What if Russia Was Muslim? Part 2

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    PART 1: • What if Russia Was Mus...
    For some reason Vladimir the Great picked Islam in an alternate timeline. The ramifications for this were tremendous. Probably destroyed the idea of Russia at all. Would Russia turn to Central Asia? Would Novgorod be its own independent state?
    Twitter: / althistoryhub
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    Edited by Grant Hurst of Casual Historian: / @casualhistorian
    Chapters:
    00:00 Introduction
    01:00 A Tale of Two Russias
    08:44 Novgorod
    12:33 Christian Russia
    16:00 Muslim Russia

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  • @LittleGoblinBoi
    @LittleGoblinBoi Год назад +1693

    We need more Jimmy and Cody lore, and we need it NOW.

  • @xanderalaniz2298
    @xanderalaniz2298 Год назад +1104

    Considering French influences were heavy in Russia during peak Empire, I wouldn't be surprised if such a relationship would also exist between the French and the Northern Slavs (Novgorod). French philosophy would flourish in a similar way I'd imagine.

    • @c.i.a.932
      @c.i.a.932 Год назад +44

      How? French influences came because Russia was extremely backward for a long time, then when Peter and Catherine reformed Russia, they used France as a blueprint. That’s not going to happen in this scenario as it’s completely unrelated.

    • @xanderalaniz2298
      @xanderalaniz2298 Год назад

      @hereisthefullclip I am confused... but not disengaged.

    • @iiw2606
      @iiw2606 Год назад

      ​@@c.i.a.932Catherine was not yhat much of a reformator and she was born long after Peter. And Peter was more fond of Netherlands than France, though he was an autocratic piece of shit that completely enslaved russian peasants and enforced social segregation. Even it was not him who started all the reformes. It was his father.

    • @monokumaxd1943
      @monokumaxd1943 Год назад +5

      @@c.i.a.932 Ideas originating in France and spreading across Europe would be exported to Novgorod through trade and travel

    • @jacekwojciechowski3679
      @jacekwojciechowski3679 Год назад +7

      Then expect not Lutheran but Calvinist Novgorod or maybe other unique protestant denomination, combination of many different elements. Calvinism was strong in central duchy of Lithuania so it also would possibly backing idea of Calvinistic at least in part Novgorod.

  • @theonebman7581
    @theonebman7581 Год назад +651

    I love how the characters have been slowly devolving into insanity with each video that gets released
    Last time, Jimmy had an existential crisis. Today, Cody is having his own existential crisis!

  • @conserva-chan2735
    @conserva-chan2735 Год назад +568

    A vid on if the Sino-Soviet split never happened or was patched up in the 70s would be super duper

    • @sergioventura2595
      @sergioventura2595 Год назад +5

      Sup my man

    • @ooonyxxx
      @ooonyxxx Год назад +59

      That means either the Soviet Union rolled back on Kruschevite reforms or Mao agreed to reform, firstly....that already creates an infinite amount of possibilities in both directions...

    • @conserva-chan2735
      @conserva-chan2735 Год назад +8

      @O N Y X Kosygin probably, which would permanently change the USSR and Cold War

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 Год назад +22

      ​@@ooonyxxx Alternate history in a nutshell

    • @tommurphy4770
      @tommurphy4770 Год назад +2

      @@concept5631 was gonna say same thing 😂

  • @thecynicpyro
    @thecynicpyro Год назад +93

    That image you used at 12:21 is a painting of a historic Circassian tradition whereby a woman can stop two fighting parties by taking off her scarf and throwing it in between them, the rival parties would then be forced to stop out of respect for the woman and her wishes by her plea of sacrificing her modesty to stop bloodshed.

    • @jared_bowden
      @jared_bowden Год назад +18

      interesting. The one at 9:43 is a famous Old Believer (Feodosia Morozova) sticking two fingers up to the church as she sleds by: the old rite uses two fingers to make the cross, and the new rite uses three.

    • @harshjain3122
      @harshjain3122 Год назад +4

      That's very interesting. Thanks

    • @ibroplatin4915
      @ibroplatin4915 4 месяца назад

      I love my Circassian brothers

  • @killer_rabbit_
    @killer_rabbit_ Год назад +47

    If the Russians get culturally closer with Persia, they might have neither a Sultan nor a Tsar. Instead Russia could have a Muhammad Vladimir, Shahanshah of Russia

    • @gwest3644
      @gwest3644 2 месяца назад +6

      I think they'd more likely just use Sultan, or even Khan from all that Central Asian influence. They might even use both like some places did: Moxammed Vladimir Khan, Sultan of all Rus

  • @apevus6082
    @apevus6082 Год назад +691

    We are simple, we see an AH video we become happy

    • @just-some-muslim
      @just-some-muslim Год назад +3

      That pfp ain't simple bro 💀

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 Год назад +2

      Agree

    • @mongolhorde5827
      @mongolhorde5827 Год назад

      shut up SHUT UP

    • @socialistrepublicofvietnam1500
      @socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 Год назад +4

      No dopamine ➡ AHH uploads ➡ More dopamine

    • @NA-AN
      @NA-AN Год назад +1

      @@just-some-muslim It's either showing a black person-in which case that would make this persons user name awfully racist-OR I pay attention to things that don't matter and I need to touch grass asap.

