The EVANGELION DILEMMA
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- What does Hideaki Anno do when his small niche robot show becomes an international powerhouse anime?
todays preview is all about NEON GENESIS EVANGELION, hopefully the full anno retrospective will be out soon.
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00:00 intro
00:31 NOT BANDAI (Pause and Select Cameo)
01:21 EVA Section
9:49 The Shinji Hate Montage
11:06 Michael Bay's Gambit
15:16 Anno's Breakdown
17:18 My Animation
18:38 Support the Project!
20:44 kot
special thanks to @PauseandSelect & @schemingfox & @CaribouCoon
for voicing and cameoing in the video 
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Neon Genesis Evangelion
EVA :Death and Rebirth
Mobile Suit Gundam 0079
montage
Gigguk reupload anime zone NGE
IGN top 25 anime characters
Espacist EVA comic
Bennett the Sage : Death and Rebirth
Glass Reflections Evangelion
EVA abridged 2.0
michael bay's eva
The Simpsons (Japanese)
Neon Genesis Evangelion E - Mono Catalog
Eva TV SPECIAL DOCUMENTARY 1997
AUDIO
track tribe - lost at sea
cruel angle thesis
gnossienne 4 -erik satie
9th symphony -beethoven
arsenals guts - mgs2
LMAO, Anno's 1996 cope about the mixed reception of Eva's last two episodes was hilarious to see. Here's a dude with good ideas and intentions who ended up stuck a bit too far up his own butt. No, Anno, the last two original TV Eva episodes were not good. They were rushed and a mess. That's why it took you decades of small revisions, enhanced editions, and additional film content to flesh out what the hell happened and why.
As for Shinji - I agree that his portrayal was done well, but this is a fantasy and not real life. And in fantasy it's cathartic to see protagonists who have at least SOME redeeming qualities.
@@AB0BA_69 if you dont see redeeming qualities in shinji i dont know what to tell you, as for the ending i think it works for what it is though i do prefer the end of eva "ending"
Yeah, those last 2 episodes, although very unusual (especially at that time) were brilliant, and despite the "unusualness" they still were what the show had been building up to with our main character. Thankfully it showed, and still shows IMHO, that your protagonist can be a deeply flawed individual, and that you can still root for them to overcome their malaise.
I honestly think that Shinji made many people uncomfortable about themselves and their perceived weaknesses, and some even possibly interpreted this like Anno holding up a mirror to his audience, which is pretty wrong (at least for the original series). You want to see a mirror held up to Anno's audience? You just need to watch End of Evangelion again, because Anno was out for blood with that one, and still managed to make a masterpiece that made sense of the story without derailing any plot points IMO.
Great video @STEVEM
@@Stevem Nice straw-man. I'm not criticizing the logic behind Shinji's character design. I'm criticizing that Anno thought he would make for a good protagonist that people would like.
@@AB0BA_69 i dont know if you know what a strawman is and i dont if anno even expected him to be a protagonist that people liked, but as i showed in the video they became second most popular male character in 95 and number 1 for two years after in the animage end of year polls
I find it hilarious the only time Shinji takes on the stereotypical cocky mecha pilot persona, putting down Asuka saying essentially that piloting an Eva is a job for a man like all these morons seem to have wanted so badly, Shinji gets obliterated immediately.
yeah its almost like the show is making a (recurring) point
You know the episode she says that “piloting an Eva is a job for a man.” Is predicted that Asuka and Shinji had sex and is confirmed in the end credits of the episode where Shinji says to Mikoto “piloting an Eva is a man’s job.”
As in the End credits Asuka’s hand is there and you can hear her whisper in Japanese but no subtitles.
Forgot the episodes soz only remember the theory.
@@Oskatta
That sounds like End of Evangelion, where they did have sex but the scene that made this obvious was cut. Though that scene involving Shinji and Asuka's body was left in.
@@Stevem
They would have made it more clear if Shinji didn't keep winning because his Eva went berserk. Towards the end Asuka is annoyed by how many angels Shinji has killed compared to herself and Rei.
@@Oskatta well that’s creepy considering they are 14 year olds.
I swear if anyone complains about my Japanese pronunciation I will commit some sort of Minecraft-associated crime
the chat said your accent was strong lol but that's it "`11/10 cameo" too
@@Stevem I'll take it
Your pronounciation is bad and your mother is a cosmic horror.
What?
What.
WHAT
We wanna see the crime....
@@enkrpticeckz fuck it, I’ll stream the crime. This guy ain’t gonna do shit.
Shinji wasn’t even bad at his job. He always delivered, after some hand wringing.
Otakus reject Shinji for his emotional realism, his androgyny, and the implied critique of escapism surrounding his character.
“Shinji = bitch” is so flat brained & it makes me wonder what in the flying fuck these people even “got” out of the show.
Shinji was bad at his job. That is why the show was so good. The show presented a chosen one who was worse at piloting the mecha than most people would have been. It created a great deal of tension when it was doubtful if Shinji could perform even the simplest of tasks. The anime does an outstanding job in showing why Shinji is bad at his job so we can sympathize with him, but we can't let our sympathies prevent us from acknowledging that Shinji failed to stop the ending of the world.
