Her biggest downfall is her complete and utter lack of education on any topic she speaks on. It’s okay to look past religion sometimes to inform and educate yourself on different topics. Either she needs to educate herself, or just not speak on things she doesn’t understand.
Yeah like it’s fine to say “I don’t know enough about this to speak on it so -“ and people would respect her a lot more than just poppin off with whatever lol
I agree 100%!! Haley seems to be creating her own views as claiming it to be from the Bible when in reality, it's not. She believes that she knows everything but she doesn't.
Agree. Or if she doesn’t know enough to speak on some topics, she could’ve just used her platform to amplify the voices of people who have more knowledge than her
I agree. The internet is free, and there are millions of credible sources out there that cover every topic imaginable, yet she makes one google search, skims the top result, and then tries to preach wrong and inaccurate information. The Greece video was a big red flag about her lack of education, and then the birth control video. It’s not hard to dedicate some time to learning about something as important as birth control and women’s health. Her “girl talk” style of video really bothered me, there was so much wrong information being spread, and younger viewers don’t tend to go out and research on their own. I can’t even describe the type of person she’s become, but something about it seems fishy.
ironically, she's exactly the type of person that would benefit from going to college, having a conventional job and travelling the world for reasons other than insta photo-ops and aesthetics.
couldn’t agree more. i think she’s clearly an intelligent woman (regardless of many mistakes) and would thrive off of a critical thinking job/career. i’m totally for people not going to college if that isn’t for them, but i see a girl with a lot of potential and a very bright future if she took that path.
I was so confused when she dropped out/ was expelled out of hs just few months I think(?) before graduating. She talked for years about going to college, dancing and then just bum! She dropped everything and became this weird I’m more mature than I/Instagram for life/Pinterest is the only way kind of fusion.
As a Christian myself, nothing irritates me more than judgmental Christians. Our job isn't to make people feel bad about not living the way we do. Our job is to love people regardless of their life choices and beliefs. God doesn't see any of us as better than another, if we live the way he wants. As imperfect beings, we have no place or authority to condemn people for anything. Waiting or not waiting, diseases are not a punishment, it's just life.
@Vanessa Gs of course he doesn’t, but it’s not our job to make people feel judged for that. Our job is to live as Christ did. Christ didn’t judge, he loved.
@Vanessa Gs sounds like something you say when you're the one doing the judging. Be honest with yourself and don't hide behind God's name when you can't find enough love in your heart for another human being.
It's so fascinating to me how seemingly "down to earth, relatable, kind" teenage girls who start out on youtube turn into such selfish, immature, hugely out of touch older teenage girls when they gain some type of success. I can't wrap my head around the stark transformation
This explains Tana Mongeau to a T! She used to make story time videos in her bedroom in her parent's house and now she's so full of herself it's disgusting!
Not to defend her actions (like pandemic wedding) but garnering so much attention and new found wealth at such a young age when you're trying to figure yourself out can definitely lead to an inflated ego and out of touch mindset. I can understand how she'd end up that way, especially if the people around her are fostering that attitude and not helping to ground her.
Something about Haley Pham is so interesting to me. She's like the embodiment of what happens when your childhood ends too soon. I think people sometimes forget that she's been the main source of income for her family since she was a literal child, and she's been financially supporting her mom since her parents got divorced. She takes a lot of pride in the fact that she was able to do so, but she's acknowledged that she feels a lot of pressure to make money to support her mom. I see someone who took on this "breadwinner" position too soon and lost a lot of her childhood. She didn't have normal teenage years where she could just fuck around and do whatever; everything she did had to make money. She lost a lot of freedom and I think it shows now that she's an adult because you can tell she's not really mature. She's very immature but is desperate to seem like an adult since she missed all those normal teen years. I think it also explains how she changes her "identity" so often because she's chasing whatever persona is going to be most profitable. She's messy, but something about her story is so fascinating to me.
This made me think how like I stopped watching her videos because I kept losing the vibe and I guess this gives me more idea as to why I watched and then stopped cause she was constantly changing and your right I saw that huge maturity in her compared to other RUclipsrs of hers age
maybe it’s just me but i find getting married young so you can have sex because of purity culture to be extremely irresponsible, wearing condoms is more responsible than a ring.
getting married young and wanting to wait for marriage isn’t irresponsible at all. im not a Haley stan or anything but she’s said multiple times that she doesn’t believe in purity culture even though she’s a Christian.
The thing that I hate the most about Haley is her raging hypocrisy. She uses purity culture to her advantage so that she can glorify herself and shame other women in the process. All while picking and choosing which aspects of purity culture she herself wants to follow.
As someone that grew up in a very Christian space, I think what she was saying about the STD was really lost in her poor communication. Those spaces really imbed that the only way you can avoid STDS and unwanted pregnancy is through abstinence and celibacy. So when you put so much energy and effort into trying to avoid it by doing the “right thing” it feels like a slap in the face because maybe you could have been having sex this whole time and it wouldn’t have mattered. It’s kinda like the set up in Jane the Virgin, where she put so much emotional energy in staying celibate because of the religious aspect but also so she wouldn’t end up like her mom. I don’t think she was trying to shame other people or be like a pick me girl, but that’s just my personal take. I also don’t really know anyone that participates in purity culture/strict religious adherence that doesn’t pick and choose a little (you’d go absolutely mad if you didn’t). But again personal takes just from like being the same age as her in relatively similar communities and also being veeeerrry familiar with the way my peers say dumb things like this 😂 Edit: if she made other more directly disparaging remarks about “impure woman” than that definitely is not okay/something to empathize with. I tapped out as a subscriber like two weeks before the std video, so I haven’t seen much since then.
It wasn’t mentioned, but one of the things that lost her a lot of long time fans was dropping out of high school in December 2018. Basically, her school suspended her for filming during class or something, and she decided to just drop out completely with only one semester left. This annoyed a lot of people bc a) just a really dumb decision when you only have 5 months left b) lots of her earlier content was about studying and now she just decided to ditch all of it bc she was gaining traction online and c) she got into the same “school doesn’t matter, just hustle and you’ll be good” mindset as her bf Ryan Trahan. Ryan himself was obnoxious for this bc he’d dropped out of college due to a conflict between his business and his track involvement, and he never shut up again about how college is stupid and useless bc he was making so much money by dropping out. Like yeah college isn’t for everyone, but you already had a rising business and a growing online presence when you dropped out. It felt like he imparted that chip on his shoulder abt being a successful drop-out to Haley, when dropping out of HS is way different than dropping out of college.
i ALWAYS wondered this and never got a clear answer form hayley. since she dropped out so soon before she finished, does she had a diploma/equivalent or not?? like especially if you were SO close, my mom would kill me if i did that when i had such little time left to finish
@@bbypinkcherry I was a senior in high school at the same time as her and stopped watching when she said she was dropping out. I was working hard to graduate while she was making so much money through her popularity on RUclips and had the privilege to throw that all away. I think it was partially Ryan's influence that made her think it was okay to not finish school but also out of spite from being suspended and losing her spot in the honor's society. In her dropping out video, she talked about how she didn't even want to be a part of the honor's society to begin with but before that, she would talk about her academic achievements with pride.
Yes! That’s why I quit watching her. It’s her choice to do that but I just couldn’t get behind that, coupled with the fact that I wasn’t really invested in her content anymore.
Haley Pham is what happens when you let an 18-year-old be an 18-year-old, but give the millions of dollars to spend and millions of people to watch it all unfold.
I think that’s why Emma chamberlain didn’t lose fame because she stayed relatable even though she bought a 3 million dollar house with Louis bags and such. She stayed true to her personality even through the fame and money. edit- WTF?? I never have gotten this many likes Thank you!
yeah cause there was also a good almost year where so many people bashed her and bashed people who took in her personality a bit. the fact that, that didn’t discourage her cause it’s just her personality is kinda admirable
@Peachie c I just got to know her last february and got informed of her past. She didn't really have any MAJOR backlash but owned up to her mistakes. Also, her podcast is amazing. You can really see how humble and self-aware she is
I honestly felt quite bad for her when her parents divorced and she became the financial provider for her mum. I remember her video talking about it and was quite upsetting to witness. However, after that everything just went downhill. She started to become obsessed with views/money and she became so caught up in herself that she started to lose sight of who she was at her core. And then the religious thing came into it and it was just a whole other level of out of touch.
I agree. People are being so hard on Haley but she was literally a kid trying to provide for her mother and grew up too fast. I'm not a fan but I think people should have a little more empathy.
what confuses me about Haley Pham is how she is so open and pushes for normalization of periods and puberty but is so critical of birth control. it really makes her seem like such a hypocrite.
I think she is held back by purity culture. she could probably do well with hearing some progressive Christian opinions so that she doesn’t feel dissonance between her religion and her secular views
@@trishspage progresives Christians aren't Christians. Real Christians doesn't practice "cherry picking" which is choosing what you like and what you don't like about the bible. The bible is a Holy book, you choose to be Christian or not. But in the middle it don't work, is called being lukewarm, and it says the God prefer someone cold or hot but not lukewarm cuz they will be spitted out of mouths
whenever ryan is mentioned as being a bad influence to haley, it just reminds me of how different he used to be when he was a commentary channel poking fun at silly things on the internet. idk what happened from then to now, but he suddenly became a david dobrik lite after he got a taste of fame. it's sad that a similar change has been seen in haley and that ryan is likely partially responsible for that change.
honestly, i think that they were negative influences on each other. i watched both of them before they started dating, and after they met both of their content started changing a lot. haley has a kind of "holier than thou" approach to life and i think she's kind of putting that on ryan as well. their hustle mentalities only grow and feed into one another as they hype each other up and start all of these projects together. their relationships seems very based on productivity and money-making (i don't know them personally and these are just my observations) which makes me worried about the marriage 😬 and their content overall. i can't watch either of them anymore :'(
I know!! I really miss his older content, he seemed like such a genuine sweet guy doing what he loved. His video with Danny is still one of my comfort videos lol. Now I feel like he’s just following trends to generate the most views or money, and it’s sort of heartbreaking.
Ever since she exposed herself as playing into purity culture and spreading huge misinformation on birth control and periods it was over for me lol. even though she is young, she obviously understands her reach so to be that irresponsible and blow it off when called out was so bad imo.
@@AshR24 she clearly believes she has some sort of higher knowledge on health based off of her comments about nurses in the Greece controversy. My mom is a nurse and we were watching the video together when it released and she found it so offensive and disrespectful. And then when I asked her about the validity of Haley’s remarks on birth control she was just baffled.
@@PetitePollyPocket I’m pre nursing so idk much of anything about healthcare yet but I was prematurely offended by that comment. That was so ignorant to say
I definitely slowed down watching her cause her content just wasn’t for me anymore which is fine cause everyone grows and changes, but it was that Greece vacation video that made me pull the plug and unsubscribe
I feel like her & Ryan are privileged in the sense where they can ignore the outside world. Like with the supposed wedding & being a landlord. Say what you want about those two things but I feel like they can’t “read the room,” that well. Also she wants to be Joanna from Chip & Joanna so bad that I feel like she looses her self down the line.
As a Christian myself it really hurt my heart to hear the way she talks about God, it sounds like she feels like everything bad that happens is a punishment and that she feels there's this point system to earn God's love. It must be exhausting for her. The church has hurt so many people's ideas of God's love and made it seem like something you earn rather than unconditionally have. Plus it's made her seem bitter and look down upon others. I hope she gets more in touch with her personal faith and herself rather than putting so much weight on the church's and the general public's opinion of her, not only for her sake but also those around her that she's passing needless judgment onto.
It’s the “salvation through works” and not through faith and love push that damages and causes so many to become jaded and see things like that, in my opinion. I totally agree with you.
Agreed. I left the church a while ago to focus on my personal relationship with god. It’s so much better to be able to have faith without people classifying you as “not a real christian” or constantly judging you
Same I hate that view and pressure that other Christians put on you. Especially on young children it’s so toxic. God’s love is unconditional NO matter what.
@@monique4525 since I've found Qaukerism which is focused on prayer rather than Ceremony and performance I have felt so much closer to God and so much more spiritually at ease. The church has pushed so many from God through their shame and scare tactics.
So many churches are just there for money now it’s disgusting personal study and a personal relationship with god has always been so much better in my opinion 😭
I think Haley is the biggest example of “purity culture christian who would’ve benefited from going to college and getting some real world experience” I can think of. I can’t help but wonder how differently she might’ve turned out if she wasn’t in such a religion-focused friend group/community or at least kept up friendships with people like Ashley (Bestdressed) and gotten more diverse life advice. It would’ve been so cool to see her life if she’d finished high school (or at least gotten her GED if she hasn’t), gone to college, kept up with dance (which was the BIG draw of her channel for a lot of people for a while) and shelved marriage for a (long) while. She actually seems like a really cool young human, just clouded by the views that she lives in a bubble around. I think it’s hard to stay down to earth when you’re 1. rich 2. in an echo chamber 3. dealing with the entire world’s opinions so you feel defensive, and 4. living life through pinterest boards, your bible notes, and the IG explore page. I don’t think she’s the worst of the worst by far but damn, that almost makes it more irritating because she has so much potential to be more well-rounded than she is (if that makes sense). edit: i have to clarify that i don’t hate or think haley is a bad person at all! actually the opposite. she seems sweet but honestly... just young and dumb like most 18-20 year olds are lol. she just has a platform and no one to correct her when she’s wrong. i just think that she definitely would’ve flourished if she’d given herself the space and time to slow down and experience the world in a less “confined” (so to speak) kind of branding and community. she herself expressed feeling like she was rushing her life in early-2020 before ryan proposed to her (in what feels like, to me, love-bombing and trying to lock things down even tho Haley was obviously conflicted), which is where the big chunk of my concern (?) comes from.
i remember the days where she went to competitions and went to school while vlogging it, and had a thing with starbucks drinks. then at night, she used to play fortnite on twitch and interact with us. damn.
Yes, this is spot on. College exposes people who have not yet found themselves to so many other worldviews. And for the individuals who've accepted the beliefs they were brought up with, it really puts those beliefs to the test. I think college would have made Haley more decisive, and ultimately would have challenged her mostly christian/conservative views. Having an online following can create an echo chamber of fans that agree with you, and when they start to grow out of the views that you still hold onto, their criticisms can be hard to take.
