I remember watching you every year around Christmas time since I was 13 years old. I love how you haven't changed a bit and I still get the same nostalgic feel every time I watch one of your videos. They remind me of family and the holidays, and putting track together under the tree.
That MTH UP Coal Turbine is one of my favorite model trains you’ve reviewed! I really like the design of both the model and real #80/#8080 coal turbine despite the real one not being very successful. Even if I wish the UP #80 coal turbine had a better life and didn’t have its issues, this review of its model by MTH really makes up for it! Also, this is the first time I’ve seen you’re new outro and I really like that as well! I look forward to commenting on some more great review videos made by you soon. -Alik
Another great review Eric ! I hope that someone buys the MTH shop, it put out many great pieces that Lionel doesn’t, it will be a great shame if it goes away, and a loss to our hobby
@@douglasskaalrud6865 I'd argue it still is, but it can be done on a budget too if you're willing to put in the effort. Instead of command control, stay with analog, particularly on a smaller layout (you can always upgrade later). Instead of brand new, buy older models used or new old stock. Instead of a giant complicated layout, go with something more modest at first and build it up over time.
Shipwright1918 Hee, hee. I’m a custom painter (HO) and I’m up to almost 120 diesels now, ten steamers and even a Milwaukee Road Bi-polar electric. . My problem is that I look at a photo in Diesel Era and there’s my next project. So many great locomotives and I’m starting to run out of time. Ah well, it’s a great hobby and I’ve had a lot of fun with it. I could sell ‘em but I’m going to find some kids starting out in the hobby and make their day.
Wow Eric another spectacular review 👌! This is really cool. I’m more of a Lionel person, but I occasionally purchase MTH rolling stock. I personally love things that have ‘weight’ to them per say. And looks like this is the right spot lol
Nice! I have their old Premier PS1 UP Gas Turbine, and yeah, it's a beast, especially with the die-cast tender. I was roundly made fun of at a model train meetup for even mentioning it by an old-timer who declared that of course, all O-scalers had to go and buy the biggest locomotive around! :D
We just purchased a previously owned set of this engine, unboxing and run session very soon on our channel. Not sure I like those turbine scratchy sound files, but I love the union pacific railroad units. I'm thinking of adding a better speaker. Gary
Once again, another great review Eric! I must say, this locomotive is a freakin' behemoth! I'd love to have one, but my layout would freakin' crumble if I tried to run one.
Very nice locomotive - looks fantastic on your pike. I always felt this or the GTEL Big Blow turbine would make for the opportune candidate(s) for Lionel’s Vision Line.
A curious question for you Eric. I noticed on the B unit that it has a 5 chime air horn. But, you only hear the single chime horns on the lead unit. Do you know why that there is no horn sounds from the B unit. Another great video and a beautiful unit.
You should try to find a Pheobe Snow it was a passenger train that ran from Hoboken, Nj through Scranton, Pa then to Buffalo,Ny it ran from 1949 to about 1970 my dad had one and i also have some engines like it and it is very nice
I wonder if the reason for the unique coupling system (the "v-grooves") is because a standard O-gauge knuckle coupler wouldn't be strong enough to keep the units together when you first start moving? You mentioned that they weigh 18 #, so it would take some force to overcome the inertia of the units and get them rolling.
For the first and second ones you listed, he was referring to Alco-GE, a partnership between the two companies that lasted from 1940 to 1953, when it was dissolved. This partnership was that Alco supplied the locomotive bodies and prime movers while GE supplied the electrical gear. GE dissolved this partnership to develop and build their own locomotives.
@@acelafan-mn4ub Alco used GE electrical equipment for all of their diesel locos. Right after the company closed the Schenectady plant, they sold their locomotive design rights to MLW - Montreal Locomotive Works, and their engine production rights to White Motor Corp, in 1969.
If I was in charge of the sound files for this model, I’d make an alternate startup sound file that would play off the prototype’s unreliability: the ALCo engine starts up but then dies and a person says, “hang on, let me get this wrench.” You hear a loud WHACK and the engine starts up just fine. The person says “There we go, much better.”
Are there any versions of this model in HO scale? That way it seems more possible to assemble historically, accurately long trains may be up to a mile long which in HO scale is at least 60 feet long from what I know.