@@BulletRain100 I don’t think his competency mattered to the series at all. The question wasn’t “will he be great?” , it was “will he self-actualize?”
@GhostButt While I agree that Shinji was actually capable, his sync levels had nothing to do with his skill, but rather with the fact that Eva-01 is powered by his mother's soul. This is further supported by the fact that Eva-01 was the only one that moved on its own to protect Shinji, as early as the first episode, even before he entered the plug. Ahsuka was a much more skilled Pilot whose sync level were due to her own abilities, Shinji is the exception. This, of course, doesn't mean that he didn't have any merit, on the contrary, as you said he was extremely competent
@GhostButt Glad to be of help!
Otakus hate Shinji because they hate the same aspects of themselfs in Shinji.
That montage-ish segment with all the different youtubers and creators complaining about how much of a wuss Shinji is, kind of got to me. It gave me the sense that there was this profound unwillingness to try and understand what the show was going for and how it contextualized his behavior, in favor of insipid machismo grandstanding.
I'm glad nowadays that isnt the norm so I can say that's progress
@@Stevem Agreed, I'd go as far as to say that anime discourse in general is in a much better state nowadays. I see more thoughtful and nuanced takes as opposed to the purely reactionary content that was the norm.
There is nothing machismo about just trying when people around you are in danger. He’s not a wimp in the masculine sense, he’s a wimp at a basic human level. He sees people dying around him and still can do anything to help even though he had the power to, it’s almost inhuman behaviour. Depressed people in real life actually care about others. Shinji in the show uses his depression as an a excuse to be a psychopath.
@@ioiioooio193 This only really applies to Shinji in like, End of Eva though (which takes place after multiple events have broken him beyond repair). He "gets in the robot" 90% of the time in the series proper. Frankly I'd say Asuka whines about having to do her job more often than he does.
His ACTUAL flaw that's outlined repeatedly by some of the other characters is actually the opposite: he's TOO willing to follow Nerv's orders with no agency of his own for the sake of getting the smallest bit of approval and affection. Misato explicitly scolds him over it in episode four.
That's why the "Shinji is a wuss" complaint always weirded me out, personally. Not because of the discussion around masculinity or whatever, but because it barely lines up with most of the actual show. It speaks to how a lot of these old Anime RUclipsrs had bad media literacy.
@@dabunnydabunny1243 He gets in the robot and performs but only in low stakes situations, if you think back the times he chooses not to enter the robot were high stake situations where people that mattered to him were in danger which makes no sense. This show would make more sense if the reverse happened, if He could've wimped out all those other times and chose to do something when his friends were in danger, then his character would've made sense and been more realistic. Asuka is an annoying character, but as much as she complained she did her best to complete the task she was given regardless of her motivations and in high stakes situations she actually tried.
I can agree that in the beginning he obeyed too much, but after he quit he had freedom and could make some decisions of his own free will, this dude sat beside misato's ex and watched asuka get destroyed by angels still needing to be convinced to help out, again im not expecting this dude to be macho or anything, but i know for a fact that when i was between 10 and 13 in military school in Africa where we faced a whole lot of abuse, none of my friends or peers, abandoned another regardless of what we went through, we always had each others backs. But shinji at 14 needed to be convinced to save his people FROM DEATH, and it's not like he's in an impossible situation, HE HAS THE POWER TO SAVE THEM. Watching this series he came off more unhinged than sad and depressed.
Calling him might not be the right word because he's worse than a wimp, i think he's just selfish to an INSANE degree, "if my problems are not resolved, forget everyone else" is how his character came off to me. In real life we ALL make sacrifices for other. Some depressed people sacrifice fulfilling their urge to die because of their loved ones. Parents sacrifice their happiness to see their kids happy. Shinji was not willing to sacrifice ANYTHING for the sake of others, even though others did so much for him, yet he expects affection from others?
Honestly this show made no sense to me, even from the mental illness perspective, if they made the symbols and monsters actually a working part of the plot id have liked the show, but they brought all those symbols up only to explain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, like they were just there for decoration and nothing else, i could ignore the mess they made with shinjis character if this part was done right but she fumbled that too.
The things i liked about the show were the nostalgic animation and the ending song of EOA, but the show itself is just meaningless and we learn nothing from it.
Cutting and editing really stand out in Eva, nice that you talked about that in the video. Seeing just how many people called Shinji a wuss over the years coupled with Anno calling "men" a social construct really drives the message home how Eva is a work of criticism aimed at society at large but specifically at otaku culture. People need to see this video, good work!
the first part is true however in the next we shall see that anno isnt as simple as anno critiquing otaku its more his attemp of self hatred and causional tales towards what he calls escapists otakus something he once fell into himself
@@Stevem and then he does fanservice and feeds into the otaku culture. Love the man, but never really fully agreed with this "criticizing" otaku culture take. Even if that was his intention, I feel many instances in evangelion (even if they have a purpose or are done to highlight their absurdity) betray that artistic intent. Don't even get me started on the merchandising.
