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Das stimmt nicht. Die Maßnahmen waren sehr gut. Von den drei Streckenposten ist einer ein Arzt. Wenn der Fahrer Atemprobleme hat, wäre es möglich, dass er Rippenbrüche hat. Dann muss der sitzen bleiben. Sobald man den bewegt, könnten die gebrochenen Rippen in sein Herz stoßen. So einen Fall kenn ich. Es wurde genau RICHTIG gehandelt!
@@oliverpohlmann1521 Dieser tragische Unfall hat zwei Ursachen. Die eine war, dass vom Reglement her kein ABS gefahren werden durfte. Damit wäre der Audi auf der Bremse nicht geradeaus gerutscht. Die zweite Ursache war die in die Gerade eingebaute Schikane. Diese hat den Fahrzeugen zu sehr zugesetzt, da sie sehr eng war und die Fahrer da ziemlich hart über die Curbs sind. Ohne die Schikane wäre zwar die Geschwindigkeit höher gewesen, aber die Strecke trotzdem sicherer.
I have watched this so many times, I still cannot understand how Frank Biela hit him. There was no other car in front of him and the Nissan was stationary and he fully rammed into his side. Zero reaction to avoid Odor. I’m also very disappointed obviously by the ONS “professionals”, that basically did absolutely nothing for a minute. But I guess it was already too late at that point. I was sitting in the grandstand as this happened, but you couldn’t see it from there. It was just surprising how very little action there was after the accident happened. Everybody just stood around, including the ambulance. I guess what struck me most is how the organizer in typical Berliner fashion immediately claimed in the interview that the response was perfect.....no, it wasn't.
Biela reacts late and in addition to the moment he realizes he cannot stop his car, he should have taken evasive action. It's incomprehensible. One death could have been avoided.
@@Eben-Victorious HE should have started to brake when he saw the other cars avoiding the car in the middle of the track. Does he not realize a yellow is going to come out anyway? What a fucking idiot
It must've been the constant bumping over the indy chicane, that broke the suspension.. He took a wide angle into the bend, but suddenly turned left into the concrete. He might have already been unconscious, by that massive impact. But no doubt the Audi impacting the car was tragic
@@thiscocks yeah.. He took the wide line for sure, but something must've broke. Back then, there wasn't HANS device or much of anything, to safeguard drivers neck and/or brain. It might've actually been immensely severe impact, to cause brain hemorrhage. Just like Allan Simonsen succumbed to at Le Mans 2013.. even with all the safety gear, it can still happen. An idea to install in all sportscars could be Nascar-like seat, with big head rests
Also.. I cannot even imagine the peril, when coming back the straight, and into the corner leading to the north curve/nordkurve.. which was much much longer. Just over 19 km, 8 km straights. No chicane.. A record 284 km/h was clocked then. Madness. And they also held a race on bikes. However the length had been cut to 8,3 km then. But still 4 km and no chicane. Bonkers Edit*- it's written in a way, that it can be mistaken. As if the curve was that long. But it's the track that was 19 km
And again it was cut to suit the cars and audience in the 1980's.. down to around 5 km and then just 3.. So the track we see here has just about a kilometre straights. Still enough for the cars to reach well over 200 km/h
He said he came around the fast right-hand corner and thought, Kieth would keep moving to the right. However, he came back to the track and Biela couldn't do anything, despite hitting the brakes.
@federico.supertouring Actually he had time to react but his reaction was wrong. Instead of braking he should try to avoid the car, like the others did. In the interview at the end he said he thought the car of O'dor was still moving to the right and he realized to late that it wasn't so.
Biela would have had to do just a tiny correction to avoid full impact. Probably wasn't looking at the track ahead. Maybe eyes focused too far, tunnel vision, you never know. If he thought the car was moving to the right; there was plenty of space on the left. What is done, is done. Now he cannot do anything about it.
@@apexkilla I stand by my statement. Would rather have a member of medical staff, than a bouncer/flagman attend a accident. Well both should be at the scene, but if injured
Absolut traurig was da passiert ist , aber schlimmer als der Unfall ist das Menschliche Versagen der Helfenden . Ich hab das damals Live gesehen und unserer Gruppe war sehr schnell klar das er das nicht überleben konnte .
was hätten die Helfer denn deiner Meinung nach anderes machen sollen. Wurde Senna von Streckenposten aus dem Auto gehoben oder von Notärzten oder Jules Bianchi Absolut dämlicher Kommentar.
DTM ist bessere Turismus Wagen Meisterschaft mit das TOCA ins 90'Jahren. Schade er hat verlore seine prestige in die lasten jahre. 25 jahre nach, das unfall von O'Dor ist immer also traurig und strang.
