Do New Caledonians have any say in Fr political affairs? No? Then let the people have their independence. Stop pretending this whole voting referendum is not about France still obtaining the country's nickel revenue.
If it was given as a choice to islanders twice in the last 5 years and both times the majority voted not to go independent, it makes sense to keep them as part of France. I’d the majority voted for secession then sure, but democratically it seems like the majority of the island doesn’t want to leave.
First, if there was a vote on the subject of decolonization, it should have been limited to 40% of the descendants of the original inhabitants; these individuals should have the only say, not the descendants of the settlers. Imagine if the Israeli settlers in occupied Palestinian territory were asked to vote on whether or not to keep the land as property of the Palestinians-it's about as legitimate, only in terms of New Caledonia, as the subject here is intergenerational.
Why would everyone in the island vote 🤔, only the indigenous people of Caledonia got to vote in their own country’s election and not the colonizers living their, what did you think colonizers will vote, they will start to creat all kinds of laws to vote on and then pump all the white French from France to Caledonia and they steal Caledonia and start taking their lands and killing them like Britain stoled Australia aboriginals, do you have sense at all 🤔.
@@barriekerr3273 not if the majority of white people in New Caledoni have lived there for 100 years or more. New arrivals are not from France but come from neighboring island country who make up 40% of the population only 10% of the island have been born in Metro France and not all of them are white french there is a Algerian muslim population too.
A majority voted twice not for independence. The 'independenists' are a minority. Just like in Greenland, the independence political party gets less than 10% of the vote. The money they get from Denmark gives them a high standard of living, ,almost 40,000 euros per capita income
@@PappyNakamoto the Europeans are actually a minority in both places, meaning even among the natives most voted against independence because the know their Healthcare, housing welfare all come from France (Denmark) in Greenlands case. If a majority were to vote for independence, so be it. They will have to make do on their own. And who will come step in if France were to leave? That's right, China, and we all know how that will work out.
@@jamesgo2014 the rules of the referendum excluded roughly 2/3s of the European population. Even with the scales tilted heavily in pro independence movement they could not win.
Get out France! Can people in French Guiana, French Polynesia or even New Caledonia, vote in regional France affairs? Get out France. Metropolitan France has so many problems of its own.
The price of gasoline, good, health care would all go through the roof including schooling. A tiny island is like northern Canada without being inside the bigger group you will pay far more for everything. What rights are suppressed? Marrying younger girls or some religion? Why bother separate? How are you suppressed? Where's the information for the argument?
New Caledonia voted to be seperate from Metro France and be its own territory French Guiana is part of Metro France and they vote in French elections. EU law also applies to them. French Guiana is like Hawaii while New Caledonia is like Puerto Rico.
Stop the french colonization. It is ridiculous for the island in the Pacific to be a part of France. If the colonization continue the local Kanaks will lose their island.
I'd side with the Kanaks, if it weren't for the fact that they had multiple opportunities to vote for independence via referendums but failed to do so. So now they cannot blame the colonizers for not achieving independence.
The issue with the third referendum was that they requested a delay due to the large number of elderly people who died during the COVID pandemic, resulting in numerous funerals. They were concerned that their people wouldn't be able to go to the polls. Given that the Kanaks are in the minority, they must do their best to bring together as many people as possible. However, this becomes difficult when some are at the cemetery, others in the hospital with their family, and family is an important value in the Pacific islands.
You are ignorant. Natives are only 40% of the population. While the European migrants and settlers are 60% of the population. Natives would loose every referendum because they are lesser in numbers. French have orchestrated a population replacement of the Natives.
New Caledonia, French Polynisia, Comores, St Martin, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Haiti. When is France going to come with a sustainable solution to its former territories who are all on the brink of civil war? Is France still able to govern and convince a diverse population?
I see parallels between race relations in New Caledonia and Malaysia. Both societies seem fragmented alone ethnic lines with indigenous populations fearing being swamped by immigrant populations. Both Kanaks and migrant populations regard New Caledonia as home but disagree about the direction of the territory.
yeah. birits and their love of sports. they play the same game in America too. it was a continential genocide history never witnessed and will never vitness again.
Macron asked China to build ports for New Caledonia. That empire and Australia were worried and angry. Whenever there are developments that go against the interests or hegemony of the Empire. This type of drama will happen.
The Kanaks would be very happy to recieve all the special payments of aboriginals in Australia .And who will be looking after the Kanaks if they gain independences They will be given Australian money and end up in Australia Welfare System or working if they are inspired too work
More Russia, they love this type of instability. China is friendly to France, as De Gaulle recognized CCP rule of China 60 years ago and France is friendly to China. A New Caledonia close to China would cause an Australian intervention. If this causes a bot reaction, you can be sure of it.