Please consider making a “Evolution of Michelle Phan”, I think it would be super interesting considering she was the OG Beauty Guru who disappeared to work on her mental health and came back to RUclips and made a super successful makeup brand. I’d definitely watch it, I’m very intrigued. Love you Smokey ❤️
It took me a second to figure out this video wasn't about Michelle Phan. Just because I have no idea who this person is, the names sound similar, and I kinda was expecting a makeup person. Expectations subverted!
@@clare2540 Is it really necessary to bring back old scandals? People have forgotten because it was in the far past, no point in bringing it back to light. Plus, this series seems to revolve around teenage influencers and as we all know, Michelle is no longer a teen nor an influencer. She left youtube a while ago, and only recently came back uploading infrequently to focus on her Em Cosmetics brand
I feel like Haley's going to really struggle when she becomes an actual adult and can't make relatable content anymore since she's never had actual work experience
You commented this 3 years ago and yup😭 her content now isn’t unrelatable because she flaunts her wealth it’s unrelatable because she seems bored as hell and has nothing to do. Just kinda aimless in life but she’s made her money so she has nothing to work towards I guess.
Haley needs to understand that she's not a business woman, she's just a rich person with enough money to keep trying things until they're successfull. And that doesn't take any skill, intelligence, or talent it just takes money.
yes!! her money came from her being pretty and some pretty basic editing. there’s no shame in that, but she needs to stop acting like she made any real business choices that justifies her trying to sell/produce stuff now
She absolutely has no genuine awareness of her actions. Just like her “business ventures,” her capability to feel the need to make a change is fleeting. Sucks to see it happen, but it makes sense. She is not a good voice for her young audience, unfortunately.
Here's a weird request, can you do an evolution of your own content? Obviously you can't do an unbiased analysis but I'd like to see you talk about your RUclips career and what brought you to where you are now. I think that would be very interesting to watch, although maybe not to make
I know some people have mentioned this in the comments, but I don't think it was said in the video so I'll give my two cents on it. Not too long before Ryan and Haley got engaged, Haley was apparently having doubts about the relationship and her personal trajectory in life. (It kinda seemed like she wanted to ... hit pause lmao.) Supposedly, she actually took a "break" from the relationship, but that only lasted for a day or two. And then, bam, next thing you know Ryan's proposing to her. I don't know about y'all, but that seemed a little alarming. It's one thing to be like, "Ugh, my boyfriend and I had a tiff earlier about doing the dishes so I'm spending the night at a hotel," and a completely different thing to be like, "I'm so young and I've been in this serious, public relationship, but I don't know if this is what I really want right now or where I want to go in life currently." (Paraphrasing, of course.) So to know that she was having those pretty deep doubts about their relationship and her personal path in life and her career and then suddenly got engaged was eyebrow-raising for me. Definitely not her fault for ANYTHING of what I'm saying; there's absolutely nothing wrong with questioning your relationship OR wanting to get engaged. But I will say it was rather worrying. I'll also add this: I feel like a lot of times, Haley is the one catching the most criticism for their relationship "shenanigans" when Ryan is also part of the couple? And he's also the older (thus, presumably more mature) one in the relationship! (I'm talking about the backlash of buying a mansion so young, moving in together before getting married [which I don't see anything wrong with but a lot of deeply religious people do], and getting engaged so soon in a relationship.) I know that Ryan definitely hasn't had many scandals or controversies on his own compared to Haley, but when it comes to their relationship, Ryan is still pretty young but he's also mature enough to "know better" about certain things. So why doesn't anyone ever criticize him as well? I'm not saying he DESERVES to be picked on like Haley is, but it does seem rather odd.
I feel like a lot of it has to do with sexism. girls are usually criticized more for relationships then guys. that's probably why people criticize haley more then ryan
@@clownclouds8295 100% ryan's also hopped from trend to trend and business to business and was involved in most controversies haley was involved in but ryan gets a safe pass. no wonder his age demographic is much younger, besically 13 year olds while haley's is around 16-18 year olds
@@mitralouw9696 Lol yeah, I think Ryan is relatively chill, but Haley seems a bit unaware of particular things and her religious views have given her a more conservative perspective perhaps
@@clownclouds8295 Yeah, 100%. It's like people always expect more out of the woman in a straight relationship and don't hold the same expectations for the guy
Her lack of education on sexual health and birth control makes me very, very worried for her future. I truly wish her the best and hope she'll take the steps to educate herself, but right now it's a YIKES from me.
@@AllyGamez15 I mean, she can state the fact that she’s not educated on the topic all she wants, but it still doesn’t make it okay 🤷🏻♀️ Does she ever explain WHY she isn’t educated on basic sexual health and contraception? She’s an adult woman, who has access to plenty of good-quality resources for learning about these things. It’s concerning that she (and many other people) don’t just take 5-10 minutes and learn the basics, when they have the resources...
@@justanotheranonymousaccoun6365 she was bouncing ideas off of her friend and asking for advice from her subscribers? She did mention some facts she researched, but again, that doesn't make her educated on it. People can talk about their experiences on the internet. Stating she isn't educated/ the video isn't for educational purposes allows people to realize, do not take that video as a resource, etc. Y'all need to stop taking everything people do on the internet and microanalyzing it...think for yourself and do proper research
@@justanotheranonymousaccoun6365 also it was a topic that was mentioned candidly (originally on a podcast), it was not a topic that was thought out thoroughly. I think she did make a video as well about the patch, and her experience with it. I did not see anything wrong with that, because it was her experience. She also mentioned what she learned about "natural" way (tracking ovulation) which again she stated what she found on it, and how she was going to do it. Again these are for entertainment purposes and she never claims to be an expert and also I believe she mentioned that there is always a change to still get pregnant using that method.
in a recent video where she bleached her hair she was like “i wanna be, like, the edgy friend! i wanna get tattoos and wear edgy clothing”. literally a facade, just like her “business woman” phase she’s in. all so cringe
@@Amsayy i’m 21 and tooooons of people around me (and me!) go through these phases too. The difference is that we don’t have the money to waste on experimenting with these phases, and thousands of people ready to watch. Facing the beginning of adulthood with a lower paying job has made all the difference for me.
And her going through all of these phases just shows that she is not the mature adult that she aspires to be. All of her teen years were just her wanting to be mature and she never had any normal teen rebellious things that she did if that makes sense (?)
This!!!! We couldn’t see my grandpa who was in hospice and then after he passed away we couldn’t even have a funeral but people are getting married and partying it’s so selfish
@@m.josena4485 this makes NO SENSE. How does it makes her responsable for your pain? Is this kind of a joke in a parallel universe?? Millions of people are acting corageously by not wearing masks because some fools decided that and then also they decided it is ok not to wear because masks are no good. And now, she is the one to blame because authorities abused your human rights?
we need a video on simply nailogical she is one of the very channel who have been there for over 5 years and still is pretty relevant WITHOUT ANY CONTROVERSY
as someone who’s been watching her since 2016 (and before polish mountain) i’ve found it very interesting how she’s been able to change the type of content she makes pretty organically
Yeah it would definitely be interesting. Her channel is very chill and she seems really sweet while doing what she loves alone in her room. Plus her cats adorable. I think the only thing that rubs me the wrong way is the podcast with Ben where they seem pretty judgy about ppl who don't go to college, get a good "adult" job, and like settle down in adulthood? when most of those avenues are closed off to so many young ppl by health, money, or location. Like they can seem pretty tone deaf because all that stuff worked out for them so why should it be hard for the youths.
@@withcharmtospare I do remember them saying that in context to youtubers who were able to become successful and promoting the lifestyle that dropping out of school =success. They had mentioned several times that they understand college isn’t for everyone, but they also don’t think that only doing RUclips is sustainable in a long run
@@withcharmtospare they don’t hate or judge those who don’t do real jobs they just said they influence thousands of teenage and those youtubers like Jake paul they have created a image that you can be a millionaire just by being a youtuber or school is trash
I think the problem is that Haley thinks she knows everything. I know she talked about going to therapy but I believe she stopped because her therapist was getting to her core and she doesn't want to change.
I remembering seeing a post of hers on my ig explore page with the caption “the way texas is handling the snow is so wholesome” or something like that and one of the picture was like a gratitude journal where she wrote “snow day” that tells me everything I need to know about her.
I know you missed a huge chunk because haley deleted a lot of her vlogging videos, but her channel “tippies life" BLEW her up in the dance community. literally everyone in the community knew her. once she got "clout" on her regular channel and quit dance, she lost so much interest. she came off as unrelatable and snobby, which was so weird. I used to love her
She inspired me to try out for my studios comp team my senior year of hs even though I’d only done competing figure skating and been consistently taking dance classes for a couple years. She was only a year younger but she was the one RUclips who I found was the most similar to me, basically dedicating every waking moment to your sport and it becomes your identity. And then then we both found ourselves outside of those sports but ended up being very different people
To be fair, she's at that age when you don't know what you want to do and you change your mind about your future every week. The only difference is that she has the money to actually start doing the random ideas she gets.
I think that's exactly the reason why she should look into going to college again. Many people in the comments mentioned she would probably benefit from a degree in business or something similar and I totally agree. I mean, I get that college isn't the best for everyone but I think something other than youtube and being an influencer would really help her sort those random ideas out. (Obviously doesn't have to be business, but I think regarding how she sees herself as like a business woman it would make the most sense lmao.)
I agree with you big time. I honestly never watched any of her content til a month ago. It’s okay (nothing spectacular) but I was surprised to see this backlash. But after watching this video in full, all I see is a less-well-off girl trying to figure life out now that she has money and responsibilities and an audience she has to be mindful of. People say stupid stuff all the time without googling. They’re tone deaf. They just don’t have millions plus eyes watching their every move. Sounds like she makes a lot of mistakes and just needs to slow down to learn from them.
Hannah just made me realize the Millenial/Gen Z split isn't determined by what year you were born, but by whether you, as a child, idolized a youtuber or idolized Avril Lavigne.
@@xcobmi yeah, i mostly meant it as a joke. i was born right at the end of millennial/beginning of gen z, so i definitely feel like i relate to both and also neither
After she whined and said she was pure so she shouldn’t get sti was when I lost all respect for her.Just because someone sleep around doesn’t mean they deserve a life long health issue from it
umm i think "sleeping around" and simply having a sex life are two different things but yeah i get what you're saying. i can't stand people like her. like by all means do whatever you want with your life but don't act like you're better than everyone else just because you're waiting until marriage. the purity stuff is so harmful imo...
i feel like ryan and haley are trying to live this “perfect lifestyle” marriage, home, pets, remodeling homes. but they aren’t happy, i can tell there’s going to be a divorce at some point because i don’t feel like it’s gonna last
yeah. They are each others first serious relationship and they moved sooo fast i was suprised. I think Hailey just wanted to start the perfect wife life so she just picked her first opportunity to settle down.
considering they have a very religious-based relationship (or at least haley does) makes me think that they will stay together but begin to resent their choices and take some time off the internet.
One thing that I feel like is really important to talk about is the people in Haley’s life, because let’s be honest, the people in her life have failed her. It’s obvious that she has no one in her life anymore to tell her the harsh truths and to tell her ‘no’ when she needs to hear it. When her parents got divorced, it seems like she lost the people who were supposed to take care of her and mentor her. Now, the roles are flipped and Haley takes care of her mom. Do you really think her mom is gonna disagree with Haley and tell her she shouldn’t do this or that when Haley is literally providing for her and got her a condo? Also, just going off of video content so who knows what happens in real life, but it seems like Ryan never really tells Haley ‘no’, and she is always in the right. We need to remember that Haley is really just a kid who is going through a rough patch in her life. She was thrown into a position that no one her age should have to deal with and has understandably suffered and made very poor decisions because of it.
Omg I said this when the whole thing with Greece happened and no one else echoed my sentiments. If you don’t have a strong village of people who can notice and call you out when you are being tone deaf or making a bad decision, that’s not a group to surround yourself with. Her parents, Ryan, and her friends don’t hold her accountable, so of course she wouldn’t be receptive to strangers on the internet holding her accountable.
Also she doesn’t have much real world experience. She dropped out of high school and didn’t get a GED equivalent, she hasn’t worked a normal job other than RUclips, and she now lives isolated in the outskirts of Austin, so that also plays a big part
exactly. it seems like she cut off her friendships with people leading different lifestyles and so now everyone around her is enabling it and not calling her out
i feel like haley goes through these phases where she becomes super obsessed with something for a little bit and then just abandons it out of nowhere? like she had her retro reprise, her podcast, the traphamily channel, and now the interior design thing. and like when she starts one of these “phases” most of her energy/content revolves around it. lots of comments on the videos of the house renovation were saying that it seemed not genuine so i’m guessing that she started her house flipping/interior design phase, started the house thing, and now is bored of it but she’s too far in to quit her obsession now.
Exactly, she’s just like any teenager/ young person who goes through hobbies and phases and interests. For example you might get really into yoga for a couple of weeks because you saw it on instagram and liked the aesthetic, but then go off it after a while. She’s young and she’s trying to find out who she is just like anybody would, the only issue is that unlike a normal teenager, she has so much money that it isn’t just small hobbies and interests she picks up, it’s businesses and large expensive projects that require commitment she isn’t prepared to give. Where one 20 year old might pick up journaling for a while and eventually lose interest, Haley decides to renovate a B&B just because she has the resources to do so.
But haven’t you heard? She’s a 7 on the enneagram 🙄. Every time she deigns to respond to this critique that’s her response, saying 7s are “creative” and “very ambitious” but “change often”. It’s like she took a personality test, added money to it and called it her own personality.
I personally don't see the problem in finding and learning new things to try out? Everyone has phases when they're obsessed over a new craft/hobby, hers are just publicized for the world to see. A lot of creators are in the rut of having to produce the same content since that's what their fanbase is built on, and eventually, lose the passion in it. Changing her hobbies and what her content is centered around, in my opinion, is perfectly natural. She's extremely young and has gained a hefty amount of money very quickly, therefore her content is a reflection of the combination of the two.
I think that Haley and Ryan are going to keep the wedding thing a secret until the pandemic is almost over and then lie that they were COVID safe and stuff
Yeah I think they're waiting for people to kind of forget about it and be distracted by the fact that it's over so they don't get as much backlash and I feel like there will be a huge group of people who won't care that they held that mask free wedding because we got out of it so they won't think it actually mattered that they did it in the first place
if she went to college and got a degree in business management or a similar area she would really really benefit. just throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks isn't indicative of a strong work ethic or business savvy mindset, but it isn't impossible to do what she's trying to do.