@@genboi4862 well i dont think he's critising the general culture as much as those "escpaist otaku" as he calls them who are too disconnected with reality
i really dont like the way the west interprets shinji. i watched eva last year while i was coming to terms with the fact that i was soon going to turn 18 and have responsibilities among the other personal problems i faced. i related to shinji a lot and seeing him go through what i was going through was comforting in a way i never understood the “men dont cry” mentality american men have being one myself
"men don't cry" is more about being able to think of a solution rather than cursing and swearing.
Crying over everything won't solve the problem at hand.
So more in the line of stoicism rather than unemotional.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about the rainforests in Kongo or corrupt politicians so just forget about them and clean your room bucko.
A series of short term goals that improves your environment
@@hunn20004
That's beside the point. Most of the American (or Westernized) men that I've seen have used that idea as a cudgel rather than as a stoic principle.
Exhibit A: justifying ignorance on politics and world events behind the guise of "you can do nothing about it". Not only is that categorically wrong, that's not even stoicism.
Stoic ethics believes in the interconnectedness of ethics with "logic" and "physics" (not to be confused with the scientific field of physics)--i.e. what an agent ought to do (ethics) is informed by the agent's knowledge of the workings of the world (physics), as well as their capacity to reason correctly (logic). Moreover, suffice to say, ignorance is not an intellectual virtue and hence is also against stoic values.
Therefore, a stoic would not use their room as a scapegoat to be ignorant. A stoic would take the opportunity to hone their moral compass.
And, suffice to say, a functional adult knows that one can both process the news and clean their room at the same time.
@@moonlitbear9863 I'm sorry I wasn't clear.
I meant that you couldn't just go kill the corrupt politician or snoop out the evidence yourself when you need deeper access.
So when the time does come that you can do something about it (register for office or elections) then you'll be better served when you remember all of those misdeeds and act/vote accordingly.
Yes, remaining ignorant and using stoicism as a shield is wrong
@@moonlitbear9863 2/2
Acting In the spirit of "when the process is correct, then the outcome is correct"
Every single injustice in our modern society was because of enactment of unjust laws through incorrect procedures.
How did the Federal Reserve come into being? A Democratic supermajority voted it into being.
It effectively devalued savings and promotes more "in the moment" hedonistic spending.
Why did Minimum wage become a thing? Democrat politicians wanted to price out the...lessers.
Now, nobody in their right mind would hire a high schooler to "work part time" or to gain experience, meaning the only entryway into a work market is to enter a trade school, a degree with massive dept or making their own company, which itself is barricaded by licencing.
Why did they enact gun control? The democrat wanted to disarm the.....lessers.
Now it applies to everyone but affects the poorest class the most.
Abortion? Eugenics. The Democrat wanted to limit the breeding rates of....the lessers. Even nowadays it's a 1W to 3B ratio.
They even planned the drug war to destroy the family units of....the lessers. Then exasperated it with government welfare.
So being a bitch and glueing yourself to the "Final Supper" helps literally no-one.
The part that makes Shinji so sickening and disgusting to watch is almost likely to be intended by Hideaki Anno who made it at his lowest point: we might be the shinji of our story when the story actually matters. Shinji, and virtually everyone else, is wrought with some kind of trauma or unanswered crisis left in the closet waiting to burst out. But most of those characters chose to actively do something about it, whether it’s Asuka embracing that her mother is always with her in memory or Rei taking control of her life and destiny through punishing the world that enslaved her. Shinji does… nothing. At the final moments of Third Impact in EoE Shinji becomes idle and do nothing. That’s what makes Shinji so unbearable because what Shinji does is a choice that anyone can make, it just really hurts to imagine to be placed in a situation like that and making that decisions
Really spot on about the cringe anime reviewers talking about shinji
yeah mate just stop being sad ya know , simple as
More than anything I felt sympathy for Shinji, I will never understand hatred of him. Can you imagine how it would feel? Your dad who abandoned you calls you up after years only to reveal he just wants to use you to do his dirty work. He emotionally blackmails you into climbing into a monster and fighting incromprehensible creatures with every intent to kill you (not quickly by the way) and then expects you to just be able to do it and shames you when you struggle. Then every day you are expected to live as a soldier, to learn to kill, to have every bit of your life monitored and criticized, to lose your childhood.
By the end of the show, I wanted more than anything for Shinji and every Eva pilot run away and let it all burn, becuase in truth seeing every one of them suffer so much did not feel worth it.
The world will end without them so running away means their own deaths.
Their death and everyone else’s. It was a huge and sudden responsibility for every pilot and unfair to them in every aspect, but they really didn’t have a choice, which was probably one of the most devastating parts of being a pilot.
@@uanime1 The world will end either way because of the Angels or because of NERV/SEELE. The only thing at stake is who does Third Impact.
I originally wanted to watch EVA to see if the ending truly was so illogical.
Imagine my surprise when I was almost brought to tears in the “Congratulations” scene.
It was Shinji finally breaking through his own self destruction and accepting himself through the people he knew in the story.
Not a happy ending to the world but a happy ending for our boy.
As a huge Evangelion fan I have to say I'm very impressed. This is probably one of the best videos you have ever done. You tackeled Evangelion from a fresh perspective I have never seen before.
it's only one piece of it so i hope you enjoy the final full anno video!
what about the curse of evangelion?