Macron asked China to build ports for New Caledonia. That empire and Australia were worried and angry. Whenever there are developments that go against the interests or hegemony of the Empire. This type of drama will happen.
some work for their life and to get ahead but Kanaks just lay around all day beg ,smoke drink,then they claim unequal life ,everyone has the same opportunities but not everyone wants to take advantage ,I know because every day I see it
😂😂😂 , those who lecture world on hypocrisy democracy values will see widefire in own capital streets as they invited middle east in home...for last 200 years.😂😂😂😂😂
Do New Caledonians have any say in Fr political affairs? No? Then let the people have their independence. Stop pretending this whole voting referendum is not about France still obtaining the country's nickel revenue.
I support independence for the island but everyone on the island should have a democratic right to vote
If it was given as a choice to islanders twice in the last 5 years and both times the majority voted not to go independent, it makes sense to keep them as part of France. I’d the majority voted for secession then sure, but democratically it seems like the majority of the island doesn’t want to leave.
you are lying,you mean any tourist visiting America should have the right to vote?
First, if there was a vote on the subject of decolonization, it should have been limited to 40% of the descendants of the original inhabitants; these individuals should have the only say, not the descendants of the settlers. Imagine if the Israeli settlers in occupied Palestinian territory were asked to vote on whether or not to keep the land as property of the Palestinians-it's about as legitimate, only in terms of New Caledonia, as the subject here is intergenerational.
Why would everyone in the island vote 🤔, only the indigenous people of Caledonia got to vote in their own country’s election and not the colonizers living their, what did you think colonizers will vote, they will start to creat all kinds of laws to vote on and then pump all the white French from France to Caledonia and they steal Caledonia and start taking their lands and killing them like Britain stoled Australia aboriginals, do you have sense at all 🤔.
@@barriekerr3273 not if the majority of white people in New Caledoni have lived there for 100 years or more. New arrivals are not from France but come from neighboring island country who make up 40% of the population only 10% of the island have been born in Metro France and not all of them are white french there is a Algerian muslim population too.
France GET OUT OF THE PACIFIC!!
US, UK and EU go Home and stay Home !!!!
US and EU geht nach Hause und bleibt zu Hause
Indépendance Now
And what's the plan post-independence? Bend the knee to the highest bidder? Looking at the map its not hard to guess who it would be...
@@NickolayEltell us who?
@@iABY2959 China. And it's not happening. The West will not allow Chinese military to station there
Get out of the colonies 😢😢😢.
Give them independence. All other pacific Islands are independent countries. Why is French still the colonial power??? In the 21st century??
Had three referendums to date and they said they wanted to remain with France. But I guess you speak for them!
@@frankyyaggabot6222no they did not, settlers say no to independance...of course...
The people voted to remain a part of France. The independence movement is a violent minority.
@Uiiiiuybnnew Caledonians? Are they the native?
@@frankyyaggabot6222three referendum? You mean the settlers not allowed to vote?
France still clinging on arent they😂😂😂😂 Desperate acts of a dying empire
A majority voted twice not for independence. The 'independenists' are a minority.
Just like in Greenland, the independence political party gets less than 10% of the vote. The money they get from Denmark gives them a high standard of living, ,almost 40,000 euros per capita income
@@geoffoakland majority Europeans ?
@@PappyNakamoto the Europeans are actually a minority in both places, meaning even among the natives most voted against independence because the know their Healthcare, housing welfare all come from France (Denmark) in Greenlands case. If a majority were to vote for independence, so be it. They will have to make do on their own. And who will come step in if France were to leave? That's right, China, and we all know how that will work out.
@@geoffoaklandIn Greenland, pro-independence parties have been in power since 1979. What nonsense are you talking about?!
European colonialism shame on you for your brutal past and present history.
Shame on the independence movement you lost the vote and now try and deny it to others.
@@jaystrickland4151where they denied? To the colonizers?
@@jamesgo2014 They voted to be a part of France that means the French living there are not colonizers.
@@jaystrickland4151 who voted? The natives? Or the settlers?
@@jamesgo2014 the rules of the referendum excluded roughly 2/3s of the European population. Even with the scales tilted heavily in pro independence movement they could not win.
Kanak are native and original people who seeking independence. Colonial settler need to go back France 🇫🇷. France should learn from Algeria 🇩🇿
Overseas territory always seemed like a contradiction to me.
Please dont kill the resistance everyone has a right to have their forgotten homeland back from Colonialism. Viva la revolutions
Get out France! Can people in French Guiana, French Polynesia or even New Caledonia, vote in regional France affairs? Get out France. Metropolitan France has so many problems of its own.
The price of gasoline, good, health care would all go through the roof including schooling.
A tiny island is like northern Canada without being inside the bigger group you will pay far more for everything.
What rights are suppressed? Marrying younger girls or some religion?
Why bother separate?
How are you suppressed?
Where's the information for the argument?
New Caledonia voted to be seperate from Metro France and be its own territory French Guiana is part of Metro France and they vote in French elections. EU law also applies to them. French Guiana is like Hawaii while New Caledonia is like Puerto Rico.
the people dont want france lord over them.
they probably judge themselves. "what kind of people are we to allow french to lord over us"
It's not French territory, time to go home
Stop the french colonization. It is ridiculous for the island in the Pacific to be a part of France. If the colonization continue the local Kanaks will lose their island.
