film schools nowadays. "You don't need film school. Everyone who's an amazing filmmaker didn't go to film school" But I feel like nobody is giving credit to film school. Yes people didn't go to film school and still made it. These are also people who were already highly talented and extremely hard workers, plus they all got lucky in some form. Film school is a great option to work with people in the industry while learning in a safer college environment AND to network with likeminded people. There's no right or wrong here, just thought I would throw in a different opinion
Yeah that was one thing I was trying to convey in the video. Film school can certainly be a good path but it's not for everyone and it's definitely not the only path
I would love to go to USC although I don’t have anything to qualify for it haha, but hearing your story on how you personally felt and the road less traveled is really eye opening. Thank you for sharing something i don’t even see that many people on this site talk about. Keep posting your films mdude, I believe you can make it big
I hope you really become a huge filmmaker. Blockbusters and stuff. You would look great in glasses btw, exxtra swag yadig? Thanks for the vid btw, I enjoyed your story.
You and I are much alike. You like doing things on your own and not adapting to the norm...that’s me. I never knew I’d find anyone else with the same mindset! Anyways go you! You did good by sticking to your core beliefs about filmmaking.
that's so cool man, I know you might not see this comment but I actually had a very similar experience last fall, I loved taking photos and I wanted to make it a career so I listened to everyone and went to college for it, almost as soon as I got there I knew it wasn't for me, I'm and independent person and I like to set goals and reach them by myself with creativity and little structure, so I finished the first semester and didn't go back, I've traveled 37 states now and I can confidently say I made the right decision
Film school is important especially for networking ,you get a chance to get a team that you can work with in school or even after, this helps you build each others careers. If you have the chance go ahead and finish, it will eventually pay off at the end.
@@brainrose It's a good question. It helps one know that it's not necessary to go to film school to join the industry and that there are very many different channels for one to achieve your goal. I remember I also wanted to join film school but since I couldn't afford it many of the videos watched like this gave me the courage to stop feeling but for myself but rather work hard on my own, and it pay off cause I managed to get to know alot in very little time.But it also showed me that having people to work with can take a very long way too, it helps ease the burden.So for me I think it's worth it.
My man. You are a hero dude. Same boat as you. Always sucked at school. Have made dozens of films and work freelance now. 23. Did not make it into the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS applied three times, shit grades. Now moving to Montreal to do FILM STUDIES. Didn't get into film production. So weird what these schools put you through and what they really value about their filmmakers.. WE'LL PROVE THEM WRONG BRO!
Honestly if u really want to succeed in the film industry. The university you go to really does not matter. You BFA is just a piece of paper. It's about making connections, showing people your work, showing your talent, believing in yourself and consistency. That is what will take u places
brain Absolutely appreciate you man for sharing your story through this video post. I have made the move to Los Angeles and am meeting as many people as I can in the industry. Would love to connect with you and view some of your projects. May I get your email? You can reach me at sharkindustries035@gmail.com. Much love brother LETS DO THIS! 🎥 -Sterling
Man, you're so inspiring. I really appreciated your honesty and perspicacity. It gives a relevant perspective regarding film schools. I wish you the best for the achieving of your dreams. Greetings from Switzerland
That letter was pretty amazing though. Very passionate. This video was interesting to watch as a high school student who’s interested in potentially going to film school. Great job!
Listen man, I come back to this video from time to time when I lose confidence in myself in whether or not I'm ever going to make it to where i want to be in the industry, and I can honestly say that I get chills watching it every time. Your story inspires me to keep going and to push myself harder to keep writing and to stay headstrong with my projects. I just graduated high school four months ago and I've been kinda lost trying to figure out if I should end up going to film school. But found this video again and it reminded me of why i told myself to not waste the money i don't even have on school. It's because I believe in my passion for this art, that i can make it on my own, with my own ambition and gumption. I don't have a whole lot of experience yet but i know that I've got what it takes, i can feel it. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is thank you for posting this and sharing your story, it gets me motivated without fail every time.
Wow, thank you for sharing this. It means so much to know my experience has helped someone. The years right after high school can be very hard to navigate. But stay motivated, keep at it, and don't forget your passion. Best of luck to you, my friend
Hey man, I don't care if you reply to me, but I think it is really cool that you are trying to do your own thing. I go to The University of Alabama and I really wanted to go to USC. I just wanted to say, keep grinding and keep making quality content. Good shit man, love the videos. 👍🏽
I think the problem with film school is that it’s ultimately preparing you for the jobs you’ll have at the end of your career rather than the ones that you’ll have straight out of college,. Only a few of the many jobs in film require that you have creativity and ideas, and frequently they’re jobs where people are betting a lot of money on you doing your job right, so it’s very unlikely that they’ll take a risk on a fresh film school grad. The one exception seems to be editing where it costs nothing to let an assistant editor try to edit a scene compared to the hundreds of thousands that it would cost to let a PA try to direct a movie. Ultimately, film school definitely makes you a better filmmaker and the gen-ed classes combined with your life experiences give you critical thinking skills to be able to have something meaningful to say about the world in your films. However, this all assumes that you’ll get to the point where you’ll be able to make your own films or at least be in a key creative role, which as I mentioned before, film school by no means guarantees.
I transferred to a small film school for undergrad, but it was a BFA, so I didn't have to do GE there. Got my GE done at a cheaper school, but film school was the best decision of my life. Now, I'm working on moving to LA.
I went through hell finishing my undergrad degree and totally know what you mean about not being an academic. Universities work for certain type of students, mostly people who are good at memorizing content, and some of us are intelligent in other ways. Good vid bro! :)
Brian - I love how honest and in touch you are with everything. Your video caught my eye because I've got a 17 year old son (HS Soph) and we've had many talks about Film Schools (USC being one of them). This kid is unique in so many ways... several passions (deep knowledge and love of animals, writing, the movie industry overall). In his off time, that's all he thinks about. He, like you, sorta figured it out early - with his regular studying of the industry, his knowledge level is so high, he wants to sorta jump right into what he loves (not more math, spanish...). - He's not your typical high school student at all. He had a life saving bone marrow transplant at age 8, he loves sports, but doesn't have the stamina for it, too much school/studying causes him to have headaches, A/B student, average SATs, not a Tekkie, but knows his cameras/camcorders, etc. Any suggestions/ideas for a kid that really wants to write/direct movies (mostly his own vision)...I'd love to help direct/navigate, but not sure how best to help him? Money is not an issue. Thanks! R
If he feels the need to go to Film School, then he should go. But if he's got most of it already figured out, then I don't see a reason why he'd want to go, I mean everything they teach is available on the internet for free! I've been doing film for over 5 years and don't feel like going to Film School. Maybe if it was a school like USC I'd go, but my parents are pushing me to go to one these really amateur like Film Schools... We visited 3 of them so far, and after they'd hear what I've done so far Film wise, they all told me and my parents that I'm overqualified for their program... But my parents still believe that I have to go. It's amazing to see that you're an understanding parent, and I hope your son sees and appreciates that! My thought is, don't push it on him like my parents push it on me. If he wants to go then let him go, if he doesn't it's still fine. As I said above, you can learn everything you need to know on the Internet, and nobody in the Film industry cares if you went to Film school or not (I mean there are literally great filmmakers out there who never even finished High School). I think the fact that most great Directors never went to Film School is telling you a lot about this. A friend of mine who works in the Film industry once told me: "You can finish High School, start working on sets, do smaller jobs like carry around coffee and stuff like that, meet new people and just work your way up like most people do. Or you can go to Film School, spend thousands of dollars and again end up carrying coffee because you still have to work your way up." Just goes to show you how unnecessary Film School is, if you already know what you're doing. The biggest problem with Film School in my opinion is the fact that they're trying to teach you that there's a "right way" of doing things. You can't just teach someone art. Because if you tell 30 kids that this is the right way to do something and this is the wrong way, you'll end up with 30 kids doing the same thing. And that's not good, because there's no originality. The Filmmakers who stand out from everyone else are the ones who are different and make new things that people haven't seen before. Just my thoughts on all of this, hope it helps, and thank you for being such a reasonable parent! :)
Rena Rice thank you for your comment! Sounds like your son has his mind in the right place. A lot of it depends on what direction he feels is best for him. I wanted to find my own way so I'm pretty much self-employed. That means a lot of weddings and corporate videos(which is a lot of responsibility and stress) but it allows me to also do my own work and express my own creativity. Some people rather work their way up, which may be the safer route, but it means years of working to fulfill someone else's vision until you get to a place where you can do your own thing. Film school would help you in both scenarios, but it's certainly not necessary. It'll teach you a lot, but everything you learn can also be learned by doing or online. I think you really have to want to go to college to be successful there. Like still want to finish college, just not film school. Right now I'm taking one or two classes a semester at a state school (going for a degree in communication) while I focus on freelancing video. There's definitely not just one path you can take! It might be good if your son could volunteer on any film sets near where you live. Or even community television. That might give him a better sense if he likes working in the more "traditional" industry. Hope that helps and best of luck to him!
It's all about connections. How do you expect a small city aspiring film-maker to make it in Hollywood? It's what you make of it. Stop regurgitating what many top filmmakers say. We don't live in the 80-90's anymore where it was easier to get into film making like they did. Stop making it sound easy and bash film school. Everyone says "do not go to film school, it's a waste of time" Well not to be an asshole but those same people are nowhere with their films. Everything is on the internet and if he really does want to learn of course anyone can. But, the thing is unless you're a genius like Tarantino it's going to be difficult. Id at least recommend going for 1 year to know the feel of it. If he does not like it, drop out. There he will meet like-minded individuals who he can collaborate with and help each other to get where they want to be. He can unleash his full potential and even learn things he can't on the internet.
