That's one way to say it. Another way to say it would be that the MFC allocated 70% of the flounder to .4% of the licensed fishermen in the state. Another way to say it would be that we threw away a 250 million dollar industry supported by the 99.6% of fishermen who prefer to catch their own fish to make sure the other .4% of fishermen could make 5 million dollars. Yet another way to say it would be that the comm quota CANNOT go over its limit because it is impossible and the system has been designed to ensure that fact by not counting ANY of the millions of dead flounder discarded from trawls each and every year against the commercial quota while the season of the 99.6% of fishermen was closed by dead discards counted towards them by a system that has been officially announced by NOAA to OVERESTIMATE catch by as much as 40%! 😂😂😂. What a joke.
Not sure who's backing Bill but I remember watching him on WRAL back on the day. If you look back to when he was still with WRAL you can see a change in his mindset. He's been saying the same thing in this video since 2012. Bill who funds you? I'm a recreational and commercial fisherman and your facts are so out of whack its funny. I'm mad about the Recreational closure and it's going to hurt this state big time. There are 1,500,000 recreational anglers in North Carolina of which supposedly 500,000 actually target flounder, which I think is bogus by the way. Any of the numbers you've reported on are educated guesses. You should know about educated guesses being that the weatherman on WRAL gets paid to make an educated guess. To say that recreational fisherman were responsible for 2.79 million dead discards in a 2 week period is asinine at best when they only landed 200,000 pounds of fish during the season. You can't make this crap up none of those figures even remotely align with actual data. Brewski keep trying to share the truth but knowing this man and growing up watching him on T.V., something makes me think this is politically paid for propaganda at best. Signed one pissed off fisherman.
@thomasipock1130 I was congratulated by a lot of people when he made this video actually 😄. They said it probably took several phone calls and a pretty good chunk of cash to get him back in the game.
Where did they get the numbers from for recreational fisherman? There is no harvest reporting. What I believe is that they are using a mathematical formula using total CRFL licenses for the year and coming up with an absurd number that is no more accurate than the weather forcast in ENC.
The" recreational fishermen " and "Commercial fishermen " need to team up against the government agency's really responsible for all this Drama and flawed Data!!! They want it all stopped! Total control over men and women.
There is no way recreational fishermen with hook and line, with a 1 fish 14" limit, per day , over fished. As you put it, only a fraction of people come to fish?
I knew right away this man has an agenda. And it doesn't include the little man. How about closing it altogether. If the recreational fisherman cant harvest flounder at all, how about closing it for the commercial fisherman as well.
I literally think you just made this for clicks. You kind of forgot to mention the amount commercial takes vs rec. Also the amount of commercial that goes unreported. And not to mention the amount that shrimp trawlers take as discard that is never reported either. Do some better research next time, or just don't post
There ya go. Glad to see another that knows where the problem lies. Untill NC law makers recognize the loss of juvenile fin fish inshore trawling by small boat weekend warriors feed to the crabs every pull our stocks will plummet. Thank you for speaking up.
Bill- You might check your "fact" at 2:43 claiming that "The commercial fisherman doesn't keep what he catches, he sells it." That statement is misleading and factually incorrect. You are implying that all commercial fishing license holders sell their catch to benefit the NC consuming public. That is just not true. DMF data shows that only 36% of commercial fishing license holders actually reported landings under the mandatory trip ticket program for selling fish. In other words, 64% of commercial license holders eligible to use commercial gears, such as gill nets for flounder, are not reporting any landings. A 2015 DMF survey of all commercial license holders found that many of those "unused" licenses were actually being used by commercial fishermen. The following is straight from that report- "Approximately two thirds of respondents provided information on what they typically did with their harvest when using commercial gears or harvesting in commercial quantities. The most common response was to sell part of the catch and keep the other portion for personal consumption or donation (45%). This was closely followed by “sell all of catch” (44%) and “do not sell catch” (20%)." How many Southern flounder did the commercial sector really land in 2022 and 2023? We don't know, because a commercial fisherman does not have to report all of their landings on a trip ticket, or any for that matter. DMF only uses trip ticket data to calculate landings. The commercial sector certainly went over its quota, but DMF does not have the means to hold them accountable. As far as feeding "the public". There is a NC Rural Center report detailing the supply chain analysis of NC's seafood industry. The majority of seafood landed in NC is shipped out of state due to NC having limited processing facilities. Truth is important. As is not bearing false witness. I will be glad to share real data with you if you would like to present accurate information to the public.