This EVA Analysis video is probably the best EVA Analysis video I've watched. It's not biased to the point of being an insecure basher or fanatical apologist. This one, is very open minded and views EVA in a wider angle.
to be honest im not sure there's a ton of analysis here haah
Something I feel like a ton of anime fans that criticize Shinji and the end of Evangelion is that episode 24-26 is more then some big fight against a big bad or Shinji just talking to people for an hour. It was basically a therapy session. It was Shinji, and thus the viewer in some ways, coming to terms with everything that’s happened in the show and all of their issues. It’s not a big fight against another angel, it’s a fight against yourself, it’s coming to terms with the fact that you can’t rely on other to make you happy.
They complain about shinji not being masculine enough but can you blame him? He was abandoned by his dad and his mother died when he was super young.
The ending doesn’t have to be big and grand, it’s abstract for a reason, we see shinji look deep into himself and bring his walls down. So the animation goes to its bare stages. we’re seeing shinji bare his heart to himself and start to understand he doesn’t need a reason to exist, he just does and that’s beautiful.
The separation of art and the artist is often employed when reviewing creative works. But there are a number of works which only get more interesting when the two are analyzed in tandem. I think Eva is one of those works. Its almost difficult to separate the two, Eva and Anno, because of how much of the artist is within the art. From the technical details down to philosophy, Eva is almost autobiographical.
separation is for cowards anyway
Art cannot be separated from artist.
@@purplespectre Indeed. Art is a communication, and communication generates from a human being.
Not to devalue your previous work but this was just incredible from beginning to end. (that animation at the end was stellar) Seriously your best work. I can’t wait for the Kare Kono section!
it fuels me every time i hear people put shinji into this box of failure, they disregard everything he actually managed to do and what he accomplished. i think, he did amazing for what was possible for him to do - he was brave and tried his best, for what it's worth. anyways, great video!
Man jumped into the lava without unit protection to save asuka
the opener is such a banger. even in all these years since there are few who ever reached its level
its very catchy for sure
You know.. I’ve never thought shinji was whinny - I never understood it - I thought he was actually well adjusted enough to vocalize and get answers and even when he didn’t like the answers he got he would still do what he hated
Probably my favorite analysis of the Evangelion TV series I’ve seen. So matter of fact, speaking of more than just Anno’s experiences, touching on the culture shock of Eva as well. Truly incredible.
hopefully you watch the full one too because there's much more to discuss!
excellent animation at the end there, I love stuff like that. I also think that replication of the Eva breakdowns during Anno's breakdown was great. Anno and many others put so much work into the show, so seeing people write it off as lazy or boring because it wasn't a typical spell it out for you ending would of course bother him. Great video as always
it's interesting because the buzz about the ending made eva so much bigger, like a double edge blade of popularity
God thid production is insane. I'm just staring, jaw open, eyes aggressively blinking
First off I love the video, too good... Secondly I have to say I watched episodes 25/26 when I was 14 in the middle of the night and literally stayed up until morning feeling a combination of unbelievable joy mixed with equal parts sick and uncomfortable emotions that it took me years to process... I truly do think the episodes are genius, and like most genius things they are misunderstood... Then when I watched the End of Eva I felt personally attacked by the creator, but in like the best way possible if that makes sense? End of Eva to this day is one of my favorite pieces of not only animation, but also subversion of expectations... As I've gotten older (I'm 30 now) I've watched Eva countless times and always picked up on more themes, fun details, new ways of interpreting the characters ect but one thing I've never understood in all these years is how anyone can watch it and dislike Shinji or Asuka for that matter... Like for real they both have countless aspects of themselves that are seemingly unlikable or negative but that's kind of the point and that's what makes them a person like anybody else... I constantly thought to myself that people just don't like looking in the mirror, thinking of themselves as being just as flawed or imperfect or whatever as the characters themselves and would prefer to use their media as an escape which is ironic considering that's one of the points of the whole piece... Sheesh and in that regard my feelings were confirmed through the years watching the very videos of RUclipsrs you showed here... The complete lack of willingness to emphasize or understand was genuinely confounding and disturbing to me and at the end of the day just made me sad and extremely annoyed... But there are definitely exceptions to this, I hate to promote another RUclipsr here but a young female teacher named Romania Black has been doing reaction videos for Eva and I have to say it is some of the most thoughtful and insightful conversation on Eva I've heard in a long time... She spends about an hour after every episode with a white board and genuinely attempts to understand every layer she can of the show, and considering she has never seen it she does better than 95% of Eva fans, especially where the emotional side comes in... Haha alright well I will end this rant that I only intended to be a paragraph or so by saying I genuinely enjoyed this video and you have restored a bit of my hope in humanity... Thanks!
well thank you for the thoughtful response im glad you enjoyed this section of my video i hhope you say around for the final full video!
This show made me truly understand what faith is and how important it is to be let alone the entire human race.
This was unbelievable. The quality of research and editing in this video is really amazing, and that last animation is gorgeous
thank you! hope you stick around for final version im working on it as i type this!
This was great! I've seen a lot of Eva discussion and videos, this was a fun watch and has a lot of info I haven't seen in other places.
check the sources if youd like to know more theres about 40 for the tv show alone!