I didn't bother applying to USC because I knew coming out of high school that I didn't have the grades for it either. I was also in remedial classes, I was diagnosed with ADHD/ADD, yes hybrid diagnosis exist and never took any film classes in high school. Matter of fact I worked in Stagecraft and Theater and liked it. The film program there at my high school started as soon as I graduated. My education was watching a lot of films when I was younger and studying them like PT Anderson, Tarantino, and Kevin Smith. I also read books as well and learning from online. I ended up going to community college to see if I really wanted to pursue film. I ended up doing two short films there. I also was exposed to Truffaut, Lange, and Eisenstein in my media aesthetics class which I thought was very insightful. So without that, I wouldn't have known about earlier films and my passion for watching them. Even before I attended college I had this preconceived notion that college was reading a bunch of books and doing research. From my experience part of it is, but it's also about what you do with that knowledge. It's taking initiative and completing task whether it's hands-on or studying or doing a paper. However, I got caught into the JC life for 12 years going to school on and off, withdrawing, failing classes and having the thought of not being sure if college was for me. I kept going though and I ended up graduating with an AS in TV Production and I am pursuing a Bachelors in Film and Media Studies at Arizona State University (not USC but then again it's a really good school). I am also contemplating Law School. Even though school is stressful at times, I encourage people to finish it. Don't worry about whether you can afford it, it's an investment if you are working within your specialty, doesn't matter if its film or being a lawyer, the only time when it's not an investment is when your in debt not doing what you want to do. But I also encourage self-employment as well and/or trade school or both. Yes, school is not for everyone I agree with Brian, I didn't think it was for me but I kept fighting it and kept going. It's never too late. Some of you will regret it when you are older but some of you might not, but I also think that if there is an opportunity that you should take it. The school will always be there but the opportunities come very rarely. Take initiative and strive.
Got denied by USC for the MFA in Screenwriting program, but will be attending the MA in Screenwriting Programme in London Film School. From my perspective, undergraduate for most fields is a grind, a rite of passage, while graduate school is about refining your passion.
I just dropped out too, although for me I just went about it the wrong way, and I also developed severe anxiety which forced me to just drop out from stress of money and and personal problems at home.
You are a very honest and brave man bro, respect to you! One thing I love the most and feel the same as you said is, you are losing your passion in the uni as they are creating your path the way that you don't want it to be. Actually how much of filmmaking can one learn from the uni? It's all about the social, the people net resource. I agree with you so much with that if you really wanna do it, there is always a way that you can learn it and do it, like Spielberg was rejected from his uni. You are great. Look forward to hearing from you. Wordy808 is my instagram.
I needed this! I've been thinking alot about dropping out cause what they teach in Film School you can learn on your own via RUclips. RUclips is your BEST FRIEND!! And tbh , the things they teach in Film School are pretty much out dated so & this industry is all about creating a portfolio for yourself and you good to go. No client will ask you about your your qualifications , start your own wave.
yeah and things are always changing. after the basics, much of the knowledge in this industry has to be constantly renewed - new equipment, new technology, new workflows, etc.
USC is doing a lot of us a favor by not admitting us into their program. What’s the likelihood that you graduate from that school and live your dream? Still pretty low compared to if you didn’t enroll. One thing for sure that you’ll live is in debt. It’s so expensive to enroll especially for post grad... the professors there encourage you to drop out if any significant opportunities come your way while you’re enrolled. With that being said there was a time where I wanted to go really bad! I had LA Film school fever!! I ended up not even applying because my undergrad GPA sucked. But my friend got admitted and I flew out to help him on his thesis film when he got ready to graduate. And I’ll be the first to admit that working on his film, on the grounds at USC, utilizing their beautiful studios and all the damn equipment they have available for their students was amazing. The film crew was very friendly and very professional. And the equipment they have available for them... it was almost a dream come true working their. The campus is sooo beautiful and the studios are legendary.
I am an autodidact screen writer (& did a bunch of writing workshops), I was intimidated by screenwriters coming out of college, until I became a script reader. I read so many awful scripts, it made me wonder what were these people being taught.
also you can learn everything there is to know about screenwriting, but you have to have experiences to write about. in the words of Dr Jones, if you wanna be a good archeologist, you gotta get out of the library
Yo man thank you for sharing you experience with this, as I have had a strong passion for making movies for as long as i can remember. Its always been a scary thought not being able to make a life around film making and personally i havent been able to keep up with school either so hearing your opinion on this helps me wrap my head around the whole subject and brings peace to mind. If keen to see what ive got look at Backlash, a movie on this channel which i am most happy with. Keep at it everyone
Hey man, thank you for making this. I am in my final year of "film" school at UCSB and the points you made validate all the issues I have observed in my system. You are very brave, and the fact that you were able to take yourself out of such an institution which attending was even your main goal of your entire grade school life is a testament to how independent of a thinker and do-er you are. I admire your courage.
I took several film related classes at SCC and I flunked TCM134 back in 2017...I had recently discovered that I got dropped from the same class in the hopes of improving my grade, so I’m not even sure if it’s worth it anymore. I could find a job as an actor, yet I live in Arizona.
I did community college for GE's, then went into USC film school. Saved me mucho money. But still, you don't need film school. You can learn everything on your own these days online and through personal experiences in the industry.
It's definitely something that you have to weigh what you will get out of film school with what you have to put in. All I know is there's not one path to success so if there's a path you believe in, you gotta take that one
Weird how there's so many instances like your "rant" appeal where when you let go & stop caring.... THAT'S when it finally works out, haha. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much for making this video. I’ve applied to the Peter Stark Masters Producing Program 3 times and I’m contemplating a 4th. Hearing you share this has helped me think more about what I want. Thank you.
You were brave enough to do that and I admire your decision. I hope you will build your own path and be a great and famous filmmaker(aka director) one day! Follow your passion!☺️
not necessary to go to usc to be an intern in hollywood productions. Go to a state university where tuition amount is not as ridiculous. A degree is always good to have. Be an intern asap for a well known production company, and also regularly produce your own work. Networking in the industry is far more effective than networking in school by itself. In four years you would be far ahead of many usc film grads.
I know I am watching this over a year later, and I am in the same boat! All I have left is my film major, and I already am burnt out by all the general eds. I'm going to keep pushing, but its so hard to stay focused when you know what you want to do and you feel like your time is being wasted
Or you could go to uni, get a degree in something that provides you with a sustainable income to support yourself and fund a feature. That’s what I’m doing. After uni I’ll go into corporate law in the Caribbean (much better economy where I live + better overall salary) I’ll be working and shooting / writing features.
brain rose Yeah man! For sure. I’m just glad you’re doing okay. It’s all up to the person in the end. Neither choice is good or bad, it’s all dependent on the individual. Do you have any socials I may follow :))?
I know this video is old, but this really spoke to me. I'm going to college for film, it's all I've wanted to do my whole life as well, but after I started college I also started to feel like I was losing my passion for it. Recently I've been trying to find that passion again and remember why I liked making movies so much as a kid. Super relatable story, thanks for sharing!
I would love to go to USC for my television/film major. However; all colleges rips students off. Aside from your major; they want you to take the same general education classes that you've been taking throughout grade school. Why can't they just give you the full degree for just taking the classes regarding to your major? I'd rather spend most of my time screen writing/filming; so that I'm more experienced by the time I hit the industry. Spending two thirds of your time in general studies; takes away from that.
Hollywood1127 i think if you’re mindful about which gen ed classes you take, it can add to your film major. by understanding the world and its history, you find stories to tell. the best example i can think of right now is Spike’s BlackKKlansman: based on a true story and very relevant to the current political climate in the US. just a thought. best of luck
I don’t know why your video appeared or why I even clicked on it or even why I watched it to the end, but ultimately it was very worthwhile so thanks for sharing your story
I appreciate a video like this because it gives a levee into someone that has a desire but was given the wrong school and environment to flourish, but fir me I want to go to film school, not just because I want to be a filmmaker but I want the experience of going to college and learning about films, I dint expect to be someone who loses that passion do to who I am and what I think of film but what I want, I already had that crisis and went though it grew into just more love fir this art, behind the scenes of films do a lot to how you view filmmaking
I very much related to this video. I have wanted to make films my whole life and I had a similar high school experience. I am currently an incoming freshman at the film school at Chapman University. I have no idea how it is going to go, but your words of wisdom have definitely to reminded me to stay true to myself no matter what. Thank you and good luck furthering your filmmaking career!
The only way you’ll know how it’s gonna go is by going through the whole thing. Stay strong and don’t give up. To work in your own dreams and projects you may have to work on someone else’s dreams and projects first, but it pays off. Good luck!