I personally know several guys who do this to fill freezers for personal use or to sell them out of the back of trucks so they keep those catches off the books and keep their season open longer.
How do you have a limit on one fish limit and claim the rec guys “caught too many” this is 100% BS meanwhile the lower lower Chesapeake Bay has the strongest population since the early 90’s. Ain’t no way in hell a 1 fish limit has kept too many fish.
It's total BS advice from the NCDMF. Not one word would have been said if they had not done this to the recs. But now the NCFA, the NCDMF, the NC House, both Republicans and Democrats lobbied by the Commercial entities alike have started this mess. All the recs want is their little 2 week season back....that's all at this time!
Amazing dmf with their amazing catch statistics reporting for flounder! Now next year comes yet another burden against individuals required to report their NC coastal catches! Really can’t make this stuff up….but NC has! My usual yearly grand total of 7 days coastal fishing in my NC will be in SC … sadly
NC cannot supply the seafood needs of its citizens, period. For an example, NC consumes 40 million lbs of shrimp a year, yet fishermen catch 5-10 lbs and not all of it stays iin NC. So when you see the bumper sticker "Friends don't let friends eat imported shrimp", is is BS. Lets talk soft shell crabs-where diey they go? Bluefin Tuna? Wild caught seafood can only supply a niche market and contributes insignificantly to the protein consumption of citizens (less than 1%). That being said, we all like (love) fresh seafood, but that is an impossible scenario for most folks. As for CCA NC, the conservation projects they support benefit all fishermen, regardless of sector. Trying to remember the conservation projects of NCFA.
i am the recreational fisherman who practices responsible practice not a multi million dollar industry that has a huge dead bycatch loss but pays a lobby to keep there money source alive while killing my recreational activity thats god given
I ve lived and fished for flounder for most of my 65 years. Ive seen regulations go from no limit on number to what we have now. O. The problem with fish numbers IMO started years ago from the states allowance letting inshore trawimg for shrimp. This isnt being done by commerciial shrimpers who pull nets offshore. Its the week end warriors with commercial gear licenses pulling in the ICW and on low tides. When the tide is falling all the creeks and estuaries drain the contents of their water into the Intracoastal waterway ( ICW) untill nearly dry. Shrimp ,flounder as well as most of the juvenile and baby fish , Drum , trout , and baby flounder follow the water into the ICW where the small boats pulling trawls catch shrimp at a rate of 10 / 1 bycatch if not more. Thats 10 or more lbs of dead baby and juvenile finfish for every lb of shrimp caught. Look next door S of us where SC allows no inshore trawing. I believe Im correct they still allow 8 per day flounder. SC lawmakers must be more intune with fish numbers because they allow anglers to bait then throw cast nets for shrimp 48 qt cooler per day limit with 0 bycatch. Must be nice. Take Fla where no nets but cast nets are allowed. Fla lawmakers arent letting their fabulous inshore fisheries to go to the crabs like NCs. We used to have stocks rivaling our neighbors. Wake up Raleigh!!!.
How do they get the numbers for recreational fishermen? Surveys? I was surveyed in Brunswick County about 5 or 6 years ago by some youngsters wanting to know what I caught and so forth. I have them honest answers but I fail to see how that could represent the recreational fishing public. Like me, maybe the actual flounder themselves will go to another state to spend my vacation money and do some fishing.