Literally as a Christian I don’t think y’all hate it more than I do 💀 Everyone’s a sinner. It’s literally in the Bible. We are all in same boat when it comes to sin. Nobody is better than anyone else. And the super mature content is honestly soooo toxic for teenage girls again speaking from experience.
imagine if colleges/professors welcomed this kind of content as assignments. very professional, well edited & executed, and you can tell you’re interested in the topic!! you are also so well spoken
Excited for this!! 1) you’re makeup is PARTICULARLY *chef’s kiss* today and 2) Haley Pham is one of the very few RUclipsrs I used to be a big fan of and ended up unsubscribing before any major drama just because the vibes went sour
I remember a vlog where she was talking about how people shouldn't go to college. She said since she didn't have to go college and is super successful, people shouldn't go. It's almost like we all are lucky enough to become successful RUclipsrs and quit our jobs. It was so annoying to hear her talk about her success without acknowledging that she is fucking rich and has the privilege to skip school and not have to work at Starbucks and focus on her own business. What sucks, even more, is that she knows what it's like to be poor and struggle. She is just a rich bitch now. Eat the rich kids... EAT THE RICH.
Honestly, as a girl close in age to Haley, I feel for her. I wish she would take these constructive criticisms and start fresh. She seems truly nice and well intended, but can’t seem to be content with who she is/ isn’t. I’d love to support her if she’d just put all this stuff behind her and humble down.
I’m the same age as haley and i think the main thing that bothers me about her is her lack of self awareness and how mature she tries to present herself as. She wants to seem so much older than she actually is which is why I think she’s doing all these things like getting married, starting businesses, renovating houses, but at the end of the day she doesn’t have the actual level of maturity to match the way she tries to come off and so it just seems slightly embarrassing. Her and Ryan are so young at the end of the day and nobody expects them to be engaging on these business ventures so it just gives the impression of when a small child puts their mum’s heels on and pretends to be all grown up. I know me and my boyfriend certainly don’t have the mindset or capability to be doing any of the things her and ryan are doing and neither do they, the only difference is that they have money and they have an audience. I think she so desperately wants to be seen as a mature adult when at the end of the day, she just isn’t there yet.
ryan's older stuff is compelling and entertaining commentary. i discovered him through his collab with danny gonzalez and instantly became a fan. it's crazy how much someone can change whilst on the internet - this tesla stuff hes doing now is plain irritating lmao edit: you guys in the replies are so right oh my god!!!
right I remember thinking he was going to be the next cody ko or someone similar to that genre and he would make me laugh and now i cringe watching him
I recently ended my 5 year relationship, he had brought me a ring but thankfully not yet proposed. We went to university together and I had been by his side since i was 17, I turned 23 today. I dropped out of university for the 2nd time just as covid hit last year, and we were separated as he had to work for his dad, I realised that although I had my own flat, I didn't know about bills, I wasn't independent at all, I wouldn't even go to the shops by myself, all of "my friends", weren't really mine at all, they were his, I hadn't learned to drive because my boyfriend could so whats the rush... I ended things not because I no longer loved him, but I realised I never got a chance to truly develop who I was as an individual, I have no social circle of my own, and although I moved out at 18, all I gained was poor mental health (Its better now) and very little experience. I think that's where my concern comes from when I see others marrying young. It's really important to develop who you are as an individual, I am happy I came to realise that, I hope others acknowledge that too.
I really miss Haley’s old content. She had that relatable spark like Emma chamberlain. However being exposed to all this money, fame, and responsibilities can most definitely change a person which is what we are seeing now.
Honestly getting married in a pandemic is so selfish. If they had to get married go to a court house. I feel like alot of her behaviour recently has been self involved, with a lack of empathy for the real world because she is so privileged? And then the house rental renovation, renting keeps the lower classes without house security and hoards wealth with the already rich. But this is a systemic issue of capitalism so not her fault but the fact she chooses to ignore people who want to educate her on the issues of being a landlord when so many people are financially struggling right now & presenting herself as a charitable person is really contradictory and sad!?
If you let so many of those things and complete strangers dictate your life it would be sad. But I'm sure you wouldn't live to those high standards your self ... And you would crumble under the level of scrutiny and judgement you just spoke on. I guess I'll never get why people think they can judge and dictate others lives just because there on youtube..
@@lanaesworld6976 you would think millions of strangers dying in a pandemic would influence someone's life? I think you do have to consider how your actions impact other people?
I got married during the pandemic. You just keep it small. I also was a landlord to low income people in our area. You have to renovations to keep the house well maintained. She may be renting it now but one day she might want to sell it, but she can’t do that if there are no updates, especially in her area.
@@lisan3460 the point is she doesn't need the money and she can renovate after the pandemic. maintaining a home for safety is totally different then renovations. the renovations are not a necessity and 100% could have waited. weddings can wait. go the courthouse. having a few people at your wedding isn't worth potentially robbing someone of their life. minimize your interaction with other people. unless either of you are terminal or someone at the wedding was terminal, you could have also waited. if you have the vaccine then that's a whole other scenario, but you didn't mention that. you saying that you've done similar things to her doesn't make what she did anymore justifiable. it just makes you look equally as self involved, weddings aren't a necessity nor are home renovations. people are literally DEAD.
@@lanaesworld6976 what's hard about not having a wedding in a global pandemic and not doing home improvements given the record unemployment and eviction/foreclosure rates? who's moving in a time like this?? unless 100% necessity as a result of incidents around the pandemic. an easy google search would tell you people on average are downsizing, not moving into newly renovated homes with teen landlords.
I witnessed a sudden shift in Ryan's content when he started dating Haley. I tapped out because it started to revolve around her. The infatuation stage was really off-putting because I'd been watching this bright young guy, full of ideas, evolve independently and then it just dwindled. All the sudden almost everything was about or involved Haley. I think there is something to be said about two teens coming together at times in their lives when it would be beneficial to go at it alone and discover who they are individually. People really underestimate the power of friendship, which is a major building block in any relationship. Everything does not have to start off romantically. As you mentioned there were several times when Haley's content pivoted and even more so now. We see her trying on so many different costumes, identities, and ventures because she doesn't know who she is and there's nothing wrong with that. Eventually, hopefully she'll stumble upon herself. However, she's trapped herself in this world of "I'm supposed to be this." "I'm suppose to do that." "I want to be like that." And I think her relationship with Ryan enforces these expectations. Seems like there is no breathing room for the both of them. I hope that they both find themselves and I hope Haley gets the world experience/life experience and education she needs to become a well-rounded person. Also she could use a long break. Live your life offline, sit with yourself for a while.
@rebekah Not everyone who waits till marriage is invested in “purity culture” - I’m not Christian or even particularly religious but I’m waiting till marriage bc it’s something I’ve thought about and it’s my choice. Haley has made disparaging remarks about girls who don’t wait but not everyone is judgy or self-hating about it
@@hayatidk I think that's exactly what purity culture is though? its the toxic part of that community, usually religious, that bases a woman's worth on her "purity". I'd say the sex positive community ironically are the ones who are best with this topic, its all about choice (whether you want to wait or hoe it out). its more about agency over yourself rather than sexist bs about purity.
@@nalad9387 That’s exactly what I said, that not everybody who waits is a part of purity culture, they’re two diff things & there are lots of girls who wait but also hate purity rhetoric
i think haley is like a sponge and completely embodies whatever she enjoys at the time and i think her perfectionism makes her take it to extremes. this would be completely fine but it isn't the best way to be as a business person since it makes her so wishy washy and ultimately unreliable.
@@kyla1411 thats exactly what it is. she needs to allow herself to go through the phases without making such big commitments until she's settled with what she's comfortable with.
Incredibly true. Became first evident when she threw herself into whatever interest her current boyfriend had. Dance when she was with Sam. Rock climbing and PC gaming when she was with gabe. RUclips and business when she started seeing Ryan. I feel like she just lost herself somewhere along the way and hasn’t spent enough time alone to find it again
@@JustCakie wow i didnt even consider that. but yeah id agree. she was so young when she was with sam and she really didnt give herself time to grow into her own person.
This is comment isn’t just pertaining to Haley but I feel like being 20 and married is so incredibly young. You have no idea who you are. I’m 25 now and looking back at my 20 year old self, I’m so glad I spent it focusing on my friends and myself. I know a lot of people do it for religious purposes but ugh I can’t help but just see them as babies.
agree completely. i’m 26 and just got married and literally still feel like that’s young to be married 😂😂 even though like everyone from my high school is already married for several years and have 1 or 2 kids.
I agree, I’m 20 right now and even thought I live and study abroad away from my family, I still feel more like a teenager instead of an adult, even thought my life has some aspects of adulthood in it. 20 is so so young, I could never imagine myself getting married right now, it seems like at this age you’re still discovering yourself and what you want to do with your life, not settle down and make a life long commitment to somebody else...
Would love a video on your thoughts about why men are at the top of the beauty, hair and skincare community. Just think it’s interesting and I’m curious to hear your thoughts
My guess is it’s gender roles and misogyny. Women are expected to know makeup, it’s an anomaly if a man “does makeup”. Add on the whole “men have more authority and male attention is valuable” attitude and the seemingly being underdogs in a women dominated space, and you get a majority women space led by men
@@kathrynvincent1563 exactly! Also most of the "traditional" make up/skin care/fashion brands were founded/owned by men, as well as many of the specialists in these areas were men. It's really an illusion that they used to be women centered areas; it's mainly just that most of their public were women!
No matter what you’re talking about, I’m always so impressed with how well spoken you are. You talk so concisely and confidentially and I really admire that
I feel so conflicted about Haley, mostly because I'm worried about her. I started watching her when she was doing the Plan with Pham style videos and really enjoyed all of her content. I stopped watching her content for no particular reason in the beginning of 2019 and then the whole Greece thing happened and everything seems like a mess, specially her. Since she's supporting her mom and didn't go to college, I feel like she thinks she needs to keep this career going at all costs, but her content revolved around her life when she was 16, so now she has no idea of what to post. She tries to grab her old audience, but shes not 16 in her room making videos about dance anymore. She tries to grab a new audience, but doesn't know how to appeal to it when half of the internet just sees her as a spoiled child. In reality, I think she's completely lost, nobody takes her seriously and has nobody to guide her. She's trying to fix all of that in front of an audience that will criticise her every move and she needs to please that audiece while also having no idea how to do it. When you pair this with the fact that she's a huge prefectionist, you get what's happening now: a flip flop between ideas that she either doesn't fully love, her audience doesn't love or both. I feel like the only way to fix this right now is taking some time off to go to therapy, find herself, work through trauma that she has accumulated over these years and find what she trully wants to do with her channel and herself. Trying to figure herself out on camera is not going well and I really hope she finds her niche and her passion for youtube again.
She needs to take some of that money she's earned and study dance at a community college, make videos about that. That's the kind of content I would be interested in. (I also hope she had a financial advisor)
@@kat8559 i honestly just think she needs to do something for herself and not for views you know? She's been trying to do things for an audience this whole time and it's taking a tool on her. I went to check out her vlog channel after watching this video and the new video is filled with comments about how they just want her to be honest and herself again, but how is she supposed to do that when there's been a whole movie lenghth video made about her life at detail, nitpicking and critiquing every bit of it. It made some good points, sure, but talking about someone's marriage and finances when those are clearly soft spots for her is too much. She doesn't even know herself anymore I think, so how is she supposed to show who she is? I do agree that her going to a dance college would be a great start if that's what she wants to do, but just trying to fix things and not making content out of it would be nice
i liked haley and ryan seperately for years. they started dating and they changed a bit, but most people and creators do when they get in a relationship, so i didn't really mind. but around 2018 they both started to loose touch. i feel bad because i'm proud of the progress she has made and the company she has created, but at the same time her fans are the ones who got her there and she seems to be really detached and out of touch with them now. people get famous on youtube all the time and still keep their personality and their relatability to some point, but i feel like haley hasn't been able to do that. her youtube just seems like an ad for how great her life is and she just seems very aloof to her fans
100% don’t think they will ever address the wedding. They didn’t care to begin with. Why would they care now. She got what she wanted and that’s all she cares about. That’s all that matters to her.
@@kuramacabre i actually liked the apology but an apology means nothing without action. when they start being their normal self and not act mature and better than the average person because they're youtubers, and be authentic with good content, i'll support them again. the apology was a good start tho and they agreed that they had no excuse which was good that they were aware
I haven't finished the video yet but I really hope you talk about how dangerous her message of "only unpure girls get yeast infections" is (this isnt verbatim what she said but along the lines) Like there is already a huge stigma surrounding women's reproductive health and how the only thing that can throw it off is s*x and that's not true and a really horrible thing to promote to her young audience...
She mentions it around the 30 min mark :) that’s honestly what made me stop watching Haley. I haven’t been able to see her the same since. I’m sure it’s a symptom of her religious upbringing, but she has no reason not to educate herself about it.
Mindblowing that people would believe that. was on 1,200 milligrams of antibiotics earlier this year, how was I supposed to not get a yeast infection? 🤣😆 Things happen, Haley. And anyone can get yeast infections, not only if you have a vulva. Are men unpure if they get them?
i feel so sad for her especially when you started talking about what happened to her in 2018. she's this 18 year old kid who suddenly got big on youtube for being this relatable teen, she had a good life, and then she gets into trouble in school, her parents get divorced, her mom loses her job, she's the only one supporting them financially, she's lost academically/career wise, stopped dance. you don't go through that stuff and remain a relatable teen because she just grew up too fast in that one year. she's still immature because of lack of experience but she's also had to put on this role of the adult. i feel bad for her
haley has honestly always kinda given off the 'wannabe' vibe imo. not that its her fault, she seems deeply insecure and i have a funny feeling she has A LOT of unresolved trauma thats getting brushed to the side in the name of career and religion.