Doing USC or UCLA or NYU give you connections. These connections may give you a job in a STUDIO. Everything else is up to you. Which movies you want to do, your style, work ethic, your skills with actors with people... all up to you. These expensive colleges "only" give you connections, and this is not little in the world we live today. My advice is, if you can effort, go for it.
when applying for usc and chapman, i felt like it was what i was supposed to do bc everyone in my program was getting in there but it never felt like what i wanted to do. the cookie cutter aspect of film school feels so unauthentic in comparison to the passion behind the craft. thanks for the video bc it made me feel like i wasn’t the only one losing my passion based on my film school experience
I graduated with an MFA from USC film school, and absolutely regret it. The education was far from decent, theres a lot of favoritism that hinders the growth of a lot of students, they dont stimulate your voice instead they rather put you in a box and systematically obligate you to work that way, and the cost is not worth the product they provide. Their selling point was connecting you with a mentor and a stellar job board at the time of graduation. At the end of the program, the mentors offered were recent graduates that weren't responsive, and the job board is pretty much editing jobs for dance websites or assistant to NGO's that is not related to either film or TV. It was a joke. I'm in the TV business and people don't know this, but USC alumni have a bad rep. I avoid mentioning USC, and avoid hiring USC people because every time I did they weren't as competent or had a level of arrogance that got them fired on the first few weeks. Most of the people I've encountered in this business didn't choose film school, they chose getting out there and learning on the go. If you want the contacts just PA for USC films, many of the PA's that I worked with I befriended and got them jobs and vice-versa. Learn on the job, you'll gain far more valuable knowledge that way instead of sitting and talking about making films in a classroom where half of the faculty is bitter. If you need technical skills, take a course instead, buy gear and go film something. Use the online resources in your favor. There are countless online forums where you can share scripts, footage and editing for feedback. Go to Q&A's, seminars and talks. Going to school for film is just a safety net, for you to be in this business you shouldn't be seeking safety nets, you need to be bold, curious and proactive.
brain rose oh believe me, you’re absolutely not alone, a looooot of people I know have regret USC upon graduation, when they realize that the school “bait and switched” them. And the 6 figure debt just ruins any future plans. Education is the one industry that you can’t ask for your money back if you feel like you were duped, unfortunately. I wish people stopped glorifying such a horrible business that is USC film school. It’s a shame.
you're only a freshman of course you would be taking general education classes. you get into your major classes when you're a sophomore/junior/senior. you should have went to community college first, then transferred to USC. still, i agree with your point that, if you want something enough, you can do it yourself. good luck
Hey Brian, My names Rashaun and like you I've always wanted to be a filmmaker for the majority of my life. USC was always the school I dreamed of attending for this passion also like you but after watching this it sounds like I may very much fall into the same hole that you did and at the end of the day, I really do not want to lose my biggest passion because of how things turn out in college. Thank you for sharing this and opening my eyes because I really was very set on wanting to go there but I don't want to end up under someone else doing grunt work hoping to one day be where I want to be. Best of luck to you and I subscribed and I'm really gonna try hard to support your channel. Thanks again!
I just finished film school too and I'm 100% sure I could have learned everything they taught me online it within a week. it's sort of a joke but it gives you a good idea of what you're getting yourself into. all it takes to make movies is a passion and you clearly have that. best of luck!
It seems like you guys have really shitty film schools over there. Film schools here in Spain are completely different, they really focus on the creative side (although the technical and theory parts are just as important) and much less on exams. You're constantly having to make short movies, documentaries, writing stuff... I find it so weird when I see these videos cause they're all exactly the same: film school is for people with money, little creativity and that only want to follow the system. It's so much more than that.
You hit it right on the head! Too much focus on technical over here, no one can tell a story. If you want my insight on film school, check this out - ruclips.net/video/Vg6cs23t-aY/видео.html
Do you attend one in Spain? If so, which one? Or which film schools would you recommend in Spain, I'm thinking of applying as an international student from the UK..
My daughter just transferred to USC. She's enjoying all her film class. Couple of things about US film school. There's many aspects of for making. Not everyone can be writers, producers or director's. You still need a team being those people to make find a reality. My daughter doesn't want to do any of those jobs. So that leads to fun production. Many of these fields are technical because it's the high end equipment (industry standards) that is used. As a film student, beginning classes hello you decided what you want to specialize in. My daughter actually started enjoying writing scripts which she didn't before. She cowrote her first story at age 8. Her teachers help them make it. They made a sequel the following year. Then 3 years of nothing. Followed by 4 years in high school, Sunday film programs and CSSSA program. 2 years of college she did little because she was studying so much. She finally got back into the film making for her transfer application. I think that having the 2 years was a good gap for her. Wanting to make films and learning to make films it's two very different things. I think not everyone is ready and want to be in a extremely structured program. You can go to film programs that are completely unstructured and let you do what every kind of film you want like CalArts (my daughter's friends go there). Everyone should fully research any program so they don't waste their time and money.
That's a great story. I thought about this school but many steered me away for costs (the environment didn't appeal anyway). As an accounting major numbers and networking are my primary things to think about. Like you I sometimes worry about the path I could have taken but chose not to when choosing between Cal Poly SLO and CSUN. It was stressful but I chose CSUN and I just have to live with looking over my shoulder thinking about what could have happened if I took the other path.
Can I just ask did you drop out as a freshman/sophmore or junior/senior. You mentioned the amount of GE's you had to take but that is pretty common in your first two years.
Yeah that is pretty common. I was around junior level credits when I dropped out, but I had jumped around between usc and community college. About only 40 credits we're going to be my film classes which is about 1/3 of the degree
I finished my USC application for film school a couple days ago. To be honest, I quite scared of joining the other thousands of people who got rejected, but I know its not the end the world. The video and comments are putting me at ease.
I am sorry I haven't responded to this sooner, but I wish you the best of luck. However things went for you - know there is not a singular way to make it in this industry. There are many paths - you just have to find the right one for you.
I can totally relate to your pain bro. I tried to do film school as well but ending up trying do a film program at a private university. smh worst decision i have ever made in my life. the program wasnt even based on film they had me doing all these other wierd class like learning how to use photoshop and illustrator. i just wanted to film and film only so ik how it feels. my grades suffered because i thought maybe if change my major to something as close to a concentration in film it would make me feel like a film student, but the student body life of film sucked badly, and what other result was better than dropping out.... i refuse to waste my time on things i have very little intrest in.
brain rose I hope you see this. I’m currently in the 11th grade living in Southern California and I’m questioning if I want to go to UCLA or USC but I feel so much pressure from school, teachers, family. I can totally relate to you, I’m not as smart like most people in my classes, My gpa is around 3.2 or 2.9. I fell in love with film like the past 2-3 years ago because of my favorite subject is Art. It’s always have been since I was a kid. both are similar to express emotion in the process but different of course. And I know there’s many great directors who didn’t go to college which inspires me to keep myself on track and what’s my next step. I’ve told some of my classmates and they all say you should apply for film schools around here or a community college. A guy told me that you don’t have to worry about college there’s great writers and directors who made it out without a degree. He also told me that it’s stupid if you apply and you already know what you want to, because you’ll waste your time in college. you can save time and money during those years. Which is true. But I’m just in a dilemma I do want to attend to usc but it’s just the classes are gonna get in the way and i don’t want to go through that. I just want to focus on film, screenplay, editing etc. Any advice? 🙂🤙🏼
Thanks for your comment! It's hard to give advice because there's really no single path to succeed in the industry. People who hire you are concerned with what you can do. Whether you learned that from USC's film school or by watching tutorials on youtube, they don't care as long as you do good work and are dedicated to the craft. My best advice is if youre looking for a well rounded education and the college experience, then go for that. If you're more independent and want to figure it out on your own, then that's also an option. You just gotta determine whats best for you. Hope that makes sense and best of luck to you!
Thank you so much for sharing this! I appreciate your candor and can totally relate to so much that you said! I've been making films and have known for a while that film-making is 100% what I want to do. I currently go to an art school (high school) for Media Arts. USC has been a dream for me as well but like you, I don't want to be put in a box and want more creative freedom. It also seems that if you don't make more serious/drama films that you aren't taken seriously. ( I subscribed btw :) ) I'm still trying to figure out what to do/where to go..
Liberal arts degrees can be salvaged if you supplement a cluster of business or technical courses or go on to earn a professional degree. Also, other jobs simply require a BA and don't care which degree you have.
I got denied from USC film school. I kept at it by shooting and editing my own films for YEARS. I made a cheap music video for a friends and it ended up in front of a director of a Sylvester Stallone film. They hired me to shoot additional photography for the film after only seeing my WORK.
That’s amazing!
That’s so cool
That's awesome, dude.
Damn, that's awesome.
Plus 3 years of learning from filmmakers in the industry on filmmaking principles and making small projects with funding, and then doing the same thing with more initial connections. Not the end of the world if you go to film school. It's not like STEM where it's a necessity, that's obvious, seeing as how that schooling is meant to add to your passion. Everyone understands the work you put in to fulfill your goals is what matters. It's not detrimental if you don't go. It's just an addition if you do, and not the end of the world.
"I'll prove you wrong"...that's amaizing...you're so brave. I really congratulate you for this epic letter.
Quico Ferrero why thanks!!
I'm in a completely different boat than most of you. I wanted to go to USC film back in the 80s. But I had no confidence or money, so I went into the military instead. When I got home I got a job, a car and a place to live. No time for school anymore. I'm retired early, and took another job (I actually work at USC) I'm debating should I complete an item on my bucket list and enroll. It's free for employees. But no way could I pass a SAT and my grades from high school are written on clay tablets. But I'd still like to give it try.
Gary Carbo that's interesting, I hope whatever you decide to do goes well!
Gary Carbo i think you should at least try because you get a pretty good employee discount. Whatever you want to do is best. But i think the sooner the better if you go.
Hey! I'm a veteran too. There is VFT in Los Angeles. Veterans in Film and Television. They offer free courses for video editing among many other things. You should join. I am a screenwriter and actress.
