It's not just JYP. All companies do this. JYP is the least harmful of aaaaall companies. Koreans are just used to it. I personally wouldn't survive a day in that environment. Have you heard about Loona? Momoland? New Jeans? (g)idle? They got worse situation with their scum companies. That's why I admire all K-idols. They're resilient.
@@Vendell_23regardless if it‘s in Korea or in the United States, this is not a contract as it‘s both CORPORATE SLAVERY and RESERVED CLAUSE, and if you want to know the latter, please read all about the history of Major League Baseball between the 1940s to 1970s.
@@water6019 여기 한국에서는 전부 미국인의 그러한 풍조에 대해서 비웃는다고 ,, 여기 아시아에서는 그러한 일로 소송이나 고발을 하지 않아 ,,그냥 조용히 자퇴 한다고 ,,아시아 사람 같으면 이 문제는 KG의 개인문제로 취급 한다 ,,학대라고 전혀 생각을 안하거든,, 급여 지급 문제는 계약서 대로 시행 한것이고 회사는 맴버를 속이지 않는다고,,속이면 소송을 당해서이다,,급여 문제는 kg가 소송에서 패배 할것이다 ,,케이팝에서는 원래 웝급제가 아니다 ,,즉 고정 급여는 원래 없다
why would anyone make this up? especially KG whose dream it was to be a kpop idol. JYP response to blame KG and say it is affecting VCHA and the JYP organization is disgusting and saying that she is lying about all this too? i cant wait until they are sued for all they are worth.
as far as we know they have, until the lawsuit is conducted and finalized we don't know what laws were broken. Alleging someone did something is not the same as the law and judge saying this law was broken.
These companies don't treat trainees and idols as people, they treat them like things. The contracts and treatment are and always have been predatory. It's disgusting that people expect them to endure such horrible treatment.
그런데 현실은 한국 엔터사가 하는대로 해야만 성공하고 만약 당신 말대로 하면 실패 한다 ,,이러한 육성체제의 결과로 당신들이 케이팝을 감상하게 된것이다,,, 즉 한국식의 우월성인데 이는 미국도 일본도 다 실패 한거라고 ,,막상 한국인들은 이러한 체제에 대해 불만이 없이 잘 적용한다고
them saying her claims are “exaggerated” is perfect for when they take it to court. prove their clear negligence & how her allegations as “exaggerations” the system that abuses its workers should indeed collapse.
8:00 '...may struggle to adapt to these norms.', that sentence alone tells you everything you need to know about the general SK society. You really think idols speaking up about what they endure will evoke change when the society doesn't see a problem with the treatment?
이번 사건 정도로는 케이팝 시스템은 변화를 가져오지 못하며 달라지지 않는다 ,,이유는 현대의 시스템은 매우 성공적이고 아이돌 및 엔터사에다 막대한 이윤을 창출해서이지,,,, 왜 바꾸려 할까???,,,,막상 한국인 연습생들이 잘해내므로 외국인에게 문호가 닫혀지는 결과만 예상이 된다,,한국내에서 현재 이러한 목소리가 높아지고 잇다
That some Korean netizens view this treatment as "okay" is just pure insanity. There are some seriously deep-seeded extreme issues in their culture when it comes to celebrities and work culture in general. In America, you can still have a career after committing actual heinous crimes. In SK, you can't have a career without giving up your mental health and bodily autonomy. Two extremes that are both very wrong. Somebody needs to break the K-Pop system.
그런데 현실은 한국 엔터사가 하는대로 해야만 성공하고 만약 당신 말대로 하면 실패 한다 ,,이러한 육성체제의 결과로 당신들이 케이팝을 감상하게 된것이다,,, 즉 한국식의 우월성인데 이는 미국도 일본도 다 실패 한거라고 ,,막상 한국인들은 이러한 체제에 대해 불만이 없이 잘 적응을 한다고
@@spectral__ 우리나라에서는 이 사건을 어떻게 보는가 하면 당연히 아이돌 훈련은 힘들어야 하고 다이어트는 당연히 해내야 한다고 본다고 ,,다이어트를 못하면 한국에서 비웃음 대상 이야,,,,사실 여자에게 가장 쉬운 일이 다이어트이지, 어떤 한국인도 어느 아시아인도 이러한 문제로 회사에 소송을 걸지 않고 언론에다 기사화 하지 않아,,이번 사건의 배경은 박진영의 무리한 과욕 였지,,다음의 이유가 브이차가 전체적으로 실력이 매우 부족한 팀 였다,,
@@Real-ranchia Starvation isn't a "diet." You don't understand science at all. You're completely brainwashed and delusional. I would say get help, but South Korea also stigmatizes therapy. So sad.
@@spectral__ 다이어트는 미용 이유 이외에 건강을 위해서이다,,, 알다시피 성인병의 대부분이 비만이 주이유 라고,,, 나는 성인남자 이지만 오랜 기간 음식을 적게 먹는 생활로 체중이 적으며 몸은 아주 건강하다 많은 미국인들이 과잉 섭취로 인해 비만에 시달린다,,미국인들의 평균 체중을 보자고 ,,,당신들은 아주 단순한 음식 조절 조차도 못하는가 말이다,,, 우리들이 보기에는 미국인은 아주 열등하게 보인다고
The fact that this is normalized among all Korean entertainment industry for years and people still think being a kpop idol would be amazing😅. The idols literally work non-stop with little break and most are in debt or make barely anything. It’s normalized in Asian culture as well that people need to look, eat, or act a certain way. As an Asian myself I grew up thinking I had to be someone, study and was often put down by relatives, my dad’s side of the family literally traumatized me so I hate visiting them. I got to the point where I would avoid or hide from them when I see them. 😂
Nah , don’t hide from them 😖 just ate them up with your success ✨😭 I used to feel that way but now I make ton of money and I start to insult them back 😆
아니다 ,,당신이 잘못 알고 있는것이고 아이돌이 인기를 못 얻고 실패를 해도 부채를 인수하지 않는다고 ,,맴버에게 부채가 부과는 안시킨다고,,그것이 케이팝 시스템이다 ,,케이팝의 그중 걸그룹은 대부분 아이돌이 성공 못하고 거의 수입이 없이 은퇴는 실제 그러하다 ,,보이그룹은 보다 결과가 더 낫다 그런데 이는 개인에게 강요에서가 아니고 스스로 선택한 것이라고 ,,어려운것은 회사도 마찬가지라고 ,,대부분은 투자금을 회수도 못하고 손실 상태로 사업을 포기 한다 ,,즉 승자는 없고 대부분이 패자 라고 ,,그런데도 하려고 들거든
I remember abt momo's water diet, jihyo's humiliation when jyp himself asked her if she felt or think she's pretty w/ her weight. Or even how jypnstaff ignored IU whwn she tried to audition at jyp. While jyp himself keep focusing in himself as an artist, he also failed miserably in dealing or handling some of his prmosing trainees. Can't help to conclude that he had favoritism towrads some other grps. He ignored his talentwd boygrps while elevating himself, keep milking twice while underpromoting his existing grps. That's why among all companies, i still thunk yg treat its trainees better. Yg isn't probably the best but through the yrs, his artists that left the company didn't have much bad things to say..only probably the less promotions. But he hinself don't force his artists ro go on strict diet but i'm sure they all undergo into healthy diet education etc so it's all up to the artists to motivate themselves to look & feel good abt being an idol in the limelight all the time. He even let ikon, bigbang, & other solo artists bring their names, trademark etc outside of YG when tbey didn't renew contracts. And most kpop idols who become richest came from yg too.
You've clearly missed some stuff like YGs CEO dating his future wife while she was still a minor and dissolving her group because he didnt want her to have a career, how badly 2NE1 esp CL were treated etc.
I knew it was bad they are clips of kaylee judging herself review videos. I knew something was up the girls looked at each other and tried to encourage her. Kaylee just wanted to be good enough and had not the chance grow into herself mentally. This is why i side with nwjns over hybe the company never has good intentions they expect asian works to keep quite and koi but that doesnt work with american girls
Hold up. This is crazy!!! When niziu debuted they had mihii go into hiatus because of “oersonal health reasons” and then it became sus when Kaylee had to. This sucks so bad. JYPE needs to be shut down
Unfortunately every single company assigns “personalities” to each member. This is nothing new. One of the best examples is J-Hope since literally everyone in Kpop has at least heard of BTS whether they’re a fan or not. During a vlive right before DNA era Suga mentioned how he was surprised that the personality/character Hobi was given was to be the member who is always happy, silly, aka the Sunshine of BTS. Yoongi said he couldn’t imagine it because Hobi was the most depressed person he ever met, and that holds quite a bit of weight since we know Yoongi has suffered from depression for such a long time. I can’t remember where Hobi said this (whether it was during Run! BTS, an interview, live stream) but he was asked something along the lines of “what’s something that is your charm”? And Hobi replied by saying that his tears are his charms since ARMY rarely ever gets to see them. There’s been ex-idols who’ve talked about how just how strict companies/managers are about their physical appearance and how before they debut they each have an assigned personality and a certain character they all had to portray in the group. And also how idols can only let the stylists trim their eyebrows, cut/dye their hair, trim their nails etc. (I think we all had a mini heart attack when none other than the one and only Worldwide Handsome Mr Kim Seokjin uploaded a video of himself cutting his down hair with those massive scissors 😩 😅 the posted shortly after about he got in big trouble and was scolded 😂) Also when Sunoo rolled his eyes in a livestream he quickly covered his face laughing saying that he forgot the camera was there and that he needs to keep his expressions in check. 😂 I think we all know what’s going on in companies and we all know that groups have to work their a$$es off to maintain everything, however it’s very unfortunate and upsetting hearing about the shocking conditions that were implemented on VCHA…. Especially since they live in the USA. They’re an international group under JYPE living in the USA and there’s very strict laws surrounding minors who work. I’m actually surprised that they implemented the same strict Korean standards onto VCHA. During the audition process JYP even said that he was specifically making this group because he wanted international fans to have a group that they could connect better with. He wanted VCHA to be the group that “look just like us” (international fans) and speak the same language. The girls are so talented and were chasing their dream thinking it would be incredible. I feel for them so much.