  • @tdcarl7X
    @tdcarl7X Год назад +286

    As soon as you said "russia might have gotten to the Pacific coast a century earlier" the idea of Muslim Russians colonizing the pacific north west sounds so cool.

    • @jared_bowden
      @jared_bowden Год назад +31

      There was only ever like 300 Russians max at any given time in America; despite that, in those regions the Natives are mostly still Orthodox. Under Muslim rule + 100 more years, I wonder if you'd see more influence (100 more years of expansion = bigger Alaska) or less (a big reason Orthodoxy stuck is it got mixed up with the local culture - might be harder to do with a religion that comes from a Desert).

    • @myscreen2urs
      @myscreen2urs Год назад +4

      Would they still have sold Alaska to the Americans? Would they have completely hunted the otters into extinction? What would their influence over the new world have been? 🤔🤔🤔

    • @beb6c2a
      @beb6c2a Год назад +16

      Ikr? Imagine Islamic Cascadia stretching from Alaska all the way to Oregon and norther California.

    • @gutyhuy3817
      @gutyhuy3817 Год назад +5

      Realistically a Muslim Russia wouldn’t be able to take on the Qing in their homeland, who already put up a good fight to begin with, especially if they fought 100 years early near the height of Qing power. Russia reaches the pacific, but has no warm water port. Also the Chinese maintain ports on the sea of Japan, would could lead to some interesting situations during the Sino-Japanese wars.

    • @pocketmarcy6990
      @pocketmarcy6990 Год назад +6

      @@gutyhuy3817 didn’t Russia take Vladivostok much later in the mid 1800s though?

  • @user-op8fg3ny3j
    @user-op8fg3ny3j Год назад +350

    1:16 The reason this moment resonated so strongly in the Muslim world is because it fulfilled a prophecy

    • @oilybat3269
      @oilybat3269 Год назад +9

      that prophecy being?

    • @thecpt6265
      @thecpt6265 Год назад +84

      nah it didn't that's a false narration people spread around, the real prophecy was about conquering constantinople in the end times without any fighting at all.

    • @baird5682
      @baird5682 Год назад +6

      What propecy?

    • @just-some-muslim
      @just-some-muslim Год назад +134

      Prophet Muhammad have said,
      *“Soon Constantinople will be defeated, how wonderful will be the leader and the army (that conquers Constantinople).”*
      - Musnad Ahmad, vol. 4 pg. 335

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 Год назад +4

      ​@@just-some-muslim Interesting

  • @Wehrnobyl
    @Wehrnobyl Год назад +120

    This title popping up in my notifications was hilarious. I was watching an emotional part of the show and all the sudden. “WHAT IF RUSSIA WAS MUSLIM!?!?!?”

  • @TheBlackAndDeckerBootyWrecker
    @TheBlackAndDeckerBootyWrecker Год назад +327

    I thought I'd never see the day when Althist finally decided to do a "part 2" for any one of his previous videos.

    • @Fortzon
      @Fortzon Год назад +27

      Part 2, now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.

    • @tigremc
      @tigremc Год назад +11

      He also did a part 2 on Muslim Iberia.

    • @NA-AN
      @NA-AN Год назад +1

      @@tigremc Still waiting on part 3.

    • @macdeus2601
      @macdeus2601 Год назад +4

      His "Nazis win WW2" scenario was a 4-episode series, wasn't it?
      This definitely isn't the first time.
      I'm a bit surprised that he thought the "Muslim Russia" topic needed two episodes, but splitting up a topic he views as complicated and in need of a lot of discussion is not at all new to the channel as a general concept.

    • @cybr69lol
      @cybr69lol Год назад

      @@tigremc still waiting on part 3

  • @Retaliatixn
    @Retaliatixn Год назад +112

    You're truly one of the rare RUclipsrs which I love watching their sponsorship clips. That says a lot about how good the quality of the content is.

    • @GmodPlusWoW
      @GmodPlusWoW Год назад +1

      It's like how Please Stop Talking had a bizarre thriller arc for their ad-reads, back when Shammy (is it still ok to call her that?) was still part of the podcast.

  • @legoboy468
    @legoboy468 Год назад +21

    The “wait that’s not you?” Line made me laugh irl, that rarely happens with RUclips videos. I loved the whole ad segment that was great haha I hope we get more wacky lore in the future

  • @xanderalaniz2298
    @xanderalaniz2298 Год назад +46

    It is great to consider that, regardless of whether RU would've become Sunni or Shia, it still would've been changed considerably with eastern Slavic and cold climate cultures

    • @manofwar2354
      @manofwar2354 Год назад +24

      This culture already existed with tatars bashkirs and caucasian muslims

    • @rizkyadiyanto7922
      @rizkyadiyanto7922 6 месяцев назад

      southeast asian muslims live in jungle instead of dry desert yet theyre just not that different than any other muslim.