How about an outright boycott. Dont buy flounder from the seafood houses, dont order it at the restaurant. I cant stand to even see flounder filets on ice at the seafood house nowadays.
Bull crap, they dont know how many fish the recreational fishermen cought. Its all a guess they dont know. how many flounder oar killed by any commercial boats that use nets, AKA shrimp boats.
how the crap do they know how many flounder are caught on hook and line? theres no way they can tell. flounder is a hit or miss not caught in schools or in numbers like spot or croakers and other species kind of a treat if your lucky enough to snag one! net fishermen are allowed too keep and sell because the state makes tax money! screw the weekend or one day fisherman! they already have your tax from your fishing licence bait tackle boat gas and more!
Must be some really good Kool aid. No way there is a flounder issue at least in southern NC. They are everywhere and within sight of SC with a very generous limit and no closed season.
He is a liar. There are over 4000 commercial licenses with no slips accounting for their sale of flounder. They are using a commercial license for recreational purposes. Gigging as many flounder as they desire to put in their own freezers and those of their friends. But we can keep zero flounder we catch.
That's one way to say it. Another way to say it would be that the MFC allocated 70% of the flounder to .4% of the licensed fishermen in the state. Another way to say it would be that we threw away a 250 million dollar industry supported by the 99.6% of fishermen who prefer to catch their own fish to make sure the other .4% of fishermen could make 5 million dollars. Yet another way to say it would be that the comm quota CANNOT go over its limit because it is impossible and the system has been designed to ensure that fact by not counting ANY of the millions of dead flounder discarded from trawls each and every year against the commercial quota while the season of the 99.6% of fishermen was closed by dead discards counted towards them by a system that has been officially announced by NOAA to OVERESTIMATE catch by as much as 40%! 😂😂😂. What a joke.
And the commercial boats are the ones using nets, wasting bycatch, and killing our fisheries. It’s hogwash.
Not sure who's backing Bill but I remember watching him on WRAL back on the day. If you look back to when he was still with WRAL you can see a change in his mindset. He's been saying the same thing in this video since 2012. Bill who funds you? I'm a recreational and commercial fisherman and your facts are so out of whack its funny. I'm mad about the Recreational closure and it's going to hurt this state big time. There are 1,500,000 recreational anglers in North Carolina of which supposedly 500,000 actually target flounder, which I think is bogus by the way. Any of the numbers you've reported on are educated guesses. You should know about educated guesses being that the weatherman on WRAL gets paid to make an educated guess. To say that recreational fisherman were responsible for 2.79 million dead discards in a 2 week period is asinine at best when they only landed 200,000 pounds of fish during the season. You can't make this crap up none of those figures even remotely align with actual data. Brewski keep trying to share the truth but knowing this man and growing up watching him on T.V., something makes me think this is politically paid for propaganda at best. Signed one pissed off fisherman.
@thomasipock1130 I was congratulated by a lot of people when he made this video actually 😄. They said it probably took several phone calls and a pretty good chunk of cash to get him back in the game.
Where did they get the numbers from for recreational fisherman? There is no harvest reporting. What I believe is that they are using a mathematical formula using total CRFL licenses for the year and coming up with an absurd number that is no more accurate than the weather forcast in ENC.
The" recreational fishermen " and "Commercial fishermen " need to team up against the government agency's really responsible for all this Drama and flawed Data!!! They want it all stopped! Total control over men and women.
They want windfarms .
There is no way recreational fishermen with hook and line, with a 1 fish 14" limit, per day , over fished. As you put it, only a fraction of people come to fish?
1% of fishermen catch 99% of the fish.
I knew right away this man has an agenda. And it doesn't include the little man.
How about closing it altogether. If the recreational fisherman cant harvest flounder at all, how about closing it for the commercial fisherman as well.