I have known BTS for 10 years. I used to watch and translate a lot of their vlives, and I don't remember Suga saying anything like that. Did you just make that up? Can you give us a link to a video where he says that?
@ no I didn’t make it up. I’ll try to find it and put it the link. Suga said his name should’ve been “J-Sad not J-Hope” I’ll look for it (edit - autocorrect changed “Suga” to “Saugus” 😭)
I hate when groups with really young members are called Kid groups. Look at boy story! With some promotion but not that much. Boy story were really young when they debuted. One of them was about 13-10 which is really messed up.
I appreciate the way this channel reports the issue in a factual manner 💯 Now KG is an idol worth applauding and listening to, if what she claims in her lawsuit statement (which I've read) is true, then she really is fighting against a system that is as inherently cruel as it is flawed. She's taking a stand not just for herself, but for any other trainee/idol experiencing actual abuse, not the I-was-ignored-by-2-people-on-separate-occasions bullcrap that New Jeans is pulling instead of taking responsibility for their statements. Those girls have NOTHING to show for all their claims and high-and-mighty words. KG has actual evidence to prove what happened to her, and what's more, she's approaching the situation correctly - by filing a lawsuit so that this issue gets resolved in actual court, not in the court of public opinion.
KG had the wrong idea that becoming a k-pop idol would be as easy as flipping burgers at McDonald's. Becoming a classic musician, a ballet dancer, a doctor or a lawyer all require insane amount of dedication. K-pop artist is just another job that requires lots of discipline if you want to suceed. KG was a disaster in the making from the beginning.
@@ginapark9902 The difference between discipline and abuse is that discipline is a CHOICE you make yourself. Abuse is having your choice taken away from you. For your benefit, here is the definition of abuse: violent or cruel treatment, especially regular or repeated over time. Read the lawsuit she filed, and then maybe we can discuss this better.
아니다 당신은 이사건의 여파/악영향을 내다 보지 못하는군,,,kg의 소송의 제기 및 결과에 무관하게 한국의 엔터사가 타국가에 현지 아이돌그룹의 추가 창단에다 막대한 지장이 초래되고 할거야,,,앞으로 한국인 및 아시아계 출신 아이돌만 구경할거라고 ,,아마도 당신들이 케이팝에 대해 보이콧에 참여할거라 이들 조차도 스스로 차단할것 같다,,장기간 냉각이 될것으로 추정 가능하다
Pls support KG and other idols they are victims of k-pop industry.This type of toxic practices in k-pop industry for decades. We need to Stop this by boycotting k-pop industry and supporting GK and other victims.
8:40 You can absolutely train super hard and get up to Idol status without Mental, verbal and physical abuse. Anyone who tells you otherwise benefits from that abuse in some way. Also Kpop time tables are WAY to unrealistic, instead of traumatizing these people to get them out and making money faster, take a little longer and debut them without rushing. I am willing to wait for my Idols if it means they aren't being abused. I don't care if its "your culture" your culture is fucked up in this regard and it needs to change. Just because its normalized, it doesn't make it right.
The K-pop training system is not slavery, it is completely based on voluntaryness, the reason is that if it gets hard, you can give up voluntarily at any time, the door is always open, and if the trainee feels that they can't take it anymore, they can always kick the company out,, The reason why Korean trainees don't leave or give up is because they have excellent qualities and tough spirit, and they are not weak like KG.
If they control small things like hair color, personality and skin color you don’t think they are controlling your ability to “create” that’s why very few kpop idols are in categories of “artists”. Majority don’t create art. It’s bubble gum factory machines. Everything majority of the world knew of kpop. A lot of ctrl+Copy and paste. Which why for me, I don’t really rock with kpop but I rock with select groups that I think have gotten passed that tough controlled aspect of their career. But girl groups have it worse, so for me I don’t support. They want the female idols so thin it’s sometimes looks like underage kids acting “sexy” on stage (cringe). Remember the camera adds 10lbs. And if they look frail and in some aspects anorexic on screen how thin are they in real life? I hope things change.
i just don't understand. a lot of people under this video are saying "can't believe it happened!" or "i didn't know!". But we all know deep down that this industry is like that, trainees have to dance all day, they have to not gain weight, AND WE KNOW THAT. I don't understand why everyone keeps acting like they didn't know and continue to listen to kpop. Sakura cried in a video while talking about diets. Some idols commited s**c*de cz it was too hard. in the survival show starlight boys, trainees had to dance nonstop. like u basically know that it happened, but u continue to listen to kpop and act surprise ! it's hypocrisy
You do understand he stepped down 2011 so it has nothing to do with him. I don’t understand why y’all love bringing him into the conversation when he has nothing to do with this. Y’all blame everything that happens to his artist like he’s with them 24/7 🙄
Exactly i dont understand how some people in this comment section is really sitting here trying to justify this its not met for westerners sure but neither is it for ANYBODY else including koreans nobody should be treated like this especially to follow there dreams and you and everyone else knows that the kpop industry when it comes to trying to keep the members well is bad and should not try to be justified like what?(i reposted my comment btw if it sounds directed towards someone😭)
I feel like if this went on with a more popular group that had koreans that a lot of these people wouldn't be sitting here trying to justify it so bad like be fr im tired with the double standards🙏some of you guys are the reason why some companies think they could get away with this stuff instead of us trying to work against the companies you never know if we could all make even a slight change with these companies.
이번 사건 정도로는 케이팝 시스템은 변화를 가져오지 못하며 달라지지 않는다 ,,이유는 현재의 시스템은 매우 성공적이고 아이돌 및 엔터사에다 막대한 이윤을 창출해서이지,,,, 왜 바꾸려 할까???,,,,막상 한국인 연습생들이 잘해내므로 외국인에게 문호가 닫혀지는 결과만 예상이 된다,,한국내에서 현재 이러한 목소리가 높아지고 잇다
This incident is very likely to go in an unfortunate direction. //First of all, this incident will not bring about change in the K-pop system and it will not change. The reason is that the current system is very successful and creates huge profits for idols and entertainment companies. Why would they want to change it???,,,, Since Korean trainees are doing well, it is expected that Korean entertainment companies will close their doors to foreigners from Western societies. There are currently growing voices like this in Korea.
Guys kaylee goes to my school I can confirm it isnt her she seems like she is happy and has a bright future ahead of her academically shes doing rly great we talk everyday in english so she seems chill rn
Um, the hairstyle and stuff is the same as theatre, only you do it for a long time. It's not that bad. The other stuff is normal for k-pop, although I agree some changes especially for minors should be done.
While very bothering, nothing will change from this lawsuit, other than maybe JYP paying some settlement fees and possibly abandoning their US division down the road. The only way change happens is if it happens in Korea but everyone knows that isn't happening.
How do we view this incident in our country? It is natural that idol training should be hard and dieting should be done,,if you can't diet, you are laughed at in Korea,,,,In fact, dieting is the easiest thing for women. No Korean or Asian has sued the company for this problem and the media has not reported it.,,The background of this incident was Park Jin-young's excessive greed,,the next reason is that V-Cha was a team with very poor skills overall,,
KG's claim may be exaggerated, but it's probably true. The training and daily lives of K-pop idols are widely known. It's not a secret. And Korean entertainment companies are similar and there's not much difference between them. As a Korean, I understand your anger. It's probably hard to suppress your anger.