  • @LEA_TV
    @LEA_TV Год назад +9

    20:00 The Corporations have found a way to transport floating heads, like Nixon in Futurama, solely to project commercials. Similar to drone sky ads, we are now truly living in the world of 1984.

  • @EpicGamerWinXD69
    @EpicGamerWinXD69 Год назад +160

    I'd really like to see a future episode of "What if Mongolia permanently annexed the Keivan Reus."

    • @snomcultist189
      @snomcultist189 Год назад +49

      Mongolia... permanent... you shouldn’t use those two words in the same sentence

    • @rezajafari6395
      @rezajafari6395 Год назад +13

      Wouldn't have happened, this just wasn't how the Mongol Empire worked

    • @Dezzyyy
      @Dezzyyy Год назад +4

      @Reza Jafari exactly. A nomadic culture/empire would've never been "permanent," they eventually would've shrunk or adopted aspects of other cultures.

    • @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
      @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana Год назад

      They would just have been converted from within 😂.

    • @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
      @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana Год назад +6

      @@Dezzyyy The Ottomans lasted pretty long. Obvs abandoned their nomadic lifestyle.

  • @C.R.A.B
    @C.R.A.B Год назад +132

    I would really like to see a video on Poland-lithuania in this timeline as well. Like what important changes would happen or not happen to the Commonwealth. Would they win during the swedish flood( mid XVII century) which caused them to give prussia independence and seal their fate by doing that, or maybe they could colonize America , since livonia( today latvia) as a vassal of Poland-Lithuania took a few Islands that the dutch later occupied in the carribean so that is a possibility. And also later if we assume they won the wars with sweden what if the King of the Commonwealth used his claim as a member of the swedish dynasty(Vasa) to take sweden into a personal Union, would a Polish-Lithuanian-swedish Commonwealth, around the entire baltic sea be a possibility? And during napoleon, what would be the changes seeing as prussia and Austria as well as russian empire wouldn't really exist, so this would also change how it turned out. In short i would like to see the perspective of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in this timeline. Ending my monologue, Thanks for another great video Cody. I like to often think about the different possibilities we could have ended up with during major events in history, and that is why i love this Channel so much for 4 years now :D

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Год назад +14

      I really can't see Poland becoming a major colonial power, since their position on the map just makes it too easy for naval trade to be disrupted and their primary concerns would be in Europe and the Middle East, meaning if they want to expand why not bring some Islamic Russia or Ottoman lands into Poland.

    • @C.R.A.B
      @C.R.A.B Год назад +3

      @@anvos658 true, probably the ottoman lands part would be most likely since Commonwealth and turkish forces fought eachother in vienna and there were many conflicts in moldova as well, just like the tsars against sultans fought later for the same lands , so i think the same kind of power struggle for the black sea would occur as in our timeline but instead of the russian Empire against ottoman Empire it would be the Commonwealth forces contesting the turks.
      overall in the later years of even the first dynasty of the commonwealth most of their interests was in the south like kingdoms of hungary and Bohemia with jagiellonian dynasty or moldova and the black sea later in the years of kings from the Sobieski or Wiśniowiecki dynasties.

    • @rebelgaming1.5.14
      @rebelgaming1.5.14 Год назад +2

      I think Prussia still eventually gains independence. The Hohenzollerns were already becoming a major power in Northern Germany and were quickly becoming a rival to Austria. The Hohenzollerns were also elected dukes of Prussia when it was established as a Polish Vassal state which contributed to its eventual independence.
      I could see a potential Swedo-Brandenburger alliance invading the Poles instead of Sweden and Russia in this period. The result is likely land lost in Livonia and the West instead of the East. Perhaps East Prussia is connected to Brandenburg much earlier, leaving Poland-Lithuania almost entirely landlocked to the Northwest. They still almost certainly have a Black Sea Coast.
      An important thing though is that Poland likely doesn't get entirely partitioned. That was Frederick the Great's idea but with an Islamic Russia he would likely think twice and would rather have a Polish-Lithuanian buffer to the Muslims. Austria, considering their wars with the Ottomans, likely backs a Polish state's continued existence. Chances are Courland and Lithuania remain in Polish hands along with Ukraine and Belarus, but chunks of the West will likely be lost in early wars with Brandenburg-Prussia.
      In the end, However, Poland-Lithuania survives as a state. Sweden probably holds on to Finland, but probably loses Estonia and Livonia in wars with Novgorod.
      TLDR: Poland Lithuania doesn't get partitioned but Prussia still gains independence.

    • @compatriot852
      @compatriot852 Год назад +2

      A Commonwealth would probably not happen in this timeline. Remember, the whole union occurred because of very specific political situations involving Jogaila and the Gediminds dynastic feuds
      People like to act as if it was pre destined for some reason despite Lithuanian history showing it to not be so.