I think one of the more interesting points you made is that she started becoming the content she consumed, and one of those content creators she was consuming was Gabi DeMartino and her "fancy vlogs". I strictly remember in one of her videos Haley would watch Gabi almost every night. They say you are a mixture of the 5 people you surround yourself with. It's almost like she has became Gabi but with her twist on it with the materialism. (but this is just my opinion lol)
🤔 That’s an interesting point. Maybe certain things Gabi would’ve done that didn’t align with her faith she opted out/away from? Her style did remind me of Fancy Vlogs a bit. I used to watch Gabi on and off until recently (the onlyfans thing), I never got into the Kardashian’s but kind of viewed Gabi as a “YT alternative”... Idk, I’m close in age to her and I liked some aspects of her aesthetic but I’ve found other creators that are more grounded (I guess) lately.
Oh my, you’re totally right. I didn’t notice the issue until now but they’re both young girls who would pride themselves in their abilities or business
@henley yeah I don’t really even feel like she’s changing her content just her life is changing and people find it less relatable. And people are picking up on this but not realizing that’s the crux of the issue and are getting upset with her maybe. Idk 🤷🏾♂️
I feel it might have to do with the video she did about quarentine that got a lot of backlash and also she may feel unsafe, she literally had to move out of her appartment because someone knew exactly where she lived.
I dont think it’s because of money. She doesnt flex her wealth/fame although she does show the thing she can do/buy with her money such as moving to NYC on her own as she wishes and buying expensive equipments for her work. However, I think recent personal life issues and the increase of negative comments are affecting her videos. She did say she was going to therapy a few months ago. And she recently had to move because of a stalker. I hope she’s okay.
Are we going to talk about the fact the Traphamily channel has seemingly been deleted? And the only wedding series vlog that isn’t privated is the proposal?
They profited off of all the views, sponsorships, and add revenue had the wedding secretly and in unsafe conditions and then refused to acknowledge it, it ran through my head that they might delete the videos but the fact that they actually went through with it makes them look completely guilty.
yeah i think people started noticing, because they all the sudden stopped posting the wedding series and people were asking questions, that’s the only reason i think they talked about the wedding
Same. I found him when he did that collab with Danny Gonzalez and subscribed to him, but then a few weeks later unsubscribed bc his content changed so much in such a short time
@@reet7060 That decision should not be based on what a celebrity does. Beyoncé didn’t go to college, that doesn’t mean I’m going to drop out soon from my classes.
ive been watching haley for YEARS. as an extremely overachieving highschool freshman i idolized her like crazy bc of her bullet journaling/grades/school tips and her work ethic... the second she got a little bit of popularity she stopped caring about school and more about a teacher she disliked. i dont think she ever even graduated..... how does someone change that fast?
@Hailey K LMAO i never said i believed her. what i SAID was that i remember in a video i saw of hers a long time ago, since i have not watched this girl or even cared for her for 2 years because she wasn’t entertaining, she mentioned that she at least graduated.
me too! i still remember that vlog she did where she skipped school to go to a paid vacation trip with dote. i remember how sad i was watching her video saying she’s not going to college considering she was a really smart student
I was pretty forgiving for Haley Pham for a while.. but after she bought the house with Ryan and began living there it was just an odd shift into this new lifestyle she had. I didn’t feel like as a viewer I was still her friend she was sharing things with. I feel like the only person I watched for so long who stayed that way was Jenna Marbles who I always felt was just speaking to her audience almost like a friend.
@@m.josena4485 she just went on a mini hiatus because she moved recently to be closer to family as she was struggling mentally (due to quarantine and the pressure of putting out high quality videos more frequently). She seems fine though! She is already working on her next video
please do the evolution of Meredith foster or like just Meredith foster right now cause girl!!!! it's crazy, her mom was one of the people that stormed the capitol
@@miafranca3399 look about it on reddit, I had no idea and until I was seeing all these horrible comments on her youtube videos and I was like girl what???
Just throwing this out here... Evolution of Rhett and Link and their content? Since you've mentioned liking Rhett and Link it would be so fun to do a deep dive on their channels. Their longevity on this platform is so interesting and almost zero scandals in all those years.
This would be interesting although they have done thier own deep dive through thier content and what shaped parts of thier content on their podcast. although I think what works for them and how they’ve kept a longevity is becuase they have made changes but it all stayed pretty much the same old GMM so if feels like they know what thier audience wants so evolved to make that content better and better but having a lot of familiarity. Something that’d be interesting to talk about is the branching out of GMM and how much it’s grown. As for not having many scandals I really think it’s just that they are genuine people who enjoy RUclips.
I don't know if you ever watched Ingrid Nilsen when she was on RUclips, but she started a candle company called The New Savant. I've been intrigued, but haven't tried them yet.
As a sixteen year old, I think she was so natural in front of the camera because I also grew up on youtube my whole childhood, and we copied the RUclips we liked...
My younger brother has a friend that sounds like she's being influenced in all the wrong ways by someone like Haley. She's obsessed with "building an empire" but when asked wtf that means, she doesn't have an answer. She quotes herself on her social media like she's a wise philosopher but is really just 20 and newly wed lol
It’s so jarring when people say “oh back in 2016” because for me the year Trump was elected was the first time I got actively involved in an election and it just seems so fresh and traumatizing for me that it feels like I have had four 2016s in a row.
@@poopylifetroll I think this girl should transition her channel into a luxury vlog/review channel if that’s what she likes so much. No she won’t be relatable but people love watching luxury channels and by people I mean me I am people.
Another thing I find so annoying about all these people holding secret weddings during COVID is there is a difference between getting legally married and having a wedding ceremony. Yes, traditionally, most people do them one in the same, but during a time like this, if you want to be legally married sooner (like because you're waiting until marriage to have sex) then you can go down to the courthouse and have a judge marry you, and then have your big wedding once the pandemic has died down. But, you know, freedumb
Yess, my boyfriends sister recently got married and she has a really nice wedding just for them and their two witnesses! It was so beautiful, they had a palace all for themselves, and no virus!!
My best friend was supposed to have the big wedding last year and kept having to put it off so they finally just did the courthouse thing with their friend officiating. We'll still do the big ceremony later
To go on when you talked around 28 mins, it’s like when Adelaine Morin was talking about “losing a lot of money” from the big bear trip and also in the same trip saying she bought a “cheap” 500 dollar hot tub.....
As a teen myself, I'm not quite sure what her age demographic is exactly. It seems like she just hops around with content and random people just follow along for a bit and then they just leave? I feel like this confusion really showcases her as a person though and the decisions she has made because there seems to be people of all age groups-ish that are somehow still more mature than her if that makes sense
I’m the same age as her, I liked for a bit but then I would go on and off because her content kind of fluctuates. It seems like she’s going through an identity crisis and after all of her scandals it’s hard to watch her.
Mia Maples is the complete opposite of Haley Pham tbh. She’s genuine, always growing, and always has a balance of videos of what she wants to do on her channel and then also doing what her fans want to see.
Yeah that’d be cool, she was the first RUclipsr I ever watched and I remember her collaborating with Aeropostale! I don’t know if she’s still doing RUclips now but she’s in a relationship with a guy from so you think you can dance and if I’m not mistaken I think they’re engaged?
She was one of the first influencers to hit mainstream success. Either her huge aeropostle line with billboards in Times Square, and then being in the finals of Dancing with the Stars
“it feels like you’re getting whiplash from following her career moves” lmaooo so true everytime i try to tune in to her videos again, i feel like she’s so passionate abt a new thing. it’s confusing
Omg yes I made a video called “The Evolution of best.dressed and her content” inspired by you and literally after I finished it I was like “I hope Hannah does Haley next😂”
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The problem with Ryan and Haley is that everything they do to seem like ‘mature adults’ is just proof of how immature they actually are
this.
Couldn’t agree more 👏🏻
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Yh I agree
It's like James Charles saying he has the maturity of a "40 year old".
She sounds like a teenager who grew up too fast and now can’t slow down.
This... is the perfect way to describe it.
agreed. i feel like she thinks shes grown and understands everything but she clearly doesnt.
More like a teenager who wants to grow up faster than she can.
I’m thinking that too, it’s like peaking early might be her story
@@moyazhao4676 yes
Her biggest downfall is her complete and utter lack of education on any topic she speaks on. It’s okay to look past religion sometimes to inform and educate yourself on different topics. Either she needs to educate herself, or just not speak on things she doesn’t understand.
Yeah like it’s fine to say “I don’t know enough about this to speak on it so -“ and people would respect her a lot more than just poppin off with whatever lol
I agree 100%!! Haley seems to be creating her own views as claiming it to be from the Bible when in reality, it's not. She believes that she knows everything but she doesn't.
Agree. Or if she doesn’t know enough to speak on some topics, she could’ve just used her platform to amplify the voices of people who have more knowledge than her
I agree. The internet is free, and there are millions of credible sources out there that cover every topic imaginable, yet she makes one google search, skims the top result, and then tries to preach wrong and inaccurate information. The Greece video was a big red flag about her lack of education, and then the birth control video. It’s not hard to dedicate some time to learning about something as important as birth control and women’s health. Her “girl talk” style of video really bothered me, there was so much wrong information being spread, and younger viewers don’t tend to go out and research on their own. I can’t even describe the type of person she’s become, but something about it seems fishy.
She went through the LA influencer ‘transition’ without moving to LA lol. Love it
Because she is a follower.
ironically, she's exactly the type of person that would benefit from going to college, having a conventional job and travelling the world for reasons other than insta photo-ops and aesthetics.
She'd probably love and thrive doing a Bachelor of Business or Commerce... I hope she does in the future.
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couldn’t agree more. i think she’s clearly an intelligent woman (regardless of many mistakes) and would thrive off of a critical thinking job/career. i’m totally for people not going to college if that isn’t for them, but i see a girl with a lot of potential and a very bright future if she took that path.
I was so confused when she dropped out/ was expelled out of hs just few months I think(?) before graduating. She talked for years about going to college, dancing and then just bum! She dropped everything and became this weird I’m more mature than I/Instagram for life/Pinterest is the only way kind of fusion.
As a Christian myself, nothing irritates me more than judgmental Christians. Our job isn't to make people feel bad about not living the way we do. Our job is to love people regardless of their life choices and beliefs. God doesn't see any of us as better than another, if we live the way he wants. As imperfect beings, we have no place or authority to condemn people for anything. Waiting or not waiting, diseases are not a punishment, it's just life.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽YESS
Amen!
@Vanessa Gs Thats not a very nice God then....
@Vanessa Gs of course he doesn’t, but it’s not our job to make people feel judged for that. Our job is to live as Christ did. Christ didn’t judge, he loved.
@Vanessa Gs sounds like something you say when you're the one doing the judging. Be honest with yourself and don't hide behind God's name when you can't find enough love in your heart for another human being.
It's so fascinating to me how seemingly "down to earth, relatable, kind" teenage girls who start out on youtube turn into such selfish, immature, hugely out of touch older teenage girls when they gain some type of success. I can't wrap my head around the stark transformation
Love this comment! Couldn’t agree more
This explains Tana Mongeau to a T! She used to make story time videos in her bedroom in her parent's house and now she's so full of herself it's disgusting!
Not to defend her actions (like pandemic wedding) but garnering so much attention and new found wealth at such a young age when you're trying to figure yourself out can definitely lead to an inflated ego and out of touch mindset. I can understand how she'd end up that way, especially if the people around her are fostering that attitude and not helping to ground her.
Tana Mongeau comes to mind when I read your comment
Yeah, the only RUclipsr I can think of that’s remained mostly the same is Joanna Ceddia
Something about Haley Pham is so interesting to me. She's like the embodiment of what happens when your childhood ends too soon. I think people sometimes forget that she's been the main source of income for her family since she was a literal child, and she's been financially supporting her mom since her parents got divorced. She takes a lot of pride in the fact that she was able to do so, but she's acknowledged that she feels a lot of pressure to make money to support her mom. I see someone who took on this "breadwinner" position too soon and lost a lot of her childhood. She didn't have normal teenage years where she could just fuck around and do whatever; everything she did had to make money. She lost a lot of freedom and I think it shows now that she's an adult because you can tell she's not really mature. She's very immature but is desperate to seem like an adult since she missed all those normal teen years. I think it also explains how she changes her "identity" so often because she's chasing whatever persona is going to be most profitable. She's messy, but something about her story is so fascinating to me.
I agree
That’s a really good point!
That’s actually a very good point
Beautifully articulated 👏
This made me think how like I stopped watching her videos because I kept losing the vibe and I guess this gives me more idea as to why I watched and then stopped cause she was constantly changing and your right I saw that huge maturity in her compared to other RUclipsrs of hers age
maybe it’s just me but i find getting married young so you can have sex because of purity culture to be extremely irresponsible, wearing condoms is more responsible than a ring.
could not have been said better👏👏👏
also the chances of you marrying someone you don’t actually love are huge, cause you don’t have enough time to know each other
honestly
getting married young and wanting to wait for marriage isn’t irresponsible at all. im not a Haley stan or anything but she’s said multiple times that she doesn’t believe in purity culture even though she’s a Christian.
point blank period
She's business minded, but she's not business savvy.
This hit spot on !
She is not business minded, she’s your average lazy youtuber that doesn’t know what to do to make money without any effort.
BARS
@@blablabladuda lol
That's what I was saying
The thing that I hate the most about Haley is her raging hypocrisy. She uses purity culture to her advantage so that she can glorify herself and shame other women in the process. All while picking and choosing which aspects of purity culture she herself wants to follow.
💯💯💯💯💯
She's a sexist
@@seliamila1005 are we suprised?
@@seliamila1005 really? please explain :(
As someone that grew up in a very Christian space, I think what she was saying about the STD was really lost in her poor communication. Those spaces really imbed that the only way you can avoid STDS and unwanted pregnancy is through abstinence and celibacy. So when you put so much energy and effort into trying to avoid it by doing the “right thing” it feels like a slap in the face because maybe you could have been having sex this whole time and it wouldn’t have mattered. It’s kinda like the set up in Jane the Virgin, where she put so much emotional energy in staying celibate because of the religious aspect but also so she wouldn’t end up like her mom. I don’t think she was trying to shame other people or be like a pick me girl, but that’s just my personal take. I also don’t really know anyone that participates in purity culture/strict religious adherence that doesn’t pick and choose a little (you’d go absolutely mad if you didn’t). But again personal takes just from like being the same age as her in relatively similar communities and also being veeeerrry familiar with the way my peers say dumb things like this 😂
Edit: if she made other more directly disparaging remarks about “impure woman” than that definitely is not okay/something to empathize with. I tapped out as a subscriber like two weeks before the std video, so I haven’t seen much since then.