In the Korean entertainment industry, is it possible for a company to exploit or abuse its singers???,,,,, Not at all!!!! // If a contract between a company and a singer is violated, the singer will immediately file a lawsuit. It is actually impossible for a company to deceive the singer or embezzle or exploit a large amount of money. The reason is that the contract can be terminated. The abuse you think of will be denied here in Korea and is an ordinary daily life. Koreans and Asians value cooperation and harmony and are collective, but your country looks strange to us. The social structure here is different from your country
I knew along time ago when the TWICE ladies were beginning that JYP was NOT treating them right either. They were held like slaves and every aspect of their "training" and rehearsal were brutal. Then there is the FACT that TWICE NEVER received proper compensation for all their hard work that the company did NOT pay them for. Concerts, merchandising, Social Media events as other money making venues that generated large sums were barely if any, given to the ladies. It was about 6 or 7 years into TWICE's run that member networths were being reported that I found just how little they had made after all their hard work. Each girl should have been multimillionaires but sadly Tzuyu was the only member to have accumulated just a bit over 2 million. The others "earned" around a million or less apiece. I had suggested to the ladies that they EACH get their own entertainment lawyer and accountant to watch out for them. I'm guessing that ALL their correspondence either thru emails etc was being censored by JYP. THAT, IS CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!! I get that the ladies were grateful for being able to become a part of such a talented and popular group but at least after a year of two when the promotor/producer has recouped their initial investment, SHOULD have been compensating the talent A LOT MORE than they have been. I know that other promotors and producer companies have done worse to their talent but as of right now, JYP is in the spotlight and should be the ones to take the brunt of the crimes. An assault of American Hollywood entertainment lawyers should be ascending on Korea!!! THEY need them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
하하 당신은 잘모르고 추측을 하는중이다,,회사와 가수들과 체결한 계약을 위반시에 가수는 바로 소송에 들어간다,,회사가 가수들을 속이려한다던가 거액의 돈을 횡령이나 수탈은 실제로 불가능하다 ,,이유는 이는 계약 해지가 가능해서이다,,당신들이 생각하는 그 학대라는것은 여기 한국에서 부정될것이고 평범한 일상이란 점이다,,한국인 및 아시아인은 협력과 조화를 중시 하고 집단적인데 우리들이 보기에는 당신네 나라가 이상하게 보인다고 ,,,여기는 당신들 나라와는 사회구조가 다르다,,,트와이스가 회사로 부터 받는 분배금은 계약서에 입각해서이고 그러면 합법인것이다,,,, 계약에 위반시에는 바로 소송에 들어간다고 ,,거기는 맴버가 무려 11명이지 ,,왜 조용한가 말이다
케이팝 훈련체계는 노예적인것이 아니다,,완전히 자발성에 근거 한다고,,이유는 힘들면 언제든지 자진 포기가 가능하다고,,도어는 항상 열려져 잇고 ,,연습생은 더이상 못 견딘다고 생각하면 언제든지 회사를 박차고 나가면 된다고,, 한국 연습생들이 이탈이나 포기를 안하는 이유는 그들이 우수한 자질 및 터프한 근성을 가져서이고 kg같이 나약하지 않아서이다
@@Real-ranchia NO ONE is protected by who they work for!!!!!!!!!!! They need their OWN lawyer to protect them. I may not know all the particulars but one thing is for sure, something it going on and it isn't good. There are many horror stories about promoters and producers causing harm to the talent. Too many witnesses have seen this happen. WHO are you? A member of JYP????? The reason TWICE is "quiet" is that they are afraid and seem to have NO ONE to protect them.
@@robertpage2023 상세한 내막이 알려지는것은 소송이 벌어져서 그 내용이 언론에 보도가 되는 시점 같다,,일단 계약에 위반 여부인데 계약 에는 아마도 허용이 되는 것으로 기재가 될것이다 ,,다음으로는 xg가 당한 일이 미국의 현지 법에 위반 여부 인데 아마도 유죄로 나오고 할것이지,,미국 판사는 외국인 회사에 관대 하지않아 ,, 소송의 결과에 무관하게 박진영은 이번 사태로 막대한 이미지 타격을 입을 것이다,,외국인 특히나 미국인에 대해 배척 풍조가 유포가 될것이고,,,,결국에 박진영의 과오로 판정이 날것이지,, 그리고 트와이스는 도대체 학대라고 누가 말을 하는가???? ,,,,이봐,,트와이스는 케이팝 가수라고,,,,, 한국인이 대다수이고 한국내에 문제 제기가 아니면 이들은 학대를 당한것이 아니라고,, 다른 케이팝 가수들과 비교하여 트와이스가 부당한 처우를 당햇다는 근거는 있는가??,,그리고 당신은 외국인인데 한국어도 모르면서 트와이스의 일상에 대해 상세한 내용을 아는가 ???
After this 100% for sure there won’t be any Kpop companies trying to recruit westerners especially the Americans … Strawberry generation who can’t even go through half of YG simple training or whatever half lBlackpink / Twice / Itzy and Aespa went through .. No talent is fine but at least try to follow the company rules that had create many successful Kpop artist .. KG do sucks at dance and forcing go repeat many times is common in Kpop … watch back the video how Soyeon from Gidle drill her members and how hard JYP was on Itzy which resulted a famously reward .. watch / listen to “Imaginary friends” from Itzy and see how much their vocal improve ! Disband Vcha .. it’s waste of time and money for JYP…
I thought JYP wanted to address this whole image that VCHA can be themselves, a group very different from a K-pop group. At least J.Y.Park was saying that is an interview just a couple of weeks ago. Now I’m confused, and I’m worried about the other members of VCHA. No doubt that KG wants to resign the contact, but what about the other members? I feel like KG has ruined the other members future activities and career. They could have discussed and negotiated without making it publicly known.
To local K Pop fans I guess seeing how idols have extremely white skin and always and I mean always hungry isn't something to notice. New Jeans VCHA and MADE:IN all going through similar stuff and varying levels of abuse while the companies have brain washed people into believing that you must be a whiter Asian and thin as a rail to show you worked hard at being an idol fits right into the standard of beauty in most Asian countries, yet the only time things ever really more toward a positive direction is when the victims are male in these resent cases they are female victims that the courts will use the " Men have bright futures" bs to NOT give any of the females involved the respect or justice they should have. I already know how my comments will be received so I ask you to go look at the burning sun case and how all the men involved got little to no punishment for what they did including the lose of life it caused and how the public and the court was more worried about the rich men whole since they apologies it was ok because they have bright futures. Its crazy to think even though its public knowledge and very easy to look up what a 360 deal is nobody does and it has been the K pop base contract for years aimed specifically at young children between the ages of 8 and 16 in these contracts companies are aloud to sexulize minors and manipulate all things around them under the label of trainee all forms of abuse is systemically know as training for a trainee once again I ask you to go back to your favorite k pop group and listen to them tell you what they went though as training and you will see they will all say almost the exact same thing while saying "it was training". Funny how all the cases where companies say the trainees owe an astounding amount of money always win in court until years later you find out the companies actually did all the bad stuff the people who filed the lawsuits say they did.
from my humble pov the contract copy is harsh but ok. i believe problem not in the contract - the problem is in the relation between staff and artists. looks like jyp staff went too far with desire to show "these americans" "the real kpop". instead of understanding where they are and with who they work they turned on the worst methodics which certainly could not work in these conditions. again, it's my very personal opinion.
bruh when they signed the contract it was all in korean, they were manipulated AF stop protecting this abusive manipulation, Like how you idols be in debt and is having your earnings as payment for the debt, when all the while you are working/training 24/7 as a CHILD to do so??
I think the member who tried to unalive was Kaylee, and the one doing self harm was Kendall. I mean when I read the post those two came into mind and was for me kind of an obvious thing.
they signed up the show themselves and from the various statements it seems like they barely had time to celebrate their win on a2k which meant they probably had little time to inspect their contracts etc
Common misconceptions in Western society // Let's talk about New Jeans and ILLIT,,they were not created for the desires of pedophiles, and here in Asia, they are never considered as perverted and vulgar purposes like you think,,,they are just considered cute and friendly female idols,,,, Everyone in the world loves babies,,parents would never give birth to babies for pedophilia,,these female idols in K-pop are similar,,,when it comes to pseudo-love partners,,,girl groups are different,,, I think young female idols are considered younger sisters or babies in Asia,,,and they don't arouse sexual desire,, I originally thought that pedophiles were exclusive to Western society,,,but here in Asia, it's not like that,,
That explains why members of Newjeans and ILLIT even Hyein and Iroha who were 14 when they debuted were in list of female idols whose deepfakes were shared in nth room Acting saint here ajussi? 😂
@@Real-ranchia yes ajussi so their deepfakes being available on internet and nth room Means you people don't just think of minor idols as just child or sisters but do attach ur desires on them Right ajussi? Otherwise deepfakes of them won't exist in korean chat room Thus debuting minor idols by these entertainment companies is businesses strategy to attract ped o
Take my comment as grain of salt but I felt like the trouble staff member from JYPE American branch also was work with Twice in the past, which also made Twice members treatment also live in hell.. For Kaylee same as me ISTJ , being with people esp with narcissistic personality is like living hell. They would make you believe all the failure and blame is on you.
This is what I'm thinking too. It must be some old heads trying to prove their way is superior. Either way, they are definitely trying to crush their spirits. It must be day and night compared to the A2K show.
Can you handle everything they went through? Imagine getting treated so horribly that it makes you want to unalive yourself? Why are you normalizing things like these? You are insane and crazy Just because they are Western, that does not mean they are "fRaGiLe" just because crazy people like you are normalizing these horrible abuse and mistreatment even to the point you lose your personality and can't get any sleep, rest, devoloping eating disorders, even when sick and making you repeat a dance move more than 50 times? Imagine what they went through, saying things like this as if you can handle it yourself. (Sorry for my grammar)
@@kpopme7327exactly i dont understand how some people in this comment section is really sitting here trying to justify this its not met for westerners sure but neither is it for ANYBODY else including koreans nobody should be treated like this especially to follow there dreams and you and everyone else knows that the kpop industry when it comes to trying to keep the members well is bad and should not try to be justified like what?
@SuperNova888. yes, absolutely....but I'm not surprised honestly, fans like this are part of the problem, unfortunately, just because it's normalized in Korea doesn't mean it's okay
@kpopme7327 LITERALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING you guys justifying literally just makes it worse and makes them think that its ok to continue with this crazy behavior but honestly as a kpop fan im not even shocked either but just because were fans doesnt mean we cant help out and we need honestly so stuff like this stops happening!!!!
She shoudve never debuted In the first place, She cant dance and way behind the others... Its so weird seeing her making a final line up and somehow end up being their center like She is flat out stiff...i cant imagine the hard ship and crazy practices She needs to endure..
Me too i feel like being an idol under a kpop trainee system doesn't fit with her. She would have been a better solo artist travelling the US. They really wanted to have a american blondie in the group. Poor KG
y'all are twisted this isn't about KG's capability to be an "idol" and questioning it, this is about the abuse and manipulation of the companies that needs to be stopped. Imagine encouraging eating disorders to these children to the point of s*dal thoughts, no amount of reasoning justifies these inhumane acts! No matter the race, how talented, or capable you are, no one deserves to go through all that at a very young age!