    • @Pedro_Colicigno
      @Pedro_Colicigno Год назад

      What i find more interesting, is the chance the HRE surviving the napoleonic era... Imagine the HRE during industrialization... Would they be a big state eventually centralized? Or would they be a proto EU (but with only germans)

  • @beb6c2a
    @beb6c2a Год назад +40

    I liked how you portrayed both Russia's though I think you were just a bit wester centric. I know that most of the viewers are from the west but it could have given a fuller picture showing its effects across Asia and middle east. That may even change the way you see this timeline.
    If you agree I would like to even add to this video by making one about the effects in other parts of the globe!

  • @slavicanthropology
    @slavicanthropology Год назад +89

    You should do a video on what if the Qing Industrialized.

    • @peterwindhorst5775
      @peterwindhorst5775 Год назад +10

      Most likely the Taipings would be more successful - which is a horrid thought in itself.

    • @juanitoarcoiris5824
      @juanitoarcoiris5824 Год назад +1

      That would be china buffed

    • @Arkantos1900
      @Arkantos1900 Год назад +1

      faster to divide

    • @rachard
      @rachard Год назад

      @@peterwindhorst5775 CHINESE BROTHER OF JESUS CHRIST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW UR LOCATION *HEAVENLY KINGS ORDAR*

  • @juanitoarcoiris5824
    @juanitoarcoiris5824 Год назад +12

    I really hope you make a part 3 this is a very deep theme, and the ads are quite good, good vid bro

  • @leonartu3756
    @leonartu3756 Год назад +24

    This is really interesting! I hope a third Episode is coming

  • @bigchungus1920
    @bigchungus1920 Год назад +15

    Without Russia becoming orthodox and adopting Cyrillic would Novgorod use Latin alphabet?

  • @bluejacketwarrior2457
    @bluejacketwarrior2457 Год назад +32

    It's not often the sponsor spots make me laugh out loud. This one did.

  • @cataphracts123
    @cataphracts123 Год назад +7

    I appreciate the work you put into these videos.

  • @justanaveragesloth4141
    @justanaveragesloth4141 Год назад +28

    What if Zambia won the space race

  • @butterking211-viewingaccou4
    @butterking211-viewingaccou4 Год назад +25

    I would love to see a video where you cover. What if the Anglo-Saxons won at the Battle of Hastings?

  • @alex.carioca
    @alex.carioca Год назад +1

    The way you catch our attention in the money time it's always as good as the mainly part of the video.

  • @wolfgangwolff1343
    @wolfgangwolff1343 Год назад +8

    I can't wait for the further stories of Jimmy!

  • @justinskirzenski
    @justinskirzenski Год назад +5

    Great video!

  • @cameroncampbell6635
    @cameroncampbell6635 Год назад +22

    13:04 that caught me off guard and made me die laughing LMAO

  • @mackenziemcinnis1879
    @mackenziemcinnis1879 Год назад

    This is by far the best ad read so far. Definitely got me.

  • @zakuraiyadesu
    @zakuraiyadesu Год назад

    Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!

  • @VolumeCheese
    @VolumeCheese Год назад +8

    I was really looking forward to this video!!

    • @Alec_Reaper
      @Alec_Reaper Год назад

      Uh no you weren't, you have only been subscribed to Alternative History Hub for 5 seconds. Tsk Tsk

    • @VolumeCheese
      @VolumeCheese Год назад

      @@Alec_Reaper bro what

    • @user-op8fg3ny3j
      @user-op8fg3ny3j Год назад

      @@Alec_Reaper how do u know?

    • @Alec_Reaper
      @Alec_Reaper Год назад

      ​@@user-op8fg3ny3j my dad works at Google

    • @sapphoschild3019
      @sapphoschild3019 Год назад +3

      ​@@VolumeCheese sorry mate, alec has spoken. i dont make the rules

  • @bigtex5930
    @bigtex5930 Год назад +9

    Holy cow you actually got me to laugh out loud at the end. Good job Cody love the videos lol

    • @bigtex5930
      @bigtex5930 Год назад

      I’ll pray for your mental health as you continue to read RUclips comments 😂

  • @SolsortTheHappy
    @SolsortTheHappy Год назад +1

    Amazing ad Cody
    and amazing video as always :D

  • @AndisweatherCenter
    @AndisweatherCenter Год назад +2

    Awesome video!

  • @fortcraftpodcast6589
    @fortcraftpodcast6589 Год назад +34

    Is there anyway you’d consider doing your map bits in colors that are more easy to deviate from land and water? I feel like a lot of times I find it hard to tell exactly what I’m looking at, love the videos though. Please keep them coming😎

    • @EvilParagon4
      @EvilParagon4 Год назад +3

      Stare at maps long enough until the obscure shapes of coastlines and borders are so thoroughly burned into your brain that you will instantly be able to recognise any land no matter how flipped, rotated, or squashed.
      Trust me, it works.

    • @fortcraftpodcast6589
      @fortcraftpodcast6589 Год назад +1

      @@EvilParagon4 true that. I don’t know I think the light colored land and dark colored water is what throws me off (I think that’s it, I forget since yesterday haha) maybe im pea brained, but I’ll try your suggestion for sure! Appreciate it!