What an amazing video definitely exceeded my expectations. I am definitely looking forward to the next part of this Anno journey.
Interesting how people are more interested in “good” characters who can save the world and be perfect than characters who reflect actual, real people who actually exist. I feel for ya, Shinji.
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Really interesting! So many great quotes that I’d never heard before. The animation at the end was awesome too.
thank you taco im glad you enjoyed
First of all, this absolutely EARNED a subscription. And secondly, there was information in here that I'd never heard before (and after 20ish years, give or take) that's impressive.
Really well done. Thank you. Happily be watching your other content.
thank you michael hopefully you still around for the final vid!
I've seen hundreds of video essays for Evangelion, this one is so refreshing and well constructed; great work man!
thank you alberto!
Incredibly captivating video! The animation at the end was very cool
thank you!
It's interesting when I hear people talk about how they relate to characters in a story, especially something like Evangelion. I'll be honest, while I never found the characters in Eva to be relatable to me, I still thought they were interesting characters. Granted, I don't look at characters in a story as being relatable, rather, I like to see them as understandable. To get to know them as if they were a real person, and to understand them to a point where I could almost imagine being in a real conversation with them(to a vague extent). And I will say, Evangelion is one of few stories that has been able to make me get close to that level of understanding with its characters. Hopefully, what I said makes sense.
That's the crux of the issue for many people.
They don't have an understanding of trauma and mental illness, _they can't relate to it,_ and would have a similar reaction to the behavior of a real life person with the same traumas and circumstances as Shinji if no one sat them down and made those facts clear to them beforehand.
It's literally the stigma against mental illness that's been prevalent IRL for decades.
There are few times where media becomes “art” Eva is “art” Berserk sits in this same world for me. It rarely happens but anime in specific seems to be the genre I see it in the most and I have to attribute it to the fact it’s a drawn story it just hits and feels different
I love your channel so much that I can discover more and more about Anno Hideaki's World, especially NGE. Thank you so much for making this useful video!!!
Great video. Really enjoyed that surreal experience at the end.
it was fun to make, its something i had in mind to do ever since i planned this video
10:28 As someone who only got into anime in their mid 20s; it was this warped perception of what Evangelion is and what Shinji's character represents that kept me away from the series, there was a time where this minority of obnoxious people where so loud it was hard to listen to any differing opinion, thankfully those days are over.
At least on the internet :P irl I feel like anime fans are the people I want to talk anime the least with.
I know we got the year off to a bit of a bad start with the Twitter drama, but I gotta give credit where credit is due. This video was excellently put together, especially the animation at the end. Looking forward to seeing what's next!
thank you roger, that's sweet of you to say i'm doing my best to egt it all together
Nicely packaged video
Wow I can't believe after all this years someone is still making an effort to document this info about Hideaki. I find really nice since I think Eva is a very misunderstood franchise, I'm glad this is happening.
This was absolutely, just, goddamn. I had high expectations but, you blew this out of the water
thanks sworddad
i like this video, can always appreciate animations when included in videos
The final Anno video will have a couple more too!
@@Stevem I'll check it out when it comes out
All the effort you put into your videos is recognized and really appreciated ❤️
i appreciate the comment trevor
Thank you Stevem. You are the best.
This videos topic interested me already, felt compelled to watch to the end. The orginal animated sequence you created made the ending special. Such brilliant talent! I'll share this video with my nerdy friends, thank you.
thank you very much i appreciate it i hope you stay to watch the final big anno video
Glad to see you back
kept you waiting huh, hopefully the full video will be done soon
Very well made. Glad I found this video and your channel!
thank you!
Love each and every work of your work
thankyou!!!
This is an amazing analysis! Especially with the combination of your own animation, So awesome👏😊
i appreciate the comment!
@@Stevem No worries
Great video!! I love the Lain sound bites
thank yoU!
It's a default text voice from Mac called whisper, I found it from Suda 51s games
Fantastic video, really enjoyed it from start to finish ❤️👍
Thank you!
This video is amazing. First I've heard of this channel and it wasn't even over before I subscribed. Excellent work.
Hope you stay to see the final Anno video !
amazing video thank you as always for the amazing videos are always
Thank you stay tuned for the full video!
Thanks NGE means quite a deal to me and never heard some of these quotes from Anno
Glad you enjoyed
This is Elite information thankyou for the hard work put into this
thanks caleb, tune in for the full anno video when its done
The production quality of this video is beyond stellar, you gained my upmost respect and a new subscriber
Appreciate the comment ☺️
this is a great video, amazing work
thank you!
Best stevem video by far. One of the best videos on EVA ever.
i appreciate the kind words i hope you tune in for the full video we will talk about much more in that one
Thank you so much for translating this!
well it isnt me but i have someone doing it, it is about half way done so far another 3 interviews to go
Great video. Breath taking visuals
thank you!!!
I’m happy to see this channel grow, good job man!
thank you Odin!