I think I disagree. KG was hands-down the most stable and trained vocalist of the group. Not every group focuses primarily on dancing, singing is a HUGE part of being an idol. Like Miyeon from IDLE, or Jisoo from BP, or Belle from KIOF. They’re not the best dancers, but they can all keep up with the choreography, and without them something would be missing. I also feel like KG had the bubbly and creative personality that attracted a lot of fans to the group. I’m sure part of it is also bc they wanted a global girl group and she fits the American beauty standard very well, but saying she doesn’t belong in the final lineup is a stretch
At this moment that really doesn’t matter when the girls were abused to the point of inflicting self h@rm on themselves. KG was allegedly yelled at by the staff just because she wasn’t as of a good dancer and was forced to repeat a dance step 100 times and was not allowed to drink water until she perfected it. That is inhumane treatment that shouldn’t be practiced no matter the skill level 😭
I am sorry but, while I do agree that changes need to absolutely happen....isn't it standard conditions that every trainees had to go through unfortunatly ? We all knew that it's hell and even more so if it leads to nowhere, to not reaching stardom at all. We have countless well established stars who talked about those inhuman conditions, so what were they expecting... Eta : to the little children in the replies : Life is about making constant choices based on information gathering. We all know what's going on in these industries, so well documented infos were readily available, yet they chose to be part of it for their gain despite all the red flags. Even the girl said she'll keep doing what she likes, but under better circumstances🥴,girl, wtf you didn't chose that route instead from the get go thus avoiding all the drama ?? Because of greed. Her thirst for fame overshadowed her self-love itself. Again, these industries need reform and a lot thrown in j4il. However, they were willing, informed, participants and if you think i am being unfair, look the def of that word for one, for two, i am 41 y/o, i am mature and speak from logic, you are not hence why you speak from your feelings. To the girl who said "JYP operates from the US"🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ ma'am, they don't have ethic nor moral. Let me give you the formula to succeed in those undistries : stfu until you make it to a place where your notoriaty is so huge, your company wont be able to take you down. Again, Readily available informations, go ask Got7 guys.
This is different than the trainee rites of passage. See, JYPE said they can live outside the dorm but she was coerced to live in it and was slapped with the rent that the members have to pay. She only gets so little for her salary to the point it's in the negatives (she owes them apparently). She was forced to dance a routine for hours and when she asked for a water break they wouldn't let her. When she broke her shoulder, they wouldn't let her rest which was against the doctor's advice. Basically, she works and pushes her body's limits everyday for nothing.
I agree. Even if it happened in the states they DID say they were training under a KPOP system.....she says she wants to make a way for other idols to speak up yet she herself disregarded what others said in the past bc look at whats happening now.
In my opinion, YG is the only company that takes care of their idol's physical & mental health & protects them from malicious allegations & rumors, they also pay their idols very well. Although they make it a little too hard for idols to debut & make a comeback, but they do prefer quality over quantity. And that's the only downside of YG. Otherwise its the best & the safest company for idols. When people said jyp is the coolest & most moral company, I just laughed looking at the severe mistreatment talented groups like itzy & nmixx faced for years. Itzy's Yuna had so much potential but is being heavily suppressed by the company. She isn't given any opportunities to shine individually. Itzy is really a neglected group along with nmixx in JYP. They are more busy with outdated & overrated groups like twice, trying to sexualize th out of them & milking them dry to earn money while ignoring much more talented groups like itzy & nmixx. JYP is an expert company at wasting talents. Itzy has simply lost their popularity, people forgot about them because of most of their songs being shitty, hence even if they release a banger like 'imaginary friend', people aren't getting interested anymore. Their only way of gaining popularity back would be through Yuna who has the best potential, star power & the most captivating stage presence & visuals to go viral but Jyp is suppressing th out of her & forcefully blending her with the group which is also hindering her personal growth. They are ruining their only chance to gain their popularity back, so there's no way of helping them. They would downplay her on interviews, the members would make fun of her in a very rude way which shouldn't be done on cam. They try to play it as if she's not a big deal & a fool. With how humble Yuna is, she just accepts it all. If Yuna was under YG, with YG's training & promotion, she would've been 10x more popular & successful on another level. Also this Zionist jyp keeps complete control over his idols & their actions, they force the idols to promote israeli products because of which many people boycotted jyp & his idol groups. No matter how good he behaves with people around him on cam, he's a rotten individual. Now you all see for yourselves how rotten him & his company is, literally overworking, starving & abusing their idols with little to no result/success due to negligence & lack of promotion. SM forces their idols to get plastic surgery, ruining their natural looks & aura which also causes many other health issues. And hybe pedophiles binds pretty looking minors with contracts & sexualizes th out of them to sell to the korean pedophile population. All hybe fandom are a bunch of sick pedophiles being obsessed with pretty innocent looking minors cutely dancing in front of them. In a fan meeting of illit & NJ, 95% of the attendees/fans were adult middle aged males in their late 30s & 40s & they were even trying to touch the idols. That's why hybe sexualizes th out of those minors to sell to make temporary money instead of investing in the idol's training/evaluations, so that they can also get rid of them any time they want without suffering any loses. They also prioritize connections over talent & can get rid of anyone who doesn't fit their agenda via unfair means. Absolutely disgusting.
유나는 실력이 뛰어난 대단한 아이돌은 아니다,,,유나는 다만 외모적인 매력이 뛰난 것만이라고 ,,, 당신이 유나의 팬으로 보이는데 지금 보아하니 당신의 정신 상태가 우려가 된다,,,,,유나가 YG에서 아이돌 시작 같은 막연한 가정으로 논리를 전개 하면 다른 사람은 당신을 이상하게 생각할거다 ,, YG 는 단점이 데뷔 간격이 길어서 대부분 연습생들이 데뷔도 못하고 이들 세계에서 나와야 한다는 것이라고 ,,,리스크가 너무 큰것이지,,YG에 입사가 성공의 보장도 아니다,,
뉴진스와 ILLIT에 대해서 말을 해보자,,이들은 아동변태성애자의 욕망을 위해 만들어 진 것이 아니고 여기 아시아 에서는 결코 당신같이 생각하는 변태적이고 저속한 목적이라고 판단하지 않아,,그냥 귀엽고 친근한 여자 아이돌로 여겨지는 것이다,,,, 세계 모든 사람들은 베이비를 좋아한다 ,,부모가 베이비를 아동변태성애 용으로 낳을 리는 없는 것이다,,케이팝의 이 여자 아이돌도 유사 한것이다,,,유사 연애 상대라는 것은 보이그룹이 그것에 해당이고 ,,걸그룹은 다르다고 ,,, 나이가 어린 여자 아이돌는 아시아에서는 여동생 이나 베이비로 여겨지는 것 같아 ,,성적 욕망을 불러들이지 않는다고 ,, 애초 아동변태 성애자는 서구사회의 전유물로 원래 나는 생각한다 ,,그런데 여기 아시아에서는 아니라고,,
Hold up. This is crazy!!! When niziu debuted they had mihii go into hiatus because of “oersonal health reasons” and then it became sus when Kaylee had to. This sucks so bad. JYPE needs to be shut down
The heartlessness of the JYPE statement is very telling
It's not just JYP. All companies do this. JYP is the least harmful of aaaaall companies. Koreans are just used to it. I personally wouldn't survive a day in that environment.
Have you heard about Loona? Momoland? New Jeans? (g)idle? They got worse situation with their scum companies.
That's why I admire all K-idols. They're resilient.
its JYPE USA not JYPE Korea
@@Vendell_23regardless if it‘s in Korea or in the United States, this is not a contract as it‘s both CORPORATE SLAVERY and RESERVED CLAUSE, and if you want to know the latter, please read all about the history of Major League Baseball between the 1940s to 1970s.
@@lexjordan9910quoting former WWE Champion Kurt Angle, “it’s true, it‘s damn true!”
8:38 these people act like they could make it in the Korean trainee system just cause they are Korean. Delusional
그것은 사실이다,,, 케이팝 아이돌 육성체제는 한국인이 기준이라고 ,,한국인이 전세계에서 가장 잘해낸다고,,사실을 인정하기로 하자
Prime example of the delusion in action^
@@wendystewart2088 막상 케이팝 아이돌 지망 연습생들은 아무도 불만을 제기 하지 않고 연습에 임한다고 ,,,힘들면 스스로 나간다 ,,,,미국인들만이 호들갑이지
@@Real-ranchia Abuse is still abuse, Korean culture is also different and they are told to endure and deal with it
@@water6019 여기 한국에서는 전부 미국인의 그러한 풍조에 대해서 비웃는다고 ,, 여기 아시아에서는 그러한 일로 소송이나 고발을 하지 않아 ,,그냥 조용히 자퇴 한다고 ,,아시아 사람 같으면 이 문제는 KG의 개인문제로 취급 한다 ,,학대라고 전혀 생각을 안하거든,,
급여 지급 문제는 계약서 대로 시행 한것이고 회사는 맴버를 속이지 않는다고,,속이면 소송을 당해서이다,,급여 문제는 kg가 소송에서 패배 할것이다 ,,케이팝에서는 원래 웝급제가 아니다 ,,즉 고정 급여는 원래 없다
why would anyone make this up? especially KG whose dream it was to be a kpop idol. JYP response to blame KG and say it is affecting VCHA and the JYP organization is disgusting and saying that she is lying about all this too? i cant wait until they are sued for all they are worth.
It is JYPE USA. The company should follow US law (California).
as far as we know they have, until the lawsuit is conducted and finalized we don't know what laws were broken. Alleging someone did something is not the same as the law and judge saying this law was broken.