  • @Lucky-2552
    @Lucky-2552 Год назад +5

    I love your sponsorship ads, this says alot cause I avoid ads purposefully with YT premium

    • @flazzorb
      @flazzorb Год назад +4

      _"Oh god is that my floating head?!"_

  • @andrespuszynszestopalova1268
    @andrespuszynszestopalova1268 Год назад

    Looking forward for part 3

  • @FerretPirate
    @FerretPirate Год назад +1

    Man, I love your ad reads.

  • @kaptenyoshideluxe3192
    @kaptenyoshideluxe3192 Год назад +5

    You should do a video on the nish alt historie vinyl the new first family 68 that would be a crazy video but an intreassting one or just a quick mention in another video

  • @henrikonsap1918
    @henrikonsap1918 Год назад +69

    Uhm, I dont wanna nitpick or anything but your Novgorod from this timeline would have a majority finnic people in it, not slavs especially when they would accept protesthantism which they would. The finnic peoples around petrograd only started fading in the 18th century so I think in this case Novogorod might even abandon its slavic roots and integrate with the finnic people of the region creating a meld between those people. Also you have painted Estonia and Livonia as Novgorod territories much earlier than Russia really conquered them which further indicates that it would probably evolve into something unimaginable for us. So what I am saying is Novgorod might form into a finnic/slavic union uniting Finland, Karelia, Ingria, Estonia, Livonia and Novgorod lands under one banner without the russian finns dyeing out.

    • @Vellerize
      @Vellerize Год назад +31

      This. Novgorod being independent would most certainly lead to a much larger uralic influence upon it.

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 Год назад +2

      Interesting

    • @jacekwojciechowski3679
      @jacekwojciechowski3679 Год назад +2

      Sensible is to think that the process of acculturation of Finnic people there would occur, similar to what in our timeline happened in Vilnius Land where first nobles & aristocracy then town dwellers slowly acquired Polish language and culture whilst rejecting Ruthenian and/or Lithuanian

    • @memoria8732
      @memoria8732 Год назад +5

      While this might be true, it’s safe to assume it’d probably turn out into a Poland Lithuanian esque type of situation. Russians (or Slavs) in general would still have more control and the Uralic people would slowly adopt and mold into said Slavic culture.

    • @henrikonsap1918
      @henrikonsap1918 Год назад +3

      @@memoria8732 well yes and no. Ofcourse the high class and city people would be speaking russian and melding into slavic culture but the peasantry probably wouldn't especially if prothestant scholars begin sermons in the local language. The same dynamic happened both in finland and estonia where high class and cityfolk spoke a different language from the peasantry. Now without Moscows russification of the eastern finnic people, they wouldn't fade into slavic cultures because it would have very little merit for them. Using west finnic people from our time period as an example is better than lithuanians/poles atleast imo because of the similarties in the cultures.

  • @Dragonseer666
    @Dragonseer666 3 месяца назад +2

    Why is the music in this so freaking amazing? Especially in the Christian Russia chapter.

  • @SkittytheKid
    @SkittytheKid Год назад

    get boxed jimmy!! the lore expands, thanks for vid and entertaining ad

  • @theomccann8047
    @theomccann8047 Год назад +11

    Please make a "What if stronger Poland?" video.
    Let me have some hope

  • @JurasJankauskas
    @JurasJankauskas Год назад +7

    I feel like half of this video is just what if Novgorod didn't die and I love it. It was such a unique country with an almost futuristic form of government compared to their contemporaries. I think I could see Novgorod taking a similar role to the Republic of Venice, becoming the de facto trading republic of the baltic and arctic seas. One thing that would be an almost permanent problem for Novgorod, would be sea access, like for Russia in our timeline, but with no way to get even close to the Black Sea or the Pacific, I could imagine Novgorod being much more focused on conquering or gaining access to various baltic and scandinavian ports.

  • @EffinChat
    @EffinChat Год назад +1

    I love the deep lore that's developing in Cody's ad reads

  • @sharrpshooter1
    @sharrpshooter1 Год назад

    That was one of the best ad read I have ever seen, like we are talking internet historian level of good

  • @idontknoq4813
    @idontknoq4813 Год назад +5

    Honestly I'm surprised that there's a part two.

  • @sbevexlr848
    @sbevexlr848 Год назад +5

    I'm surprised you haven't talked about the romanovs and how they would end up in this alt world of Muslim Russia, I really would hope you would make a part 3 on this discussion 🙏

    • @inspector_beyond
      @inspector_beyond 11 месяцев назад +2

      Given the fertility of Muslim Sultans, ROmanovs could've never been installed on the throne. Rurikids would've still ruled over the lands. Who knows, maybe so it happens that Ivan the Terrible is still born and came to power, but with a large number of brothers and half-brothers and large number of sons he would have comapred to what he had in out history.
      Again, this aspect comes into how courtly life and royal marriage would work in Muslim Rus - like in out history or more Ottoman-like, with concubines and etc. (I say Ottoman-like, because i have almost no knowledge on how actually Arab, Persian and Egyptian Sultanates worked in this aspect. I only know th basis of Ottoman court life.)