I literally think you just made this for clicks. You kind of forgot to mention the amount commercial takes vs rec. Also the amount of commercial that goes unreported. And not to mention the amount that shrimp trawlers take as discard that is never reported either. Do some better research next time, or just don't post
There ya go. Glad to see another that knows where the problem lies. Untill NC law makers recognize the loss of juvenile fin fish inshore trawling by small boat weekend warriors feed to the crabs every pull our stocks will plummet.
Thank you for speaking up.
These numbers are total bs! I must have missed the flounder reporting stations for the rec fishermen.
Bill is paid for.
Bill- You might check your "fact" at 2:43 claiming that "The commercial fisherman doesn't keep what he catches, he sells it." That statement is misleading and factually incorrect. You are implying that all commercial fishing license holders sell their catch to benefit the NC consuming public. That is just not true. DMF data shows that only 36% of commercial fishing license holders actually reported landings under the mandatory trip ticket program for selling fish. In other words, 64% of commercial license holders eligible to use commercial gears, such as gill nets for flounder, are not reporting any landings. A 2015 DMF survey of all commercial license holders found that many of those "unused" licenses were actually being used by commercial fishermen. The following is straight from that report- "Approximately two thirds of respondents provided information on what they typically did with their harvest when using commercial gears or harvesting in commercial quantities. The most common response was to sell part of the catch and keep the other portion for personal consumption or donation (45%). This was closely followed by “sell all of catch” (44%) and “do not sell catch” (20%)." How many Southern flounder did the commercial sector really land in 2022 and 2023? We don't know, because a commercial fisherman does not have to report all of their landings on a trip ticket, or any for that matter. DMF only uses trip ticket data to calculate landings. The commercial sector certainly went over its quota, but DMF does not have the means to hold them accountable. As far as feeding "the public". There is a NC Rural Center report detailing the supply chain analysis of NC's seafood industry. The majority of seafood landed in NC is shipped out of state due to NC having limited processing facilities. Truth is important. As is not bearing false witness. I will be glad to share real data with you if you would like to present accurate information to the public.
Excellent post. Most of the commercial harvest is sold under the table with no reporting. The trip ticket program is a joke.
Good reply Rick.....Bill can say what he believes and we'll say what we believe! This is total BS for the recs. TOTAL!!!
I personally know several guys who do this to fill freezers for personal use or to sell them out of the back of trucks so they keep those catches off the books and keep their season open longer.
This is correct
How do you have a limit on one fish limit and claim the rec guys “caught too many” this is 100% BS meanwhile the lower lower Chesapeake Bay has the strongest population since the early 90’s. Ain’t no way in hell a 1 fish limit has kept too many fish.
100 percent of us are offended
It's total BS advice from the NCDMF. Not one word would have been said if they had not done this to the recs. But now the NCFA, the NCDMF, the NC House, both Republicans and Democrats lobbied by the Commercial entities alike have started this mess. All the recs want is their little 2 week season back....that's all at this time!
No...1 fish of legal size per day per fisherman...make netting illegal.
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I remember as a kid my family would go on gigging trips late at night. Can’t even do that anymore!
Amazing dmf with their amazing catch statistics reporting for flounder! Now next year comes yet another burden against individuals required to report their NC coastal catches! Really can’t make this stuff up….but NC has!
My usual yearly grand total of 7 days coastal fishing in my NC will be in SC … sadly
How do they track recreational fisherman's catch? So how do you come up with the amount caught on hook and line?
Unfortunately I don't think you know what you are talking about
Count the trawl bycatch/discards against commercial quota and nobody is fishing for flounder.
CCA Putting import seafood on the plates of Americans since 1976
NC cannot supply the seafood needs of its citizens, period. For an example, NC consumes 40 million lbs of shrimp a year, yet fishermen catch 5-10 lbs and not all of it stays iin NC. So when you see the bumper sticker "Friends don't let friends eat imported shrimp", is is BS. Lets talk soft shell crabs-where diey they go? Bluefin Tuna? Wild caught seafood can only supply a niche market and contributes insignificantly to the protein consumption of citizens (less than 1%). That being said, we all like (love) fresh seafood, but that is an impossible scenario for most folks. As for CCA NC, the conservation projects they support benefit all fishermen, regardless of sector. Trying to remember the conservation projects of NCFA.