All talk and can't believe this happened. This is crazy and hope we see some change here as this is ridiculous. Keep fighting KG.
These companies don't treat trainees and idols as people, they treat them like things. The contracts and treatment are and always have been predatory. It's disgusting that people expect them to endure such horrible treatment.
그런데 현실은 한국 엔터사가 하는대로 해야만 성공하고 만약 당신 말대로 하면 실패 한다 ,,이러한 육성체제의 결과로 당신들이 케이팝을 감상하게 된것이다,,, 즉 한국식의 우월성인데 이는 미국도 일본도 다 실패 한거라고 ,,막상 한국인들은 이러한 체제에 대해 불만이 없이 잘 적용한다고
them saying her claims are “exaggerated” is perfect for when they take it to court. prove their clear negligence & how her allegations as “exaggerations”
the system that abuses its workers should indeed collapse.
8:00 '...may struggle to adapt to these norms.', that sentence alone tells you everything you need to know about the general SK society. You really think idols speaking up about what they endure will evoke change when the society doesn't see a problem with the treatment?
이번 사건 정도로는 케이팝 시스템은 변화를 가져오지 못하며 달라지지 않는다 ,,이유는 현대의 시스템은 매우 성공적이고 아이돌 및 엔터사에다 막대한 이윤을 창출해서이지,,,, 왜 바꾸려 할까???,,,,막상 한국인 연습생들이 잘해내므로 외국인에게 문호가 닫혀지는 결과만 예상이 된다,,한국내에서 현재 이러한 목소리가 높아지고 잇다
That some Korean netizens view this treatment as "okay" is just pure insanity. There are some seriously deep-seeded extreme issues in their culture when it comes to celebrities and work culture in general. In America, you can still have a career after committing actual heinous crimes. In SK, you can't have a career without giving up your mental health and bodily autonomy. Two extremes that are both very wrong. Somebody needs to break the K-Pop system.
그런데 현실은 한국 엔터사가 하는대로 해야만 성공하고 만약 당신 말대로 하면 실패 한다 ,,이러한 육성체제의 결과로 당신들이 케이팝을 감상하게 된것이다,,, 즉 한국식의 우월성인데 이는 미국도 일본도 다 실패 한거라고 ,,막상 한국인들은 이러한 체제에 대해 불만이 없이 잘 적응을 한다고
@@Real-ranchia Your defense is disgusting. No wonder why you have the highest rate of self-exit there.
@@spectral__ 우리나라에서는 이 사건을 어떻게 보는가 하면 당연히 아이돌 훈련은 힘들어야 하고 다이어트는 당연히 해내야 한다고 본다고 ,,다이어트를 못하면 한국에서 비웃음 대상 이야,,,,사실 여자에게 가장 쉬운 일이 다이어트이지,
어떤 한국인도 어느 아시아인도 이러한 문제로 회사에 소송을 걸지 않고 언론에다 기사화 하지 않아,,이번 사건의 배경은 박진영의 무리한 과욕 였지,,다음의 이유가 브이차가 전체적으로 실력이 매우 부족한 팀 였다,,
@@Real-ranchia Starvation isn't a "diet." You don't understand science at all. You're completely brainwashed and delusional. I would say get help, but South Korea also stigmatizes therapy. So sad.
@@spectral__ 다이어트는 미용 이유 이외에 건강을 위해서이다,,, 알다시피 성인병의 대부분이 비만이 주이유 라고,,,
나는 성인남자 이지만 오랜 기간 음식을 적게 먹는 생활로 체중이 적으며 몸은 아주 건강하다
많은 미국인들이 과잉 섭취로 인해 비만에 시달린다,,미국인들의 평균 체중을 보자고 ,,,당신들은 아주 단순한 음식 조절 조차도 못하는가 말이다,,, 우리들이 보기에는 미국인은 아주 열등하게 보인다고
The fact that this is normalized among all Korean entertainment industry for years and people still think being a kpop idol would be amazing😅. The idols literally work non-stop with little break and most are in debt or make barely anything. It’s normalized in Asian culture as well that people need to look, eat, or act a certain way. As an Asian myself I grew up thinking I had to be someone, study and was often put down by relatives, my dad’s side of the family literally traumatized me so I hate visiting them. I got to the point where I would avoid or hide from them when I see them. 😂
Nah , don’t hide from them 😖 just ate them up with your success ✨😭 I used to feel that way but now I make ton of money and I start to insult them back 😆
아니다 ,,당신이 잘못 알고 있는것이고 아이돌이 인기를 못 얻고 실패를 해도 부채를 인수하지 않는다고 ,,맴버에게 부채가 부과는 안시킨다고,,그것이 케이팝 시스템이다 ,,케이팝의 그중 걸그룹은 대부분 아이돌이 성공 못하고 거의 수입이 없이 은퇴는 실제 그러하다 ,,보이그룹은 보다 결과가 더 낫다
그런데 이는 개인에게 강요에서가 아니고 스스로 선택한 것이라고 ,,어려운것은 회사도 마찬가지라고 ,,대부분은 투자금을 회수도 못하고 손실 상태로 사업을 포기 한다 ,,즉 승자는 없고 대부분이 패자 라고 ,,그런데도 하려고 들거든
I remember abt momo's water diet, jihyo's humiliation when jyp himself asked her if she felt or think she's pretty w/ her weight. Or even how jypnstaff ignored IU whwn she tried to audition at jyp. While jyp himself keep focusing in himself as an artist, he also failed miserably in dealing or handling some of his prmosing trainees. Can't help to conclude that he had favoritism towrads some other grps. He ignored his talentwd boygrps while elevating himself, keep milking twice while underpromoting his existing grps. That's why among all companies, i still thunk yg treat its trainees better. Yg isn't probably the best but through the yrs, his artists that left the company didn't have much bad things to say..only probably the less promotions. But he hinself don't force his artists ro go on strict diet but i'm sure they all undergo into healthy diet education etc so it's all up to the artists to motivate themselves to look & feel good abt being an idol in the limelight all the time. He even let ikon, bigbang, & other solo artists bring their names, trademark etc outside of YG when tbey didn't renew contracts. And most kpop idols who become richest came from yg too.
You've clearly missed some stuff like YGs CEO dating his future wife while she was still a minor and dissolving her group because he didnt want her to have a career, how badly 2NE1 esp CL were treated etc.
@@aligensaI miss Swi.T. They would have been successful if YG had not sabotage them.
I knew it was bad they are clips of kaylee judging herself review videos. I knew something was up the girls looked at each other and tried to encourage her. Kaylee just wanted to be good enough and had not the chance grow into herself mentally. This is why i side with nwjns over hybe the company never has good intentions they expect asian works to keep quite and koi but that doesnt work with american girls
Hold up. This is crazy!!! When niziu debuted they had mihii go into hiatus because of “oersonal health reasons” and then it became sus when Kaylee had to. This sucks so bad. JYPE needs to be shut down
JYPE USA,JYPE KOREA and JYPE JAPAN are different and tell me do any other companies allow their idols to go on hiatus? Imo JYPE USA needs to shut down
Unfortunately every single company assigns “personalities” to each member. This is nothing new. One of the best examples is J-Hope since literally everyone in Kpop has at least heard of BTS whether they’re a fan or not. During a vlive right before DNA era Suga mentioned how he was surprised that the personality/character Hobi was given was to be the member who is always happy, silly, aka the Sunshine of BTS. Yoongi said he couldn’t imagine it because Hobi was the most depressed person he ever met, and that holds quite a bit of weight since we know Yoongi has suffered from depression for such a long time. I can’t remember where Hobi said this (whether it was during Run! BTS, an interview, live stream) but he was asked something along the lines of “what’s something that is your charm”? And Hobi replied by saying that his tears are his charms since ARMY rarely ever gets to see them. There’s been ex-idols who’ve talked about how just how strict companies/managers are about their physical appearance and how before they debut they each have an assigned personality and a certain character they all had to portray in the group. And also how idols can only let the stylists trim their eyebrows, cut/dye their hair, trim their nails etc. (I think we all had a mini heart attack when none other than the one and only Worldwide Handsome Mr Kim Seokjin uploaded a video of himself cutting his down hair with those massive scissors 😩 😅 the posted shortly after about he got in big trouble and was scolded 😂)
Also when Sunoo rolled his eyes in a livestream he quickly covered his face laughing saying that he forgot the camera was there and that he needs to keep his expressions in check. 😂
I think we all know what’s going on in companies and we all know that groups have to work their a$$es off to maintain everything, however it’s very unfortunate and upsetting hearing about the shocking conditions that were implemented on VCHA…. Especially since they live in the USA. They’re an international group under JYPE living in the USA and there’s very strict laws surrounding minors who work. I’m actually surprised that they implemented the same strict Korean standards onto VCHA. During the audition process JYP even said that he was specifically making this group because he wanted international fans to have a group that they could connect better with. He wanted VCHA to be the group that “look just like us” (international fans) and speak the same language. The girls are so talented and were chasing their dream thinking it would be incredible. I feel for them so much.
I have known BTS for 10 years. I used to watch and translate a lot of their vlives, and I don't remember Suga saying anything like that. Did you just make that up? Can you give us a link to a video where he says that?
@ no I didn’t make it up. I’ll try to find it and put it the link. Suga said his name should’ve been “J-Sad not J-Hope” I’ll look for it (edit - autocorrect changed “Suga” to “Saugus” 😭)
The part about J-Hope was very interesting, never heard that before.
I hate when groups with really young members are called Kid groups. Look at boy story! With some promotion but not that much. Boy story were really young when they debuted. One of them was about 13-10 which is really messed up.
