10 years ago, I bought this wonderful and fast Intel i5-2500 processor. It was not the best on the market, but still had the best cost-performance ratio. I only replaced it this year, because it was the first computer I considered Good Enough. Now in Geekbench 6, it has single-core performance of 587 and multi-core performance of 1707. Raspberry Pi 5 on video has better single core performance and similar multi-core performance. We should appreciate that moment. I just wish that one beautiful day, I'll wake up, and there exists a Laptop bare bones with a slot for Raspberry Pi 5. 🛌💻👀💫
ExplainingComputers recently did a video doing benchmarks between the pi 4 and pi 5. It would be awesome to get your scores on the same benchmarks for the 3Ghz Pi 5. Adding the scores for an overclocked pi 4 would be a cherry on top.
They already have the tooling in place to switch to 8nm, Eben said this was just a cost decision so it won't be long until 8nm is cost effective for them. Rockchip are on 8nm.@@user-qy2wf2lt6v
I just want to say thank you for all of your hard work on reviewing and testing all kinds of hardware during these years. I look forward to watching your videos
With the price of Raspberry Pi 5 now it is no longer a cheap hobbiest board. Been reading a lot of articles and seeing comments on how many people are done with PIs and have gone the pc route and are using virtual machines instead. It was fun while it lasted.
$60 is still cheaper than anything comparable. And Once they release the 2GB version that one will be $45 which is a sweet spot for me. Emulation doesn't need RAM anyways.
Well, if you are trying to learn software development and managing linux, then a Pi is probably the wrong thing to begin with, especially if you already have a PC. But, if you are tying to learn robotics, physical computing, etc, then a Pi or similar is the way to go.
@PutlerHuyIo i did not find any pi 5 for 60 dollars. i bought a tiny pc that can do all that and more ,right now i'm gettinhmg ready to install debian and windows 11
Still unable to get the Pi4? I think they refilled some stock (although not by much?). At least where I live some stores that were with very low stock or just out of it, seemed to have refilled a bit
I saw Jeff's comment on another rpi 5 overclocking video, and he explained that the rpi5 that he got was relatively older, and it's possible that other reviewers got more up to date units, so more representative of the consumer units. The video I saw Jeff's comment was able to do 3.1 on the cpu and 1000 on the gpu
@benargee true, I completely understand silicone lottery, but early preproduction units are usually less capable of good overclocks as not everything has been finalized
@@sovo121216nm isn't ancient, it's cheap and dependable. For low-end chips in budget hardware it makes a lot of sense to go for something like this. Intel has 20nm-class parts launching as a part of Meteor Lake this year, used because it's a dirt cheap node that can make interposers for cheap. My best guess is something like TSMC 12nm or Samsung 8nm for a next-gen Pi6, as by then both of those nodes will be close to the age of this 16nm process.
@@DigitalJedi It is ancient for general purpose computing, of course you will have washing machines using a worse process. And it isn't cheap either, or at least the RPi Foundation isn't making it cheap, the RPi5 base model is almost twice the price of the base RPi4. For a little bit more you can get the Orange Pi 5 with the 8nm RK3588, which is a lot more powerful than the RPi5.
@@sovo1212 According to Broadcom the BCM2712 is made by TSMC on their 16nm process node, which is only just now a 7-yeah-old node. That's not a very old node all things considered, given that Nvidia's Ampere cards were made on an almost 3-year-old node at Samsung and Intel stuck to 14nm for almost 7 years as well. It's obviously not going to be as cheap as 28nm used for the Pi4, but given that TSMC is actively trying to get customers off nodes that age this is probably as cheap as they could get it.
I cannot wait to get my hands on it. I got 9 pi 4 4gb running various things. My emulator is overclocked to 2.25ghz with an ice cooler. Can't wait to order a bunch of these and overclock
This is an embarrassment to the Pi foundation to release SBC that drops frames on 1080p RUclips video in 2023. Pi5 is not the only SBC available on the market and we have alternatives that run better than the Pi5.
If it can't even play 1080p/60 without dropped frames, it's still junk hardware. This is 2023, not 2013...ETA Prime needs to stop being a shill for poor hardware that's even more expensive and has a small fan that will eventually need replacing.
This is an amazing piece of hardware but I would like a comparison of similar intel chips that consume the same amount of watts on windows and compare performance I personally love that this chips is so efficient and can get amazing emulation but let's see the competition with intel celeron laptop chips that consume the same watts
11 watts with a fan going is going to be a rough number to compete against lol. Maybe some old Atom chips or whatever they call the new Atom's these days, but to get in that range you're going to likely spend more than the pi costs so price will factor in there too
The competitor to this chip is the Intel N100 and N200, the former is a 3.4ghz quad-core (4x Gracemont) at 6W and the latter will do 3.7ghz. Either one should outpace the Pi5, but the MSRP of just the N100 is already more than this Pi setup can cost, at $128. For that extra money though you get x86, an Intel NPU (Gaussian accelerator 3.0), AVX2, and 9 PCIE3 lanes to the Pi's 1x 2.0. Enough to run any PCIE devices you can think of.
They're better. Don't get me wrong, the chip and SBC concept of the Pi is impressive but it's never been the best value proposition. You could easily get a more powerful whole PC for around the same money. You can even get an under-powered but new intel-based laptop for around this much. Modern atom-tier uses about the same amount of power and performs significantly better. I'm sure you could play back 1080p on less watts using an intel chip.