Gary Carbo hey Gary I'm in the same situation as you;I come from humble beginnings,I couldn't afford to study so I started to work at 18,I'm 33 now and I'll start my 2 years digital film production course at SAE institute here in England in September,it's never too late pal,this is not a sport this is an art form and there is no age when it comes to be creative,also,I bet you have a lot of stories when you was in the army (salute you) ...bottom line is:if you can afford it and you passionate about it go for it,now or never,don't let insecurities and fear stop you,good luck in anything you do pal.
Is it really free for employees?!?!?!?
I know this video came out over a year ago but I just wanted to give my opinion on it. I'm a HS senior about to apply to some film schools. Unlike most people, my passion for film came recently. I didn't grow up wanting to direct movies, I just did a school project where I editing a video and found my profound love for editing and production.
At any rate, I totally get why you dropped out of film school, especially USC. there's a bit of an issue with USC. Every aspiring filmmaker is told that they should apply to USC because it's the best film school in the world. But nobody ever actually pays attention to the kind of filmmaker USC wants to make. USC (and Chapman) are trying to send out students that will end up directing big budget, franchise Hollywood movies. And as any film critic will tell you, in these kinds of movies, a significant amount of creativity, character development, and good writing is replaced with action scenes, fancy cinematography, and cliffhanger endings intended for sub-par sequels. That's why USC isn't the right place for some, and even most filmmakers. Other colleges, like UCLA and LMU tend to focus on independent film, and your own personal creativity and your own voice. That's why I think that telling every kid that wants to make movies to apply to USC isn't the right idea. Every school wants a different student and want to produce a certain kind of Alumnus. You should always understand what kind of filmmaker you want to become, and if the school you're applying to is the right fit for you.
That's my two cents.
That's awesome! But where did you find out this info? I'm looking into stuff too :)
What do you say about NYFA?
Agreed, those big franchise films are drivel. Why aren't all films like Godard, Tarkovsky, or Fellini?
LMU?
Hey! What college did you end up going to?
I've been randomly bingeing these kinds of videos and it is rare to find someone so humble and self-aware when discussing this subject. Everyone wants to think that they are too enlightened and unique to sit in a classroom, but no one wants to admit that some of these schools out here are kicking students' asses. I'm happy to go to CAL, but I wouldn't wish some of my coursework on my worst enemy. Everyone will not thrive everywhere and being a creative requires different kind of brilliance regardless.
Broken Glass thank you!
Brian Rose should i do engineering and also parallely i m also passionate about films ... im trying to learn film making can you suggest me a way
Well said!
I admire your decision. Stay true to your passion and always create your own path. Heres a quote I kept on thinking about while watching your video
"Realize that sleeping on a futon when you're 30 is not the worst thing. You know what's worse, sleeping in a king bed next to a wife you're not really in love with but for some reason you married, and you got a couple kids, and you got a job you hate. You'll be laying there fantasizing about sleeping on a futon. There's no risk when you go after a dream. There's a tremendous amount to risk to playing it safe"-Bill Burrr
Infinity Pool Feels
Thanks! great quote
Thanks for sharing your story. USC Film School rejected me twice (2013 & 2015) and I'm extremely happy that they did.
Cope
they also rejected Spielberg! best of luck
You look like Ed Sheeran
Rhett S Ed Sheehan looks like me too
Hahahahaha he does!
I like that this was the only thing you got out of this entire video lmao
@@brainrose You look more like Tom Holland - Ed Sheeran hybrid.
Fuck yeah bro, good on you
THANKS MAN!
This is the first time I encountered someone talking about this topic. I also dropped out of a film school (in Thailand where I live). Filmmaking has always been one thing that I truly love and never get tired of, but once I got there and experienced it for almost a year, I realized I lost my passion for it bit by bit. I was so scared to think that 'this is not for me' but the environment, the people and what I got so far were not for me at all. I then realized that it's not that I lost passion in filmmaking but the place was not for me. It took only one day for me to decide that I wanted to drop out, it was an easy decision for me. I still think about it time to time but I guess people have different ways to achieve a goal. Mine is just not going to a film school, graduating and getting a job. Anyway, thank you so much for sharing this and I wish you the best of luck!
Natchapa Deeudomwongsa thanks good luck to you!
N thank you for your comment, pursue your passion! Sometimes our passions change and evolve, I mean our society is an evolving beast as well. So many different types of jobs/positions these days
I know it's been 5 yrs but,, how are you doing now?
I've been debating for almost a decade now about whether or not to go to school for film. I've googled "do I go, do I not" countless times and every time I came across an article or forum thread that had film school cons, it was always "it just sucks". Which is never a valid, or complete argument. I came across your video when I googled film school vlog for a semester paper I'm writing for my current communications degree at a community college - my topic is "Film School or No Film School, that is the Question" and I was in need of some examples that aren't necessarily pro-film school. I was honestly surprised that you didn't just say film school bites and ended the video after ten seconds. You have solid reasons why you dropped out, but yet, you still listed some pros to going to film school. Thank you for your video. And you're moment about sending your appeal was fantastic! I wouldn't' have had the guts to do that, let alone say that I'd prove the school wrong.
Thanks so much for your comment! I definitely had the same experience researching film schools before I went. People either thought it was absolutely necessary or a waste of money but I think it's much more nuanced than that. Good luck to you!
This video reminds me of my story so much. I got accepted into UT’s film program but they didn’t offer me financial aid and I ended up going to a community college where I learned more than most university film students that I know.
What community college did you go to? I just recently also got into UTs film school (if by UT you mean University of Texas).
Yeah I mean there are plenty of other options for a filmmaker's education other than film school
Hi! I actually got admitted to UT's film program but I'm unsure if I should attend due to not really having the money. Do you have any advice since you took a different route?
Brian thanks for sharing your story. Like you, I was no stellar student student in high school and yet somehow I got into the USC School of Cinematic Arts as a Crit Studies major. I can't say I was dead set on film since age 5 like you or many of my peers in SCA but rather it was a major I thought would be fun. I've now finished my Sophomore year and have decided that SCA just isn't where I want to be and doing script coverage and making coffee runs wasn't what I wanted to be doing for a future career. I still love USC though and am switching my major to Journalism next semester. I can take a while to drop the prestige factor of the film school out of your head when ultimately trying to decide if it's right for you, but it sounds like you made the right decision and best of luck to you in the future.
Will Farnsworth thanks man good luck to you
You can't imagine how much emotional you just got me here, almost in tears. I actually came through this videos because i am kind of in a similar position here and thinking to make through filmmaking i will have to go through some sort of academics and all that. Dreams really get crushed especially in fields like this, you could end up making films just for your eyes and never get recognized, apparently, guess the only option will definitely be for you to go ahead on your life choices.
Perspectral there's no set path you have to take to make it. all I can say is follow what your gut tells you and work through what you have. I really appreciate you sharing, best of luck to you.
This is really helpful for me. I recently enrolled and got accepted into a film program in San Francisco. At first I was kind of disappointed that I didn’t go to a more “prestigious” school. I could’ve but money was a boundary. Anyways now I’m at my school and it is a very different type of college. Classes are 20 ppl at most, it is VERY diverse, and it small. But hearing your perspective on USC made me realize that my school really fits me. We don’t do GE’s or at least not like how other colleges do them. We don’t have giant lecture classrooms, they are all small and intimate. Big opportunities are here if you chase them. Thank you for making me realize all colleges have their flaws and not all of them fit every type of person.
Yeah it's all about finding your fit and going with it! Glad you found that
I love this video! I'm currently at USC for Computer Science and Business, not for the money, but because it's actually the perfect major for me. When I saw that I would have to pay so much tuition though, I was depressed because I thought I couldn't go. But luckily, my parents supported me going fully and do their best to take care of the cost. I'm glad that this video was about how you need to do what's best for you, even if you have to make sacrifices, instead of just shaming people who DO decide to go through all the crap college puts on you.
Mabelcorn N. most definitely! you gotta find yourself and do you
interesting how USC, one of the best film schools in the world is teaching "Rule of Thirds" and I'm going over how Cooke primes have a slower focus fall off than other lenses and how film solve this problem (which btw is a fact) in high school freshman,
It is kinda it ironic, isn't it
I’ll be making a video about this soon. I had the same similar experience except I went to film school and finished it. Strange isn’t it lol. But overall I lost the passion for filming, my very first year was a waste, rules I had known, things I picked up online. On my very first class my professor turned the Tv on, put on a RUclips video and left the classroom.
(Wordddd?) 🤙🏻🤙🏻
My hopes crushed. I stopped coming too class and had to rethink my life. I talked it over with some other classmates and tried to be more patient. 🤧
Then i stepped into editing and really that’s where I gained the most knowledge.I began editing on premiere being that my only prior knowledge was Windows movie maker. My second year we created our thesis and that was it. Two years of my life... for that. 😑
Film school from my experience just shows you how to make a project, there’s no path to a job it’s the same road with or without it. Freelance, interning, coffee jogs. You have to understand that once your out there that piece of Paper means nothing. Yeah maybe some jobs will think your smart because you have a degree, but that’s some jobs.
In case your wondering 🤔
Now I currently freelance, but at the same time I’m seeking a job for stability just until I get this RUclips thing working.
Lastly and sorry 😥 I want to help all of you 🤗
Some tips:
•Know the difference between being patient and wasting your time.
•RUclips the hell out of everything. Peter McKinnon, Justin Odisho, Daniel Schiffer. Try skillshare.
