Wonderful lesson gentlemen! This was very helpful in clearing many ideas about heaven up in my mind. Believe it or not, I actually have difficulty desiring to go to heaven because I have never heard it explained so well. Previously I was essentially purely motivated by a Desire to escape hell, and heaven was just a byproduct of that. But thank you for giving me the information I have been searching and praying for so long!
I'm only halfway through the podcast, but you will get many Calvinists who say "Jesus forgave the thief on the cross, you don't have to be baptized to be saved". They err because the old law was still in effect. After Christ's death, a new covenant was ushered in. With all the scripture about Christ giving the great commission "Go, teaching and baptizing them in my name" and the backing scriptures on how to get to heaven, many are MISLEAD with "believe only" salvation messages. The proof text that many use is Matthew 26:28 when Jesus said "For this is the my blood of the covenant, which is poured our for many FOR the forgiveness of sins....". They say "see, His blood already forgave my sins". Wrong. The Greek word is "eis" which in the context and Greek definition is NOT "Because sins have been forgiven" but "In order that" sins may be forgiven. Keep up the good work men. They can call the lord's church a cult or a denomination, but when it all gets boiled down, we divide the word correctly and will not be ashamed at the last day. CJ
You guys are pretty close to explaining Heaven. No question there is lots of figurative language in the Bible for both Heaven and Hell. However, you totally left out the "new heaven and a new earth" in Chapter 22:1 of Revelation. This description is obviously figurative but the concept is not. Heaven will be a merging of a new Heaven and a new Earth for us to dwell with God forever. We will have a new body to live on a new earth. Just like the garden (paradise). You did hit the most important aspect of Heaven which is God's presence. Just as Adam and Eve got to experience God's complete presence in the beginning, we will get to look upon the face of God in the end. The description of the New Jerusalem is also figurative but the concept is not. "Look! God's new dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them." We can agree that it will be beyond our wildest dreams. At the same time, folks who don't make it to heaven are not going to be happy campers. Are they going to be tortured by God with fire and brimstone? Is that also figurative? Most likely. The main point is that God will not be there. He will totally remove and separate Himself from those people. His complete and total presence will not be there. That is Hell. Thank you Jesus from saving us from that place and experience. * Recommended reading. The Presence of God by J. Ryan Lister
Thanks for watching Cindy! We know many people believe that. We have studied it and respectfully do not believe that to be the case. It is possible we could be wrong. It has happened before :). All our wives would attest to that haha. Here is a link to where we are currently on our understanding.christiancourier.com/articles/will-heaven-be-on-earth We would also recommend reading "New Heavens and New Earth" by Drew Leonard. I will try to add that book to my reading list as well! Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. We appreciate you!
I wouldn't be too freaked out about eternity lasting forever. Time is part of our physical universe, its directly related to mass and matter. The physical universe is going to be destroyed, which would include time going with it. Eternity might not be lots and lots of time, but instead time as we know it just no longer existing. Not something we can even comprehend, so that helps me not worry about having "too much" time.
Hey guys, thanks for this. I've been having a really hard time lately--the past year actually. A war between my ears as you might think of it. Metropolis, I happen to be a person who's a bit of an expert on this so I'll help you out 😁❤ (Help from wiki on spelling) The Ancient Greek word μητρο- (mētro-), has its origin in μήτηρ (mḗtēr or “mother”). To be specific it, μήτρα (mḗtra), can also be taken to mean "uterus". Polis/poleis (πόλις pólis) does indeed mean "city", so when you put the two together a good translation would be "mother city" or "birthed city" if you use that second form; the place where you came from as from a womb. Greeks were very tied to their polis. Other uses include acro-polis ("high-city"), Kōnstantinoú-polis ("city of Constantine"), amphí-polis (“around the city"), etc. I think my favorite is Ἱεράκων πόλις for Hierakon-polis ("hawk city" or city of the hawk). Fun to say 😀 and a great sports team name too, think of the mascots alone 🤣 the hierakon polis hawks! 📣
Hey Sandy! The King of Tyre is who is being addressed in Ezekiel 28. Some of the language used to describe him is figurative and thus many think it is taking language from Satan and his fall and applying it to the king of Tyre to say just as Satan was prideful, arrogant, and fell, so the King of Tyre is prideful, arrogant, and will fall also.
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Great discussion!
Heaven is gonna be so awesome 😇
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Wonderful lesson gentlemen! This was very helpful in clearing many ideas about heaven up in my mind. Believe it or not, I actually have difficulty desiring to go to heaven because I have never heard it explained so well. Previously I was essentially purely motivated by a Desire to escape hell, and heaven was just a byproduct of that. But thank you for giving me the information I have been searching and praying for so long!