Are you going to show the true specs of the pi4 on the metric board and how it compares to the pi5? This video and toms hardware shows the original pi4 in its non overclocked state and not the updated firmware version. The pi4 clocks at 1.8ghz stock and goes up to 2.5ghz before it throttles. I think that’s a big deciding metric being left out
Pushing it with a stress test will quickly make the Raspberry Pi 5 thermal throttle (which triggers at 82°C), dropping the CPU speed in an attempt to keep the CPU cool. Under stress, we hit 86.7°C (7 Watts) and saw the CPU throttle from 2.4 GHz down to 1.5 GHz. from toms hardware. at your 76 degrees cel u were pretty much at max limit
likely not, this channel isn't interested in providing hard data comparisons other than benchmarks and emulation FPS. his example of minecraft where he said "I didn't test this non overclocked but here it is anyways, looks good to me" proves he doesn't care enough about providing data to make real decisions on
@@sweatbox128 I’ll make a video. I’ve been noticing some inconsistency. Even followers in one of my retropie gaming groups noticed the toms hard ware over lock was missing the same data
How does box64 perform on it? I would be interested in some tests with box64, Wine and DXVK (and D8VK) to see how older Windows games perform on the Pi5 with emulation. Wine has also gotten a WoW64 implementation a while ago, so you can now run 32 bit Windows games with Wine and box64, without needing a 32 bit environment on the Linux side. P.S. DXVK 2.0 and up needs Vulkan 1.3 but the Pi 5 only seems to support Vulkan 1.2, so DXVK 1.10.3 might be needed.
For DXVK 2.0 I highly doubt that the rpi5 gpu native hw physical support 100% to function correctly Also for Directx12_1 level needed Shaders interlocks fuction for emulated directx rovs . First needed Opengl 3.3/4.x level != DX10/DX11 level.. The broadcom architecture is limited in that aspect compared with other socs vendors i.e NVIDIA tegra , qualcomm adreno , apple m1/m2.
Yeah get yourself some 20 volt tool lithium battery. Pd 12v to 24v input 5v output or what ever car charger. 12 volt car socket that except car adapter. Blade terminals stripper crimper tool.
Watts are watts. If you know it's using 5 volts and you know it's consuming 11 watts under load, you automatically know the current draw. What I mean is it doesn't matter whether it's battery or wall.
Samsung is starting to offer 10nm and 8nm at reasonable rates. I doubt we'll see Broadcom hop on that right away, as they are budget focused and like extremely proven nodes with very reliable supply systems, but other designers like RockChip already have, with the RK3588 being Samsung 8LPP 8nm.
This is virtually impossible, Steam doesn't have any arm64 support, like at all. This could be run inside wine/qemu, but I imagine performance would be abysmal. Like REALLY abysmal. Now if you're running Steam on Windows for Arm, it has native x86/x64 emulation. Performance might be okay for indie games. I can run Celeste decently on my Galaxy Book Go running Windows on Arm. But since there are no graphics drivers for WoA for any existing Pi, I wouldn't expect much there either.
I've just received my Pi5 and editing my /boot/config.txt to overclock it hangs the system, doesn't matter if I put over or underclock values, the system wont boot and there's no way to recover it, not even swapping the sd card to another computer and deleting the added lines from the config.txt file, it needs to get reflashed again to the microsd
its very good small pc, but not good enough as main rig.. main problem with raspberry pi is to find a really useful usecase for it. as for IOT, cheaper RPI Zero is good enough..
Hey, so one of the things i would like to see tested is it's h265 capabilities. I know Moonlight and Parsec use this standard to deliver a 1080p60 ultra low latency. This would be a nice test. Theres also a chrome plugin called h264ify that makes these low end computers play video WAY smoother than original, and me personally i can't live without it. Something else i would like to see, because i'm into vanlife and stuff, is if you could test these with overclock, normal clock, and also underclock, with their respective wattage drawing. And last but not least, i don't know if it is going to be available yet, but since the thruput of the sdcard has been doubled, there's a pcie, and it now has a graphics card, i would like to see Windows 10 tested on it, since these features are going to be my main goal: low wattage remote desktop, heavy youtube/twitch usage, and a full desktop computer substitute. Thanks in advance for reading, and most importantly for all the videos on low end and handheld computers you have been putting out these years. Many of your advices have led my spendings into good harbors. Thanks!
Since they are meant for schools, for kids to use I think they're underclocked to run cool so kids do not burn themsevles, this is why they can be overclocked so high. *Remember to release the heat limits.* I know they had a setting for heat limit, but its been a long time since I've used it, & do not remember it.
When playing videos on RUclips try not to move the mouse. Pi4/5 can 1080p/60. It’s the desktop/Chrome that’s catching it out. If you don’t move the mouse you get fewer dropped frames.
The silicon lottery has probably been rigged in your favour with this pre-release evaluation board. Maybe quality control for general release boards won't be quite as rigorous?
Those are fantastic prospects. I can't wait to get my Pi 5 in my hands. Overclocking works great too, but 76 degrees is too dangerous for me. I hope that there will soon be cases for the Raspberry Pi 5 in which you can install more powerful fans. Maybe the 3D printing community will also develop corresponding housings, I would be happy about that. Thank you for your always very interesting videos on the topic of Raspberry Pi!