•talk to people
•Have clarity, people in this business don’t want your whole life story or vague idea be straightforward.
*go out and shoot boii, get your squad up and get them bangers out.
Peace 👊🏼
Did u go to USC
Great advice - hoping to see your videos!
Don't worry, the best directors never went to filmschool.
Plenty of them out there!
I mean... a lot of them did tho
George Lucas and Steven Spielberg went to USC
Ryan Coogler.. USC
MKLORD oh yeah, he tried to get into the film school 3 times but went to cal state Long Beach instead (my alma mater. I now go to usc Marshall for grad school) anyway, Steven Spielberg still has ties to usc, I think I’ve read somewhere that he has donated millions to the school.
Immediately subscribed after seeing this. You've literally explained everything that I felt! I wish the best for you bud!
Keno Carroll thank you!
When you do happen to make a remarkable film, one that outshines in so many angles, will the audience ask? What school did you graduate from ? Or will they ask, who is this director ?
Couldn’t have said it better!
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You don't need film school to succeed in the film industry, however, the networking connections built from it can really help. The internships can really help. The general ed, as much as you hate it, can really help. How does it help? It requires discipline to learn a subject you don't care about, to do the homework, to study for the tests, to pass, etc. This is a similar kind of discipline you need when working jobs you don't like, or on projects you don't love. In the film industry, there will be a lot of jobs that aren't enjoyable as you try to work your way up to the ones you love. I agree that not everyone needs film school. I think people who skip film school just need to be extra good at self promoting and getting their foot in the door.
I definitely agree. I think it’s more of a question of balancing the benefits over the cost and commitment and each individual’s situation
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I got into USC this year and I'm debating going. It seems silly if I don't go given how prestigious it is and how few people have an opportunity like this. I don't want to be left wondering "what if?" Thankfully, I can afford going without going into debt, but I'm still wondering if it even makes sense to go. It seems that the prevailing wisdom is to not go to film school and just make stuff. I see heaps of really talented kids get rejected while kids whose films I don't like get in. I'm wondering if I will even like most of my classmates, which scares me. I want to find a group of people to help me make films, cause their obviously difficult to make without a solid crew of dedicated people. This is where film school makes sense, but again, I'm having trouble finding many other accepted films that I truly enjoyed. It would be great to hear your thoughts, cheers.
Evan O'Brien it's a really difficult decision and there's really no right or wrong answer. I don't want to ever dissuade someone from going. It just wasn't for me but I don't regret going cause it got me to where I am today. There's also a million different paths to get to where you want to be, so if one doesn't work you just try the next one. The only way I've found to make these types of decisions is to follow your gut. Even if you don't go it's still an accomplishment in itself to get in. Hope that helps
I recently got into NYU Tisch this year and am conflicted about the same issue. Besides the not going into debt thing I feel you man, like exactly,
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Wow, my exact feelings defined. Im going to USC in the fall after it having been my dream since I was five, after working my ass to make and create not just films but groups of people who love it like I do. And thats why I was a bit scared of USC, am I going to be challenged in my character, creativity, person? Yes, its prestigious. But are there going to be people willing to push the business and push themselves beyond 'achievments'. If you end up at USC and you need a couple 'weird ones' hmu.
aye! I will be there in the fall. Glad to find someone in my class who went through the same thought process. I went and visited after I made this comment and I met lots of cool people who seemed very driven. Sounds like you'll be one of them. Where can I watch your films? I'd love to see your work! and congrats!
I keep coming back to this, your story intrigues me. Thanks for sharing, I admire you courage and hope you’re accomplishing your dreams today
Thank you!
@@brainroseSo brave of you to share your situations. I appreciate that. Wouldn't it be amazing if we had a system which does not kills passion of youth. Every damn thing in this world needs money and it's sickening.
I understand where you're coming from and best of luck to you man wherever you end up.
thank you!
The thing about film school is that if you're looking at it purely from a production point of view it's not worth it. But education is not solely about vocational skills. It's about education in general. Film is just a medium of story telling and our experiences inform our creative output. Education is an experience. The books we read, the way we read them, the films we watch, the way we watch them.. there's a case to be made for the value of higher education in general. You are missing out on something by not going. Whether or not you care is a different matter.
Now this isn't to say you can't be a storyteller without a degree. You can. But you have to figure out what sort of storyteller you want to be. How much value does education bring to your practice and how much do you, as a person, value education? Film school is absolutely worth it. All school is worth it. The problem is unrealistic expectations from students. An education is an education and it doesn't somehow make you exempt from all the outside requirements that your chosen professional may entail eg. internships, personal projects etc. An education is the groundwork that informs practice, not the practice itself.
Sure - I think education is vital if you want a career but my main point is that a fancy expensive film school is not the only place you can get an education. I got my education from a CTE academy program I did in high school. I think we have to stop thinking that education is 4 years of an institution and start thinking of education as a continual process regardless whether it’s in a lecture hall, reading books, on the job training, seminars, or researching on the internet. There are so many other educational resources out there.
Very proud of you. Take your risks and never have too many regrets! The bigger regret is in never trying. Your a fine man, true to your self and your convictions.
restonrose :) thank you
Thanks for sharing your story, I'm a filmmaker still in high school and looking at colleges. USC was one of the schools we looked at and of course it looked absolutely amazing from my first impressions. I'm still thinking about my future, but I know I want to be a filmmaker 100%. Thanks for the advice!
what should you learn in college then or is there anything else?
I have never had a paying job or been hired period for filmmaking. I’m just starting out but should I make a short reel to showcase my style and what I can do?
best of luck!
@@brainrose this is so funny looking back. I received this notification because I accidentally signed into this old account lol. 2 years into college, already dropped out of film school to pursue music, switched majors and schools 3 times already. the pandemic was a nasty experience!
I got kicked out of the most famous and elite academy for film and theatre in my country. In the first semester of the first year. At first it felt so bad i felt like i disappointed everybody that believed in me. I cried my soul out. But after calming down and taking deep breaths, i started thinking for MYSELF. What i wanted to do with my life. There's another university in my country that 60-70% of the people who work in this industry really don't like. Because it doesn't fuck up you social life n your physical and mental health. I didn't want to fuck my health for that. I almost lost my passion and gave up on filmmaking. And as you said not everybody fit in certain places. I think i'll be happy and passionate to study in my new university. Thanks for the video!!!
Ilina Georgieva good luck to you!
There seems to be some weird stigma around film schools nowadays. "You don't need film school. Everyone who's an amazing filmmaker didn't go to film school" But I feel like nobody is giving credit to film school. Yes people didn't go to film school and still made it. These are also people who were already highly talented and extremely hard workers, plus they all got lucky in some form. Film school is a great option to work with people in the industry while learning in a safer college environment AND to network with likeminded people. There's no right or wrong here, just thought I would throw in a different opinion
Yeah that was one thing I was trying to convey in the video. Film school can certainly be a good path but it's not for everyone and it's definitely not the only path
Man, I hope you go far
Thank you!
I would love to go to USC although I don’t have anything to qualify for it haha, but hearing your story on how you personally felt and the road less traveled is really eye opening. Thank you for sharing something i don’t even see that many people on this site talk about. Keep posting your films mdude, I believe you can make it big
thanks so much. I'm glad I can share my story!
I hope you really become a huge filmmaker. Blockbusters and stuff. You would look great in glasses btw, exxtra swag yadig? Thanks for the vid btw, I enjoyed your story.
Thank you! I do wear glasses when I don't have contacts 😬
You and I are much alike. You like doing things on your own and not adapting to the norm...that’s me. I never knew I’d find anyone else with the same mindset! Anyways go you! You did good by sticking to your core beliefs about filmmaking.
Thanks! Some of us just work better doin our own thing
YO CANT BELIEVE I FOUND SOMEONE LIKE ME. I'M IN HIGH SCHOOL AND DREAMED OF FILM SCHOOL AND NEVER CARED ABOUT MY HIGH SCHOOL LIFE.
Yeah I think it's common for creative people to not be as involved in academics
that's so cool man, I know you might not see this comment but I actually had a very similar experience last fall, I loved taking photos and I wanted to make it a career so I listened to everyone and went to college for it, almost as soon as I got there I knew it wasn't for me, I'm and independent person and I like to set goals and reach them by myself with creativity and little structure, so I finished the first semester and didn't go back, I've traveled 37 states now and I can confidently say I made the right decision
I'm glad you figured that out so you could follow your passion. Best of luck to you!
Preach Brian! College is a perfectly viable route for some but it certainly isn't necessary for success. Keep on hustling and working hard man!
Thanks man!
Film school is important especially for networking ,you get a chance to get a team that you can work with in school or even after, this helps you build each others careers. If you have the chance go ahead and finish, it will eventually pay off at the end.
no doubt it's helpful for networking. the question I hope to raise is if it's worth it
@@brainrose It's a good question. It helps one know that it's not necessary to go to film school to join the industry and that there are very many different channels for one to achieve your goal. I remember I also wanted to join film school but since I couldn't afford it many of the videos watched like this gave me the courage to stop feeling but for myself but rather work hard on my own, and it pay off cause I managed to get to know alot in very little time.But it also showed me that having people to work with can take a very long way too, it helps ease the burden.So for me I think it's worth it.
My man. You are a hero dude. Same boat as you. Always sucked at school. Have made dozens of films and work freelance now. 23. Did not make it into the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS applied three times, shit grades. Now moving to Montreal to do FILM STUDIES. Didn't get into film production. So weird what these schools put you through and what they really value about their filmmakers.. WE'LL PROVE THEM WRONG BRO!
thanks man, good luck to you!