“Tone deaf” is a PERFECT way to describe her in how out of touch she seems
It wasn’t mentioned, but one of the things that lost her a lot of long time fans was dropping out of high school in December 2018. Basically, her school suspended her for filming during class or something, and she decided to just drop out completely with only one semester left. This annoyed a lot of people bc a) just a really dumb decision when you only have 5 months left b) lots of her earlier content was about studying and now she just decided to ditch all of it bc she was gaining traction online and c) she got into the same “school doesn’t matter, just hustle and you’ll be good” mindset as her bf Ryan Trahan.
Ryan himself was obnoxious for this bc he’d dropped out of college due to a conflict between his business and his track involvement, and he never shut up again about how college is stupid and useless bc he was making so much money by dropping out. Like yeah college isn’t for everyone, but you already had a rising business and a growing online presence when you dropped out. It felt like he imparted that chip on his shoulder abt being a successful drop-out to Haley, when dropping out of HS is way different than dropping out of college.
i ALWAYS wondered this and never got a clear answer form hayley. since she dropped out so soon before she finished, does she had a diploma/equivalent or not?? like especially if you were SO close, my mom would kill me if i did that when i had such little time left to finish
@@bbypinkcherry I was a senior in high school at the same time as her and stopped watching when she said she was dropping out. I was working hard to graduate while she was making so much money through her popularity on RUclips and had the privilege to throw that all away. I think it was partially Ryan's influence that made her think it was okay to not finish school but also out of spite from being suspended and losing her spot in the honor's society. In her dropping out video, she talked about how she didn't even want to be a part of the honor's society to begin with but before that, she would talk about her academic achievements with pride.
They totally read as a couple who’d get sucked into - or START lmao - an MLM :)
She dropped out completely? I was wondering why I never saw anymore school vlogs and nothing about graduating, etc. Damn.
Yes! That’s why I quit watching her. It’s her choice to do that but I just couldn’t get behind that, coupled with the fact that I wasn’t really invested in her content anymore.
Haley Pham is what happens when you let an 18-year-old be an 18-year-old, but give the millions of dollars to spend and millions of people to watch it all unfold.
I miss when she was in her little room doing normal fun stuff
yuppp
I think that’s why Emma chamberlain didn’t lose fame because she stayed relatable even though she bought a 3 million dollar house with Louis bags and such. She stayed true to her personality even through the fame and money.
edit- WTF?? I never have gotten this many likes Thank you!
Also bc she’s a skinny yt girl
@@Marie-bb3bd ah yeah that too
yeah cause there was also a good almost year where so many people bashed her and bashed people who took in her personality a bit. the fact that, that didn’t discourage her cause it’s just her personality is kinda admirable
@Peachie c I just got to know her last february and got informed of her past. She didn't really have any MAJOR backlash but owned up to her mistakes. Also, her podcast is amazing. You can really see how humble and self-aware she is
yeah!
I honestly felt quite bad for her when her parents divorced and she became the financial provider for her mum. I remember her video talking about it and was quite upsetting to witness. However, after that everything just went downhill. She started to become obsessed with views/money and she became so caught up in herself that she started to lose sight of who she was at her core. And then the religious thing came into it and it was just a whole other level of out of touch.
I agree. People are being so hard on Haley but she was literally a kid trying to provide for her mother and grew up too fast. I'm not a fan but I think people should have a little more empathy.
She just grew up too fast.
facts.
what confuses me about Haley Pham is how she is so open and pushes for normalization of periods and puberty but is so critical of birth control. it really makes her seem like such a hypocrite.
I think she is held back by purity culture. she could probably do well with hearing some progressive Christian opinions so that she doesn’t feel dissonance between her religion and her secular views
@@trishspage progressive Christians aren’t Christians and they aren’t actually saved no one should listen to progressive Christians
@@thanamel this is untrue. i don’t know how it benefits you to try and dismiss people and their faith but the bible is up for many interpretations
@@thanamel your little Jesus isn't real 🤑
@@trishspage progresives Christians aren't Christians. Real Christians doesn't practice "cherry picking" which is choosing what you like and what you don't like about the bible. The bible is a Holy book, you choose to be Christian or not. But in the middle it don't work, is called being lukewarm, and it says the God prefer someone cold or hot but not lukewarm cuz they will be spitted out of mouths
whenever ryan is mentioned as being a bad influence to haley, it just reminds me of how different he used to be when he was a commentary channel poking fun at silly things on the internet. idk what happened from then to now, but he suddenly became a david dobrik lite after he got a taste of fame. it's sad that a similar change has been seen in haley and that ryan is likely partially responsible for that change.
honestly, i think that they were negative influences on each other. i watched both of them before they started dating, and after they met both of their content started changing a lot. haley has a kind of "holier than thou" approach to life and i think she's kind of putting that on ryan as well. their hustle mentalities only grow and feed into one another as they hype each other up and start all of these projects together. their relationships seems very based on productivity and money-making (i don't know them personally and these are just my observations) which makes me worried about the marriage 😬 and their content overall. i can't watch either of them anymore :'(
I know!! I really miss his older content, he seemed like such a genuine sweet guy doing what he loved. His video with Danny is still one of my comfort videos lol. Now I feel like he’s just following trends to generate the most views or money, and it’s sort of heartbreaking.
I know this isn’t that big of a deal to people but she used to NEVER curse until she started being around Ryan all the time which was interesting
@@kimesparza1298 wow that’s interesting
true :(
Ever since she exposed herself as playing into purity culture and spreading huge misinformation on birth control and periods it was over for me lol. even though she is young, she obviously understands her reach so to be that irresponsible and blow it off when called out was so bad imo.
Yuuuuup! That did it for me smh
@@AshR24 she clearly believes she has some sort of higher knowledge on health based off of her comments about nurses in the Greece controversy. My mom is a nurse and we were watching the video together when it released and she found it so offensive and disrespectful. And then when I asked her about the validity of Haley’s remarks on birth control she was just baffled.
@@PetitePollyPocket I’m pre nursing so idk much of anything about healthcare yet but I was prematurely offended by that comment. That was so ignorant to say
I definitely slowed down watching her cause her content just wasn’t for me anymore which is fine cause everyone grows and changes, but it was that Greece vacation video that made me pull the plug and unsubscribe
what was the misinformation? I know it was in the podcast but never watched it
I feel like her & Ryan are privileged in the sense where they can ignore the outside world. Like with the supposed wedding & being a landlord. Say what you want about those two things but I feel like they can’t “read the room,” that well. Also she wants to be Joanna from Chip & Joanna so bad that I feel like she looses her self down the line.
Also being tone deaf when Texas was going through a crisis because she still had water and power.
@@aquagamer1212 You’re right! I live in Tx and it was a shit storm. I was disappointed in how little Tx based celebrities/influencers helped others.
It is not a supposed wedding it happened. Check keepingupwiththepopsicles Instagram.
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As a Christian myself it really hurt my heart to hear the way she talks about God, it sounds like she feels like everything bad that happens is a punishment and that she feels there's this point system to earn God's love.
It must be exhausting for her.
The church has hurt so many people's ideas of God's love and made it seem like something you earn rather than unconditionally have.
Plus it's made her seem bitter and look down upon others.
I hope she gets more in touch with her personal faith and herself rather than putting so much weight on the church's and the general public's opinion of her, not only for her sake but also those around her that she's passing needless judgment onto.
It’s the “salvation through works” and not through faith and love push that damages and causes so many to become jaded and see things like that, in my opinion.
I totally agree with you.
Agreed. I left the church a while ago to focus on my personal relationship with god. It’s so much better to be able to have faith without people classifying you as “not a real christian” or constantly judging you
Same I hate that view and pressure that other Christians put on you. Especially on young children it’s so toxic. God’s love is unconditional NO matter what.
@@monique4525 since I've found Qaukerism which is focused on prayer rather than Ceremony and performance I have felt so much closer to God and so much more spiritually at ease.
The church has pushed so many from God through their shame and scare tactics.
So many churches are just there for money now it’s disgusting
personal study and a personal relationship with god has always been so much better in my opinion 😭
I think Haley is the biggest example of “purity culture christian who would’ve benefited from going to college and getting some real world experience” I can think of. I can’t help but wonder how differently she might’ve turned out if she wasn’t in such a religion-focused friend group/community or at least kept up friendships with people like Ashley (Bestdressed) and gotten more diverse life advice. It would’ve been so cool to see her life if she’d finished high school (or at least gotten her GED if she hasn’t), gone to college, kept up with dance (which was the BIG draw of her channel for a lot of people for a while) and shelved marriage for a (long) while. She actually seems like a really cool young human, just clouded by the views that she lives in a bubble around. I think it’s hard to stay down to earth when you’re 1. rich 2. in an echo chamber 3. dealing with the entire world’s opinions so you feel defensive, and 4. living life through pinterest boards, your bible notes, and the IG explore page. I don’t think she’s the worst of the worst by far but damn, that almost makes it more irritating because she has so much potential to be more well-rounded than she is (if that makes sense).
edit: i have to clarify that i don’t hate or think haley is a bad person at all! actually the opposite. she seems sweet but honestly... just young and dumb like most 18-20 year olds are lol. she just has a platform and no one to correct her when she’s wrong. i just think that she definitely would’ve flourished if she’d given herself the space and time to slow down and experience the world in a less “confined” (so to speak) kind of branding and community. she herself expressed feeling like she was rushing her life in early-2020 before ryan proposed to her (in what feels like, to me, love-bombing and trying to lock things down even tho Haley was obviously conflicted), which is where the big chunk of my concern (?) comes from.
i remember the days where she went to competitions and went to school while vlogging it, and had a thing with starbucks drinks. then at night, she used to play fortnite on twitch and interact with us. damn.
This is it exactly
Very much agree w this
Yes, this is spot on. College exposes people who have not yet found themselves to so many other worldviews. And for the individuals who've accepted the beliefs they were brought up with, it really puts those beliefs to the test. I think college would have made Haley more decisive, and ultimately would have challenged her mostly christian/conservative views. Having an online following can create an echo chamber of fans that agree with you, and when they start to grow out of the views that you still hold onto, their criticisms can be hard to take.
Wow. I didn't know she was friends with Bestdressed....
Please consider making a “Evolution of Michelle Phan”, I think it would be super interesting considering she was the OG Beauty Guru who disappeared to work on her mental health and came back to RUclips and made a super successful makeup brand. I’d definitely watch it, I’m very intrigued. Love you Smokey ❤️
It took me a second to figure out this video wasn't about Michelle Phan. Just because I have no idea who this person is, the names sound similar, and I kinda was expecting a makeup person. Expectations subverted!
YES! I'd love to see this, great idea
@@clare2540 Is it really necessary to bring back old scandals? People have forgotten because it was in the far past, no point in bringing it back to light. Plus, this series seems to revolve around teenage influencers and as we all know, Michelle is no longer a teen nor an influencer. She left youtube a while ago, and only recently came back uploading infrequently to focus on her Em Cosmetics brand
Yes, I love her evolution. I think she thrives because she knows when to step back and take time for herself, among other things.
My brains saw the title and translated it to Michelle Phan for some reason lol
I feel like Haley's going to really struggle when she becomes an actual adult and can't make relatable content anymore since she's never had actual work experience
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@Esmè Keaton i think its sebastian stan and anthony mackie photoshopped in front of a burning building?
@Esmè Keaton It's Sebastian Stan and Anthony Mackie photoshopped in front of a burning building lolll
Yes like I’m petrified for 30 year old her and I mean that in the nicest way.
You commented this 3 years ago and yup😭 her content now isn’t unrelatable because she flaunts her wealth it’s unrelatable because she seems bored as hell and has nothing to do. Just kinda aimless in life but she’s made her money so she has nothing to work towards I guess.
Me: has no idea who this Haley Pham is
Hannah: mentions that she made a video about Haley complaining about her European vacation
Me: “Oh, THAT girl.”
Sameee 🤣🤣
🙋 me too, and imma watch this 3x, lol
Same here 😂😂😂
Same
same
Haley needs to understand that she's not a business woman, she's just a rich person with enough money to keep trying things until they're successfull. And that doesn't take any skill, intelligence, or talent it just takes money.
yes!! her money came from her being pretty and some pretty basic editing. there’s no shame in that, but she needs to stop acting like she made any real business choices that justifies her trying to sell/produce stuff now
thankfully someone said it
@@evew6161 you don't need to dismiss her success like that lol comes off kind of jealous.
@@io2255 no it comes off as honest.
@@io2255 like?? what success?? Her businesses keep flopping! Retro reprise? Most of her channel series ideas??
i kind of want Smokey Glow to look at my life and analyze me in this way because God knows i could use her type of constructive criticism
Lmao same
Bwhahahahaha this lmao
Lol
She absolutely has no genuine awareness of her actions. Just like her “business ventures,” her capability to feel the need to make a change is fleeting. Sucks to see it happen, but it makes sense. She is not a good voice for her young audience, unfortunately.
Here's a weird request, can you do an evolution of your own content? Obviously you can't do an unbiased analysis but I'd like to see you talk about your RUclips career and what brought you to where you are now. I think that would be very interesting to watch, although maybe not to make
Ooh, or she and Elle S should do a collab where they analyze each other's evolutions!
Yessss!!!!
I would love that
I know some people have mentioned this in the comments, but I don't think it was said in the video so I'll give my two cents on it. Not too long before Ryan and Haley got engaged, Haley was apparently having doubts about the relationship and her personal trajectory in life. (It kinda seemed like she wanted to ... hit pause lmao.) Supposedly, she actually took a "break" from the relationship, but that only lasted for a day or two. And then, bam, next thing you know Ryan's proposing to her. I don't know about y'all, but that seemed a little alarming. It's one thing to be like, "Ugh, my boyfriend and I had a tiff earlier about doing the dishes so I'm spending the night at a hotel," and a completely different thing to be like, "I'm so young and I've been in this serious, public relationship, but I don't know if this is what I really want right now or where I want to go in life currently." (Paraphrasing, of course.) So to know that she was having those pretty deep doubts about their relationship and her personal path in life and her career and then suddenly got engaged was eyebrow-raising for me. Definitely not her fault for ANYTHING of what I'm saying; there's absolutely nothing wrong with questioning your relationship OR wanting to get engaged. But I will say it was rather worrying.