Really bad that it cant play 1080P 60fps at 3GHz. They really really need hardware acceleration in the next Pi6. (But my biggest concern is that i have not seen any youtube-reviewer try the pi5 vs rockpi5.
Hi ETA, several topics to discuss. 1) you didnt mention this, but seems like its running on a wayland compositor by default, would be nice to mention that bc thats why its so snappy and tear free. 2) this pi5 has great 4 big cores, but other than h265 decoding (not even encoding), everything has to be done on cpu, that's a regression compared to previous models, any tv box can do h265,h265,vp8 and vp9 (and some av1) on hardware or at least they have the hw to do so (so, maybe not on mainline but yes on a legacy kernel or android). 3) power consumption, we need a detailed info about the power consumption when you do that kind of stuff, like playing a video on youtube. since its on software decoding, would be a nice demo on how important its to have hw decoding capabilities. even then , h264 should be easy on cpu... vp9 or av1 will not. 4) to me ehis sbc needs a revision to use fixed 12v, 5v5A its out of the scope of many PD psu and having to buy an expensive official PSU vanish the all point of having an affordable PC. one can get 12v3A barrel jack psu around the goble for 3 bucks or so. reliability and affordability its what should matter on a power hungry rpi like rpi5.
ETA PRIME like always Simple & Clear explanation, idie 76 is bit higher I guess, How about undervoltage the pi 5? like Stock 2400mhz giving less Voltage? looking forward xD
about 2.4-2.6ghz for the CPU and while they don't list the GPU clock directly on the website, but the wikipedia page claims 800mhz base. A 1.0ghz GPU and 3.0ghz CPU OC should be very possible for this chip, maybe even 1.2ghz on the GPU.
i haven't had a problem with it yet but then again I just leave the RUclips setting on auto. i don't have to have it maxed out to be able to watch a video and have a good time.
Wondering how an overclocked pi4 would fare against a pi5? People have mostly overclocked there pi4 to 2GHz atleast. So that comparison is going to be quite relevant.
@@namangupta862.1 is where most pi4s will top out. Above that is silicon lottery. Mine sits happily at 2.35 which is a decent OC, but the record is something like 3.1ghz with a chilled CM4.
@@DigitalJedi mine hits 2Ghz stably. Anything above that and problem starts. And I have heard that 2Ghz is a figure that almost all the pi4 can achieve. So, that's why we need the most easily achievable overclock comparison that can be relevant for most.
Honestly was expecting Raspberry Pi 5 to be able to play at least 2k 60 fps RUclips easily. 3rd gen Intel laptop chips can easily handle it, with similar consumption to overclocked RPi5
I'm also surprised 1080p60 YT is still dropping frames. It's a pity that I haven't seen any tutorials to get V4L2 M2M working in Firefox. It seems it will decode h264 with hardware acceleration. But you probably need something like h264ify to force YT to send h264, instead of VP9.
I’m new to these things, but I ordered one. Do you think it would be possible to run GOG Mortal Kombat Trilogy on this? I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t, but maybe there is something I’m not considering.
Can you run a couple game servers from the pi? Minecraft, gmod, 7d2d? I’d like to see how they handle with people playing on them as a server. Big thanks!
With the overclock it's about the same Geekbench 5 score as my ThinkPad T450s with a Core i5 5200U (which boosts to 2.7 GHz). So nearly comparable to mobile Broadwell CPUs, probably a bit slower clock-for-clock.
That's actually really really impressive. Microsoft would be smart to work with Broadcom to get proper drivers for Windows on Arm, I run a Galaxy Book Go, and it might get the Arm version of Windows in the hands of a MUCH bigger audience.
But it's arm. It takes probably half the power your Thinkpad does, In 1/10th of the space, and can have attachments to be used to directly control hardware without software conversation and overhead. Different strokes
Hi ETA, There is a mistake, i think, 3 for overvoltage is too low... The correct parameter is 6 or 7: Over_voltage=6 If you use value of 3 the pi5 won't boot...
Thank for the video. Ran 3Ghz, very nice! No matter what the overvoltage is, can not manage to run 1Ghz GPU for all testing. BTW, the default GPU clock is 910Mhz not 800Mhz! Why??
wow the i3-4130 still dominates this things in nearly every way. A cpu from 2013 has better scores than the pi 5. That is insane to me. Like I get it, it's like a mobile cpu basically as far as performance is concerned. But still I wish we could get a huge spike in mobile SOC performance.
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I had the i3-4130 in one of my relatively early PCs. Interesting it‘s still around. Isn‘t the Pi supposed to be faster than a 2015 MBA/MBP (depending on the source)?
I was hoping they would have at least matched the Orange Pi 5 CPU and memory specs, I am currently using the OPi5 32Gb for my games emulation and I cant even see me replacing my RPi4 with a RPi5 as the tasks it performs at the moment are running OK.
That was a great video! please test linux games using proton lutris and box 64/86, i saw someone running AAA game on nintendo switch oc with linux(ubuntu for switch) and box86 he was able to run titan fall2 at Playble fps! i hope pi5 os on the same level if not better, also i am really excited to see what community comes up for the pi5 they may even compile a windows on arm for pi5
@@luimu agreed, i meant to say compile drivers for it, i have seen people running windows 11 on xiomi pad (Qualcomm open-source drivers are available) and even older pi4 although performance was terible on it
Same here. I'd love to see dual global-shutter camera modules running. Machine vision with depth perception is something I'm interested in trying out in my spare time and something like a Pi5 would have enough power for a proof of concept device. Ideally I'd set up a pair of nice cameras and a latte panda to use that 1340P's big CPU cores, but the cost is so much higher.