  • @trygveplaustrum4634
    @trygveplaustrum4634 Год назад +1

    Hey, Cody shouted me out with the Siege of Vienna comment!
    And he accurately depicted me in a dumpster on fire! Impressive!

  • @captainthorrek262
    @captainthorrek262 Год назад +1

    That sponsorship ad was priceless!

  • @WatermelonVodka69
    @WatermelonVodka69 Год назад +12

    Idea for part 3: where does Galicia-Volhynia fit in all of this? It was the westernmost Rus' successor state and the one that influenced modern-day Ukraine. To defend against the Golden Horde Galicia (later Ruthenia) formed strong relations with the Papal States and at one point considered adopting catholicism so that the Pope protects the kingdom and declares a crusade on the Mongols. That never happened, of course, but if much of the Rus' is muslim and Halych and Volyn' still were influenced by western European culture and Philosophy, Galicia would adopt catholicism and a crusade would happen, but it would just be in northern Ukraine and Belarus. There would be a 3-way divide in the Rus', and neither Poland nor Lithuania would dare touch Ruthenia, even if it was in a civil war as brutal as the Galicia-Volhynia war of 1340-1392. Wars between Russia and Ruthenia would still happen but one would never conquer the other, and it would quickly devolve into a cold war.

    • @jacekwojciechowski3679
      @jacekwojciechowski3679 Год назад

      Many depends on outcome of the Polish-Teutonic War (1326-1332) and if Casimir would be a king only for Poland's east or for West too. Dukes of Glogow also wanted the royal crown for themselves and were related to Teutonic Grand Master. Secondary what also would play a role in scenario is if Galician ruler George II Boleslaus - Polish Piast relative survived and ruled the realm.

    • @WatermelonVodka69
      @WatermelonVodka69 Год назад

      @@jacekwojciechowski3679 Poland only became interested in the lan after Piast rule fell in Galicia and most local nobles fighting for power were mongolophillic. Even before that royal marriages happened between the 2 states and they were fairly close allies most of the time.

  • @compatriot852
    @compatriot852 Год назад +11

    Not sure why you assume Poland Lithuania would unite in this timeline or why an Islamic Rus would still maintain control when a Pagan Lithuania would probably conquer a large portion of that previously Rus land like in our timeline

    • @manofwar2354
      @manofwar2354 Год назад +3

      Maybe both muslim and luthanian unite
      Because muslims have free religion practise policy unlike crusaders
      And slowly they convert to islam

    • @dinohermann1887
      @dinohermann1887 Год назад +1

      ​@@manofwar2354 Muslims despised pagans (or polytheists in general) just as much as Christians did. For them only the "book faiths" like their own religion, Christianity and Judaism mattered, the rest wasn't treated as equal subjects.

    • @manofwar2354
      @manofwar2354 Год назад

      @@dinohermann1887 muslims despised polytheist yes
      But did not forcibly convert them like catholic
      You can find many religion in muslim lands exist but not in christian lands

    • @dinohermann1887
      @dinohermann1887 Год назад

      @@manofwar2354 However, these faiths, that still survive in the middle east to this day, are subjects of discrimination and sometimes even prosecution by their states they live in, unfortunately (like the Yazidis or the Druze).

    • @manofwar2354
      @manofwar2354 Год назад

      @@dinohermann1887 no they get more rights in goverments loooool
      U never lived in middle east each discremenate the other
      Yezidi and druze are offshot of islam
      Christian and jews nobody care about them

  • @gunjfur8633
    @gunjfur8633 Год назад

    I hope you'll do a part 3

  • @mittensfastpaw
    @mittensfastpaw Год назад +1

    That ending ad was gold!

  • @a_dreamer8612
    @a_dreamer8612 Год назад +3

    The lore of the ad reads just got really interesting

  • @taslimuddin700
    @taslimuddin700 Год назад +7

    Regarding the sect Russia could've follow in this alternate timeline, Russia would probably follow the sect of the place where Vlad sent his voyagers to learn about islam. Idk where envoys were sent though.

    • @Dezzyyy
      @Dezzyyy Год назад +5

      That's if vlad even existed in this timeline considering the sultanate would've probably led to different leaders than the Tsardom

  • @snaily_lunar
    @snaily_lunar Год назад +2

    I could’ve a wrote it was a different video you said you would do a part 2 for

  • @AjarTadpole7202
    @AjarTadpole7202 Год назад +1

    That was an ingenius advert!

  • @Dqrk1700
    @Dqrk1700 Год назад +3

    I'm sure by now you've heard of the infamous ChatGPT and all the rumors of AI becoming our robotic overlords by the year circa 3069 but coming back in into frame, I think it would be interesting if you had made say like a series where you input a simple alternate scenario and interpret the response and make that into a video?