I appreciate the way this channel reports the issue in a factual manner 💯
Now KG is an idol worth applauding and listening to, if what she claims in her lawsuit statement (which I've read) is true, then she really is fighting against a system that is as inherently cruel as it is flawed. She's taking a stand not just for herself, but for any other trainee/idol experiencing actual abuse, not the I-was-ignored-by-2-people-on-separate-occasions bullcrap that New Jeans is pulling instead of taking responsibility for their statements. Those girls have NOTHING to show for all their claims and high-and-mighty words. KG has actual evidence to prove what happened to her, and what's more, she's approaching the situation correctly - by filing a lawsuit so that this issue gets resolved in actual court, not in the court of public opinion.
Thank you. ❤️ yes, KG kept making this point that she is doing this not only for herself but also for other trainees and idols
KG had the wrong idea that becoming a k-pop idol would be as easy as flipping burgers at McDonald's.
Becoming a classic musician, a ballet dancer, a doctor or a lawyer all require insane amount of dedication. K-pop artist is just another job that requires lots of discipline if you want to suceed.
KG was a disaster in the making from the beginning.
@@ginapark9902 The difference between discipline and abuse is that discipline is a CHOICE you make yourself. Abuse is having your choice taken away from you. For your benefit, here is the definition of abuse: violent or cruel treatment, especially regular or repeated over time. Read the lawsuit she filed, and then maybe we can discuss this better.
아니다 당신은 이사건의 여파/악영향을 내다 보지 못하는군,,,kg의 소송의 제기 및 결과에 무관하게 한국의 엔터사가 타국가에 현지 아이돌그룹의 추가 창단에다 막대한 지장이 초래되고 할거야,,,앞으로 한국인 및 아시아계 출신 아이돌만 구경할거라고 ,,아마도 당신들이 케이팝에 대해 보이콧에 참여할거라 이들 조차도 스스로 차단할것 같다,,장기간 냉각이 될것으로 추정 가능하다
Pls support KG and other idols they are victims of k-pop industry.This type of toxic practices in k-pop industry for decades. We need to Stop this by boycotting k-pop industry and supporting GK and other victims.
8:40 You can absolutely train super hard and get up to Idol status without Mental, verbal and physical abuse. Anyone who tells you otherwise benefits from that abuse in some way. Also Kpop time tables are WAY to unrealistic, instead of traumatizing these people to get them out and making money faster, take a little longer and debut them without rushing. I am willing to wait for my Idols if it means they aren't being abused. I don't care if its "your culture" your culture is fucked up in this regard and it needs to change. Just because its normalized, it doesn't make it right.
The K-pop training system is not slavery, it is completely based on voluntaryness, the reason is that if it gets hard, you can give up voluntarily at any time, the door is always open, and if the trainee feels that they can't take it anymore, they can always kick the company out,, The reason why Korean trainees don't leave or give up is because they have excellent qualities and tough spirit, and they are not weak like KG.
If they control small things like hair color, personality and skin color you don’t think they are controlling your ability to “create” that’s why very few kpop idols are in categories of “artists”. Majority don’t create art. It’s bubble gum factory machines. Everything majority of the world knew of kpop. A lot of ctrl+Copy and paste. Which why for me, I don’t really rock with kpop but I rock with select groups that I think have gotten passed that tough controlled aspect of their career. But girl groups have it worse, so for me I don’t support. They want the female idols so thin it’s sometimes looks like underage kids acting “sexy” on stage (cringe). Remember the camera adds 10lbs. And if they look frail and in some aspects anorexic on screen how thin are they in real life? I hope things change.
i just don't understand. a lot of people under this video are saying "can't believe it happened!" or "i didn't know!". But we all know deep down that this industry is like that, trainees have to dance all day, they have to not gain weight, AND WE KNOW THAT. I don't understand why everyone keeps acting like they didn't know and continue to listen to kpop. Sakura cried in a video while talking about diets. Some idols commited s**c*de cz it was too hard. in the survival show starlight boys, trainees had to dance nonstop. like u basically know that it happened, but u continue to listen to kpop and act surprise ! it's hypocrisy
Jyp stepped down as CEO, Jung Wook is messing up your namesake Park Jin-Young!
Even when JYP was in charge, there was still stuff similar to this going on.
@@bluesidecollection he stopped being ceo from 2011 so everything that happened after that is not his fault
You do understand he stepped down 2011 so it has nothing to do with him. I don’t understand why y’all love bringing him into the conversation when he has nothing to do with this. Y’all blame everything that happens to his artist like he’s with them 24/7 🙄
@@MONICAGUTIERREZ-lf5muI think they do that because it has his name on it & they don’t know who to blame other than him
A lot of things in that statement does not make sense to me .
Exactly i dont understand how some people in this comment section is really sitting here trying to justify this its not met for westerners sure but neither is it for ANYBODY else including koreans nobody should be treated like this especially to follow there dreams and you and everyone else knows that the kpop industry when it comes to trying to keep the members well is bad and should not try to be justified like what?(i reposted my comment btw if it sounds directed towards someone😭)
I feel like if this went on with a more popular group that had koreans that a lot of these people wouldn't be sitting here trying to justify it so bad like be fr im tired with the double standards🙏some of you guys are the reason why some companies think they could get away with this stuff instead of us trying to work against the companies you never know if we could all make even a slight change with these companies.
이번 사건 정도로는 케이팝 시스템은 변화를 가져오지 못하며 달라지지 않는다 ,,이유는 현재의 시스템은 매우 성공적이고 아이돌 및 엔터사에다 막대한 이윤을 창출해서이지,,,, 왜 바꾸려 할까???,,,,막상 한국인 연습생들이 잘해내므로 외국인에게 문호가 닫혀지는 결과만 예상이 된다,,한국내에서 현재 이러한 목소리가 높아지고 잇다
But I’m not shocked to hear this about JYP
Momo had to eat nothing but ice cubes to lose weight and was even afraid to sleep because she might not wake up so im not surprised..
@@kimyoung3160I heard about that situation
This is very sad. Proud of KG for speaking up.
This incident is very likely to go in an unfortunate direction. //First of all, this incident will not bring about change in the K-pop system and it will not change. The reason is that the current system is very successful and creates huge profits for idols and entertainment companies. Why would they want to change it???,,,, Since Korean trainees are doing well, it is expected that Korean entertainment companies will close their doors to foreigners from Western societies. There are currently growing voices like this in Korea.
The court should order an inspection of all the kpop companies operational there. Whatever the results USA should set an example with this case
Hope they can come to an understanding. KG stay with VCHA
That's is why 6 members still existed today
i guess welcome to kpop industry
Guys kaylee goes to my school I can confirm it isnt her she seems like she is happy and has a bright future ahead of her academically shes doing rly great we talk everyday in english so she seems chill rn
Kaylee is only 14 😭
She already tried to unalive her self 😭
Were they in the US?? Cause there traineez ususally stay at a company dorm in Korea.
The lawsuit is filed against JYPE, so the differentiation between US and Korea when both are under the same name is pointless.
@@_n_a-ez5pc no its JYPE USA Inc... its in the states and in California
Guess Jype bought a house for them in Cali. That’s part of her dispute, the trainees were charged for the house purchase.
This is a JYP branch in California. Vcha is subject to US and State of California Law.
Poor girl🙁
Um, the hairstyle and stuff is the same as theatre, only you do it for a long time. It's not that bad. The other stuff is normal for k-pop, although I agree some changes especially for minors should be done.
While very bothering, nothing will change from this lawsuit, other than maybe JYP paying some settlement fees and possibly abandoning their US division down the road. The only way change happens is if it happens in Korea but everyone knows that isn't happening.
How do we view this incident in our country? It is natural that idol training should be hard and dieting should be done,,if you can't diet, you are laughed at in Korea,,,,In fact, dieting is the easiest thing for women.
No Korean or Asian has sued the company for this problem and the media has not reported it.,,The background of this incident was Park Jin-young's excessive greed,,the next reason is that V-Cha was a team with very poor skills overall,,
KG's claim may be exaggerated, but it's probably true. The training and daily lives of K-pop idols are widely known. It's not a secret. And Korean entertainment companies are similar and there's not much difference between them. As a Korean, I understand your anger. It's probably hard to suppress your anger.
In the Korean entertainment industry, is it possible for a company to exploit or abuse its singers???,,,,, Not at all!!!! //
If a contract between a company and a singer is violated, the singer will immediately file a lawsuit. It is actually impossible for a company to deceive the singer or embezzle or exploit a large amount of money. The reason is that the contract can be terminated.
The abuse you think of will be denied here in Korea and is an ordinary daily life. Koreans and Asians value cooperation and harmony and are collective, but your country looks strange to us. The social structure here is different from your country
I knew along time ago when the TWICE ladies were beginning that JYP was NOT treating them right either.
They were held like slaves and every aspect of their "training" and rehearsal were brutal.
Then there is the FACT that TWICE NEVER received proper compensation for all their hard work that the company did NOT pay them for.
Concerts, merchandising, Social Media events as other money making venues that generated large sums were barely if any, given to the ladies.
It was about 6 or 7 years into TWICE's run that member networths were being reported that I found just how little they had made after all their hard work. Each girl should have been multimillionaires but sadly Tzuyu was the only member to have accumulated just a bit over 2 million. The others "earned" around a million or less apiece.
I had suggested to the ladies that they EACH get their own entertainment lawyer and accountant to watch out for them.
I'm guessing that ALL their correspondence either thru emails etc was being censored by JYP.
THAT, IS CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!
I get that the ladies were grateful for being able to become a part of such a talented and popular group but at least after a year of two when the promotor/producer has recouped their initial investment, SHOULD have been compensating the talent A LOT MORE than they have been.