I see you have AetherSX2 installed on Raspian. I was wondering if you could do a tutorial on how you did that as I have been struggling to get that installed without having to change OS to Ubuntu.
Just got my Pi 5 yesterday. Even with the HSF and overvolting, best I could get was 2.75GHz CPU and 950MHz GPU. Underwhelming. Review samples were all probably binned.
If you are getting dropped frames at 1080/60 you definitely don't have hardware decoding working, with hardware 1080/60 should be very easy for a PI 5 even without the overclock.
It would be interesting to see video benchmark with a video encoded in h265 if it can play 4k with hardware encoding, I heard h264 is now decoded in software.
This SBC is really launching up. Can you try to up the ante with using water cooling like with the Pi4 or that would only improve the temps, not the clock speed?
kinda wish they ditched the 2nd hdmi port and added something else in like more pcie, no need for 2nd display as i never really heard anyone using dual display on a pi, its always one or even non and just control it over network.
10 years ago, I bought this wonderful and fast Intel i5-2500 processor. It was not the best on the market, but still had the best cost-performance ratio. I only replaced it this year, because it was the first computer I considered Good Enough. Now in Geekbench 6, it has single-core performance of 587 and multi-core performance of 1707. Raspberry Pi 5 on video has better single core performance and similar multi-core performance. We should appreciate that moment. I just wish that one beautiful day, I'll wake up, and there exists a Laptop bare bones with a slot for Raspberry Pi 5. 🛌💻👀💫
ExplainingComputers recently did a video doing benchmarks between the pi 4 and pi 5. It would be awesome to get your scores on the same benchmarks for the 3Ghz Pi 5. Adding the scores for an overclocked pi 4 would be a cherry on top.
Just imagine how much better this will be when they switch to 8nm on the refresh.
5 years from now :D
image it can emulate ps2 :))
They already have the tooling in place to switch to 8nm, Eben said this was just a cost decision so it won't be long until 8nm is cost effective for them. Rockchip are on 8nm.@@user-qy2wf2lt6v
Just imagine when they get down to like 3nm with all chips, I think is the limit for silicon is 3nm.
@@Jokerwolf666it’s not thank goodness
I just want to say thank you for all of your hard work on reviewing and testing all kinds of hardware during these years. I look forward to watching your videos
With the price of Raspberry Pi 5 now it is no longer a cheap hobbiest board. Been reading a lot of articles and seeing comments on how many people are done with PIs and have gone the pc route and are using virtual machines instead. It was fun while it lasted.
yeah for those prices a better pcie than 1x 2 and why i need more than one video out i would rather have more memory or better yet 2 pcie m.2
@@Dreadylock9170 Exactly! I don't get the obsession with adding so many video outputs as if people were going to use it as a workstation, lol
$60 is still cheaper than anything comparable. And Once they release the 2GB version that one will be $45 which is a sweet spot for me. Emulation doesn't need RAM anyways.
Well, if you are trying to learn software development and managing linux, then a Pi is probably the wrong thing to begin with, especially if you already have a PC.
But, if you are tying to learn robotics, physical computing, etc, then a Pi or similar is the way to go.
@PutlerHuyIo i did not find any pi 5 for 60 dollars. i bought a tiny pc that can do all that and more ,right now i'm gettinhmg ready to install debian and windows 11
LOVE the new comparison graphics for synthetic benchmarks! FINALLY!!! THANK YOU!
Raspberry Pi 5?!!!!!! Unbelievable. I still can't get my hands on a Pi 4!! Didn't even know the 5 existed! Thank you!!!
You don't get this one as well 😄
rpi5 isn't out yet, people like ETA got this early for reviews. the actual thing releases later this month
Still unable to get the Pi4? I think they refilled some stock (although not by much?). At least where I live some stores that were with very low stock or just out of it, seemed to have refilled a bit
Got a pi 4 with a argon one case for sale (2gb pi 4 uk based)
its not as good as pi400.
Awesome! Jeff Geerling was having stability issues at 2.6GHz, crazy you were able to bring it up to 3GHz!
With silicon is a roll of the dice how high you can go.
I saw Jeff's comment on another rpi 5 overclocking video, and he explained that the rpi5 that he got was relatively older, and it's possible that other reviewers got more up to date units, so more representative of the consumer units.
The video I saw Jeff's comment was able to do 3.1 on the cpu and 1000 on the gpu
@@ilay753 it really depends on the acceptable yield quality and manufacturing quality.
@benargee true, I completely understand silicone lottery, but early preproduction units are usually less capable of good overclocks as not everything has been finalized
That is like tinkering with a Mini to compete with the Monster Trucks. You are a madman, I love it!
Man I cannot wait to see some PCIe action on this bad boy!!! Keep up the great work sir!!
The only reason I bought pis were the passive cooling. I hope we can get some third party passive coolers that are not too bulky.
@@N_N23296 what's killing it isn't the TDP, but the 16nm process, it's ancient.
I assume FLIRC will release a passively cooled case for the Pi 5, similar to their case for the Pi 4.