Honestly if u really want to succeed in the film industry. The university you go to really does not matter. You BFA is just a piece of paper. It's about making connections, showing people your work, showing your talent, believing in yourself and consistency. That is what will take u places
That's very true. Most people don't care about your resume, but rather want to know what you can do
Well...I understand you 100% but what have you done after dropping out?
Lots and lots of freelancing and various projects of my own
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brain Absolutely appreciate you man for sharing your story through this video post. I have made the move to Los Angeles and am meeting as many people as I can in the industry. Would love to connect with you and view some of your projects. May I get your email? You can reach me at sharkindustries035@gmail.com. Much love brother LETS DO THIS! 🎥 -Sterling
@@brainrose What exactly is your goal?
Save on tuition.🤣
Man, you're so inspiring. I really appreciated your honesty and perspicacity. It gives a relevant perspective regarding film schools. I wish you the best for the achieving of your dreams.
Greetings from Switzerland
Jack Fear thanks man that means a lot
That letter was pretty amazing though. Very passionate. This video was interesting to watch as a high school student who’s interested in potentially going to film school. Great job!
thank you! best of luck to you!
Listen man, I come back to this video from time to time when I lose confidence in myself in whether or not I'm ever going to make it to where i want to be in the industry, and I can honestly say that I get chills watching it every time. Your story inspires me to keep going and to push myself harder to keep writing and to stay headstrong with my projects. I just graduated high school four months ago and I've been kinda lost trying to figure out if I should end up going to film school. But found this video again and it reminded me of why i told myself to not waste the money i don't even have on school. It's because I believe in my passion for this art, that i can make it on my own, with my own ambition and gumption. I don't have a whole lot of experience yet but i know that I've got what it takes, i can feel it. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is thank you for posting this and sharing your story, it gets me motivated without fail every time.
Wow, thank you for sharing this. It means so much to know my experience has helped someone. The years right after high school can be very hard to navigate. But stay motivated, keep at it, and don't forget your passion. Best of luck to you, my friend
Hey man, I don't care if you reply to me, but I think it is really cool that you are trying to do your own thing. I go to The University of Alabama and I really wanted to go to USC. I just wanted to say, keep grinding and keep making quality content. Good shit man, love the videos. 👍🏽
Eddie O'Leary thanks man I appreciate it!
I think the problem with film school is that it’s ultimately preparing you for the jobs you’ll have at the end of your career rather than the ones that you’ll have straight out of college,. Only a few of the many jobs in film require that you have creativity and ideas, and frequently they’re jobs where people are betting a lot of money on you doing your job right, so it’s very unlikely that they’ll take a risk on a fresh film school grad. The one exception seems to be editing where it costs nothing to let an assistant editor try to edit a scene compared to the hundreds of thousands that it would cost to let a PA try to direct a movie. Ultimately, film school definitely makes you a better filmmaker and the gen-ed classes combined with your life experiences give you critical thinking skills to be able to have something meaningful to say about the world in your films. However, this all assumes that you’ll get to the point where you’ll be able to make your own films or at least be in a key creative role, which as I mentioned before, film school by no means guarantees.
this
I transferred to a small film school for undergrad, but it was a BFA, so I didn't have to do GE there. Got my GE done at a cheaper school, but film school was the best decision of my life. Now, I'm working on moving to LA.
nice, sounds like you made a good decision. best of luck to you in LA
I went through hell finishing my undergrad degree and totally know what you mean about not being an academic. Universities work for certain type of students, mostly people who are good at memorizing content, and some of us are intelligent in other ways. Good vid bro! :)
Thanks! Yeah it's all about finding what's best for you
Good luck man I hope you achieve your goals
Thanks!
Brian - I love how honest and in touch you are with everything. Your video caught my eye because I've got a 17 year old son (HS Soph) and we've had many talks about Film Schools (USC being one of them). This kid is unique in so many ways... several passions (deep knowledge and love of animals, writing, the movie industry overall). In his off time, that's all he thinks about. He, like you, sorta figured it out early - with his regular studying of the industry, his knowledge level is so high, he wants to sorta jump right into what he loves (not more math, spanish...).
- He's not your typical high school student at all. He had a life saving bone marrow transplant at age 8, he loves sports, but doesn't have the stamina for it, too much school/studying causes him to have headaches, A/B student, average SATs, not a Tekkie, but knows his cameras/camcorders, etc.
Any suggestions/ideas for a kid that really wants to write/direct movies (mostly his own vision)...I'd love to help direct/navigate, but not sure how best to help him? Money is not an issue. Thanks! R
If he feels the need to go to Film School, then he should go. But if he's got most of it already figured out, then I don't see a reason why he'd want to go, I mean everything they teach is available on the internet for free!
I've been doing film for over 5 years and don't feel like going to Film School. Maybe if it was a school like USC I'd go, but my parents are pushing me to go to one these really amateur like Film Schools... We visited 3 of them so far, and after they'd hear what I've done so far Film wise, they all told me and my parents that I'm overqualified for their program... But my parents still believe that I have to go.
It's amazing to see that you're an understanding parent, and I hope your son sees and appreciates that! My thought is, don't push it on him like my parents push it on me. If he wants to go then let him go, if he doesn't it's still fine. As I said above, you can learn everything you need to know on the Internet, and nobody in the Film industry cares if you went to Film school or not (I mean there are literally great filmmakers out there who never even finished High School). I think the fact that most great Directors never went to Film School is telling you a lot about this.
A friend of mine who works in the Film industry once told me: "You can finish High School, start working on sets, do smaller jobs like carry around coffee and stuff like that, meet new people and just work your way up like most people do. Or you can go to Film School, spend thousands of dollars and again end up carrying coffee because you still have to work your way up."
Just goes to show you how unnecessary Film School is, if you already know what you're doing.
The biggest problem with Film School in my opinion is the fact that they're trying to teach you that there's a "right way" of doing things. You can't just teach someone art. Because if you tell 30 kids that this is the right way to do something and this is the wrong way, you'll end up with 30 kids doing the same thing. And that's not good, because there's no originality. The Filmmakers who stand out from everyone else are the ones who are different and make new things that people haven't seen before.
Just my thoughts on all of this, hope it helps, and thank you for being such a reasonable parent! :)
Rena Rice thank you for your comment! Sounds like your son has his mind in the right place. A lot of it depends on what direction he feels is best for him.
I wanted to find my own way so I'm pretty much self-employed. That means a lot of weddings and corporate videos(which is a lot of responsibility and stress) but it allows me to also do my own work and express my own creativity.
Some people rather work their way up, which may be the safer route, but it means years of working to fulfill someone else's vision until you get to a place where you can do your own thing.
Film school would help you in both scenarios, but it's certainly not necessary. It'll teach you a lot, but everything you learn can also be learned by doing or online.
I think you really have to want to go to college to be successful there. Like still want to finish college, just not film school. Right now I'm taking one or two classes a semester at a state school (going for a degree in communication) while I focus on freelancing video. There's definitely not just one path you can take!
It might be good if your son could volunteer on any film sets near where you live. Or even community television. That might give him a better sense if he likes working in the more "traditional" industry.
Hope that helps and best of luck to him!
It's all about connections. How do you expect a small city aspiring film-maker to make it in Hollywood? It's what you make of it. Stop regurgitating what many top filmmakers say. We don't live in the 80-90's anymore where it was easier to get into film making like they did. Stop making it sound easy and bash film school. Everyone says "do not go to film school, it's a waste of time" Well not to be an asshole but those same people are nowhere with their films. Everything is on the internet and if he really does want to learn of course anyone can. But, the thing is unless you're a genius like Tarantino it's going to be difficult. Id at least recommend going for 1 year to know the feel of it. If he does not like it, drop out. There he will meet like-minded individuals who he can collaborate with and help each other to get where they want to be. He can unleash his full potential and even learn things he can't on the internet.
Dude that appeal letter xD congrats man, takes balls to talk to giants like USC that way! :)
Joseph Aleshaiker hey thanks!
I didn't bother applying to USC because I knew coming out of high school that I didn't have the grades for it either. I was also in remedial classes, I was diagnosed with ADHD/ADD, yes hybrid diagnosis exist and never took any film classes in high school. Matter of fact I worked in Stagecraft and Theater and liked it. The film program there at my high school started as soon as I graduated. My education was watching a lot of films when I was younger and studying them like PT Anderson, Tarantino, and Kevin Smith. I also read books as well and learning from online. I ended up going to community college to see if I really wanted to pursue film. I ended up doing two short films there. I also was exposed to Truffaut, Lange, and Eisenstein in my media aesthetics class which I thought was very insightful. So without that, I wouldn't have known about earlier films and my passion for watching them. Even before I attended college I had this preconceived notion that college was reading a bunch of books and doing research. From my experience part of it is, but it's also about what you do with that knowledge. It's taking initiative and completing task whether it's hands-on or studying or doing a paper. However, I got caught into the JC life for 12 years going to school on and off, withdrawing, failing classes and having the thought of not being sure if college was for me. I kept going though and I ended up graduating with an AS in TV Production and I am pursuing a Bachelors in Film and Media Studies at Arizona State University (not USC but then again it's a really good school). I am also contemplating Law School. Even though school is stressful at times, I encourage people to finish it. Don't worry about whether you can afford it, it's an investment if you are working within your specialty, doesn't matter if its film or being a lawyer, the only time when it's not an investment is when your in debt not doing what you want to do. But I also encourage self-employment as well and/or trade school or both. Yes, school is not for everyone I agree with Brian, I didn't think it was for me but I kept fighting it and kept going. It's never too late. Some of you will regret it when you are older but some of you might not, but I also think that if there is an opportunity that you should take it. The school will always be there but the opportunities come very rarely. Take initiative and strive.