I know that other promotors and producer companies have done worse to their talent but as of right now, JYP is in the spotlight and should be the ones to take the brunt of the crimes.
An assault of American Hollywood entertainment lawyers should be ascending on Korea!!!
THEY need them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
하하 당신은 잘모르고 추측을 하는중이다,,회사와 가수들과 체결한 계약을 위반시에 가수는 바로 소송에 들어간다,,회사가 가수들을 속이려한다던가 거액의 돈을 횡령이나 수탈은 실제로 불가능하다 ,,이유는 이는 계약 해지가 가능해서이다,,당신들이 생각하는 그 학대라는것은 여기 한국에서 부정될것이고 평범한 일상이란 점이다,,한국인 및 아시아인은 협력과 조화를 중시 하고 집단적인데 우리들이 보기에는 당신네 나라가 이상하게 보인다고 ,,,여기는 당신들 나라와는 사회구조가 다르다,,,트와이스가 회사로 부터 받는 분배금은 계약서에 입각해서이고 그러면 합법인것이다,,,, 계약에 위반시에는 바로 소송에 들어간다고 ,,거기는 맴버가 무려 11명이지 ,,왜 조용한가 말이다
케이팝 훈련체계는 노예적인것이 아니다,,완전히 자발성에 근거 한다고,,이유는 힘들면 언제든지 자진 포기가 가능하다고,,도어는 항상 열려져 잇고 ,,연습생은 더이상 못 견딘다고 생각하면 언제든지 회사를 박차고 나가면 된다고,,
한국 연습생들이 이탈이나 포기를 안하는 이유는 그들이 우수한 자질 및 터프한 근성을 가져서이고 kg같이 나약하지 않아서이다
@@Real-ranchia NO ONE is protected by who they work for!!!!!!!!!!!
They need their OWN lawyer to protect them.
I may not know all the particulars but one thing is for sure, something it going on and it isn't good.
There are many horror stories about promoters and producers causing harm to the talent.
Too many witnesses have seen this happen.
WHO are you? A member of JYP?????
The reason TWICE is "quiet" is that they are afraid and seem to have NO ONE to protect them.
@@robertpage2023 상세한 내막이 알려지는것은 소송이 벌어져서 그 내용이 언론에 보도가 되는 시점 같다,,일단 계약에 위반 여부인데 계약 에는 아마도 허용이 되는 것으로 기재가 될것이다 ,,다음으로는 xg가 당한 일이 미국의 현지 법에 위반 여부 인데 아마도 유죄로 나오고 할것이지,,미국 판사는 외국인 회사에 관대 하지않아 ,,
소송의 결과에 무관하게 박진영은 이번 사태로 막대한 이미지 타격을 입을 것이다,,외국인 특히나 미국인에 대해 배척 풍조가 유포가 될것이고,,,,결국에 박진영의 과오로 판정이 날것이지,,
그리고 트와이스는 도대체 학대라고 누가 말을 하는가???? ,,,,이봐,,트와이스는 케이팝 가수라고,,,,, 한국인이 대다수이고 한국내에 문제 제기가 아니면 이들은 학대를 당한것이 아니라고,,
다른 케이팝 가수들과 비교하여 트와이스가 부당한 처우를 당햇다는 근거는 있는가??,,그리고 당신은 외국인인데 한국어도 모르면서 트와이스의 일상에 대해 상세한 내용을 아는가 ???
After this 100% for sure there won’t be any Kpop companies trying to recruit westerners especially the Americans … Strawberry generation who can’t even go through half of YG simple training or whatever half lBlackpink / Twice / Itzy and Aespa went through ..
No talent is fine but at least try to follow the company rules that had create many successful Kpop artist .. KG do sucks at dance and forcing go repeat many times is common in Kpop … watch back the video how Soyeon from Gidle drill her members and how hard JYP was on Itzy which resulted a famously reward .. watch / listen to “Imaginary friends” from Itzy and see how much their vocal improve !
Disband Vcha .. it’s waste of time and money for JYP…
I thought JYP wanted to address this whole image that VCHA can be themselves, a group very different from a K-pop group. At least J.Y.Park was saying that is an interview just a couple of weeks ago. Now I’m confused, and I’m worried about the other members of VCHA. No doubt that KG wants to resign the contact, but what about the other members? I feel like KG has ruined the other members future activities and career. They could have discussed and negotiated without making it publicly known.
'Westerners' when there are literally dozens on Korean-american and asian-american kpop idols who are successful...
To local K Pop fans I guess seeing how idols have extremely white skin and always and I mean always hungry isn't something to notice. New Jeans VCHA and MADE:IN all going through similar stuff and varying levels of abuse while the companies have brain washed people into believing that you must be a whiter Asian and thin as a rail to show you worked hard at being an idol fits right into the standard of beauty in most Asian countries, yet the only time things ever really more toward a positive direction is when the victims are male in these resent cases they are female victims that the courts will use the " Men have bright futures" bs to NOT give any of the females involved the respect or justice they should have. I already know how my comments will be received so I ask you to go look at the burning sun case and how all the men involved got little to no punishment for what they did including the lose of life it caused and how the public and the court was more worried about the rich men whole since they apologies it was ok because they have bright futures. Its crazy to think even though its public knowledge and very easy to look up what a 360 deal is nobody does and it has been the K pop base contract for years aimed specifically at young children between the ages of 8 and 16 in these contracts companies are aloud to sexulize minors and manipulate all things around them under the label of trainee all forms of abuse is systemically know as training for a trainee once again I ask you to go back to your favorite k pop group and listen to them tell you what they went though as training and you will see they will all say almost the exact same thing while saying "it was training". Funny how all the cases where companies say the trainees owe an astounding amount of money always win in court until years later you find out the companies actually did all the bad stuff the people who filed the lawsuits say they did.
New jeans are brats..
Madein and Vcha are real victims
@@juasworld8633can you not drag new jeans in this situation you don’t even know what’s going on behind the scenes
i wanna be wish add going to member 8 groups cristina,gina,yuna in mr ceo jyp🙏🙏🙏 stop abuse in kpop company like sample bp,baby monster.😓
from my humble pov the contract copy is harsh but ok. i believe problem not in the contract - the problem is in the relation between staff and artists. looks like jyp staff went too far with desire to show "these americans" "the real kpop". instead of understanding where they are and with who they work they turned on the worst methodics which certainly could not work in these conditions.
again, it's my very personal opinion.
bruh when they signed the contract it was all in korean, they were manipulated AF stop protecting this abusive manipulation, Like how you idols be in debt and is having your earnings as payment for the debt, when all the while you are working/training 24/7 as a CHILD to do so??
The problem is the contract, the financial scummy stuff, is quite illegal in the US.
This is a toxic system that worked because Korean society supports this but this is high time to stop this system .
@jbonceu2457 wouldn't that be illegal
@@bluesidecollection It is that's why Kg is suing
I think the member who tried to unalive was Kaylee, and the one doing self harm was Kendall. I mean when I read the post those two came into mind and was for me kind of an obvious thing.
Where they force to sign the contract?
they signed up the show themselves and from the various statements it seems like they barely had time to celebrate their win on a2k which meant they probably had little time to inspect their contracts etc
Just because they weren't force doesn't make these slave contracts right does it.
Fr like they thought they ate with that comment be so fr😭😭😭@@esgeee9700
also didn't they sign the contract??????????????? why NOT FOR MONEY AND FAME
Common misconceptions in Western society // Let's talk about New Jeans and ILLIT,,they were not created for the desires of pedophiles, and here in Asia, they are never considered as perverted and vulgar purposes like you think,,,they are just considered cute and friendly female idols,,,,
Everyone in the world loves babies,,parents would never give birth to babies for pedophilia,,these female idols in K-pop are similar,,,when it comes to pseudo-love partners,,,girl groups are different,,,
I think young female idols are considered younger sisters or babies in Asia,,,and they don't arouse sexual desire,,
I originally thought that pedophiles were exclusive to Western society,,,but here in Asia, it's not like that,,
That explains why members of Newjeans and ILLIT even Hyein and Iroha who were 14 when they debuted were in list of female idols whose deepfakes were shared in nth room
Acting saint here ajussi? 😂
@@ShaShashhhh 케이팝 아이돌만이 아니고 그러한 사진 조작에 의한 성상품화는 인터넷이나 쇼시얼미디어에서 풍부하게 재료를 구할수가 잇다고 ,,,나의 말은 엔터회사가 데뷔를 시키는 어린나이 여자 아이돌에 대해서 이다 ,,
@@Real-ranchia yes ajussi so their deepfakes being available on internet and nth room
Means you people don't just think of minor idols as just child or sisters but do attach ur desires on them
Right ajussi? Otherwise deepfakes of them won't exist in korean chat room
Thus debuting minor idols by these entertainment companies is businesses strategy to attract ped o
昔からよく言われる、”ケツアゴの女には気を付けろ”って格言通りになったな。。。ワイの推しのジーナちゃんがいれば間に入って良い緩衝役になったろうに。今からでも遅くないからジーナを戻して再デビューや！
Take my comment as grain of salt but I felt like the trouble staff member from JYPE American branch also was work with Twice in the past, which also made Twice members treatment also live in hell.. For Kaylee same as me ISTJ , being with people esp with narcissistic personality is like living hell. They would make you believe all the failure and blame is on you.