Not sure if you realize, but the early MTH PS2 engines with 5 volt boards (as opposed to the new 3 volt boards) tend to have more bass presence and just overall louder sounds. On 2 steam locomotives I have from the year 2000, the smoke, sounds, and lights and brighter and fuller. Especially compared to a newer 2005 engine I have with a 3 volt board. Problem was, the boards were prone to failure and as such, I have had 2 board failures and used 5 volt boards from donor locomotives to fix them which is likely why they stopped producing the 5 volt boards. It might just be an issue of not pushing the equipment to the limit to prevent failure. Either way, I would agree with your take on the sounds needing improvement.
I just got this set today and I’m pretty annoyed by the fact that the coupling system is so stupid as it *requires* you to place the turbine unit in the middle. I just wanted to couple the tender to the PA, but the PA and the tender have the “pins” while the turbine unit has the latches. Looks like I’ll have to modify the PA to have a latch coupled that can be swapped out with the “pin”.
I would have to wonder why a avgas/diesel hybrid hadn't of been used because theat would of been a need if you were trying to develop a jet based thrust system
Ok, maybe I am missing something. It's a coal turbine, but where is the coal? I don't see it on the tender or the B unit, so how does it work? Googled it and found nothing. Not even Wikipedia?
They should apply that semi-permanent coupling style to steamer tenders. That would be much more convenient than lifting up the rear of the engine to slide the drawbar pin in.
I know what you mean about the sound. I have a Lionel Legacy Sharknose ABBA set that has sound coming out of the front engine only. The rest are very noticeably silent.
Big Boy 4014: I'm the BIGGEST locomotive ever! #80: Bruh! Might wanna get those eyes checked! Big Boy 4014: Pffft! Now why would I do that? You're just an PA-1. #80: *rolls slowly forward revealing the rest of himself and smirks* JUST a PA-1? Big Boy 4014: *jaw drops* I just HAD to make that verbal exchange for this! That engine was just BEGGING for it! An amazing engine the #80, but I'd rather stick with Mister 4014.
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Could this be the largest locomotive from coupler to coupler even though it was experimental coal turbine 80 feels love like it holds that title as largest locomotive ever
Kind of ridiculous to think that this absolute beast of an engine developed less power than the DB class 146 in the background. Though it obviously excelled in tractive effort.
Eric, I got a new MTH PS3 SD70ACE, but for some Reason it wont run with DCS, only conventional. I'm not sure why it does this, If you have Any idea what it could be, please let me know, Thanks.
The Baldwin Centipedes, The DD series locomotives and The UP 8500 Turbines. Would walk all over the Big Boys. I love the big boys as much as the next guy but diesels are superior in maintenance and fuel economy. And the turbines were intended for the same route as the big boys. And they made a ton of smoke and soot. The Baldwin Centipede had a stupid amount of tractive effort for its day, but was plagued with mechanical teething problems. And that is why the UP canceled the order for the Centipedes.
I have wondered if modern, gas or coal turbine units could be developed using 21st century technology. We will never know as long as it remains cost effective for the railroads to continue using diesel-electrics in multi-unit lashups.
Well, the turbine seems to put out considerable smoke for a three rail o-gauge locomotive, just like the prototype? Well not quite, Even so, without good ventilation, I'm sure your train room would get quite smoky. Still, an always impressive locomotive in any scale.
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That intro was amazing! "a locomotive that makes the Big boy look like a little girl." Just gold!
@Idris Ronin you guys are a scam
I also really like how the second unit is see-through. It looks so interesting seeing inside it
Find a video of the prototype under power, absolutely wild-looking, and sounding...
I remember watching you every year around Christmas time since I was 13 years old. I love how you haven't changed a bit and I still get the same nostalgic feel every time I watch one of your videos. They remind me of family and the holidays, and putting track together under the tree.
Thank you!
That is one unique locomotive. I loved watching your cat observing the moving train.
"A locomotive that makes the Big Boy look like a little girl" Classic! XD
That MTH UP Coal Turbine is one of my favorite model trains you’ve reviewed! I really like the design of both the model and real #80/#8080 coal turbine despite the real one not being very successful. Even if I wish the UP #80 coal turbine had a better life and didn’t have its issues, this review of its model by MTH really makes up for it!