  • @guillaumechevalier3368
    @guillaumechevalier3368 Год назад +14

    Fun fact: "the Monomachus' hat", as they call the crown of the Great-Prince of Moscow, looks quite similar to the crown of the Khan, as shown on Kazan coins.Theyjust added a cross on the top. This is quite symptomatic of how much Rus' borrowed from their former Asian overlords.
    Yes, a Protestant Novgorod close to Germany and Scandinavia is quite probable!
    About Poland, I'd see its binational republic evolving in a federation of three entities, the third one being Ukraine.
    And about the shi'a/sunni schism, in spite of Persian influence, all the Turcic emirates stayed Sunni, with a multitude of Sufic sects, so I guess the emirate of Moscow would be the same.

  • @datrandom134
    @datrandom134 Год назад

    The ad at the end is golden. Truly greatness

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Год назад +2

    Very interesting so far! keep it up!

  • @thegreatestchigone5813
    @thegreatestchigone5813 Год назад +13

    What if Mary Queen of Scots had son with the King of France resulting in a King of England, Ireland, Scotland and France.

    • @thegreatestchigone5813
      @thegreatestchigone5813 Год назад +1

      Since Henry VIII Wales was part of England (this is why Wales isn’t on the flag)

  • @TheMonkeystick
    @TheMonkeystick Год назад +3

    Thank you for inspiring my next EU4 campaign, Cody!

  • @noahlogue
    @noahlogue Год назад

    Really good video.

  • @Talex-jb8bp
    @Talex-jb8bp Год назад

    Literally the best outro I think I’ve ever seen

  • @storms_lair2123
    @storms_lair2123 Год назад +5

    He finally made a 2nd one

  • @johnclifford1840
    @johnclifford1840 Год назад +16

    Has anyone ever heard of the Chinese Admiral, Zheng He? This isn’t relevant to this video but he explored everything from Eastern Africa to China and right as China became isolationist, he was petitioning to go around the Horn of Africa or cross the pacific and he was denied because of the new Chinese regime and this was all decades before Columbus? Can we get an alternate history video on “what if China didn’t become isolationist” featuring Zeng He!!!

  • @theshenpartei
    @theshenpartei Год назад +1

    Yes part 2 awesome

  • @Rano-ru7cd
    @Rano-ru7cd Год назад +1

    Hey cody you should look at Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade since it's a pretty interesting alternate timeline

  • @donatogressbautista4843
    @donatogressbautista4843 Год назад +3

    Good video Cody. Now that you've finished this scenario, how about this one? Since the Walt Disney company is going to celebrate its 100th anniversary, how do you try this for a future video of yours, "What if Walter Elias Disney didn't die in 1966"?

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero Год назад +1

      he died in 1967 instead! Frankly, there wouldn't be much of a difference, he was not really involved in movies at that point and preffered imagining Epcot which probably wouldn't have worked anyway.

  • @Felipe_XIV-XVI
    @Felipe_XIV-XVI Год назад +4

    Let's not forget the "reign" of the Rashidun Sultanate -because the Sultan in Cairo still recognized Aleppo as The Caliph- which was defeated & annexed by the Sublime Porte. It was not necessarily "Al-Musku" & the Sublime Porte against Poland and the Habsburgs, even if they were both Sunni.

    • @user-dr7ru8pm3d
      @user-dr7ru8pm3d Год назад +1

      u mean The Rashidun caliphate, because the caliph is the leader of all Muslims, not just a sultan.

  • @thegamingallosaurus7281
    @thegamingallosaurus7281 Год назад +2

    Love the sponsorships.

  • @aidanbarrett9313
    @aidanbarrett9313 Год назад +1

    Remarkably majestic shots.

  • @im_theodore
    @im_theodore Год назад +9

    Now I need a stronger Poland episode

  • @JoeShmoe102
    @JoeShmoe102 Год назад +5

    The Luther Rose was the last thing I expected to see in this thumbnail lol

    • @GG-43
      @GG-43 Год назад

      /joke
      lutheranism is the TRUE way of islam inshallah
      /joke

  • @charmyzard
    @charmyzard Год назад +2

    The floating Cody sponsor head case lore thickens further.

  • @TunaSampaio
    @TunaSampaio Год назад

    I was dieng for part two!

  • @Veriox22
    @Veriox22 Год назад +4

    Just came and there are already people saying how awesome the video is... 1 minute after upload.

  • @atollus3791
    @atollus3791 Год назад +6

    I hope Jimmy enjoys his time in the Philippines

  • @Psd863
    @Psd863 Год назад +1

    2 videos in one month? Cody, you're applying us!

  • @1001airstrikes
    @1001airstrikes Год назад +2

    Bro that sponsorship was hilarious!