This is what I'm thinking too. It must be some old heads trying to prove their way is superior. Either way, they are definitely trying to crush their spirits. It must be day and night compared to the A2K show.
kpop is kpop
it's not pop
if you want pop you go to a pop label......
yes some things need to change but the kpop industry is not for westerners tbh
Can you handle everything they went through? Imagine getting treated so horribly that it makes you want to unalive yourself? Why are you normalizing things like these? You are insane and crazy
Just because they are Western, that does not mean they are "fRaGiLe" just because crazy people like you are normalizing these horrible abuse and mistreatment even to the point you lose your personality and can't get any sleep, rest, devoloping eating disorders, even when sick and making you repeat a dance move more than 50 times? Imagine what they went through, saying things like this as if you can handle it yourself.
(Sorry for my grammar)
SOMETHING LIKE THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN....
@@kpopme7327exactly i dont understand how some people in this comment section is really sitting here trying to justify this its not met for westerners sure but neither is it for ANYBODY else including koreans nobody should be treated like this especially to follow there dreams and you and everyone else knows that the kpop industry when it comes to trying to keep the members well is bad and should not try to be justified like what?
@SuperNova888. yes, absolutely....but I'm not surprised honestly, fans like this are part of the problem, unfortunately, just because it's normalized in Korea doesn't mean it's okay
@kpopme7327 LITERALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING you guys justifying literally just makes it worse and makes them think that its ok to continue with this crazy behavior but honestly as a kpop fan im not even shocked either but just because were fans doesnt mean we cant help out and we need honestly so stuff like this stops happening!!!!
She shoudve never debuted In the first place, She cant dance and way behind the others... Its so weird seeing her making a final line up and somehow end up being their center like She is flat out stiff...i cant imagine the hard ship and crazy practices She needs to endure..
Me too i feel like being an idol under a kpop trainee system doesn't fit with her. She would have been a better solo artist travelling the US. They really wanted to have a american blondie in the group. Poor KG
y'all are twisted this isn't about KG's capability to be an "idol" and questioning it, this is about the abuse and manipulation of the companies that needs to be stopped. Imagine encouraging eating disorders to these children to the point of s*dal thoughts, no amount of reasoning justifies these inhumane acts! No matter the race, how talented, or capable you are, no one deserves to go through all that at a very young age!
I think I disagree. KG was hands-down the most stable and trained vocalist of the group. Not every group focuses primarily on dancing, singing is a HUGE part of being an idol. Like Miyeon from IDLE, or Jisoo from BP, or Belle from KIOF. They’re not the best dancers, but they can all keep up with the choreography, and without them something would be missing.
I also feel like KG had the bubbly and creative personality that attracted a lot of fans to the group. I’m sure part of it is also bc they wanted a global girl group and she fits the American beauty standard very well, but saying she doesn’t belong in the final lineup is a stretch
At this moment that really doesn’t matter when the girls were abused to the point of inflicting self h@rm on themselves. KG was allegedly yelled at by the staff just because she wasn’t as of a good dancer and was forced to repeat a dance step 100 times and was not allowed to drink water until she perfected it. That is inhumane treatment that shouldn’t be practiced no matter the skill level 😭
You can't justify jype's harassment, torture, assault and many more crural things by saying this. They are human not their robotic puppet .
I am sorry but, while I do agree that changes need to absolutely happen....isn't it standard conditions that every trainees had to go through unfortunatly ? We all knew that it's hell and even more so if it leads to nowhere, to not reaching stardom at all. We have countless well established stars who talked about those inhuman conditions, so what were they expecting...
Eta : to the little children in the replies : Life is about making constant choices based on information gathering. We all know what's going on in these industries, so well documented infos were readily available, yet they chose to be part of it for their gain despite all the red flags. Even the girl said she'll keep doing what she likes, but under better circumstances🥴,girl, wtf you didn't chose that route instead from the get go thus avoiding all the drama ??
Because of greed. Her thirst for fame overshadowed her self-love itself.
Again, these industries need reform and a lot thrown in j4il. However, they were willing, informed, participants and if you think i am being unfair, look the def of that word for one, for two, i am 41 y/o, i am mature and speak from logic, you are not hence why you speak from your feelings. To the girl who said "JYP operates from the US"🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ ma'am, they don't have ethic nor moral.
Let me give you the formula to succeed in those undistries : stfu until you make it to a place where your notoriaty is so huge, your company wont be able to take you down. Again, Readily available informations, go ask Got7 guys.
it doesnt work like how it does in korea.. this happened in the states..
This is different than the trainee rites of passage.
See, JYPE said they can live outside the dorm but she was coerced to live in it and was slapped with the rent that the members have to pay. She only gets so little for her salary to the point it's in the negatives (she owes them apparently). She was forced to dance a routine for hours and when she asked for a water break they wouldn't let her. When she broke her shoulder, they wouldn't let her rest which was against the doctor's advice.
Basically, she works and pushes her body's limits everyday for nothing.
@@dragvibeplus @andreahl3494 Ok let me both ask you this :
Does this company known for their good moral and ethics ?
This type of thinking is what’s propagating the problem. It’s basically a roundabout way to victim blame.
I agree. Even if it happened in the states they DID say they were training under a KPOP system.....she says she wants to make a way for other idols to speak up yet she herself disregarded what others said in the past bc look at whats happening now.
In my opinion, YG is the only company that takes care of their idol's physical & mental health & protects them from malicious allegations & rumors, they also pay their idols very well. Although they make it a little too hard for idols to debut & make a comeback, but they do prefer quality over quantity. And that's the only downside of YG. Otherwise its the best & the safest company for idols.
When people said jyp is the coolest & most moral company, I just laughed looking at the severe mistreatment talented groups like itzy & nmixx faced for years. Itzy's Yuna had so much potential but is being heavily suppressed by the company. She isn't given any opportunities to shine individually. Itzy is really a neglected group along with nmixx in JYP. They are more busy with outdated & overrated groups like twice, trying to sexualize th out of them & milking them dry to earn money while ignoring much more talented groups like itzy & nmixx. JYP is an expert company at wasting talents. Itzy has simply lost their popularity, people forgot about them because of most of their songs being shitty, hence even if they release a banger like 'imaginary friend', people aren't getting interested anymore. Their only way of gaining popularity back would be through Yuna who has the best potential, star power & the most captivating stage presence & visuals to go viral but Jyp is suppressing th out of her & forcefully blending her with the group which is also hindering her personal growth. They are ruining their only chance to gain their popularity back, so there's no way of helping them. They would downplay her on interviews, the members would make fun of her in a very rude way which shouldn't be done on cam. They try to play it as if she's not a big deal & a fool. With how humble Yuna is, she just accepts it all. If Yuna was under YG, with YG's training & promotion, she would've been 10x more popular & successful on another level. Also this Zionist jyp keeps complete control over his idols & their actions, they force the idols to promote israeli products because of which many people boycotted jyp & his idol groups. No matter how good he behaves with people around him on cam, he's a rotten individual. Now you all see for yourselves how rotten him & his company is, literally overworking, starving & abusing their idols with little to no result/success due to negligence & lack of promotion.
SM forces their idols to get plastic surgery, ruining their natural looks & aura which also causes many other health issues.
And hybe pedophiles binds pretty looking minors with contracts & sexualizes th out of them to sell to the korean pedophile population. All hybe fandom are a bunch of sick pedophiles being obsessed with pretty innocent looking minors cutely dancing in front of them. In a fan meeting of illit & NJ, 95% of the attendees/fans were adult middle aged males in their late 30s & 40s & they were even trying to touch the idols. That's why hybe sexualizes th out of those minors to sell to make temporary money instead of investing in the idol's training/evaluations, so that they can also get rid of them any time they want without suffering any loses. They also prioritize connections over talent & can get rid of anyone who doesn't fit their agenda via unfair means. Absolutely disgusting.
유나는 실력이 뛰어난 대단한 아이돌은 아니다,,,유나는 다만 외모적인 매력이 뛰난 것만이라고 ,,, 당신이 유나의 팬으로 보이는데 지금 보아하니 당신의 정신 상태가 우려가 된다,,,,,유나가 YG에서 아이돌 시작 같은 막연한 가정으로 논리를 전개 하면 다른 사람은 당신을 이상하게 생각할거다 ,,
YG 는 단점이 데뷔 간격이 길어서 대부분 연습생들이 데뷔도 못하고 이들 세계에서 나와야 한다는 것이라고 ,,,리스크가 너무 큰것이지,,YG에 입사가 성공의 보장도 아니다,,
뉴진스와 ILLIT에 대해서 말을 해보자,,이들은 아동변태성애자의 욕망을 위해 만들어 진 것이 아니고 여기 아시아 에서는 결코 당신같이 생각하는 변태적이고 저속한 목적이라고 판단하지 않아,,그냥 귀엽고 친근한 여자 아이돌로 여겨지는 것이다,,,, 세계 모든 사람들은 베이비를 좋아한다 ,,부모가 베이비를 아동변태성애 용으로 낳을 리는 없는 것이다,,케이팝의 이 여자 아이돌도 유사 한것이다,,,유사 연애 상대라는 것은 보이그룹이 그것에 해당이고 ,,걸그룹은 다르다고 ,,,
나이가 어린 여자 아이돌는 아시아에서는 여동생 이나 베이비로 여겨지는 것 같아 ,,성적 욕망을 불러들이지 않는다고 ,,
애초 아동변태 성애자는 서구사회의 전유물로 원래 나는 생각한다 ,,그런데 여기 아시아에서는 아니라고,,
Vcha didn't deserve this it's sad 😭😔🥹😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😔😔😔😔😔🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹😢😢😢😢😢😢
Hold up. This is crazy!!! When niziu debuted they had mihii go into hiatus because of “oersonal health reasons” and then it became sus when Kaylee had to. This sucks so bad. JYPE needs to be shut down