I'll also add this: I feel like a lot of times, Haley is the one catching the most criticism for their relationship "shenanigans" when Ryan is also part of the couple? And he's also the older (thus, presumably more mature) one in the relationship! (I'm talking about the backlash of buying a mansion so young, moving in together before getting married [which I don't see anything wrong with but a lot of deeply religious people do], and getting engaged so soon in a relationship.) I know that Ryan definitely hasn't had many scandals or controversies on his own compared to Haley, but when it comes to their relationship, Ryan is still pretty young but he's also mature enough to "know better" about certain things. So why doesn't anyone ever criticize him as well? I'm not saying he DESERVES to be picked on like Haley is, but it does seem rather odd.
I feel like a lot of it has to do with sexism. girls are usually criticized more for relationships then guys. that's probably why people criticize haley more then ryan
@@clownclouds8295 100% ryan's also hopped from trend to trend and business to business and was involved in most controversies haley was involved in but ryan gets a safe pass. no wonder his age demographic is much younger, besically 13 year olds while haley's is around 16-18 year olds
ryan gives me centrist democrat vibes and haley gives me republican ignorance vibes lmao... it’s weird.
@@mitralouw9696 Lol yeah, I think Ryan is relatively chill, but Haley seems a bit unaware of particular things and her religious views have given her a more conservative perspective perhaps
@@clownclouds8295 Yeah, 100%. It's like people always expect more out of the woman in a straight relationship and don't hold the same expectations for the guy
Her lack of education on sexual health and birth control makes me very, very worried for her future. I truly wish her the best and hope she'll take the steps to educate herself, but right now it's a YIKES from me.
She states that she is not educated on that subject, and wanted to just have a girl talk when it came to birth control.
I hope she doesn't have kids tbh... jsut based on what I've just learned about her
@@AllyGamez15 I mean, she can state the fact that she’s not educated on the topic all she wants, but it still doesn’t make it okay 🤷🏻♀️ Does she ever explain WHY she isn’t educated on basic sexual health and contraception? She’s an adult woman, who has access to plenty of good-quality resources for learning about these things. It’s concerning that she (and many other people) don’t just take 5-10 minutes and learn the basics, when they have the resources...
@@justanotheranonymousaccoun6365 she was bouncing ideas off of her friend and asking for advice from her subscribers? She did mention some facts she researched, but again, that doesn't make her educated on it. People can talk about their experiences on the internet.
Stating she isn't educated/ the video isn't for educational purposes allows people to realize, do not take that video as a resource, etc.
Y'all need to stop taking everything people do on the internet and microanalyzing it...think for yourself and do proper research
@@justanotheranonymousaccoun6365 also it was a topic that was mentioned candidly (originally on a podcast), it was not a topic that was thought out thoroughly.
I think she did make a video as well about the patch, and her experience with it. I did not see anything wrong with that, because it was her experience. She also mentioned what she learned about "natural" way (tracking ovulation) which again she stated what she found on it, and how she was going to do it.
Again these are for entertainment purposes and she never claims to be an expert and also I believe she mentioned that there is always a change to still get pregnant using that method.
Obsessed with this series!
heyyy luke love uuu
Hi Luke!! ❤️
Love your channel
Ohhhh yeaaaah
Same
in a recent video where she bleached her hair she was like “i wanna be, like, the edgy friend! i wanna get tattoos and wear edgy clothing”. literally a facade, just like her “business woman” phase she’s in. all so cringe
She just doesnt know who she is hince the hopping from phase to phase to truely find who she is and what shes about
it's sad really. She needs to take time away from social media and 'trends' and actually find herself.
This sort of thing is normal for teenagers. The issue is she broadcasted her personality changes and now no one thinks she's genuine
@@Amsayy i’m 21 and tooooons of people around me (and me!) go through these phases too. The difference is that we don’t have the money to waste on experimenting with these phases, and thousands of people ready to watch. Facing the beginning of adulthood with a lower paying job has made all the difference for me.
And her going through all of these phases just shows that she is not the mature adult that she aspires to be. All of her teen years were just her wanting to be mature and she never had any normal teen rebellious things that she did if that makes sense (?)
she had an unmasked wedding with 50+ people while my friend couldn't go to her grandpa's funeral. yes, sounds very fair to me.
This!!!! We couldn’t see my grandpa who was in hospice and then after he passed away we couldn’t even have a funeral but people are getting married and partying it’s so selfish
!!!! exactly! I attended my grandmother's funeral on zoom but she had a giant wedding instead of waiting.
yeas but ask authorities about that not her!! I mean, why is she responsible for that?
@@danamaximilian3998 because she made the decision too
@@m.josena4485 this makes NO SENSE. How does it makes her responsable for your pain? Is this kind of a joke in a parallel universe?? Millions of people are acting corageously by not wearing masks because some fools decided that and then also they decided it is ok not to wear because masks are no good. And now, she is the one to blame because authorities abused your human rights?
we need a video on simply nailogical she is one of the very channel who have been there for over 5 years and still is pretty relevant WITHOUT ANY CONTROVERSY
Honestly, agreed
as someone who’s been watching her since 2016 (and before polish mountain) i’ve found it very interesting how she’s been able to change the type of content she makes pretty organically
Yeah it would definitely be interesting. Her channel is very chill and she seems really sweet while doing what she loves alone in her room. Plus her cats adorable.
I think the only thing that rubs me the wrong way is the podcast with Ben where they seem pretty judgy about ppl who don't go to college, get a good "adult" job, and like settle down in adulthood? when most of those avenues are closed off to so many young ppl by health, money, or location. Like they can seem pretty tone deaf because all that stuff worked out for them so why should it be hard for the youths.
@@withcharmtospare I do remember them saying that in context to youtubers who were able to become successful and promoting the lifestyle that dropping out of school =success. They had mentioned several times that they understand college isn’t for everyone, but they also don’t think that only doing RUclips is sustainable in a long run
@@withcharmtospare they don’t hate or judge those who don’t do real jobs they just said they influence thousands of teenage and those youtubers like Jake paul they have created a image that you can be a millionaire just by being a youtuber or school is trash
I think the problem is that Haley thinks she knows everything. I know she talked about going to therapy but I believe she stopped because her therapist was getting to her core and she doesn't want to change.
Ugh. Why are you guys doing this. Please don't talk as if you know her
I remembering seeing a post of hers on my ig explore page with the caption “the way texas is handling the snow is so wholesome” or something like that and one of the picture was like a gratitude journal where she wrote “snow day” that tells me everything I need to know about her.
As someone living in Texas who had friends going without heat and food for days,,, Yikes 😬
literally I saw her post after sitting in my apartment with no water for 12 hours just what the FUCK we are not in the same texas right now
Yep, I'm from TX also and the winterstorm was not something to play with!! I hope we never go through anything like that again.
Btw..
Texans before the snowstorm:Alright! We get to see snow!
Texans after the snowstorm: F this snow and this crap! I'm OVER it!
Extremely tone deaf; and was trying to sell her stupid mugs as well. Like people don’t need mugs they need water and power....
I know you missed a huge chunk because haley deleted a lot of her vlogging videos, but her channel “tippies life" BLEW her up in the dance community. literally everyone in the community knew her. once she got "clout" on her regular channel and quit dance, she lost so much interest. she came off as unrelatable and snobby, which was so weird. I used to love her
I had no idea she had a whole dance channel
It was so hard finding stuff like that so thank you for adding another piece to the puzzle! 🥰
Her dance competitions vlogs are how I found her on RUclips
She inspired me to try out for my studios comp team my senior year of hs even though I’d only done competing figure skating and been consistently taking dance classes for a couple years. She was only a year younger but she was the one RUclips who I found was the most similar to me, basically dedicating every waking moment to your sport and it becomes your identity. And then then we both found ourselves outside of those sports but ended up being very different people
I swear I literally grew up on that channel it’s so weird to see how she is now
To be fair, she's at that age when you don't know what you want to do and you change your mind about your future every week. The only difference is that she has the money to actually start doing the random ideas she gets.
I think that's exactly the reason why she should look into going to college again. Many people in the comments mentioned she would probably benefit from a degree in business or something similar and I totally agree. I mean, I get that college isn't the best for everyone but I think something other than youtube and being an influencer would really help her sort those random ideas out. (Obviously doesn't have to be business, but I think regarding how she sees herself as like a business woman it would make the most sense lmao.)
And she got married.
I agree with you big time. I honestly never watched any of her content til a month ago. It’s okay (nothing spectacular) but I was surprised to see this backlash. But after watching this video in full, all I see is a less-well-off girl trying to figure life out now that she has money and responsibilities and an audience she has to be mindful of.
People say stupid stuff all the time without googling. They’re tone deaf. They just don’t have millions plus eyes watching their every move. Sounds like she makes a lot of mistakes and just needs to slow down to learn from them.
Hannah just made me realize the Millenial/Gen Z split isn't determined by what year you were born, but by whether you, as a child, idolized a youtuber or idolized Avril Lavigne.
I’m Gen Z and I idolized Avril 😂
I mean, I'm one of the younger millenials and I'm sure I share more experiences with older gen z people than people who were born in the 80s
@@xcobmi yeah, i mostly meant it as a joke. i was born right at the end of millennial/beginning of gen z, so i definitely feel like i relate to both and also neither
@@cady4917 yeah I got that :) Avril is obviously an icon
see ya L8er boy
After she whined and said she was pure so she shouldn’t get sti was when I lost all respect for her.Just because someone sleep around doesn’t mean they deserve a life long health issue from it
it's so funny how sour she feels with her decision of abstaining till marriage ... like just do what you want girly and let others do wtv they want
Imagine thinking you’re too good to get a yeast infection.
umm i think "sleeping around" and simply having a sex life are two different things but yeah i get what you're saying. i can't stand people like her. like by all means do whatever you want with your life but don't act like you're better than everyone else just because you're waiting until marriage. the purity stuff is so harmful imo...
@@user-bn1lb8ey9v yea
@@user-bn1lb8ey9v Purity culture is so toxic
i feel like ryan and haley are trying to live this “perfect lifestyle” marriage, home, pets, remodeling homes. but they aren’t happy, i can tell there’s going to be a divorce at some point because i don’t feel like it’s gonna last
yeah. They are each others first serious relationship and they moved sooo fast i was suprised. I think Hailey just wanted to start the perfect wife life so she just picked her first opportunity to settle down.
considering they have a very religious-based relationship (or at least haley does) makes me think that they will stay together but begin to resent their choices and take some time off the internet.
Ma’am, speak life and just see what happens. No hate btw.
One thing that I feel like is really important to talk about is the people in Haley’s life, because let’s be honest, the people in her life have failed her. It’s obvious that she has no one in her life anymore to tell her the harsh truths and to tell her ‘no’ when she needs to hear it. When her parents got divorced, it seems like she lost the people who were supposed to take care of her and mentor her. Now, the roles are flipped and Haley takes care of her mom. Do you really think her mom is gonna disagree with Haley and tell her she shouldn’t do this or that when Haley is literally providing for her and got her a condo? Also, just going off of video content so who knows what happens in real life, but it seems like Ryan never really tells Haley ‘no’, and she is always in the right. We need to remember that Haley is really just a kid who is going through a rough patch in her life. She was thrown into a position that no one her age should have to deal with and has understandably suffered and made very poor decisions because of it.
Omg I said this when the whole thing with Greece happened and no one else echoed my sentiments. If you don’t have a strong village of people who can notice and call you out when you are being tone deaf or making a bad decision, that’s not a group to surround yourself with. Her parents, Ryan, and her friends don’t hold her accountable, so of course she wouldn’t be receptive to strangers on the internet holding her accountable.
Also she doesn’t have much real world experience. She dropped out of high school and didn’t get a GED equivalent, she hasn’t worked a normal job other than RUclips, and she now lives isolated in the outskirts of Austin, so that also plays a big part
She better learn to grow tf up before life kicks her ass and teaches her this shit itself
@@vepri9421 her life is just getting started actually
exactly. it seems like she cut off her friendships with people leading different lifestyles and so now everyone around her is enabling it and not calling her out
i feel like haley goes through these phases where she becomes super obsessed with something for a little bit and then just abandons it out of nowhere? like she had her retro reprise, her podcast, the traphamily channel, and now the interior design thing. and like when she starts one of these “phases” most of her energy/content revolves around it. lots of comments on the videos of the house renovation were saying that it seemed not genuine so i’m guessing that she started her house flipping/interior design phase, started the house thing, and now is bored of it but she’s too far in to quit her obsession now.
Exactly, she’s just like any teenager/ young person who goes through hobbies and phases and interests. For example you might get really into yoga for a couple of weeks because you saw it on instagram and liked the aesthetic, but then go off it after a while. She’s young and she’s trying to find out who she is just like anybody would, the only issue is that unlike a normal teenager, she has so much money that it isn’t just small hobbies and interests she picks up, it’s businesses and large expensive projects that require commitment she isn’t prepared to give. Where one 20 year old might pick up journaling for a while and eventually lose interest, Haley decides to renovate a B&B just because she has the resources to do so.
But haven’t you heard? She’s a 7 on the enneagram 🙄. Every time she deigns to respond to this critique that’s her response, saying 7s are “creative” and “very ambitious” but “change often”. It’s like she took a personality test, added money to it and called it her own personality.
Can someone tell me where they got the idea to make mugs 😭😭
@@threesugarssevensugars exactly!
I personally don't see the problem in finding and learning new things to try out? Everyone has phases when they're obsessed over a new craft/hobby, hers are just publicized for the world to see. A lot of creators are in the rut of having to produce the same content since that's what their fanbase is built on, and eventually, lose the passion in it. Changing her hobbies and what her content is centered around, in my opinion, is perfectly natural. She's extremely young and has gained a hefty amount of money very quickly, therefore her content is a reflection of the combination of the two.
it was so weird to me that a lot of her content was planning and studying related and she went to a nice charter school and then she jus dropped out
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YES!! also your name is killing me lmao
I feel like they rushed to get married during a global pandemic because they wanted to have sex.