@@sovo121216nm isn't ancient, it's cheap and dependable. For low-end chips in budget hardware it makes a lot of sense to go for something like this. Intel has 20nm-class parts launching as a part of Meteor Lake this year, used because it's a dirt cheap node that can make interposers for cheap.
My best guess is something like TSMC 12nm or Samsung 8nm for a next-gen Pi6, as by then both of those nodes will be close to the age of this 16nm process.
@@DigitalJedi It is ancient for general purpose computing, of course you will have washing machines using a worse process. And it isn't cheap either, or at least the RPi Foundation isn't making it cheap, the RPi5 base model is almost twice the price of the base RPi4. For a little bit more you can get the Orange Pi 5 with the 8nm RK3588, which is a lot more powerful than the RPi5.
@@sovo1212 According to Broadcom the BCM2712 is made by TSMC on their 16nm process node, which is only just now a 7-yeah-old node. That's not a very old node all things considered, given that Nvidia's Ampere cards were made on an almost 3-year-old node at Samsung and Intel stuck to 14nm for almost 7 years as well.
It's obviously not going to be as cheap as 28nm used for the Pi4, but given that TSMC is actively trying to get customers off nodes that age this is probably as cheap as they could get it.
Thank you! I was really looking forward to this video.
Can you test pie5 with plex, since its much better in performance? Thanks for video and keep on, you are good 😊
do you mean plexmediaserver on pi5? i don't think pi5 can afford such heavy workload
I think it can be done, eta has done it with pie4 but will the pi5 be better is what i am searching for.
I cannot wait to get my hands on it. I got 9 pi 4 4gb running various things. My emulator is overclocked to 2.25ghz with an ice cooler. Can't wait to order a bunch of these and overclock
This is an embarrassment to the Pi foundation to release SBC that drops frames on 1080p RUclips video in 2023. Pi5 is not the only SBC available on the market and we have alternatives that run better than the Pi5.
If it can't even play 1080p/60 without dropped frames, it's still junk hardware. This is 2023, not 2013...ETA Prime needs to stop being a shill for poor hardware that's even more expensive and has a small fan that will eventually need replacing.
This is an amazing piece of hardware but I would like a comparison of similar intel chips that consume the same amount of watts on windows and compare performance I personally love that this chips is so efficient and can get amazing emulation but let's see the competition with intel celeron laptop chips that consume the same watts
11 watts with a fan going is going to be a rough number to compete against lol. Maybe some old Atom chips or whatever they call the new Atom's these days, but to get in that range you're going to likely spend more than the pi costs so price will factor in there too
@@chomp7927 actually some old lenovo mini pc consume just 11 watt including monitor so it can compete
the intel devices are not $60 though
The competitor to this chip is the Intel N100 and N200, the former is a 3.4ghz quad-core (4x Gracemont) at 6W and the latter will do 3.7ghz. Either one should outpace the Pi5, but the MSRP of just the N100 is already more than this Pi setup can cost, at $128.
For that extra money though you get x86, an Intel NPU (Gaussian accelerator 3.0), AVX2, and 9 PCIE3 lanes to the Pi's 1x 2.0. Enough to run any PCIE devices you can think of.
They're better. Don't get me wrong, the chip and SBC concept of the Pi is impressive but it's never been the best value proposition. You could easily get a more powerful whole PC for around the same money. You can even get an under-powered but new intel-based laptop for around this much. Modern atom-tier uses about the same amount of power and performs significantly better. I'm sure you could play back 1080p on less watts using an intel chip.
Are you going to show the true specs of the pi4 on the metric board and how it compares to the pi5? This video and toms hardware shows the original pi4 in its non overclocked state and not the updated firmware version. The pi4 clocks at 1.8ghz stock and goes up to 2.5ghz before it throttles. I think that’s a big deciding metric being left out
Pushing it with a stress test will quickly make the Raspberry Pi 5 thermal throttle (which triggers at 82°C), dropping the CPU speed in an attempt to keep the CPU cool. Under stress, we hit 86.7°C (7 Watts) and saw the CPU throttle from 2.4 GHz down to 1.5 GHz. from toms hardware. at your 76 degrees cel u were pretty much at max limit
likely not, this channel isn't interested in providing hard data comparisons other than benchmarks and emulation FPS. his example of minecraft where he said "I didn't test this non overclocked but here it is anyways, looks good to me" proves he doesn't care enough about providing data to make real decisions on
@@sweatbox128 I’ll make a video. I’ve been noticing some inconsistency. Even followers in one of my retropie gaming groups noticed the toms hard ware over lock was missing the same data
Thank you for your hardwork and analysis. Can you measure Pi 5 Power consumption on overclock?
Came for the tiny potted plant, stayed for the overclocking
I legit love this comment lol
I envy you because you got a really good piece. For me, I managed to run it at maximum CPU 2800 and GPU at 900mhz but still testing stability
How does box64 perform on it?
I would be interested in some tests with box64, Wine and DXVK (and D8VK) to see how older Windows games perform on the Pi5 with emulation. Wine has also gotten a WoW64 implementation a while ago, so you can now run 32 bit Windows games with Wine and box64, without needing a 32 bit environment on the Linux side.
P.S. DXVK 2.0 and up needs Vulkan 1.3 but the Pi 5 only seems to support Vulkan 1.2, so DXVK 1.10.3 might be needed.
geekerwan enjoyer? :D
Great suggestion there. ✓™
that's quite experimental and box86 will be still considerably faster running 32 bit x86 code than box64 on wow64 wine mode.