You have some good points!
Got denied by USC for the MFA in Screenwriting program, but will be attending the MA in Screenwriting Programme in London Film School. From my perspective, undergraduate for most fields is a grind, a rite of passage, while graduate school is about refining your passion.
That's a fair point. My impression was that most of the MFAs were more successful and taken more seriously
You sir are indeed a strong person.
Bj Sabum thank you
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I just dropped out too, although for me I just went about it the wrong way, and I also developed severe anxiety which forced me to just drop out from stress of money and and personal problems at home.
Social anxiety? I dropped out of community college cuz of my anxiety and personal problems.
how r u doing now?
I hope you're doing better. Dropping out definitely helped me prioritize my mental health.
You are a very honest and brave man bro, respect to you! One thing I love the most and feel the same as you said is, you are losing your passion in the uni as they are creating your path the way that you don't want it to be. Actually how much of filmmaking can one learn from the uni? It's all about the social, the people net resource. I agree with you so much with that if you really wanna do it, there is always a way that you can learn it and do it, like Spielberg was rejected from his uni. You are great. Look forward to hearing from you. Wordy808 is my instagram.
thank you!
I needed this! I've been thinking alot about dropping out cause what they teach in Film School you can learn on your own via RUclips. RUclips is your BEST FRIEND!!
And tbh , the things they teach in Film School are pretty much out dated so & this industry is all about creating a portfolio for yourself and you good to go. No client will ask you about your your qualifications , start your own wave.
yeah and things are always changing. after the basics, much of the knowledge in this industry has to be constantly renewed - new equipment, new technology, new workflows, etc.
USC is doing a lot of us a favor by not admitting us into their program. What’s the likelihood that you graduate from that school and live your dream? Still pretty low compared to if you didn’t enroll. One thing for sure that you’ll live is in debt. It’s so expensive to enroll especially for post grad... the professors there encourage you to drop out if any significant opportunities come your way while you’re enrolled.
With that being said there was a time where I wanted to go really bad! I had LA Film school fever!! I ended up not even applying because my undergrad GPA sucked. But my friend got admitted and I flew out to help him on his thesis film when he got ready to graduate.
And I’ll be the first to admit that working on his film, on the grounds at USC, utilizing their beautiful studios and all the damn equipment they have available for their students was amazing. The film crew was very friendly and very professional. And the equipment they have available for them... it was almost a dream come true working their. The campus is sooo beautiful and the studios are legendary.
That's a great way to think about it. Unfortunately my experience on a thesis was not so great.
I am an autodidact screen writer (& did a bunch of writing workshops), I was intimidated by screenwriters coming out of college, until I became a script reader. I read so many awful scripts, it made me wonder what were these people being taught.
also you can learn everything there is to know about screenwriting, but you have to have experiences to write about. in the words of Dr Jones, if you wanna be a good archeologist, you gotta get out of the library
Yo man thank you for sharing you experience with this, as I have had a strong passion for making movies for as long as i can remember. Its always been a scary thought not being able to make a life around film making and personally i havent been able to keep up with school either so hearing your opinion on this helps me wrap my head around the whole subject and brings peace to mind. If keen to see what ive got look at Backlash, a movie on this channel which i am most happy with. Keep at it everyone
Thanks glad I could help!
Watching this as 2020 ends, reminds me of the courage we need to pursue the things we want even in this era!
I'm glad it could remind you of that!
All I have to say is: Thank you so much for making this video! god bless.
thank you for watching this video!
Hey man, thank you for making this. I am in my final year of "film" school at UCSB and the points you made validate all the issues I have observed in my system. You are very brave, and the fact that you were able to take yourself out of such an institution which attending was even your main goal of your entire grade school life is a testament to how independent of a thinker and do-er you are. I admire your courage.
Thanks dude I appreciate you saying that
I took several film related classes at SCC and I flunked TCM134 back in 2017...I had recently discovered that I got dropped from the same class in the hopes of improving my grade, so I’m not even sure if it’s worth it anymore. I could find a job as an actor, yet I live in Arizona.
yeah it's hard... but there's no single one way to do it
good luck though!
I did community college for GE's, then went into USC film school. Saved me mucho money. But still, you don't need film school. You can learn everything on your own these days online and through personal experiences in the industry.
Right!
Right on, man! that's good insight for me to use. I plan on going to film school soon and always had battles with thoughts of the pros and cons.
It's definitely something that you have to weigh what you will get out of film school with what you have to put in. All I know is there's not one path to success so if there's a path you believe in, you gotta take that one
Weird how there's so many instances like your "rant" appeal where when you let go & stop caring.... THAT'S when it finally works out, haha. Thanks for sharing!
thanks for commenting on that!
Thank you so much for making this video. I’ve applied to the Peter Stark Masters Producing Program 3 times and I’m contemplating a 4th. Hearing you share this has helped me think more about what I want. Thank you.
Glad to hear it. Good luck to you!
You were brave enough to do that and I admire your decision. I hope you will build your own path and be a great and famous filmmaker(aka director) one day! Follow your passion!☺️
Farida Yusif thank you!!!
not necessary to go to usc to be an intern in hollywood productions. Go to a state university where tuition amount is not as ridiculous. A degree is always good to have. Be an intern asap for a well known production company, and also regularly produce your own work. Networking in the industry is far more effective than networking in school by itself. In four years you would be far ahead of many usc film grads.
this is true. you'll likely end up an intern to start regardless of where you went
I know I am watching this over a year later, and I am in the same boat! All I have left is my film major, and I already am burnt out by all the general eds. I'm going to keep pushing, but its so hard to stay focused when you know what you want to do and you feel like your time is being wasted
Yeah I feel that. I think the goal is to take what you want to be focused on and find a way to make it your bread and butter
Or you could go to uni, get a degree in something that provides you with a sustainable income to support yourself and fund a feature. That’s what I’m doing. After uni I’ll go into corporate law in the Caribbean (much better economy where I live + better overall salary) I’ll be working and shooting / writing features.
Yeah that's not a bad idea. Plus there are many other degrees where you can learn something more valuable or applicable
brain rose Yeah man! For sure. I’m just glad you’re doing okay. It’s all up to the person in the end. Neither choice is good or bad, it’s all dependent on the individual.
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I know this video is old, but this really spoke to me. I'm going to college for film, it's all I've wanted to do my whole life as well, but after I started college I also started to feel like I was losing my passion for it. Recently I've been trying to find that passion again and remember why I liked making movies so much as a kid. Super relatable story, thanks for sharing!
I'm so glad I could share something you could relate to. Best of luck to you!
I would love to go to USC for my television/film major. However; all colleges rips students off. Aside from your major; they want you to take the same general education classes that you've been taking throughout grade school. Why can't they just give you the full degree for just taking the classes regarding to your major? I'd rather spend most of my time screen writing/filming; so that I'm more experienced by the time I hit the industry. Spending two thirds of your time in general studies; takes away from that.
Hollywood1127 i think if you’re mindful about which gen ed classes you take, it can add to your film major. by understanding the world and its history, you find stories to tell. the best example i can think of right now is Spike’s BlackKKlansman: based on a true story and very relevant to the current political climate in the US. just a thought. best of luck
THANK YOU. Finally someone understands how I feel 😊
I think it's a good point - expanding your education is important but so is focusing on your career
I don’t know why your video appeared or why I even clicked on it or even why I watched it to the end, but ultimately it was very worthwhile so thanks for sharing your story
Thank you!
I appreciate a video like this because it gives a levee into someone that has a desire but was given the wrong school and environment to flourish, but fir me I want to go to film school, not just because I want to be a filmmaker but I want the experience of going to college and learning about films, I dint expect to be someone who loses that passion do to who I am and what I think of film but what I want, I already had that crisis and went though it grew into just more love fir this art, behind the scenes of films do a lot to how you view filmmaking
For sure. The path is different for everyone, you just gotta find which is yours.
I very much related to this video. I have wanted to make films my whole life and I had a similar high school experience. I am currently an incoming freshman at the film school at Chapman University. I have no idea how it is going to go, but your words of wisdom have definitely to reminded me to stay true to myself no matter what. Thank you and good luck furthering your filmmaking career!
Joey Jordan glad to hear it helped, good luck to you at chapman!
How is Chapman going?
The only way you’ll know how it’s gonna go is by going through the whole thing. Stay strong and don’t give up. To work in your own dreams and projects you may have to work on someone else’s dreams and projects first, but it pays off. Good luck!
Doing USC or UCLA or NYU give you connections. These connections may give you a job in a STUDIO. Everything else is up to you. Which movies you want to do, your style, work ethic, your skills with actors with people... all up to you. These expensive colleges "only" give you connections, and this is not little in the world we live today. My advice is, if you can effort, go for it.
True that
Passion is not enough.