French territory?
No to colonialism and exploitation in the 21st century. Independence now for the natives.
Victimhood has discovered a new client base.!!
That’ s why France banned tiktok? Really?
Does it fit with “freedom”? So sad…
Free New Caledonia 🇳🇨
Imperialists 🇫🇷 go home
France should just accept the will of Islanders.
Crimea is not Russia, but 10 thousand KM away New Caledonia is France, lol.....
I'd side with the Kanaks, if it weren't for the fact that they had multiple opportunities to vote for independence via referendums but failed to do so. So now they cannot blame the colonizers for not achieving independence.
The issue with the third referendum was that they requested a delay due to the large number of elderly people who died during the COVID pandemic, resulting in numerous funerals. They were concerned that their people wouldn't be able to go to the polls. Given that the Kanaks are in the minority, they must do their best to bring together as many people as possible. However, this becomes difficult when some are at the cemetery, others in the hospital with their family, and family is an important value in the Pacific islands.
@@Fate_trades when it comes to drinking ,they are there for breakfast time!
You are ignorant. Natives are only 40% of the population. While the European migrants and settlers are 60% of the population.
Natives would loose every referendum because they are lesser in numbers.
French have orchestrated a population replacement of the Natives.
Get up ! Stand up ! People of the world ...
New Caledonia, French Polynisia, Comores, St Martin, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Haiti. When is France going to come with a sustainable solution to its former territories who are all on the brink of civil war? Is France still able to govern and convince a diverse population?
I see parallels between race relations in New Caledonia and Malaysia. Both societies seem fragmented alone ethnic lines with indigenous populations fearing being swamped by immigrant populations. Both Kanaks and migrant populations regard New Caledonia as home but disagree about the direction of the territory.
5:18 Australian Aborigines were not mistreated in Australia, Aborigines were hunted instead of foxes for sport
yeah. birits and their love of sports. they play the same game in America too. it was a continential genocide history never witnessed and will never vitness again.
Maybe they want another referendum?🤔
Maybe have a referendum ABOUT
having a referendum..?
@@2msvalkyrie529 this deserves a separate referendum of itself😅
@@uck8978
they are too drunk to vote
Great analysis.
Russia
What is the economic relationship between France and New Caledonia? I'd imagine New Calefonia would be subsidised massively by mainland France.
French should just leave them to
get on with it.! They can sell coconuts or grass skirts to make a
living . Good luck and Au Revoir...😂
true its the best place in the area because of that ,but after this mess ,im taking my family to a safer country
@@2msvalkyrie529 France wants to continue to exploit the country's nickel supplies. It's all about greed.
I'm for their independence. But france should try looking for ccp hand in there. Honiara is not far away.
Sure let's blame China. Nothing to do with the recent voting reforms by Paris
Macron asked China to build ports for New Caledonia.
That empire and Australia were worried and angry.
Whenever there are developments that go against the interests or hegemony of the Empire.
This type of drama will happen.
Make New Caledonia Native Again
The Kanaks would be very happy to recieve all the special payments of aboriginals in Australia .And who will be looking after the Kanaks if they gain independences They will be given Australian money and end up in Australia Welfare System or working if they are inspired too work
Or you could send the foreign legion, pacify them, make everyone vote an stay there until they understand
C C P influence, probably
More Russia, they love this type of instability. China is friendly to France, as De Gaulle recognized CCP rule of China 60 years ago and France is friendly to China. A New Caledonia close to China would cause an Australian intervention. If this causes a bot reaction, you can be sure of it.
Macron asked China to build ports for New Caledonia.
That empire and Australia were worried and angry.
Whenever there are developments that go against the interests or hegemony of the Empire.
This type of drama will happen.
@@brunoalbano616The empire and AUS angry, Macron asked China to build port.
ça me rappelle les indépendantistes corses qui ont reclame la meme situation ? 👇
Peace freedom Justice is for everyone
some work for their life and to get ahead but Kanaks just lay around all day beg ,smoke drink,then they claim unequal life ,everyone has the same opportunities but not everyone wants to take advantage ,I know because every day I see it
Leave other people's countries alone.
French colony that's it
Shameless people...the colonizers are lectureing
The dangers of colonialism and imperialism.
😂😂😂 , those who lecture world on hypocrisy democracy values will see widefire in own capital streets as they invited middle east in home...for last 200 years.😂😂😂😂😂
I live another country I can vote they're citizens
ur country is not ruled by the French government, isn't it??
ur country is not ruled by the French government, isn't it??
This so called " lecturer " attempt to explain the current situation was painful.
I lost the Will to Live after 10 minutes.
Overseas territory? You mean Colonies?
Them Kanaks are completely correct.
If the laws are adopted,
They would be disenfranchised.
Like those original people of Australia.
Apartheid
Notable use of "prepone" by the guest. Not a word.