@@Stevem No problem my boy, Feel free to visit me and my Valkyries… it’s a formal invitation by the way. I’m afraid is sadly not Through an actual letter but through the Internet, because of what COVID did to our Market relationships with earth… can you believe that!? 67 gold coins,15 emerald shards Imbued in goat’s tears and one chicken… all of that just to have a letter sent out to earth. Unbelievable, The most preposterous thing I’ve ever seen.
And I am not paying for it, even though I can.
This was so freaking good. I just don't have the right words to say. It's just soo good!
thank you for the kind response
Very good as always
Thank you so much 😀
This is peak content. Subbing, liking & simultaneously crying.
hope you watch the final video too!
Fantastic video!
thank you!
dang i loved this video, it's the first time i come across your channel and your content seems great !! cheers dude
glad you enjoyed!
Great video and I legit gotta say your marketing strategy is rather convincing
I firmly believe the end of evangelion is almost like Hideakianno's revenge. He gave people what they were asking for in a ending, and it was almost like a slap in the face. The shows ending was confusing, emotional, and almost hopeful. Evangelion's power is not the plot, its the characters and the way it makes the audience feel, and the ending wrapped that up perfectly while leaving the plot in the background where it sat the whole time without us ever noticing. but we asked for more and complained that it didn't end the way we wanted. So he gave us the visual spectacle that was expected and it was miserable. we watch the characters die and suffer and had no one to blame but ourselves. We had a chance for a happy ending but because we were not satisfied he gave us the thing farthest from a "happy ending".
I talk about this idea in the next part but I don't really buy into it, as the crew on the film seem to disagree and a lot of the film comes from the original script of ep 25, that they did not have time to make. The best revenge would really been to put their foot down and not make the movie at all
EVA's true themes, its interesting history as a cultural phenomenon worldwide and Anno + Production team's takes-- all in under half an hour. I'm just baffled at how expertly crafted this video is. Thanks a ton for bringing all the artists' takes to the table, I'm fascinated. Keep doing what you're doing!
hope you stay tuned for the big anno video theres much more to discuss!
Your channel is amazing. Just discovered it with your Paprika analysis and have been binging all videos. So... where's the 1 million subs plaque?
Holy fuck the algorithm has blessed me. Thank you for this.
Thank you !
Holy fuck my man, this whole video was an experience, thanks
glad you enjoyed
AMAZING
thank you victor!
This were recommended to me. Honestly i expect normal video essay but i was treated to a visual trip.
Outstanding delivery if i may say.
thank you!
@@Stevem no, thank YOU! *Bow
11:25 holyshit, I straight up laughed out loud, love your reviews man ❤
wait at which thing
@@Stevem afterall there was a man that once said...*cuts to literally the creator of the character that these guys were critiquing* it was 11:13 my bad
@@lemon-wf7dg ahh i see no worries lol glad you enjoyed anyway
This was amazing, thank you. Hopefully it'll help fix some of the constant misinformation that floats around about the production
we;ll see thats gonna be the job for the bigger anno video really too
Excellent.
this is great :o
thank you :)
Wow, what a treat it was to see this at the end of the day. This is what I love about your videos, the research, and presentation. This may be better than my favorite vid on the channel, the Kon vid. I've actually never watched Eva, and I've always debated if I want to, but this video may have gotten me to check it out. Also, the animation you showed on stream that was at the end of this was frickin awesome. Feels like I should be seeing that on a big screen. I'm also almost wondering if this is leading to a gainax project in general, but get the rest you need when the whole Anno video is done. Also, to be honest, I kind of feel bad for Anno. I don't think he knew how big Eva would be.
in 1997 the sales were something like 2.5million copies on home release in a year, its madness.
@@Stevem that's insane. That's impressive even nowadays. It almost feels like a George Lucas situation, they thought it was gonna maybe just make back its budget or just bomb, or even a cult following, but then wasn't prepared for the success. Interesting slightly related fact, another anime from gainax, Panty & Stocking With Garterbelt, was conceptualized while vacationing on an island, just like with Indiana Jones.
@@stheteller7470 last I heard panty is back in the hands of imaishi rights wise
@@Stevem it is, hopefully they do something with it eventually, as it is one of my favorite shows, and something so unique gets continued.
Awesome 👌 👍
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
I love the Evas. All other ‘robots’ look boxy and old like transformers. These evas resemble a human body more so they’re more appealing and honestly look more advanced than what it’s standardly ‘supposed to look like’.
"I was aiming for the coolness of the thing" -- absolutely the best explanation for any part of Eva. They nailed it.
good to see you !
hopefully ill be back again soon
I love interpreting the ending through the lens of freedom something which pops up into so much animanga its unreal
I really like how you style ur hair
(and cool vid)
it styles itself hahaha (im not in control)
Hey you're best got me. I really enjoyed that wealth of info. To think there's more, lol. There always is though really. I love that short animation you did. Really spoke to me in a deep way. Yeah I'm fucked up, I know. Props to you mate.
glad you enjoyed! and yeah theres always more lol
Nah, Shinji was alright. Sure he was extremely emotionally unstable but the again who isnt? He did his job extraordinarily well, he ended up with Asuka (Im like 90% sure they had a thing for eachother in NGE and EOE), he chose the best fate for humanity too (he made made it so that everyone who turned into fanta could come back to life as an individual being if they truely wanted too, allowing everyone to choose what they wanted. Asuka and Shinji just happened to be some of the first people to come back). So Shinji was an alright guy. Except for his jerk off session at the hospital but Im pretty sure it was implied that Auska was kinda into that weird shit. Anyways. Yeah.