Not by itself
when applying for usc and chapman, i felt like it was what i was supposed to do bc everyone in my program was getting in there but it never felt like what i wanted to do. the cookie cutter aspect of film school feels so unauthentic in comparison to the passion behind the craft. thanks for the video bc it made me feel like i wasn’t the only one losing my passion based on my film school experience
thank you for your comment - I think you're exactly right in the way you described it
I graduated with an MFA from USC film school, and absolutely regret it. The education was far from decent, theres a lot of favoritism that hinders the growth of a lot of students, they dont stimulate your voice instead they rather put you in a box and systematically obligate you to work that way, and the cost is not worth the product they provide. Their selling point was connecting you with a mentor and a stellar job board at the time of graduation. At the end of the program, the mentors offered were recent graduates that weren't responsive, and the job board is pretty much editing jobs for dance websites or assistant to NGO's that is not related to either film or TV. It was a joke.
I'm in the TV business and people don't know this, but USC alumni have a bad rep. I avoid mentioning USC, and avoid hiring USC people because every time I did they weren't as competent or had a level of arrogance that got them fired on the first few weeks. Most of the people I've encountered in this business didn't choose film school, they chose getting out there and learning on the go.
If you want the contacts just PA for USC films, many of the PA's that I worked with I befriended and got them jobs and vice-versa. Learn on the job, you'll gain far more valuable knowledge that way instead of sitting and talking about making films in a classroom where half of the faculty is bitter.
If you need technical skills, take a course instead, buy gear and go film something.
Use the online resources in your favor. There are countless online forums where you can share scripts, footage and editing for feedback.
Go to Q&A's, seminars and talks.
Going to school for film is just a safety net, for you to be in this business you shouldn't be seeking safety nets, you need to be bold, curious and proactive.
Thank you for sharing this - I'm glad I'm not unique with my view of USC
brain rose oh believe me, you’re absolutely not alone, a looooot of people I know have regret USC upon graduation, when they realize that the school “bait and switched” them. And the 6 figure debt just ruins any future plans. Education is the one industry that you can’t ask for your money back if you feel like you were duped, unfortunately. I wish people stopped glorifying such a horrible business that is USC film school. It’s a shame.
you're only a freshman of course you would be taking general education classes. you get into your major classes when you're a sophomore/junior/senior. you should have went to community college first, then transferred to USC. still, i agree with your point that, if you want something enough, you can do it yourself. good luck
Yeah I did take some community college classes but the majority of classes still had to be non-film related
Hey Brian, My names Rashaun and like you I've always wanted to be a filmmaker for the majority of my life. USC was always the school I dreamed of attending for this passion also like you but after watching this it sounds like I may very much fall into the same hole that you did and at the end of the day, I really do not want to lose my biggest passion because of how things turn out in college. Thank you for sharing this and opening my eyes because I really was very set on wanting to go there but I don't want to end up under someone else doing grunt work hoping to one day be where I want to be. Best of luck to you and I subscribed and I'm really gonna try hard to support your channel. Thanks again!
Thanks for your comment. It is a good school for some and many are successful afterwards, but it definitely doesn't work for some people
Good luck to you! Follow whatever you feel like you're meant to do and don't let anyone tell you otherwise
Yassss you will prove them wrong !!! I love that
looking back at it, it was quite bold!
I just finished film school too and I'm 100% sure I could have learned everything they taught me online it within a week. it's sort of a joke but it gives you a good idea of what you're getting yourself into. all it takes to make movies is a passion and you clearly have that. best of luck!
Best of luck to you as well!
It is interesting that usc accepted that letter
it is interesting and unusual
Good for you man. Be yourself
I went to USC and hated it! You made the right choice! I absolutely loved your letter!
Thanks yeah definitely not for a lot of people
It seems like you guys have really shitty film schools over there. Film schools here in Spain are completely different, they really focus on the creative side (although the technical and theory parts are just as important) and much less on exams. You're constantly having to make short movies, documentaries, writing stuff... I find it so weird when I see these videos cause they're all exactly the same: film school is for people with money, little creativity and that only want to follow the system. It's so much more than that.
You hit it right on the head! Too much focus on technical over here, no one can tell a story. If you want my insight on film school, check this out - ruclips.net/video/Vg6cs23t-aY/видео.html
Carlos Fernández do you have film schools in particular that are in Spain?
Do you attend one in Spain? If so, which one? Or which film schools would you recommend in Spain, I'm thinking of applying as an international student from the UK..
My daughter just transferred to USC. She's enjoying all her film class.
Couple of things about US film school. There's many aspects of for making. Not everyone can be writers, producers or director's. You still need a team being those people to make find a reality. My daughter doesn't want to do any of those jobs. So that leads to fun production. Many of these fields are technical because it's the high end equipment (industry standards) that is used.
As a film student, beginning classes hello you decided what you want to specialize in. My daughter actually started enjoying writing scripts which she didn't before.
She cowrote her first story at age 8. Her teachers help them make it. They made a sequel the following year. Then 3 years of nothing. Followed by 4 years in high school, Sunday film programs and CSSSA program. 2 years of college she did little because she was studying so much. She finally got back into the film making for her transfer application.
I think that having the 2 years was a good gap for her.
Wanting to make films and learning to make films it's two very different things. I think not everyone is ready and want to be in a extremely structured program.
You can go to film programs that are completely unstructured and let you do what every kind of film you want like CalArts (my daughter's friends go there).
Everyone should fully research any program so they don't waste their time and money.
I would be really interested in learning more about how they do things outside the states.
Academic caliber means nothing. The brightest people are not the best students, the genius can be born through ups and downs.
Paul Brown Warsaw amen
Facts.
That's a great story. I thought about this school but many steered me away for costs (the environment didn't appeal anyway). As an accounting major numbers and networking are my primary things to think about. Like you I sometimes worry about the path I could have taken but chose not to when choosing between Cal Poly SLO and CSUN. It was stressful but I chose CSUN and I just have to live with looking over my shoulder thinking about what could have happened if I took the other path.
lightorchestrator thanks for your comment. I think there are good and bad decisions but every decision is the right decision cause it makes you, you.
Can I just ask did you drop out as a freshman/sophmore or junior/senior. You mentioned the amount of GE's you had to take but that is pretty common in your first two years.
Yeah that is pretty common. I was around junior level credits when I dropped out, but I had jumped around between usc and community college. About only 40 credits we're going to be my film classes which is about 1/3 of the degree
I finished my USC application for film school a couple days ago. To be honest, I quite scared of joining the other thousands of people who got rejected, but I know its not the end the world. The video and comments are putting me at ease.
I am sorry I haven't responded to this sooner, but I wish you the best of luck. However things went for you - know there is not a singular way to make it in this industry. There are many paths - you just have to find the right one for you.
I can totally relate to your pain bro. I tried to do film school as well but ending up trying do a film program at a private university. smh worst decision i have ever made in my life. the program wasnt even based on film they had me doing all these other wierd class like learning how to use photoshop and illustrator. i just wanted to film and film only so ik how it feels. my grades suffered because i thought maybe if change my major to something as close to a concentration in film it would make me feel like a film student, but the student body life of film sucked badly, and what other result was better than dropping out.... i refuse to waste my time on things i have very little intrest in.
Tevin De'Caprio it’s tough man, hope it works out for you though
thx for the precious feedback
you're welcome!
brain rose I hope you see this. I’m currently in the 11th grade living in Southern California and I’m questioning if I want to go to UCLA or USC but I feel so much pressure from school, teachers, family. I can totally relate to you, I’m not as smart like most people in my classes, My gpa is around 3.2 or 2.9. I fell in love with film like the past 2-3 years ago because of my favorite subject is Art. It’s always have been since I was a kid. both are similar to express emotion in the process but different of course. And I know there’s many great directors who didn’t go to college which inspires me to keep myself on track and what’s my next step. I’ve told some of my classmates and they all say you should apply for film schools around here or a community college. A guy told me that you don’t have to worry about college there’s great writers and directors who made it out without a degree. He also told me that it’s stupid if you apply and you already know what you want to, because you’ll waste your time in college. you can save time and money during those years. Which is true. But I’m just in a dilemma I do want to attend to usc but it’s just the classes are gonna get in the way and i don’t want to go through that. I just want to focus on film, screenplay, editing etc. Any advice? 🙂🤙🏼
Thanks for your comment! It's hard to give advice because there's really no single path to succeed in the industry. People who hire you are concerned with what you can do. Whether you learned that from USC's film school or by watching tutorials on youtube, they don't care as long as you do good work and are dedicated to the craft. My best advice is if youre looking for a well rounded education and the college experience, then go for that. If you're more independent and want to figure it out on your own, then that's also an option. You just gotta determine whats best for you. Hope that makes sense and best of luck to you!
brain rose thanks 🙏🏼 it really made a lot clear for me.
"Rant, and threaten to sue the school, and you will get in", got it!
lol
I think I saw you on the USC east Asian studies promotion video😂
hahah I have no knowledge of this
Thank you so much for sharing this! I appreciate your candor and can totally relate to so much that you said! I've been making films and have known for a while that film-making is 100% what I want to do. I currently go to an art school (high school) for Media Arts. USC has been a dream for me as well but like you, I don't want to be put in a box and want more creative freedom. It also seems that if you don't make more serious/drama films that you aren't taken seriously. ( I subscribed btw :) ) I'm still trying to figure out what to do/where to go..
thanks!! it's hard to make decisions like that. all I know is to follow your gut and work through whatever that leads you to.
Thanks :)
Liberal arts degrees can be salvaged if you supplement a cluster of business or technical courses or go on to earn a professional degree. Also, other jobs simply require a BA and don't care which degree you have.
This is true