Also, this is the first time I’ve seen you’re new outro and I really like that as well! I look forward to commenting on some more great review videos made by you soon.
-Alik
Another great review Eric ! I hope that someone buys the MTH shop, it put out many great pieces that Lionel doesn’t, it will be a great shame if it goes away, and a loss to our hobby
Ja-heezus, that's a big engine. My eyeballs say yes, but my wallet and my layout curves say no.
It used to be a rich man's hobby.
@@douglasskaalrud6865
I'd argue it still is, but it can be done on a budget too if you're willing to put in the effort.
Instead of command control, stay with analog, particularly on a smaller layout (you can always upgrade later). Instead of brand new, buy older models used or new old stock. Instead of a giant complicated layout, go with something more modest at first and build it up over time.
Shipwright1918 Hee, hee. I’m a custom painter (HO) and I’m up to almost 120 diesels now, ten steamers and even a Milwaukee Road Bi-polar electric. . My problem is that I look at a photo in Diesel Era and there’s my next project. So many great locomotives and I’m starting to run out of time. Ah well, it’s a great hobby and I’ve had a lot of fun with it. I could sell ‘em but I’m going to find some kids starting out in the hobby and make their day.
That thing is a beast! Wow never new they made a turbine that big, awsome video Eric.
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Wow! What a unique looking piece of equipment! Thanks for the great Review Eric!
That’s quite the interesting locomotive. You nail it spot on with how unique this thing looks. Thanks for the amazing review as always.
Not a train collector( however I have always wanted a Lionel since I was a kid) and you already have me laughing at 7 seconds
Very interesting and very long locomotive, looks great on those curves
That coal turbine locomotive looks AMAZING!
Number x-18 is at Illinois railway museum. I go every year
Must have been a beast in real life. And great model. Just subscribed. Really like the Bush funeral train too. Thanks for the video.
Wow Eric another spectacular review 👌! This is really cool. I’m more of a Lionel person, but I occasionally purchase MTH rolling stock. I personally love things that have ‘weight’ to them per say. And looks like this is the right spot lol
Nice! I have their old Premier PS1 UP Gas Turbine, and yeah, it's a beast, especially with the die-cast tender. I was roundly made fun of at a model train meetup for even mentioning it by an old-timer who declared that of course, all O-scalers had to go and buy the biggest locomotive around! :D
We just purchased a previously owned set of this engine, unboxing and run session very soon on our channel. Not sure I like those turbine scratchy sound files, but I love the union pacific railroad units. I'm thinking of adding a better speaker. Gary
Great video Eric! That's one awesome locomotive! Thanks for sharing! Have a great and awesome day!
Amazing model Eric!
Love you train reviews dude. Always a treat to watch.
The second unit after the locmotive seems to have its own horn
Once again, another great review Eric! I must say, this locomotive is a freakin' behemoth! I'd love to have one, but my layout would freakin' crumble if I tried to run one.
That's a lot of train, very cool, love the UP paint scheme.
So technically, this thing is the Erie/Virginian Triplex of diesel-electric locomotives.... Nice.
Triplexes would be 2-8-8-8-2/2-8-8-8-4 steam locomotives
@@barbaravecchio6654 yea I know that... I was referring to the size and sheer Bulk of the locomotive itself.
And the performance in service? Lol
@@mosaic6225 yea, that too... lol.
Very nice locomotive - looks fantastic on your pike. I always felt this or the GTEL Big Blow turbine would make for the opportune candidate(s) for Lionel’s Vision Line.
A curious question for you Eric. I noticed on the B unit that it has a 5 chime air horn. But, you only hear the single chime horns on the lead unit. Do you know why that there is no horn sounds from the B unit. Another great video and a beautiful unit.
You should try to find a Pheobe Snow it was a passenger train that ran from Hoboken, Nj through Scranton, Pa then to Buffalo,Ny it ran from 1949 to about 1970 my dad had one and i also have some engines like it and it is very nice
You did a great job weathering those freight cars!
I wonder if the reason for the unique coupling system (the "v-grooves") is because a standard O-gauge knuckle coupler wouldn't be strong enough to keep the units together when you first start moving? You mentioned that they weigh 18 #, so it would take some force to overcome the inertia of the units and get them rolling.
I love this train! This is new inspiration for me.