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I'm only halfway through the podcast, but you will get many Calvinists who say "Jesus forgave the thief on the cross, you don't have to be baptized to be saved". They err because the old law was still in effect. After Christ's death, a new covenant was ushered in. With all the scripture about Christ giving the great commission "Go, teaching and baptizing them in my name" and the backing scriptures on how to get to heaven, many are MISLEAD with "believe only" salvation messages. The proof text that many use is Matthew 26:28 when Jesus said "For this is the my blood of the covenant, which is poured our for many FOR the forgiveness of sins....". They say "see, His blood already forgave my sins". Wrong. The Greek word is "eis" which in the context and Greek definition is NOT "Because sins have been forgiven" but "In order that" sins may be forgiven. Keep up the good work men. They can call the lord's church a cult or a denomination, but when it all gets boiled down, we divide the word correctly and will not be ashamed at the last day. CJ
Absolutely CJ. Well stated
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We have a book that tell us all we need to know about heaven & all we can understand at this time.
Amen!
where is link for revelation classes at south haven?
Hey Gerry! Here it is! ruclips.net/p/PL721YUYONBnvUC8bskP4c4eRsVLggcHl8
You guys are pretty close to explaining Heaven. No question there is lots of figurative language in the Bible for both Heaven and Hell. However, you totally left out the "new heaven and a new earth" in Chapter 22:1 of Revelation. This description is obviously figurative but the concept is not. Heaven will be a merging of a new Heaven and a new Earth for us to dwell with God forever. We will have a new body to live on a new earth. Just like the garden (paradise). You did hit the most important aspect of Heaven which is God's presence. Just as Adam and Eve got to experience God's complete presence in the beginning, we will get to look upon the face of God in the end. The description of the New Jerusalem is also figurative but the concept is not. "Look! God's new dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them." We can agree that it will be beyond our wildest dreams. At the same time, folks who don't make it to heaven are not going to be happy campers. Are they going to be tortured by God with fire and brimstone? Is that also figurative? Most likely. The main point is that God will not be there. He will totally remove and separate Himself from those people. His complete and total presence will not be there. That is Hell. Thank you Jesus from saving us from that place and experience.
* Recommended reading. The Presence of God by J. Ryan Lister
Thanks for watching Cindy! We know many people believe that. We have studied it and respectfully do not believe that to be the case. It is possible we could be wrong. It has happened before :). All our wives would attest to that haha. Here is a link to where we are currently on our understanding.christiancourier.com/articles/will-heaven-be-on-earth We would also recommend reading "New Heavens and New Earth" by Drew Leonard. I will try to add that book to my reading list as well! Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. We appreciate you!
A remnant the Word says will go and few of them will be "believers." Wow!!
I wouldn't be too freaked out about eternity lasting forever. Time is part of our physical universe, its directly related to mass and matter. The physical universe is going to be destroyed, which would include time going with it. Eternity might not be lots and lots of time, but instead time as we know it just no longer existing. Not something we can even comprehend, so that helps me not worry about having "too much" time.
Abraham lived possibly to 140. Sarah lived 127 years and she is the only woman to have her age recorded
Hey guys, thanks for this. I've been having a really hard time lately--the past year actually. A war between my ears as you might think of it.
Metropolis, I happen to be a person who's a bit of an expert on this so I'll help you out 😁❤
(Help from wiki on spelling)
The Ancient Greek word μητρο- (mētro-), has its origin in μήτηρ (mḗtēr or “mother”). To be specific it, μήτρα (mḗtra), can also be taken to mean "uterus".
Polis/poleis (πόλις pólis) does indeed mean "city", so when you put the two together a good translation would be "mother city" or "birthed city" if you use that second form; the place where you came from as from a womb. Greeks were very tied to their polis.
Other uses include acro-polis ("high-city"), Kōnstantinoú-polis ("city of Constantine"), amphí-polis (“around the city"), etc.
I think my favorite is Ἱεράκων πόλις for Hierakon-polis ("hawk city" or city of the hawk). Fun to say 😀 and a great sports team name too, think of the mascots alone 🤣 the hierakon polis hawks! 📣
Aaron says "like" like a lot
He's a Millenial :)
The earth was made for mankind & that’s where I think I’ll be
Would’ve liked to have learned more about Malachi, but y’all went all over the Bible about other things
Was he calling Satan the king of Tyra?? Wasn’t Tyra an exceptionally wicked place??
Hey Sandy! The King of Tyre is who is being addressed in Ezekiel 28. Some of the language used to describe him is figurative and thus many think it is taking language from Satan and his fall and applying it to the king of Tyre to say just as Satan was prideful, arrogant, and fell, so the King of Tyre is prideful, arrogant, and will fall also.
Amen!