  • @Permskiykrai
    @Permskiykrai 7 месяцев назад +3

    There are two Novgorods in Russia and all the videos with the city are from the wrong one

  • @alexandersarchives9615
    @alexandersarchives9615 Год назад +4

    Just gonna throw this out there, but one other thing I think could happen in this scenario is the Teutonic Order ends up packing up and moving into Livonia. I mean, in our timeline the Teutonic Knights came into Prussia and Livonia specifically to fight the Pagan Livs, Lets, Samagallians, etc. and later also the city of Novgorod. In our timeline, the conversion of Lithuania to Catholicism kinda hits the Teutonic Order in Prussia hard cuz, well, their whole purpose there was to fight the pagans, who are now Christian. This is further exasperated following the Battle of Tannenburg and later the 13 Years War. So what I’m saying is maybe, just maybe, the Teutonic Order adapts to this shift and moves it’s headquarters from Marienburg to Riga as the new center for crusading activities… possibly this takes place after they lose Marienburg in the 13 Years war (instead of moving to Königsberg like in our timeline). Possibly they just immediately accept Lithuania’s conversion to Catholicism in the 1380’s and somehow maintain friendly relations with Poland and Lithuania (a bit far fetched, but maybe).
    You know, this whole scenario is just kinda fun to play around with.

  • @Thatanticapitalist
    @Thatanticapitalist Год назад

    I was thirsty for this second part

  • @alphagamer9505
    @alphagamer9505 Год назад

    Keeping making part 2 of videos

  • @samanthapeyton2753
    @samanthapeyton2753 Год назад +32

    Tbh I was way more interested in hearing about how things were going to be past the Urals

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 Год назад

      Agreed

    • @slaviansky
      @slaviansky Год назад +7

      Probably more Islam in China and Japan given how well it spreads

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero Год назад +2

      the sakhas and tuvans would be free!

    • @Trotilov14-88
      @Trotilov14-88 Год назад

      ​@@Game_Hero they are already free

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero Год назад +1

      @@Trotilov14-88 Like, really free, sovereign nations.

  • @projekttaku1
    @projekttaku1 Год назад +5

    I would like a video on japan becoming muslim.
    "In the late Meiji period, close relations were forged between Japanese military elites with an Asianist agenda and Muslims to find a common cause with those suffering under the yoke of Western hegemony. In 1906, widespread propaganda campaigns were aimed at Muslim nations with journals reporting that a Congress of religions was to be held in Japan where the Japanese would seriously consider adopting Islam as the national religion and that the Emperor was at the point of becoming a Muslim"

  • @JustArt0
    @JustArt0 Год назад

    Jolly good show.

  • @nataleestone4405
    @nataleestone4405 Год назад +1

    Man released 3 videos in a month this is epic

  • @johnstanczyk4030
    @johnstanczyk4030 Год назад +5

    So, you are telling me Poland CAN into space?!

  • @brickcraftproductions3065
    @brickcraftproductions3065 Год назад +8

    I wonder if you'll do one on the Yugoslavia never breaking up, or the Great Recession never Happening

    • @Captain_Ender
      @Captain_Ender Год назад

      That would be good yeah!

    • @rezajafari6395
      @rezajafari6395 Год назад +2

      Hm. I think one consequence of Yugoslavia never breaking up (assuming that Milošević is out of the picture) is a much more pro-Western Russia. The NATO bombing of Serbia was very unpopular in Russia and pushed it towards greater anti-Americanism. So we would likely either have a Russia that is still democratic, or if we are going to see it slip back into authoritarianism, it would probably be very different - much more aligned with the West, something along the lines of the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos.

    • @EastGermany-pc2lw
      @EastGermany-pc2lw Год назад +3

      for the second one, its impossible. thats how capitalism works

    • @Juan-qu4oj
      @Juan-qu4oj Год назад

      It would probably be Pro-Russia and a Chinese ally today

    • @Juan-qu4oj
      @Juan-qu4oj Год назад +2

      @@rezajafari6395 the NATO bombings could still happen because the Yugoslav Wars can still happen but Yugoslavia (Serbia) would just have to win.

  • @mattwilson3516
    @mattwilson3516 Год назад

    This is probably the channel with the best sponsor adds

  • @theromanorder
    @theromanorder Год назад

    U should be able to do this very esaly with your research u did for this video...
    Can u do a history video on what happened in our timeline.. may just be a 10-15 minute video because your so good at summarizing

  • @DarDarBinks1986
    @DarDarBinks1986 Год назад +9

    I'd like to see an expansion on what if the Norse hadn't called it quits on Canada. A Norse/Algonquian nation-state starting up during the Middle Ages would be very interesting to see, and it could conceivably have happened had the Norse not left Canada. Ditto the ripple effects that such a settlement and country could have had on other Amerindian polities. The tribes could have easily adopted ironworking from the Norse and perhaps horses and other Old World livestock as well. And how would such a country play out in matters of world affairs?
    Ditto if the Nordic countries had stayed pagan instead of adopting Christianity. What if the Norse never converted to Christianity but instead kept worshiping Odin, Thor, Freyja, and them?

    • @nwefie_
      @nwefie_ Год назад +1

      or if the norse kept paegenism

  • @rimmer123q8
    @rimmer123q8 Год назад +5

    im a simple man. When althisthub uploads i dro everything im doin and watches the video.

  • @anticoluomo
    @anticoluomo Год назад

    this video is so interesting

  • @andrescneira1568
    @andrescneira1568 Год назад

    Best sponsor cut EVER