It's hard to believe this actually existed
1:11 “alco, GE, and General Electric” isn’t GE and General Electric the same thing?
For the first and second ones you listed, he was referring to Alco-GE, a partnership between the two companies that lasted from 1940 to 1953, when it was dissolved. This partnership was that Alco supplied the locomotive bodies and prime movers while GE supplied the electrical gear. GE dissolved this partnership to develop and build their own locomotives.
acelafan2009 ah ok
@@acelafan-mn4ub Alco used GE electrical equipment for all of their diesel locos. Right after the company closed the Schenectady plant, they sold their locomotive design rights to MLW - Montreal Locomotive Works, and their engine production rights to White Motor Corp, in 1969.
@@acelafan-mn4ub Just like AGEIR, a culmination of cooperation between ALCo, GE, and Ingersoll-Rand in the early days of diesel traction!
THAT'S WHAT I SAID!!!!
This is a very cool engine Eric! I now wish I had ordered one. :( Awesome Video!
Outstanding R.R. Noticed the Abrams tank train. The turrets should be turned towards the rear for transport.
Beautiful monster Eric! "Big Ups 👍from Chicago "Train Dawg"!
Love this review. Just picked one up for $485 new in the box.
Oh ive waited a while for this!!!! Great video!
Union Pacific is the coolest railroad in the world. They experimented with so many locomotive technologies...
This is my favorite locomotive
I always loved those silver UP trucks...
If I was in charge of the sound files for this model, I’d make an alternate startup sound file that would play off the prototype’s unreliability: the ALCo engine starts up but then dies and a person says, “hang on, let me get this wrench.” You hear a loud WHACK and the engine starts up just fine. The person says “There we go, much better.”
*Oh hey it’s the famous steam locomotive! The Little Girl?*
That was pretty funny..
Wow that is a big dinosaurs cat, just kidding. Beautiful layout and locomotive.
Love the video quality and your voice over is top-notch. But my wallet saw the set and it won't stop screaming lol.
Love your train videos. Why don’t you use your little spy camera from a train POV shots?
Just saw this bad boy at my hobby shop today. Little too big for me lol but now I kinda want it
Are there any versions of this model in HO scale? That way it seems more possible to assemble historically, accurately long trains may be up to a mile long which in HO scale is at least 60 feet long from what I know.
rypatmackrock I want to say yes, but I can’t be certain. I seek to recall seeing one somewhere.
ericstrains Neat. Thanks for letting me know as I was curious.
I love that little joke you made
I thought it would be a lot more than$1300. UP sure did things in a big way. I can't even comprehend this beast.
Not sure if you realize, but the early MTH PS2 engines with 5 volt boards (as opposed to the new 3 volt boards) tend to have more bass presence and just overall louder sounds. On 2 steam locomotives I have from the year 2000, the smoke, sounds, and lights and brighter and fuller. Especially compared to a newer 2005 engine I have with a 3 volt board. Problem was, the boards were prone to failure and as such, I have had 2 board failures and used 5 volt boards from donor locomotives to fix them which is likely why they stopped producing the 5 volt boards. It might just be an issue of not pushing the equipment to the limit to prevent failure. Either way, I would agree with your take on the sounds needing improvement.
I just got this set today and I’m pretty annoyed by the fact that the coupling system is so stupid as it *requires* you to place the turbine unit in the middle. I just wanted to couple the tender to the PA, but the PA and the tender have the “pins” while the turbine unit has the latches. Looks like I’ll have to modify the PA to have a latch coupled that can be swapped out with the “pin”.
I haven’t watched you in a long time
16:31 chessie!
16:32 Chessie XD
Big Boy little girl is crazy 😂
I love that Slug...Amazing!
How long was the real life coal turbine from coupler to coupler ?
Buy it then next year when MTH shuts down 2021 where do you go for help?
Eric, I have this unit. Can the clip couplings be changed out to the conventional ones?
No
What a beautiful train
What a gorgeous set!
Great review Eric!!!
Good afternoon Eric I like that locomotive it's very nice
I would have to wonder why a avgas/diesel hybrid hadn't of been used because theat would of been a need if you were trying to develop a jet based thrust system
Ok, maybe I am missing something. It's a coal turbine, but where is the coal? I don't see it on the tender or the B unit, so how does it work? Googled it and found nothing. Not even Wikipedia?