"Sale a NC tourist a fish and you feed him for a day; teach one to fish and you have a NC tourist for a lifetime."
You definitely voted for Biden didn’t you bill. I’m going flounder fishing this weekend
close the commercial flounder season and leave the recreational fishermen open, It would save more fish
i am the recreational fisherman who practices responsible practice not a multi million dollar industry that has a huge dead bycatch loss but pays a lobby to keep there money source alive while killing my recreational activity thats god given
I ve lived and fished for flounder for most of my 65 years. Ive seen regulations go from no limit on number to what we have now. O. The problem with fish numbers IMO started years ago from the states allowance letting inshore trawimg for shrimp.
This isnt being done by commerciial shrimpers who pull nets offshore. Its the week end warriors with commercial gear licenses pulling in the ICW and on low tides. When the tide is falling all the creeks and estuaries drain the contents of their water into the Intracoastal waterway
( ICW) untill nearly dry. Shrimp ,flounder as well as most of the juvenile and baby fish , Drum , trout , and baby flounder follow the water into the ICW where the small boats pulling trawls catch shrimp at a rate of 10 / 1 bycatch if not more. Thats 10 or more lbs of dead baby and juvenile finfish for every lb of shrimp caught.
Look next door S of us where SC allows no inshore trawing.
I believe Im correct they still allow 8 per day flounder. SC lawmakers must be more intune with fish numbers because they allow anglers to bait then throw cast nets for shrimp 48 qt cooler per day limit with 0 bycatch. Must be nice. Take Fla where no nets but cast nets are allowed. Fla lawmakers arent letting their fabulous inshore fisheries to go to the crabs like NCs. We used to have stocks rivaling our neighbors. Wake up Raleigh!!!.
How do they get the numbers for recreational fishermen? Surveys? I was surveyed in Brunswick County about 5 or 6 years ago by some youngsters wanting to know what I caught and so forth. I have them honest answers but I fail to see how that could represent the recreational fishing public. Like me, maybe the actual flounder themselves will go to another state to spend my vacation money and do some fishing.
” scientific data “
How about an outright boycott. Dont buy flounder from the seafood houses, dont order it at the restaurant.
I cant stand to even see flounder filets on ice at the seafood house nowadays.
How do they know what the recreational caught? Has to be a guesstimate only.
Bull crap, they dont know how many fish the recreational fishermen cought. Its all a guess they dont know. how many flounder oar killed by any commercial boats that use nets, AKA shrimp boats.
N.C. is over 'carrying capacity' in humans anyway.
how the crap do they know how many flounder are caught on hook and line? theres no way they can tell. flounder is a hit or miss not caught in schools or in numbers like spot or croakers and other species kind of a treat if your lucky enough to snag one! net fishermen are allowed too keep and sell because the state makes tax money! screw the weekend or one day fisherman! they already have your tax from your fishing licence bait tackle boat gas and more!
Must be some really good Kool aid. No way there is a flounder issue at least in southern NC. They are everywhere and within sight of SC with a very generous limit and no closed season.
He is a liar. There are over 4000 commercial licenses with no slips accounting for their sale of flounder. They are using a commercial license for recreational purposes. Gigging as many flounder as they desire to put in their own freezers and those of their friends. But we can keep zero flounder we catch.
Yes it is the issue.
Our sounds are Gods most perfect rearing areas for edible sea life. Period. What's the problem folks ?????
Junk, gerrymandered, laughable, logic.
NOW GOT TO RENT PARKING PLACE ANY WERE YOU GO .JUST ABOUT ,NOT WORT IT GOING ANY MORE .GREEDY .
Whoops.
I say BULLSHIT.
I second that.
I live at the beach and I will continue to catch flounder and feed my family.
Total BS!!