For DXVK 2.0 I highly doubt that the rpi5 gpu native hw physical support 100% to function correctly
Also for Directx12_1 level needed Shaders interlocks fuction for emulated directx rovs .
First needed Opengl 3.3/4.x level != DX10/DX11 level..
The broadcom architecture is limited in that aspect compared with other socs vendors i.e NVIDIA tegra , qualcomm adreno , apple m1/m2.
@@CarlosEstrague Are you okay? Did you suffer a stroke writing that?
Can you do some testing with the Pi and using portable batteries? It would be interesting to see what the board can do without using wall power.
Yeah get yourself some 20 volt tool lithium battery. Pd 12v to 24v input 5v output or what ever car charger. 12 volt car socket that except car adapter. Blade terminals stripper crimper tool.
Watts are watts. If you know it's using 5 volts and you know it's consuming 11 watts under load, you automatically know the current draw.
What I mean is it doesn't matter whether it's battery or wall.
@@quademasters249 The power draw at the wall is slightly higher because it includes efficiency loss from AC to DC
Will be wild when semi old nodes get cheaper and we start getting 6nm - 4nm soc on the PI.
Samsung is starting to offer 10nm and 8nm at reasonable rates. I doubt we'll see Broadcom hop on that right away, as they are budget focused and like extremely proven nodes with very reliable supply systems, but other designers like RockChip already have, with the RK3588 being Samsung 8LPP 8nm.
I'd like to see some Steam games running on this. I know it probably won't be able to play much, but I would like to see what this could play.
You’d be surprised
I can think of a few low level steam games that could probably run on this
This is virtually impossible, Steam doesn't have any arm64 support, like at all. This could be run inside wine/qemu, but I imagine performance would be abysmal. Like REALLY abysmal. Now if you're running Steam on Windows for Arm, it has native x86/x64 emulation. Performance might be okay for indie games. I can run Celeste decently on my Galaxy Book Go running Windows on Arm. But since there are no graphics drivers for WoA for any existing Pi, I wouldn't expect much there either.
@@JosephHalderETA' s got a vid running some steam games on Radxa Rock 5b, I'd think at least some things would do ok.
I've just received my Pi5 and editing my /boot/config.txt to overclock it hangs the system, doesn't matter if I put over or underclock values, the system wont boot and there's no way to recover it, not even swapping the sd card to another computer and deleting the added lines from the config.txt file, it needs to get reflashed again to the microsd
Poor thing: not even on sale and already overclocked : )
Looking forward to seeing PS2 emulation on this.
First. !! Been waiting for this ! Thanks my man
its very good small pc, but not good enough as main rig..
main problem with raspberry pi is to find a really useful usecase for it.
as for IOT, cheaper RPI Zero is good enough..
Hey, so one of the things i would like to see tested is it's h265 capabilities. I know Moonlight and Parsec use this standard to deliver a 1080p60 ultra low latency. This would be a nice test. Theres also a chrome plugin called h264ify that makes these low end computers play video WAY smoother than original, and me personally i can't live without it.
Something else i would like to see, because i'm into vanlife and stuff, is if you could test these with overclock, normal clock, and also underclock, with their respective wattage drawing.
And last but not least, i don't know if it is going to be available yet, but since the thruput of the sdcard has been doubled, there's a pcie, and it now has a graphics card, i would like to see Windows 10 tested on it, since these features are going to be my main goal: low wattage remote desktop, heavy youtube/twitch usage, and a full desktop computer substitute.
Thanks in advance for reading, and most importantly for all the videos on low end and handheld computers you have been putting out these years. Many of your advices have led my spendings into good harbors. Thanks!
Considering the dropped frames on YT videos I would say hardware decoding support isn't there yet.
Hopefully the Pi I get will be able to hit those numbers. Please test Dolphin and PS2 as soon as there's something.
Raspberry Pi is where Toyota was in the mid-90's💪
Since they are meant for schools, for kids to use I think they're underclocked to run cool so kids do not burn themsevles, this is why they can be overclocked so high. *Remember to release the heat limits.* I know they had a setting for heat limit, but its been a long time since I've used it, & do not remember it.
When playing videos on RUclips try not to move the mouse.
Pi4/5 can 1080p/60. It’s the desktop/Chrome that’s catching it out. If you don’t move the mouse you get fewer dropped frames.
The silicon lottery has probably been rigged in your favour with this pre-release evaluation board. Maybe quality control for general release boards won't be quite as rigorous?
OC to 3GHz and can only run Chain of Olympics at native resolution, I doubt it can do much. Android devices today are just way more powerful.
Raspberry 3 was the last raspberry pi platform
Cool! Really looking forward to seeing Gamecube performance! 🤩
I would love to see some box86/box64 tests!
Wonder how far you can push that overclock? .... I think we kinda wanna see it.
I bet that N64 finally runs like a dream on this raspberry pi. 😊
There is an entire generation of engineers on their way with a Raspberry Pi and some duct tape....
Raspberry pi with the cooler looks so cool :)
Those are fantastic prospects. I can't wait to get my Pi 5 in my hands. Overclocking works great too, but 76 degrees is too dangerous for me. I hope that there will soon be cases for the Raspberry Pi 5 in which you can install more powerful fans. Maybe the 3D printing community will also develop corresponding housings, I would be happy about that. Thank you for your always very interesting videos on the topic of Raspberry Pi!