Very good review, Eric.
Hey! What is the DB Class 101 doing there?
Im a big fan of trains also i know the history of some but can you please make a video about the lionel vision atsf 3000 2-10-10-2 steam locomotive
Best early birthday gift EVER. (6 days)
They should apply that semi-permanent coupling style to steamer tenders. That would be much more convenient than lifting up the rear of the engine to slide the drawbar pin in.
I know what you mean about the sound. I have a Lionel Legacy Sharknose ABBA set that has sound coming out of the front engine only. The rest are very noticeably silent.
Big Boy 4014: I'm the BIGGEST locomotive ever!
#80: Bruh! Might wanna get those eyes checked!
Big Boy 4014: Pffft! Now why would I do that? You're just an PA-1.
#80: *rolls slowly forward revealing the rest of himself and smirks* JUST a PA-1?
Big Boy 4014: *jaw drops*
I just HAD to make that verbal exchange for this! That engine was just BEGGING for it! An amazing engine the #80, but I'd rather stick with Mister 4014.
I guess he got to "play with the big boys"!! Haha! Love your comment, It is illegally funny;)
I wish I was a millioner like Eric lol
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Could this be the largest locomotive from coupler to coupler even though it was experimental coal turbine 80 feels love like it holds that title as largest locomotive ever
Nice !!! I saw this in OGR
Chessie! Cheahh-saaayie! Look out its a train (and it’s..... the BIG one!)
Im not well versed in model trains. How is the exhaust smoke made?
A heating element burns a thin oil to make the smoke. It’s not unlike those oil diffusers that you can buy to make a room smell good.
@@Ericstrains Very intriguing and cool
DIY to add more speakers... can't you find a way to hide another speaker in the other cars?
You going to weather this one?
Yeah I might add another speaker myself at some point. Not sure about the weathering yet.
Kind of ridiculous to think that this absolute beast of an engine developed less power than the DB class 146 in the background. Though it obviously excelled in tractive effort.
Eric,
I got a new MTH PS3 SD70ACE, but for some Reason it wont run with DCS, only conventional.
I'm not sure why it does this,
If you have Any idea what it could be, please let me know, Thanks.
Perfect video, is it bluetooth compatible
No MTH locos don't have bluetooth on board.
@@Ericstrains well maybe they will in the future who knows
Sweet! Die-cast running about $350
Great video! 👍🏻
That would take up 20% of my layout.
It would take up the entire strait section of my outside track
That thing is massive!
The up big boy can never be beaten by any locomotive
The Baldwin Centipedes, The DD series locomotives and The UP 8500 Turbines. Would walk all over the Big Boys. I love the big boys as much as the next guy but diesels are superior in maintenance and fuel economy. And the turbines were intended for the same route as the big boys. And they made a ton of smoke and soot. The Baldwin Centipede had a stupid amount of tractive effort for its day, but was plagued with mechanical teething problems. And that is why the UP canceled the order for the Centipedes.
Great horn
What train whistle is that in your intro. Like what train does that come from
Was there a review for the steam engine at 21:25?
Tencents49 yes, that’s the Lionel Vision Line Big Boy
ericstrains The Big Boy clips came after the clip i time stamped
@@tencents49 Oh, sorry. That's the Lionel KCS 2-10-4. Here's the review: ruclips.net/video/5pSnyGi5AZQ/видео.html
What brand of track are you using?
Success Or Not, It Makes Me Wish The Real #80 Was Preserved Somewhere.
Impressive. Just impressive.
I think the sound on it sounds fine I don't think it needs a second
They are fine, I just think a 2nd speaker would have made them better.
WHAT A COAL TURBINE 🚆
I have wondered if modern, gas or coal turbine units could be developed using 21st century technology. We will never know as long as it remains cost effective for the railroads to continue using diesel-electrics in multi-unit lashups.
16:29 A CAT IS ON THE LAND-MAKED
You're the lucky one, I'm broke as hecK, AND IM INTO THE HOBBY AND I NEVER HAD A SINGEL ENGIEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, the turbine seems to put out considerable smoke for a three rail o-gauge locomotive, just like the prototype? Well not quite, Even so, without good ventilation, I'm sure your train room would get quite smoky. Still, an always impressive locomotive in any scale.
Love the intro