100%
🎯🎯🎯
Even if so they could’ve just went to the courthouse 🙄 like they are terrible
That's always what it is with the waiting-till-marriage folk
@@TiyasBMenon-td4ti not really
I think that Haley and Ryan are going to keep the wedding thing a secret until the pandemic is almost over and then lie that they were COVID safe and stuff
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Yeah I think they're waiting for people to kind of forget about it and be distracted by the fact that it's over so they don't get as much backlash and I feel like there will be a huge group of people who won't care that they held that mask free wedding because we got out of it so they won't think it actually mattered that they did it in the first place
and it’s gonna backfire on them
I’m wondering if they are gonna do a fake second wedding post-covid and pretend the first one never happened.
Yeah I think they may do that too.
I think that Ryan Trahan's content has changed a lot too, from more genuine feeling commentary to clickbaity crappy videos :/
yessss!! I used to love his content so much but it really went downhill
Yuppp
literally i can’t watch his new vids they’re like david dobrik but texas
@@fishpilgrim i know right?! So disingenuous imo 😒
I loved his videos until a little after they started dating
if she went to college and got a degree in business management or a similar area she would really really benefit. just throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks isn't indicative of a strong work ethic or business savvy mindset, but it isn't impossible to do what she's trying to do.
it is if you have money unfortunately
honestly the problem is the “holier than thou” and “super mature” mindset they THINK they have
Literally as a Christian I don’t think y’all hate it more than I do 💀 Everyone’s a sinner. It’s literally in the Bible. We are all in same boat when it comes to sin. Nobody is better than anyone else. And the super mature content is honestly soooo toxic for teenage girls again speaking from experience.
imagine if colleges/professors welcomed this kind of content as assignments. very professional, well edited & executed, and you can tell you’re interested in the topic!! you are also so well spoken
Excited for this!! 1) you’re makeup is PARTICULARLY *chef’s kiss* today and 2) Haley Pham is one of the very few RUclipsrs I used to be a big fan of and ended up unsubscribing before any major drama just because the vibes went sour
Same.... Saddddd
I remember a vlog where she was talking about how people shouldn't go to college. She said since she didn't have to go college and is super successful, people shouldn't go. It's almost like we all are lucky enough to become successful RUclipsrs and quit our jobs. It was so annoying to hear her talk about her success without acknowledging that she is fucking rich and has the privilege to skip school and not have to work at Starbucks and focus on her own business. What sucks, even more, is that she knows what it's like to be poor and struggle. She is just a rich bitch now. Eat the rich kids... EAT THE RICH.
LITERALLY THIS!
Eat the rich! ✊
Ikr???? It's like the waterd down version of someone saying they won the lottery so you should definitely quit your job and buy a ticket as well
both of them are very detached from 'nomal ppl'...
Meanwhile if I had her kind of money, I’d go to college for fun. But anyways most would kill to be in her position.
Honestly, as a girl close in age to Haley, I feel for her. I wish she would take these constructive criticisms and start fresh. She seems truly nice and well intended, but can’t seem to be content with who she is/ isn’t. I’d love to support her if she’d just put all this stuff behind her and humble down.
I’m the same age as haley and i think the main thing that bothers me about her is her lack of self awareness and how mature she tries to present herself as. She wants to seem so much older than she actually is which is why I think she’s doing all these things like getting married, starting businesses, renovating houses, but at the end of the day she doesn’t have the actual level of maturity to match the way she tries to come off and so it just seems slightly embarrassing. Her and Ryan are so young at the end of the day and nobody expects them to be engaging on these business ventures so it just gives the impression of when a small child puts their mum’s heels on and pretends to be all grown up. I know me and my boyfriend certainly don’t have the mindset or capability to be doing any of the things her and ryan are doing and neither do they, the only difference is that they have money and they have an audience. I think she so desperately wants to be seen as a mature adult when at the end of the day, she just isn’t there yet.
ryan's older stuff is compelling and entertaining commentary. i discovered him through his collab with danny gonzalez and instantly became a fan. it's crazy how much someone can change whilst on the internet - this tesla stuff hes doing now is plain irritating lmao
edit: you guys in the replies are so right oh my god!!!
His videos with the other Ryan as well were so fun and entertaining and he just makes such different content now
I agree, I miss his old content. I found him a few years ago and loved his commentary videos.
Danny’s video with him is also how I found out about him, and I loved his older content. He’s become the kind of person he used to make fun of :/
@@jackieviramontes5226 yes, I agree exactly. he used to be one of the only people who made me laugh. and now he's changed sm ):
right I remember thinking he was going to be the next cody ko or someone similar to that genre and he would make me laugh and now i cringe watching him
I recently ended my 5 year relationship, he had brought me a ring but thankfully not yet proposed. We went to university together and I had been by his side since i was 17, I turned 23 today. I dropped out of university for the 2nd time just as covid hit last year, and we were separated as he had to work for his dad, I realised that although I had my own flat, I didn't know about bills, I wasn't independent at all, I wouldn't even go to the shops by myself, all of "my friends", weren't really mine at all, they were his, I hadn't learned to drive because my boyfriend could so whats the rush... I ended things not because I no longer loved him, but I realised I never got a chance to truly develop who I was as an individual, I have no social circle of my own, and although I moved out at 18, all I gained was poor mental health (Its better now) and very little experience. I think that's where my concern comes from when I see others marrying young.
It's really important to develop who you are as an individual, I am happy I came to realise that, I hope others acknowledge that too.
I’m glad you better now 💚
I really miss Haley’s old content. She had that relatable spark like Emma chamberlain. However being exposed to all this money, fame, and responsibilities can most definitely change a person which is what we are seeing now.
Honestly getting married in a pandemic is so selfish. If they had to get married go to a court house. I feel like alot of her behaviour recently has been self involved, with a lack of empathy for the real world because she is so privileged? And then the house rental renovation, renting keeps the lower classes without house security and hoards wealth with the already rich. But this is a systemic issue of capitalism so not her fault but the fact she chooses to ignore people who want to educate her on the issues of being a landlord when so many people are financially struggling right now & presenting herself as a charitable person is really contradictory and sad!?
If you let so many of those things and complete strangers dictate your life it would be sad. But I'm sure you wouldn't live to those high standards your self ... And you would crumble under the level of scrutiny and judgement you just spoke on. I guess I'll never get why people think they can judge and dictate others lives just because there on youtube..
@@lanaesworld6976 you would think millions of strangers dying in a pandemic would influence someone's life? I think you do have to consider how your actions impact other people?
I got married during the pandemic. You just keep it small. I also was a landlord to low income people in our area. You have to renovations to keep the house well maintained. She may be renting it now but one day she might want to sell it, but she can’t do that if there are no updates, especially in her area.
@@lisan3460 the point is she doesn't need the money and she can renovate after the pandemic. maintaining a home for safety is totally different then renovations. the renovations are not a necessity and 100% could have waited. weddings can wait. go the courthouse. having a few people at your wedding isn't worth potentially robbing someone of their life. minimize your interaction with other people. unless either of you are terminal or someone at the wedding was terminal, you could have also waited. if you have the vaccine then that's a whole other scenario, but you didn't mention that. you saying that you've done similar things to her doesn't make what she did anymore justifiable. it just makes you look equally as self involved, weddings aren't a necessity nor are home renovations. people are literally DEAD.
@@lanaesworld6976 what's hard about not having a wedding in a global pandemic and not doing home improvements given the record unemployment and eviction/foreclosure rates? who's moving in a time like this?? unless 100% necessity as a result of incidents around the pandemic. an easy google search would tell you people on average are downsizing, not moving into newly renovated homes with teen landlords.
I witnessed a sudden shift in Ryan's content when he started dating Haley. I tapped out because it started to revolve around her. The infatuation stage was really off-putting because I'd been watching this bright young guy, full of ideas, evolve independently and then it just dwindled. All the sudden almost everything was about or involved Haley. I think there is something to be said about two teens coming together at times in their lives when it would be beneficial to go at it alone and discover who they are individually. People really underestimate the power of friendship, which is a major building block in any relationship. Everything does not have to start off romantically.
As you mentioned there were several times when Haley's content pivoted and even more so now. We see her trying on so many different costumes, identities, and ventures because she doesn't know who she is and there's nothing wrong with that. Eventually, hopefully she'll stumble upon herself. However, she's trapped herself in this world of "I'm supposed to be this." "I'm suppose to do that." "I want to be like that." And I think her relationship with Ryan enforces these expectations. Seems like there is no breathing room for the both of them. I hope that they both find themselves and I hope Haley gets the world experience/life experience and education she needs to become a well-rounded person. Also she could use a long break. Live your life offline, sit with yourself for a while.
She is a product of purity culture and on that fact alone I will never vibe with her I always sensed a bad aura from her
period!!
@rebekah Not everyone who waits till marriage is invested in “purity culture” - I’m not Christian or even particularly religious but I’m waiting till marriage bc it’s something I’ve thought about and it’s my choice. Haley has made disparaging remarks about girls who don’t wait but not everyone is judgy or self-hating about it
@@hayatidk I think that's exactly what purity culture is though? its the toxic part of that community, usually religious, that bases a woman's worth on her "purity". I'd say the sex positive community ironically are the ones who are best with this topic, its all about choice (whether you want to wait or hoe it out). its more about agency over yourself rather than sexist bs about purity.
@@nalad9387 That’s exactly what I said, that not everybody who waits is a part of purity culture, they’re two diff things & there are lots of girls who wait but also hate purity rhetoric
yeah, as soon as i heard her getting married so soon i connected the dots. wish her the best.
Don't know who she is but I'm here.
Same
Lmao same
Glad I'm not alone.
Same..
Me for 99% of these evolution of *takes seat* 🤣🤣🤣
i think haley is like a sponge and completely embodies whatever she enjoys at the time and i think her perfectionism makes her take it to extremes. this would be completely fine but it isn't the best way to be as a business person since it makes her so wishy washy and ultimately unreliable.
omg this is so well said
It’s almost like she’s actually just a teenager going through phases even though she claims to be a “mature adult”
@@kyla1411 thats exactly what it is. she needs to allow herself to go through the phases without making such big commitments until she's settled with what she's comfortable with.
Incredibly true. Became first evident when she threw herself into whatever interest her current boyfriend had. Dance when she was with Sam. Rock climbing and PC gaming when she was with gabe. RUclips and business when she started seeing Ryan. I feel like she just lost herself somewhere along the way and hasn’t spent enough time alone to find it again
@@JustCakie wow i didnt even consider that. but yeah id agree. she was so young when she was with sam and she really didnt give herself time to grow into her own person.
This is comment isn’t just pertaining to Haley but I feel like being 20 and married is so incredibly young. You have no idea who you are. I’m 25 now and looking back at my 20 year old self, I’m so glad I spent it focusing on my friends and myself. I know a lot of people do it for religious purposes but ugh I can’t help but just see them as babies.
Honestly, I'm only a couple years older than her and I agree with this comment. I have a boyfriend but we're definitely not ready to get married yet
agree completely. i’m 26 and just got married and literally still feel like that’s young to be married 😂😂 even though like everyone from my high school is already married for several years and have 1 or 2 kids.
I agree, I’m 20 right now and even thought I live and study abroad away from my family, I still feel more like a teenager instead of an adult, even thought my life has some aspects of adulthood in it. 20 is so so young, I could never imagine myself getting married right now, it seems like at this age you’re still discovering yourself and what you want to do with your life, not settle down and make a life long commitment to somebody else...
if i had married who i was dating when i was 20- oh my god
Most 20 year olds are juniors in college. It’s very very young
Would love a video on your thoughts about why men are at the top of the beauty, hair and skincare community. Just think it’s interesting and I’m curious to hear your thoughts
Agreed!
Omg I keep thinking about it, and this thought occurred to me even yesterday, I would love someone to do a video on it.
My guess is it’s gender roles and misogyny. Women are expected to know makeup, it’s an anomaly if a man “does makeup”. Add on the whole “men have more authority and male attention is valuable” attitude and the seemingly being underdogs in a women dominated space, and you get a majority women space led by men
@@kathrynvincent1563 exactly! Also most of the "traditional" make up/skin care/fashion brands were founded/owned by men, as well as many of the specialists in these areas were men. It's really an illusion that they used to be women centered areas; it's mainly just that most of their public were women!
No matter what you’re talking about, I’m always so impressed with how well spoken you are. You talk so concisely and confidentially and I really admire that
I feel so conflicted about Haley, mostly because I'm worried about her. I started watching her when she was doing the Plan with Pham style videos and really enjoyed all of her content. I stopped watching her content for no particular reason in the beginning of 2019 and then the whole Greece thing happened and everything seems like a mess, specially her. Since she's supporting her mom and didn't go to college, I feel like she thinks she needs to keep this career going at all costs, but her content revolved around her life when she was 16, so now she has no idea of what to post. She tries to grab her old audience, but shes not 16 in her room making videos about dance anymore. She tries to grab a new audience, but doesn't know how to appeal to it when half of the internet just sees her as a spoiled child. In reality, I think she's completely lost, nobody takes her seriously and has nobody to guide her. She's trying to fix all of that in front of an audience that will criticise her every move and she needs to please that audiece while also having no idea how to do it. When you pair this with the fact that she's a huge prefectionist, you get what's happening now: a flip flop between ideas that she either doesn't fully love, her audience doesn't love or both. I feel like the only way to fix this right now is taking some time off to go to therapy, find herself, work through trauma that she has accumulated over these years and find what she trully wants to do with her channel and herself. Trying to figure herself out on camera is not going well and I really hope she finds her niche and her passion for youtube again.
She needs to take some of that money she's earned and study dance at a community college, make videos about that. That's the kind of content I would be interested in.
(I also hope she had a financial advisor)
Okay maybe not make videos about it. Definitely go to therapy too. Agreed.
This is such an important, empathetic view wow
@@kat8559 i honestly just think she needs to do something for herself and not for views you know? She's been trying to do things for an audience this whole time and it's taking a tool on her. I went to check out her vlog channel after watching this video and the new video is filled with comments about how they just want her to be honest and herself again, but how is she supposed to do that when there's been a whole movie lenghth video made about her life at detail, nitpicking and critiquing every bit of it. It made some good points, sure, but talking about someone's marriage and finances when those are clearly soft spots for her is too much. She doesn't even know herself anymore I think, so how is she supposed to show who she is? I do agree that her going to a dance college would be a great start if that's what she wants to do, but just trying to fix things and not making content out of it would be nice
i liked haley and ryan seperately for years. they started dating and they changed a bit, but most people and creators do when they get in a relationship, so i didn't really mind. but around 2018 they both started to loose touch. i feel bad because i'm proud of the progress she has made and the company she has created, but at the same time her fans are the ones who got her there and she seems to be really detached and out of touch with them now. people get famous on youtube all the time and still keep their personality and their relatability to some point, but i feel like haley hasn't been able to do that. her youtube just seems like an ad for how great her life is and she just seems very aloof to her fans
100% don’t think they will ever address the wedding. They didn’t care to begin with. Why would they care now. She got what she wanted and that’s all she cares about. That’s all that matters to her.
we just got baited while they made the money from the series
They did! Yesterday, It was a pretty lame video with a also lame sort of apologize.