Open your eyes, you can clearly see the tire smoke from his braking attempt coming up before the crash. No ABS involved here, as we see obvious tire-lock. When the wheels lock at 120 to 130 mph, you ain´t going nowhere but straight on. There is debris of the size of a full bumper or rear wing sitting on the left lane, so Biela had to calculate the consequences of running over it vs. going between this thing and the backward-rolling car of Odor within the fraction of a second. The broken wheel suspension that caused Odor´s car to come back to the center of the track at this exact angle and point of time was on the rear left side, which Biela couldn´t see, at all - the Nissan had been rolling to the opposite side, just before. Disgusting comment, in every respect. "Murderer" sure is more than a hard word to say, under these circumstances. RIP Kieth Odor
@@terenceskill9526 He had so much time so slow down, but he was greedy and kept his speed and was planning on avoiding. If he went for the brake first, and then went around, Kieth would still be alive. That's just the facts. I know racing. I know what it feels like when someone spins in front and you want to try to keep your speed and avoid, but this time it was a fatal error.
Der Kommentar von dem Reporter sind haltlos: die Streckenposten auch der Arzt waren sofort dabei, was versucht der Reporter uns zu sagen? Er nennt die Einsatzkräfte Deledanten, die sich mit dem Thema befassen und sich voll einsetzen, er hockt vor seinem Bildschirm und schimpft... wie würde er reagieren? Es ist Rennsport, wenn Crashes passieren, die Fahrer leben mit dem... auch Zweikämpfe usw gehören dazu, aber die Kommentare sind haltlos
Selbstverständlich hat der Kommentator völlig recht, es dauert alles viel zu lange. Die Streckenposten reagieren nicht, es dauert endlose Minuten, bis endlich ein Rettungswagen eintrifft. Es war alles unglaublich schlecht organisiert. Dass Unfälle dazugehören ist klar, schlechte Organisation aber nicht!
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Rennunfall ----> ja , 1.Hilfe-Maßnahmen ----> unterirdisch.Der Unfall ist 25 Jahre her,aber die Bilder regen mich immer noch auf.
Stimmt, Biela hatte absolut keine Chance auszuweichen
@@hallo_welt_ag Klar,wäre er Links dran vorbei gefahren wäre alles gut gewesen.Zu Blöd der Biela.!!!
Das stimmt nicht. Die Maßnahmen waren sehr gut. Von den drei Streckenposten ist einer ein Arzt. Wenn der Fahrer Atemprobleme hat, wäre es möglich, dass er Rippenbrüche hat. Dann muss der sitzen bleiben. Sobald man den bewegt, könnten die gebrochenen Rippen in sein Herz stoßen. So einen Fall kenn ich. Es wurde genau RICHTIG gehandelt!
@@topforce5298 korrekte Antwort. Solange keine akute Gefahr durch z.B. Feuer oder auslaufendes Benzin besteht -> sitzen lassen.
@@oliverpohlmann1521 Dieser tragische Unfall hat zwei Ursachen. Die eine war, dass vom Reglement her kein ABS gefahren werden durfte. Damit wäre der Audi auf der Bremse nicht geradeaus gerutscht. Die zweite Ursache war die in die Gerade eingebaute Schikane. Diese hat den Fahrzeugen zu sehr zugesetzt, da sie sehr eng war und die Fahrer da ziemlich hart über die Curbs sind. Ohne die Schikane wäre zwar die Geschwindigkeit höher gewesen, aber die Strecke trotzdem sicherer.
I have watched this so many times, I still cannot understand how Frank Biela hit him. There was no other car in front of him and the Nissan was stationary and he fully rammed into his side. Zero reaction to avoid Odor. I’m also very disappointed obviously by the ONS “professionals”, that basically did absolutely nothing for a minute. But I guess it was already too late at that point. I was sitting in the grandstand as this happened, but you couldn’t see it from there. It was just surprising how very little action there was after the accident happened. Everybody just stood around, including the ambulance.
I guess what struck me most is how the organizer in typical Berliner fashion immediately claimed in the interview that the response was perfect.....no, it wasn't.
Biela reacts late and in addition to the moment he realizes he cannot stop his car, he should have taken evasive action. It's incomprehensible. One death could have been avoided.
@@Eben-Victorious HE should have started to brake when he saw the other cars avoiding the car in the middle of the track. Does he not realize a yellow is going to come out anyway? What a fucking idiot
It must've been the constant bumping over the indy chicane, that broke the suspension..
He took a wide angle into the bend, but suddenly turned left into the concrete.
He might have already been unconscious, by that massive impact.
But no doubt the Audi impacting the car was tragic
Very odd. It literally just turns dead left into the wall. Must have been a sudden tie rod breakage or something
@@thiscocks yeah..
He took the wide line for sure, but something must've broke.
Back then, there wasn't HANS device or much of anything, to safeguard drivers neck and/or brain.
It might've actually been immensely severe impact, to cause brain hemorrhage.
Just like Allan Simonsen succumbed to at Le Mans 2013.. even with all the safety gear, it can still happen.
An idea to install in all sportscars could be Nascar-like seat, with big head rests
Also..
I cannot even imagine the peril, when coming back the straight, and into the corner leading to the north curve/nordkurve.. which was much much longer. Just over 19 km, 8 km straights. No chicane..
A record 284 km/h was clocked then. Madness.
And they also held a race on bikes. However the length had been cut to 8,3 km then. But still 4 km and no chicane. Bonkers
Edit*-
it's written in a way, that it can be mistaken. As if the curve was that long. But it's the track that was 19 km
And again it was cut to suit the cars and audience in the 1980's.. down to around 5 km and then just 3..