Also want to see how it is like in the case which if i remember correctly uses a different fan
Can't wait until newer SBCs start coming out with 8-16GB RAM that are even cheaper than the Orange Pi 5 that we have right now
Love the plant! 🪴
Really bad that it cant play 1080P 60fps at 3GHz. They really really need hardware acceleration in the next Pi6. (But my biggest concern is that i have not seen any youtube-reviewer try the pi5 vs rockpi5.
I hope this is just a driver issue, otherwise any RK3588 board will blow the RPi5 out of the water.
@@sovo1212 They removed hardware accelerated video playback on the Pi5 and let the cpu do the work instead from what Ive read.
over_voltage=3
arm_freq=3000
gpu_freq=1000
can you compare Pi5 and OPi5?
I noticed alot of people tested windows 11/10 on the raspberry pi 4 I would love to see you do a video like that for the pi 5 with the 3ghz overclock.
You should see how it performs with WoR Project and check the Windows performance on this thing
i love this Raspberry PI 5 3.0 GHZ
perfect Bro Thanks ..
Hi ETA, several topics to discuss. 1) you didnt mention this, but seems like its running on a wayland compositor by default, would be nice to mention that bc thats why its so snappy and tear free. 2) this pi5 has great 4 big cores, but other than h265 decoding (not even encoding), everything has to be done on cpu, that's a regression compared to previous models, any tv box can do h265,h265,vp8 and vp9 (and some av1) on hardware or at least they have the hw to do so (so, maybe not on mainline but yes on a legacy kernel or android). 3) power consumption, we need a detailed info about the power consumption when you do that kind of stuff, like playing a video on youtube. since its on software decoding, would be a nice demo on how important its to have hw decoding capabilities. even then , h264 should be easy on cpu... vp9 or av1 will not. 4) to me ehis sbc needs a revision to use fixed 12v, 5v5A its out of the scope of many PD psu and having to buy an expensive official PSU vanish the all point of having an affordable PC. one can get 12v3A barrel jack psu around the goble for 3 bucks or so. reliability and affordability its what should matter on a power hungry rpi like rpi5.
Foundation: this is the most incredible pi!
Then proceeds to drop 1080p video like a g3 imac
ETA PRIME like always Simple & Clear explanation, idie 76 is bit higher I guess,
How about undervoltage the pi 5? like Stock 2400mhz giving less Voltage? looking forward xD
That's nice but, what's the stock clockspeed of the CPU and GPU in this device? I didn't quite remember it so I'll have to go look it up.
about 2.4-2.6ghz for the CPU and while they don't list the GPU clock directly on the website, but the wikipedia page claims 800mhz base. A 1.0ghz GPU and 3.0ghz CPU OC should be very possible for this chip, maybe even 1.2ghz on the GPU.
The year is 2023, and the pi 5 drops frames on 1080p video.
i haven't had a problem with it yet but then again I just leave the RUclips setting on auto. i don't have to have it maxed out to be able to watch a video and have a good time.
Wondering how an overclocked pi4 would fare against a pi5? People have mostly overclocked there pi4 to 2GHz atleast. So that comparison is going to be quite relevant.
pi 4 goes up to 2.3-2.5 before throttle. the base speed is 1.8 not 1.5 as presented in the video
@@kiodiekin I guess 2GHz on CPU and 750 on GPU for pi4 might be a more universal overclock that can be used for comparison.
@@namangupta86not really. Even the base clock of 1.8 on the pi4 yields better results than what is presented.
@@namangupta862.1 is where most pi4s will top out. Above that is silicon lottery. Mine sits happily at 2.35 which is a decent OC, but the record is something like 3.1ghz with a chilled CM4.
@@DigitalJedi mine hits 2Ghz stably. Anything above that and problem starts. And I have heard that 2Ghz is a figure that almost all the pi4 can achieve. So, that's why we need the most easily achievable overclock comparison that can be relevant for most.
Honestly was expecting Raspberry Pi 5 to be able to play at least 2k 60 fps RUclips easily. 3rd gen Intel laptop chips can easily handle it, with similar consumption to overclocked RPi5
I'm also surprised 1080p60 YT is still dropping frames. It's a pity that I haven't seen any tutorials to get V4L2 M2M working in Firefox. It seems it will decode h264 with hardware acceleration. But you probably need something like h264ify to force YT to send h264, instead of VP9.
They have hw media decoding capabilities, something rpi4 and rpi5 do not on VP9.
3rd gen intel also do not have VP9, but they have enough raw power to play it anyway@@microlinux
That heatsink has a flaw design....
Love your Nazar Wristband 👍
Orange pi 5 vs Raspberry pi 5?
I’m new to these things, but I ordered one. Do you think it would be possible to run GOG Mortal Kombat Trilogy on this? I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t, but maybe there is something I’m not considering.
I saw that Diablo 2 LOD install ;)
Can you run a couple game servers from the pi? Minecraft, gmod, 7d2d? I’d like to see how they handle with people playing on them as a server. Big thanks!
Was expecting this to be your Odin 2 video, os that still due out today?
Why would you write 1000MHz instead of 1GHz?? 🙄
A way to get more views but it worked i misread and saw 1000 GHz now noticed its MHz it worked
With the overclock it's about the same Geekbench 5 score as my ThinkPad T450s with a Core i5 5200U (which boosts to 2.7 GHz). So nearly comparable to mobile Broadwell CPUs, probably a bit slower clock-for-clock.