@@kuramacabre i actually liked the apology but an apology means nothing without action. when they start being their normal self and not act mature and better than the average person because they're youtubers, and be authentic with good content, i'll support them again. the apology was a good start tho and they agreed that they had no excuse which was good that they were aware
@@af2954 On one hand it seemed genuine, but on the other hand, it took 5 months for it to come out so
She’s trying to become that couple who has home decor at target.
YEP
LOL THE HGTV COUPLES
They have literally called themselves Chip and Joanna tbh it’s kinda concerning
@@lunaas1029 💀💀💀just wow
Hey now target decor is cute 😭
I haven't finished the video yet but I really hope you talk about how dangerous her message of "only unpure girls get yeast infections" is (this isnt verbatim what she said but along the lines)
Like there is already a huge stigma surrounding women's reproductive health and how the only thing that can throw it off is s*x and that's not true and a really horrible thing to promote to her young audience...
She mentions it around the 30 min mark :) that’s honestly what made me stop watching Haley. I haven’t been able to see her the same since. I’m sure it’s a symptom of her religious upbringing, but she has no reason not to educate herself about it.
yes I completely agree
Mindblowing that people would believe that. was on 1,200 milligrams of antibiotics earlier this year, how was I supposed to not get a yeast infection? 🤣😆 Things happen, Haley.
And anyone can get yeast infections, not only if you have a vulva. Are men unpure if they get them?
@@technicolorbarf6734 wait men can get yeast infections?? I didn’t know that actually 😂
i feel so sad for her especially when you started talking about what happened to her in 2018. she's this 18 year old kid who suddenly got big on youtube for being this relatable teen, she had a good life, and then she gets into trouble in school, her parents get divorced, her mom loses her job, she's the only one supporting them financially, she's lost academically/career wise, stopped dance. you don't go through that stuff and remain a relatable teen because she just grew up too fast in that one year. she's still immature because of lack of experience but she's also had to put on this role of the adult. i feel bad for her
haley has honestly always kinda given off the 'wannabe' vibe imo. not that its her fault, she seems deeply insecure and i have a funny feeling she has A LOT of unresolved trauma thats getting brushed to the side in the name of career and religion.
I low key feel bad for her. She’s been on the internet for forever so she just doesn’t know who she is
I think one of the more interesting points you made is that she started becoming the content she consumed, and one of those content creators she was consuming was Gabi DeMartino and her "fancy vlogs". I strictly remember in one of her videos Haley would watch Gabi almost every night. They say you are a mixture of the 5 people you surround yourself with. It's almost like she has became Gabi but with her twist on it with the materialism. (but this is just my opinion lol)
Gabi is a mess so I’m not surprised Haley went down the same route....
I remember watching one of her vids and she said that. I believe it was a early traphamily vid
🤔 That’s an interesting point. Maybe certain things Gabi would’ve done that didn’t align with her faith she opted out/away from? Her style did remind me of Fancy Vlogs a bit.
I used to watch Gabi on and off until recently (the onlyfans thing), I never got into the Kardashian’s but kind of viewed Gabi as a “YT alternative”... Idk, I’m close in age to her and I liked some aspects of her aesthetic but I’ve found other creators that are more grounded (I guess) lately.
Oh my, you’re totally right. I didn’t notice the issue until now but they’re both young girls who would pride themselves in their abilities or business
evolution of bestdressed? her channel is always about fashion, but she is changing (even before the hiatus) and i cant point out why
@henley yeah I don’t really even feel like she’s changing her content just her life is changing and people find it less relatable. And people are picking up on this but not realizing that’s the crux of the issue and are getting upset with her maybe. Idk 🤷🏾♂️
I feel it might have to do with the video she did about quarentine that got a lot of backlash and also she may feel unsafe, she literally had to move out of her appartment because someone knew exactly where she lived.
@@5ZaI31 that was really scary.
she graduated college basically, she’s growing up and getting a lot of opportunities
I dont think it’s because of money. She doesnt flex her wealth/fame although she does show the thing she can do/buy with her money such as moving to NYC on her own as she wishes and buying expensive equipments for her work. However, I think recent personal life issues and the increase of negative comments are affecting her videos. She did say she was going to therapy a few months ago. And she recently had to move because of a stalker. I hope she’s okay.
Are we going to talk about the fact the Traphamily channel has seemingly been deleted? And the only wedding series vlog that isn’t privated is the proposal?
that makes it even worse! they know they did something wrong but won’t address it
Oh my gosh you’re right
They profited off of all the views, sponsorships, and add revenue had the wedding secretly and in unsafe conditions and then refused to acknowledge it, it ran through my head that they might delete the videos but the fact that they actually went through with it makes them look completely guilty.
yeah i think people started noticing, because they all the sudden stopped posting the wedding series and people were asking questions, that’s the only reason i think they talked about the wedding
I liked ryan when he did commentary but then he switched to challenges and stuff and like I couldn't care less lol
and wtf were those 5 minute david dobrik style vlogs lmaooo
same lol
Same. I found him when he did that collab with Danny Gonzalez and subscribed to him, but then a few weeks later unsubscribed bc his content changed so much in such a short time
@@Colleen10119 yeah same here
honestly i felt like Ryan was being set up to be a big commentary youtuber like danny or drew, but he just dropped it.
Bruh I followed her when she was a 7th grader and I admired her so much. It’s kinda disappointing the direction she went in.
dude me too. I felt like we grew up with her bc we're the same age
@@melaonade Yasss. She actually inspired me to get into dance. And when she didn’t go to college I had been wondering if it was for me too.
i just looked up her age and wow i didn’t realize that she’s only 20
@@reet7060 That decision should not be based on what a celebrity does. Beyoncé didn’t go to college, that doesn’t mean I’m going to drop out soon from my classes.
@@lisan3460 I hadn’t gone yet. But high schoolers always wonder if college is for them. Didn’t say I actually listened and dropped out or never went😒.
UPDATE: THEY JUST DELETED THE JOINT TRAPHAMILY CHANNEL
whaaaaaaaaat
Yea they did!
say what
I wonder why
@@danic4553 It was causing to much drama. Watch there apology video on Haley’s channel it explains it all!!
ive been watching haley for YEARS. as an extremely overachieving highschool freshman i idolized her like crazy bc of her bullet journaling/grades/school tips and her work ethic... the second she got a little bit of popularity she stopped caring about school and more about a teacher she disliked. i dont think she ever even graduated..... how does someone change that fast?
i remember watching a vid of hers a long while ago talking about how she DID graduate, virtually, but didn’t go to college.
@Hailey K LMAO i never said i believed her. what i SAID was that i remember in a video i saw of hers a long time ago, since i have not watched this girl or even cared for her for 2 years because she wasn’t entertaining, she mentioned that she at least graduated.
me too! i still remember that vlog she did where she skipped school to go to a paid vacation trip with dote. i remember how sad i was watching her video saying she’s not going to college considering she was a really smart student
“Thank god we don’t stay the same as we were during 16, 17” HARD SAME
Im 16 and i hope i change alot im so cringy right now lol
All about that character development baby !!!
lol i'm 17 rn,,, interested to see how i'll change
I would still be under a rock if we were
I’m almost 17 omg😭😭but I mean looking at who I was at the beginning of middle school versus now makes me glad that we do grow and change
I was pretty forgiving for Haley Pham for a while.. but after she bought the house with Ryan and began living there it was just an odd shift into this new lifestyle she had. I didn’t feel like as a viewer I was still her friend she was sharing things with. I feel like the only person I watched for so long who stayed that way was Jenna Marbles who I always felt was just speaking to her audience almost like a friend.
i would loooove an evolution of simply nailogical or Safiya Nygaard both really interesting RUclipsrs over the years
I miss Saf 😢
@@LilieLira wait why what happened to her?
@@m.josena4485 she just went on a mini hiatus because she moved recently to be closer to family as she was struggling mentally (due to quarantine and the pressure of putting out high quality videos more frequently). She seems fine though! She is already working on her next video
please do the evolution of Meredith foster or like just Meredith foster right now cause girl!!!! it's crazy, her mom was one of the people that stormed the capitol
she comes off like super brainwashed too
How do u know that?
About the mom thing?
@@miafranca3399 look about it on reddit, I had no idea and until I was seeing all these horrible comments on her youtube videos and I was like girl what???
@@alysiavanbeverhoudt6514 I'll go check thanks Xo
Just throwing this out here... Evolution of Rhett and Link and their content? Since you've mentioned liking Rhett and Link it would be so fun to do a deep dive on their channels. Their longevity on this platform is so interesting and almost zero scandals in all those years.
Yessss
Yessss
This would be interesting although they have done thier own deep dive through thier content and what shaped parts of thier content on their podcast. although I think what works for them and how they’ve kept a longevity is becuase they have made changes but it all stayed pretty much the same old GMM so if feels like they know what thier audience wants so evolved to make that content better and better but having a lot of familiarity. Something that’d be interesting to talk about is the branching out of GMM and how much it’s grown. As for not having many scandals I really think it’s just that they are genuine people who enjoy RUclips.
I don't know if you ever watched Ingrid Nilsen when she was on RUclips, but she started a candle company called The New Savant. I've been intrigued, but haven't tried them yet.
As a sixteen year old, I think she was so natural in front of the camera because I also grew up on youtube my whole childhood, and we copied the RUclips we liked...
My younger brother has a friend that sounds like she's being influenced in all the wrong ways by someone like Haley. She's obsessed with "building an empire" but when asked wtf that means, she doesn't have an answer. She quotes herself on her social media like she's a wise philosopher but is really just 20 and newly wed lol
She's gonna join an MLM any minute 😂
@@freethegays or start one lol
It’s so jarring when people say “oh back in 2016” because for me the year Trump was elected was the first time I got actively involved in an election and it just seems so fresh and traumatizing for me that it feels like I have had four 2016s in a row.
😭😭😭
So you're 22 now! Woo hoo!
Bro same I was 11😭 that age was when I started trying to learn about politics omg what a time
Don’t know who this is but I’m ready to learn all about her.
Same
well, what did u think? i’m curious
@@poopylifetroll I think this girl should transition her channel into a luxury vlog/review channel if that’s what she likes so much. No she won’t be relatable but people love watching luxury channels and by people I mean me I am people.
Another thing I find so annoying about all these people holding secret weddings during COVID is there is a difference between getting legally married and having a wedding ceremony. Yes, traditionally, most people do them one in the same, but during a time like this, if you want to be legally married sooner (like because you're waiting until marriage to have sex) then you can go down to the courthouse and have a judge marry you, and then have your big wedding once the pandemic has died down. But, you know, freedumb
Yess, my boyfriends sister recently got married and she has a really nice wedding just for them and their two witnesses! It was so beautiful, they had a palace all for themselves, and no virus!!
My best friend was supposed to have the big wedding last year and kept having to put it off so they finally just did the courthouse thing with their friend officiating. We'll still do the big ceremony later
@@livaaispure1827 aww that sounds gorgeous :')
yes exactly, and they live in texas with such a huge population,it was super insensitive
That’s what my parents did lol.
To go on when you talked around 28 mins, it’s like when Adelaine Morin was talking about “losing a lot of money” from the big bear trip and also in the same trip saying she bought a “cheap” 500 dollar hot tub.....
i'm so confused about who her content is for? it's kind of unrelatable even to me, a 23 year old--i couldn't imagine being 16 and watching this.
As a teen myself, I'm not quite sure what her age demographic is exactly. It seems like she just hops around with content and random people just follow along for a bit and then they just leave? I feel like this confusion really showcases her as a person though and the decisions she has made because there seems to be people of all age groups-ish that are somehow still more mature than her if that makes sense
yeah I'm 18 and I can't relate to her content or her life at all, idk who her audience is
I’m the same age as her, I liked for a bit but then I would go on and off because her content kind of fluctuates. It seems like she’s going through an identity crisis and after all of her scandals it’s hard to watch her.
Mia Maples is the complete opposite of Haley Pham tbh. She’s genuine, always growing, and always has a balance of videos of what she wants to do on her channel and then also doing what her fans want to see.
I LOVE MIA
YES and she is so sooo creative
YES. MIA IS GREAT 😌
i love her, shes so down to earth!
U should do Bethany Mota bc she was like an og beauty guru and I used to be obsessed w her
Yeah that’d be cool, she was the first RUclipsr I ever watched and I remember her collaborating with Aeropostale! I don’t know if she’s still doing RUclips now but she’s in a relationship with a guy from so you think you can dance and if I’m not mistaken I think they’re engaged?
@@taragold6457 D-Trix!! It looks like they are engaged! Never would have expected those two people to be together but they're so cute!
She was one of the first influencers to hit mainstream success. Either her huge aeropostle line with billboards in Times Square, and then being in the finals of Dancing with the Stars
BRO I LOVED HER!! I like grew up on her, I'm 18 now and watched her religiously in middle school.
Her morning and night routines give me all the feels.
“it feels like you’re getting whiplash from following her career moves” lmaooo so true everytime i try to tune in to her videos again, i feel like she’s so passionate abt a new thing. it’s confusing
I love how you portray her as a person/ teenager navigating through life rather than just good or bad👏
"I wanted to be Avril Lavigne". Same, Hannah. He was a boy... she was a girl...
cannot make it anymore obvious
he was a punk
she did ballet
what more can i say
he wanted her.... she'd never tell...
that secretly she wanted him as well
All of her friends, stuck up their nose...
Omg yes I made a video called “The Evolution of best.dressed and her content” inspired by you and literally after I finished it I was like “I hope Hannah does Haley next😂”
I loved your video on bestdressed. It was ridiculously well researched and articulated. I appreciate it :):)
@@ananyatandon2476 Thanks so much!