Damn and I thought my loved for Eva and Anno was enough already. Then I saw this video on my notification.
shrug we shall see
Hi Hi from a follower of the "Kino Anitube Essayist" sphere. I kinda wanna withhold some of my judgmental critiques but also congratulate you on a great, timely and topical vid on Eva, even if it's a small part of a much larger project.
I'll try not to go back and point at the "other" eva retrospective, but while I'd say the other one is far cleaner and clearer, in both how it forms it's critical narrative with the exerpts it chooses, but also that it seems very..."open and shut" about it's presentation and interpretation of events. Not to say one over the other, but while that one is staged easily more chronologically, the good ol' STEVEM vid puts in very much tons of styling that I also can feel somewhat lost where some things line up.
However don't let that back-hand fool you, I am VERY intrigued going forward because even as it is a bit more...chaotic? a vid, there is actually far more nuance in conversation and it's depiction of Anno, even that Anno instead of "gradually losing faith and going into depression as Otaku-ism takes its toll" as is classically the story, you depict Anno as being rather...bi-polar? or at least flip-flopping between resentment and contempt but also fascination and self-reflection...WITHIN the supposed "downhill" turn up to even the controversial episode 25 and 26.
9:49 It's also DEFINITELY worth keeping that tab open of just catching so many BIG NAME anitubers in 4k just build their early 2010s career on the basis of just bashing Shinji for being anything but "the masculine hero role", reluctant and evasive as he is, even when so much of the show, again, says "getting in the robot" IS the ultimate goal AND a net positive, in growth and y'know doing big cool robot fights.
What I'll get at is that there's a lot of great and juicy data on display here, and yes I am 'miring about you flexing your animation chops once again, but it can be real "stream of thought" and many very poignant parts don't cleanly fit in at least an obvious pattern (I kinda feel the need to re-go over things with a fine-tooth comb not just in sourcing but in general context, less as a fact check, but more just expounding, like if the Western hate train even actually did reach Anno's ears at all).
Still...the chaos might well add to the point, since Anno himself seems to have as much a on-off love-hate relationship with EVA as a whole, even as he navigates both appreciation for Otaku and nerd cultures, warning against escapism, and well just having as much a complicated relationship with the fan community anyways.
In many ways, the "other" video is a foregone conclusion that I'm sure will just end with a very tired "ReBuild was just Anno trolling you otakus lol", but here, I'm actually unsure but really interested what the wider scope of the project is aiming for. And although I'm uncertain "where" this is going, perhaps that's also even more to your credit since it's got far more depth than how the typical Anno depictions (at least con-temporarily) depict him as some forsake Otaku martyr.
Also shout-out to Pause and Selects impeccable Nihongo, it's jyouzu
yeah i dont believe the rebuilds are anno meming on otaku or whatever and in the next section we show where annos opinions on otaku lie and where they go into the future
I just watched evangelion and as a video production major I really focused in on the crazy editing. not just in the opening. there's so many cool weird cuts that really force the audience to follow the story at the pace it wants to go at rather than how you want to observe it.
HOLY SHIT HOW HAVE I NEVER KNOWN GHIBLI ANIMATED EPSIODE 11 OF EVA?! Thank you
yeah its one of those funny things , that when you know you can really tell
09:25 I would say that both Amuro and Shinji were perceived as representing the generations of viewers of the time they were airing. Yuichiro Oguro, a former editor for Animage, talked in his series of articles on Char's Counterattack about Amuro's story was "our story" for his generation, just like Shinji's story was for its audience in the 90s
oh interessting!!! yeah the clip of the 30 year old man from japan agrees with the sentiment , Is there somewhere i can read the oguro piece sounds like id enjoy it!
@@Stevem I read an Italian translation of those articles, unfortunately I'm not aware of any English translation 😭
oh damn well send it anyway and ill see if i can find a translation
It makes sense that Anno would constantly reinterpret his own work.
A big part of the intuitive's quest in life is to understand the enigma that is himself. That is one of his motivations for making art.
I don't know if Anno would still describe Evangelion as his life, but though this sounds melodramatic is reflects a very important truth: it is by the formulation and amplification of narratives that a person comes to understand himself and expand the awareness and self knowledge he needs to live and find meaning. What is also equally true is that this story can serve very much the same purpose to other people and is a token of Evangelion's mastery.
Gendo appears to be as a contamination of the shadow with the Self, or even the latter's dark aspect period. It has the inflated character of the prophet with his elevated state of consciousness -- but the author is self conscious of this and therefore presents him as egomaniacal rather than divine. As it would happen, it was most likely Gendo himself who made the quip about his penis.
People have compared Gendo to the generation of anime creators Anno developed out of, which would make Gendo a metaphor for those he worked under, such as Miyazaki, and Shinji with himself as a bumbling ego personality who seems to lack all competence. In this regard, Gendo reflects who Anno aspired to be and eventually became. Indeed, Seele has been compared with the broadcasting studios that created difficulties for Gainax or even the corrupt elements in Gainax that Anno had to grapple with as director.