So the track we see here has just about a kilometre straights.
Still enough for the cars to reach well over 200 km/h
Maybe the FIRST hit may have killed him
Not red flagging immediately... it was the time... looking back... what were they thinking...
RIp Kieth
Can any German speakers fill me in on how Biela was trying to explain himself in that ending interview there?
He said he came around the fast right-hand corner and thought, Kieth would keep moving to the right. However, he came back to the track and Biela couldn't do anything, despite hitting the brakes.
What was Frank Biela looking at? Odor's car was clearly stopped sideways 100 metres ahead and he didn't see him?
@federico.supertouring Actually he had time to react but his reaction was wrong. Instead of braking he should try to avoid the car, like the others did. In the interview at the end he said he thought the car of O'dor was still moving to the right and he realized to late that it wasn't so.
Biela would have had to do just a tiny correction to avoid full impact. Probably wasn't looking at the track ahead. Maybe eyes focused too far, tunnel vision, you never know. If he thought the car was moving to the right; there was plenty of space on the left. What is done, is done. Now he cannot do anything about it.
5 minutes before emergency crew arrives... that is so shameful and totally unacceptable.
Edit*-
I hope the family sued the organisers
Nah. Safety crews were there pretty quickly. The ambulance arrived 5 minutes later.
@@apexkilla I stand by my statement.
Would rather have a member of medical staff, than a bouncer/flagman attend a accident.
Well both should be at the scene, but if injured
Absolut traurig was da passiert ist , aber schlimmer als der Unfall ist das Menschliche Versagen der Helfenden .
Ich hab das damals Live gesehen und unserer Gruppe war sehr schnell klar das er das nicht überleben konnte .
was hätten die Helfer denn deiner Meinung nach anderes machen sollen. Wurde Senna von Streckenposten aus dem Auto gehoben oder von Notärzten oder Jules Bianchi Absolut dämlicher Kommentar.
@@glaube_mein_schwein_pfeift stimmt , absolut dämlicher Kommentar von dir 👍
32:37 Keith O'Dor RIP
Damals leider live am TV dabei.
Ja, ich auch. Werde ich nie vergessen. Ganz bitter.
DTM ist bessere Turismus Wagen Meisterschaft mit das TOCA ins 90'Jahren. Schade er hat verlore seine prestige in die lasten jahre. 25 jahre nach, das unfall von O'Dor ist immer also traurig und strang.
I cannot understand to how Frank Biela did not see him yet the others who were so much closer managed to swerve him?
32:43
Biela is a rookie for this one. Did he really think the car would keep going backwards? Ever heard of Brakes?
Open your eyes, you can clearly see the tire smoke from his braking attempt coming up before the crash. No ABS involved here, as we see obvious tire-lock. When the wheels lock at 120 to 130 mph, you ain´t going nowhere but straight on. There is debris of the size of a full bumper or rear wing sitting on the left lane, so Biela had to calculate the consequences of running over it vs. going between this thing and the backward-rolling car of Odor within the fraction of a second. The broken wheel suspension that caused Odor´s car to come back to the center of the track at this exact angle and point of time was on the rear left side, which Biela couldn´t see, at all - the Nissan had been rolling to the opposite side, just before. Disgusting comment, in every respect. "Murderer" sure is more than a hard word to say, under these circumstances. RIP Kieth Odor
@@terenceskill9526 He had so much time so slow down, but he was greedy and kept his speed and was planning on avoiding. If he went for the brake first, and then went around, Kieth would still be alive. That's just the facts. I know racing. I know what it feels like when someone spins in front and you want to try to keep your speed and avoid, but this time it was a fatal error.
@@ezpz4659 You don’t know jack shit at all.
@@ezpz4659 You're a complete idiot.
@@Zero_Ninety Why? The guy was going full throttle with a car in the middle of the track sideways. That's an idiot.
32:46 Einschlag, Notarzt 33:30 da! Was für ein "Dummschwätzer" der Reporter!
Was für ein Unsinn.
Der Kommentar von dem Reporter sind haltlos: die Streckenposten auch der Arzt waren sofort dabei, was versucht der Reporter uns zu sagen? Er nennt die Einsatzkräfte Deledanten, die sich mit dem Thema befassen und sich voll einsetzen, er hockt vor seinem Bildschirm und schimpft... wie würde er reagieren? Es ist Rennsport, wenn Crashes passieren, die Fahrer leben mit dem... auch Zweikämpfe usw gehören dazu, aber die Kommentare sind haltlos
Selbstverständlich hat der Kommentator völlig recht, es dauert alles viel zu lange. Die Streckenposten reagieren nicht, es dauert endlose Minuten, bis endlich ein Rettungswagen eintrifft. Es war alles unglaublich schlecht organisiert. Dass Unfälle dazugehören ist klar, schlechte Organisation aber nicht!
@@Ric36012FG Hast du was mit den Augen. Eine Minute nach dem Unfall war der Notarzt schon da. sieht man doch das rote Auto mit dem Kreutz drauf.