That's actually really really impressive. Microsoft would be smart to work with Broadcom to get proper drivers for Windows on Arm, I run a Galaxy Book Go, and it might get the Arm version of Windows in the hands of a MUCH bigger audience.
But it's arm. It takes probably half the power your Thinkpad does, In 1/10th of the space, and can have attachments to be used to directly control hardware without software conversation and overhead. Different strokes
Exactly@@Weneedaplague
The thumbnail is so funny.
You should make a video on trying to run minecraft bedrock edition on the overclocked Raspberry Pi 5
Hi ETA,
There is a mistake, i think, 3 for overvoltage is too low...
The correct parameter is 6 or 7:
Over_voltage=6
If you use value of 3 the pi5 won't boot...
Thank for the video.
Ran 3Ghz, very nice!
No matter what the overvoltage is, can not manage to run 1Ghz GPU for all testing.
BTW, the default GPU clock is 910Mhz not 800Mhz! Why??
Try with force_turbo=1
You should be able to boot with 1GHz GPU this way.
@@ivankyurkchiev7374 Thanks! I mean, can not run GPU at 1GHz for all the tests. Some tests will hang.
Try same tests with force_turbo=1.
I have mine at 3GHz and 1.1 GPU without over_voltage
wow the i3-4130 still dominates this things in nearly every way. A cpu from 2013 has better scores than the pi 5. That is insane to me. Like I get it, it's like a mobile cpu basically as far as performance is concerned. But still I wish we could get a huge spike in mobile SOC performance.
I had the i3-4130 in one of my relatively early PCs. Interesting it‘s still around. Isn‘t the Pi supposed to be faster than a 2015 MBA/MBP (depending on the source)?
supposed to be? yes, but that's a word I hear a lot and always get disappointed when I see the results. @
Can you comment the performance of a raspi5 NAS (for rd and wr) using the fastest USB 3 to HDD/SSD adapter(s)?
Very cool! I ordered mine as soon as they went live. But can it SW:RS2 on Gamecube?
I was hoping they would have at least matched the Orange Pi 5 CPU and memory specs, I am currently using the OPi5 32Gb for my games emulation and I cant even see me replacing my RPi4 with a RPi5 as the tasks it performs at the moment are running OK.
is Orange Pi compatible with Retropie?
That was a great video! please test linux games using proton lutris and box 64/86, i saw someone running AAA game on nintendo switch oc with linux(ubuntu for switch) and box86 he was able to run titan fall2 at Playble fps! i hope pi5 os on the same level if not better, also i am really excited to see what community comes up for the pi5 they may even compile a windows on arm for pi5
One does simply not compile windows (except xp). You would need to have the source code for it to compile it and windows source isn't available.
@@luimu agreed, i meant to say compile drivers for it, i have seen people running windows 11 on xiomi pad (Qualcomm open-source drivers are available) and even older pi4 although performance was terible on it
Next ETA Prime video: Liquid Nitrogen Pi5 go brrrr
I would love to see Dual Cameras running on the Pi5
Same here. I'd love to see dual global-shutter camera modules running. Machine vision with depth perception is something I'm interested in trying out in my spare time and something like a Pi5 would have enough power for a proof of concept device. Ideally I'd set up a pair of nice cameras and a latte panda to use that 1340P's big CPU cores, but the cost is so much higher.
This rivals my current desktop haha
The squirrel cage cooler is not it yet, I'm waiting on the ice tower equivalent.
well, definitely upgrading my JEllyfin server from a base Pi4 to this
play half life!!! lololol. this looks great i seriously can't wait for mine to arrive!!
Might finally be able to play RUclips now
Wow Thanks for this vdideo.
When are you gonna test Killer Instinct!? 😁
Can you please give us the music of your intro? Very relaxing.
I see you have AetherSX2 installed on Raspian. I was wondering if you could do a tutorial on how you did that as I have been struggling to get that installed without having to change OS to Ubuntu.
Just got my Pi 5 yesterday. Even with the HSF and overvolting, best I could get was 2.75GHz CPU and 950MHz GPU. Underwhelming. Review samples were all probably binned.
Did you try with force_turbo=1?
If you are getting dropped frames at 1080/60 you definitely don't have hardware decoding working, with hardware 1080/60 should be very easy for a PI 5 even without the overclock.
And it will become even better when the newest pi os launches (bookworm)
Hey man is it possible for a video that shows android on the pi 5 with emulation and gaming(genshin, pubg, etc)?
I wish you would have overclocked the Pi 4 as well. I usually run mine at 2.4Ghz.
It would be interesting to see video benchmark with a video encoded in h265 if it can play 4k with hardware encoding, I heard h264 is now decoded in software.
Is the gpu capable of HDR? That would be the icing on the cake.
Kodi and LibreELEC can use HDR with the Pi5, so yup 👍
Yes it can
So an overclocked RP5 is almost as fast as an Orange Pi 5. Neato.
Is PS2 emulation going to be possible?
When I manage to get an RPi5 in 2027 I will try this.
This SBC is really launching up. Can you try to up the ante with using water cooling like with the Pi4 or that would only improve the temps, not the clock speed?
kinda wish they ditched the 2nd hdmi port and added something else in like more pcie, no need for 2nd display as i never really heard anyone using dual display on a pi, its always one or even non and just control it over network.