However, I hesitate to fully equate Gendo with the Self in this context. He becomes it much more explicitly in Shin Evangelion. No -- I am convinced this distinction belongs to another who gives a far more even appraisal of who Anno is and could be. It could be no other in light of the themes and conclusion of the series. Kaworu is warmer, but still a somewhat "external" depiction of the Self. One that even Gendo, to the extent that he is the Self, is subordinated to and receives judgement from. I suppose, by process of elimination, I'm not leaving much ambiguity, but I still refuse to say it.
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The soul is readily identified as Asuka. It doesn't get more obvious than emblazoning "02" on her plug-suit for personality #2. (Shinji, again, being the lamentable personality #1.)
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The extrovert is competent in all the ways the introvert is lacking, so it's hardly surprising that Shini was popular in Japan but perplexed western viewers. Heck, I had no trouble understanding this perspective for myself, but his isolation was too relatable.
"Men will disappear."
That is exactly the conclusion reached by Jung and expanded upon in On The Origin and History of Consciousness: the whole point of rituals and norms associated with masculinity is to strengthen ego consciousness. If this ever ceased, man would lose consciousness and supposedly regress to a pre-conscious state. (Masculinity being almost equivalent with consciousness. Though was a funny side note, consciousness always comes to the delusion that it came out of itself, for it is necessarily aware of nothing else. Hence, the myth that the paternal Jehovah made man in his image, rather than Great Mother of the unconsciousness being birth to her conscious son. Something very much like this happens when Shinji emerges from unit 01's core.)
This is why the feminine came to be vilified and strictly controlled for it's disintegrated effect upon consciousness. It always perplexed me that men would always sneer at the "feminization" of this or that without seeming to have any clear idea as to why this was so important to them.
They are of course not conscious of this motive directly, for it comes to them from the superego. But feminists seem to conclude that each individual man is conspiring in this absurd way when what's at work is a trans-personal reality. Off topic.
However, this distinction and the attendant images of consciousness and masculinity are not _mere_ illusions, but adaptations humanity has developed for it's survival. Our abstractions are as much a natural part of us as our limbs; but just like bodily organs, they can becomes diseased and lose orientation. Philosophy and the social sciences have correctly identified that man's image of himself is conceptual and arbitrary, but make nothing of the subjective underpinnings that guided the formation of these concepts that are to the psyche as DNA is to the body.
There is a sense that Anno placed a heavy burden on the feminine within himself and sought to destroy it -- because he believed, as so many men are pressured into believing -- this would finally make him a man. This inner woman even did her best to obey and hung herself, resulting in sterility and decay. But nothing could have been further from the truth, for it is the woman in him who maintains that web of mantra that binds his masculinity and the otherwise isolated and fragmentary organs of the personality together. It should come as little surprise that was is responsible for destroying consciousness is it's very maker.
What happens when the feminine is reintegrated?
Ultraman returns against the eva series.
Unfortunately, Shinji, as the ego, still wasn't ready for what the soul had formulated and the panacea that would cure him is discarded as "the stone of no worth." Only after the disintegration of the personality in the maternal uroboros is Shinji's neurotic egoism finally overcome.
What is a man? Whatever -he keeps telling himself- his soul keeps telling him. What he lets her tell him. It is of the same nature as a story. A myth. A maya. It is sung into being as a cruel angel's thesis.
i appreciate the comment!
I cant myself comment to much of most of this, but i will say on your question about anno, yes he did publically change his outlook on creating work to more detatched in the mid 00s, he's a different person, he wanted that seperation and to some extent i think his wifes manga made him start to think about a different approach, more external less internal
that was good, thanks
no probs
This is one of the top 3 Eva analysis I've ever seen, delicious work bro.
Eva has to be my favourite piece of not only anime but media in general. I completely understand why people hate shinji, he's a closed off kid who bathes in his depression for a good deal of the series. But I think that's the point, shinjis character embodies a fuckton of emotions and ideas people can relate with. The reason we hate shinji is because majority of the things he embodies are what we hate the most about ourselves, the inability to be in control, not knowing how to communicate your feelings, feeling like you are unwanted ect. Like when I watched Eva i didn't like it because of how much shinji would make me think about myself. After maturing a couple years and have gone through the shit I've gone through I've grown to not to hate shinji but to sympathize with him.
check out the final video! (when it is done) We'll be gettting into it to a lot of other eva stuff, including how rebuilds rsponds to the series
you finally explained EVA, or at least the ending, living beyond anime.
still more to come!
0:30 *"Anno, you've gotta have Thicc legs if you're going to sell units"*
it was the style of the time
If you know a little about occult philosophy then the whole show makes sense. The beginning, middle and end tie together in that framework of "self actualization" they've just changed the magical elements and used science fiction in their place.
It’s a fantastic occult show
When I think back on this show I remember a lot of unpleasant scenes, but it's important to remember that it was meant to. It was meant to show all the unpleasant things you have inside you.
Very appropiate music selection at 15:30. Really miss Norihiko Hibino making creepy synth choirs.