Contact issues? Remove the heatsink and clean everything up, then get yourself some articulating paper, put it on the vrms and mount the heatsink. Then remove it again. The paper will tell you exactly where there are contact issues and to what extend, giving you and idea on what you should do to fix the issue. It's the paper dentists let you bite down on to check if your teeth fit well together.
I got a lot of RGB capable stuff, though I keep it at a solid color, I can't stand the rainbow flashing lights, but it is nice to change the color every now and then.
Wendell, I just want to say that you are so underrated man. You deserve a million views. The videos are always very informative and make me laugh at the same time!
thefluffy the problem is his audience is at another level. He has all of us here and we aren’t a huge crowd. Now if he forked the channel to have level1gaming and built these ridiculous gaming rigs he would have a million subs in no time at all! Just the way Wendell presents the data is off the hook! He would blow the pcmasterrace gamers mind!
Watching those systems shredding kernel compiling and rendering on the screen is the only amount of RGB necessary. Maybe you could let Linus test the system remotely and send it to him once he likes the perfomance of it. Also would be so awesome to see him on the channel.
I respectfully disagree, and say the outer casing of their fans looks like a computer that's been in a chain smokers home for the past 10 years, and the fans themselves reminds me of the color of crap, but that's in no way knocking their performance, and now that they have them in gray/black I'm going to have to pick some up soon. :-)
Buildzoid did a video on this, it's not that the cooling is necessary is that almost all the VRM solutions are way under provisioned for a overclocked 2990WX and are deep into their inefficiency curve. More VRM phases are necessary for the first time in a long time.
I guess atleast the boards have safty mechanisms to power off or throttle if temps are too high, i remember in the phenom 2 days a 125watt 6 core 1095t or the 1100t were blowing up boards, just straight out frying the vrms. Even overclocked phenom quads were blowing up some boards.
i predicted this before the 24/32core TR's were launched... but just announced. - And there comes MSI with a proper VRM on their MEG board ... just of course they go ahead and put a inefficient Slab of a heatsink on top of it so it can still get too toasty with overclocking... some fan solution still necessary if you will overclock the 32core...
@@janiss2926 Intel's high core count stuff is also facing VRM temp issues in the consumer grade stuff, I haven't read to much about the 9900K and the boards but I'm fairly certain that people will have these issues as well as 9900K will be supported on many low end boards and maybe even naked VRMs if the buyer don't know much about it.
@@VikingDudee more cores + higher clocks n voltage = more current/load from the VRM's - intel's stuff runs at significantly higher clocks and that's where you get the load from, downclock it to amd territory and it wont be too bad, also the nm difference plays a part. the 32core TR has 4x ryzen7 cpu's in it so it practically quadruples the current draw, and that is why i predicted we will need new beefier motherboards than the first TR releases...
I'm a PSU snob now. I will only do Seasonic from now on! I got so excited about the Prime series and the Focus+ PSU's! :D :D If I weren't broke I'd replace all the PC PSU's in my house with Seasonic!
Take Corsair RM instead, better than Seasonic. This from a guy who dislikes Corsair because they sold a chunk of the company to some of the worst companies in the world (Goldman Sachs should be called a criminal organisation).
Had far too many Seasonic powersupplys with coil whine and the prime series have too thin gauge pcie cables. Superflower leadex platform is my favorite.
@theEmil , a 3-5 gig ramdisk would be enough for most builds of a hobbyist. If you need bigger and lack the resources, you have the wrong hardware for the job, imho.
@@AdamJee923 He says it like it is, and doesn't pussyfoot around people getting in the way. I don't know how he'll handle the new code of conduct. I suspect he'll get kicked out of his own project fairly soon.
@Level1Techs Tiny Tom Logan(OC3D) found the Gigabyte motherboard got hot on the back side as well as the VRMS. He stuck a fan around the back to blow air onto it and began passing benchmarks he wasn't able to before. Might be worth modding the case to fit a 80/120/140 fan in the rear. Noctua make a 120Slim which is very nice.
@@andljoy His stated goal is to mellow out. With Linus possibly becoming a meek man and the rise of offended people plus the implementation of the CoC, we're in for a rough ride ahead.
I craft ducts out of cardboard all the time lol! Most OEM workstations like HP Z and Dell Precision have ducted air flow. Makes perfect sense. It's amazing how little attention ducted airflow has in the custom pc space. Maybe someone should just add rgb LEDs.
3D printing is my method of doing ducting, though that's easily a week to a month learning Solidworks before I could start doing any real duct designs.
Another knock outta the park Wendell! I love the enthusiasm overall. I usually don't dive this deeply into Linux, but this video makes me want to dig deeper. 10/10
@@tin2001 I guess I could understand some people wanting that. I'm an old-school grouch, though. I know where the damn keys are, unless you mutilate your keyboard layout like so many manufacturers do these days. Just put the keys in the right places and leave out those LEDs to give me more key travel! But some people, for whatever reason, do prefer to have labels on their keycaps and.backlights behind them, and I guess I can understand that.
@wendell, AT LEAST you acknowledge your "awkwardness"... think about all those folks out there who have no idea how awkward they're being. Good job. :) Great video and content as always, keep on being you buddy, we love ya!
I love the build and totally understand the approach Linus would prefer for the development he does. I have found that with my workflow, multiple systems actually is more efficient than a single high power system. Different kind of programming altogether but, still, something to consider. Now, if I could have 3 2990WX systems like this here, well, a man can dream...
I also have two fans exhausting on the bottom. I have a Corsair 750D case with a full inch clearance on the bottom, and it keeps dust from settling on the glass table it's sitting on.. which is great since the glass is black and you'd see any of it. I also have those Noctua fans (Sterox? I can't remember).. and I can't say enough about them. They're what you want if quiet is your thing, and still want to cool your PC. They move more air than any other fan this quiet I've ever used.. and I've used many.
Seeing this only a year late :P but one great tip for reducing noise is to use 140 mm fans. 280 rads have only 10% less surface area than 360mm rads. 2x140 mm Noctua fans can push as much air as 3x120 fans at much lower rpms with almost no loss in pressure. So you could be running 1200 rpm 140mm fans instead of 1700 rpm 120 mm fans and get pretty much the same effect but at much lower noise levels. Please note this is mostly possible with Noctua fans - with almost any other fan i've noticed significant pressure drops with larger fans.
that is so much a ZDG like cooling mod. Stuff household items into the comp to make the fans cool something other than the side panel. I like it! I did the same thing with a cut up coffee can in the GN R7 build, lol. Nicely done Wendell and crew. B)
When you said "a cluster of Threadrippers" I was really hoping it was a functional cluster rig. Three Threadrippers tied into a cluster would be a thing of beauty. As for the build... I would do unspeakable things to obtain it. A few years ago I bought a salvage Supermicro quad-socket board that supports hexacore Opterons. I thought I was going to build the mack-daddy 24-core workstation. Now you can buy 64 cores on a single CPU... FML. Though, to be fair, I could build my entire workstation for less than the cost of just the Threadripper.
Wendel, would you be willing to remake this video after Threadripper 3 with the new TR4 motherboards are out? I've been wanting/dreaming about this kind of workstation for a while now.
Hey Wendel, did you get a chance to see Hardware Unboxed's X399 motherboard video? Steve compared 4 X399 boards for their VRM temp and surprisingly, Gigabyte performs awful and is not only limited by temperature but some sort of over-current protection kicks in. There are better boards out there like Asus Zenith Extreme (with fan add-on) or MSI MEG Creation (totally passive)
Aye, I don't get it why he chose the Gigabyte board over the MEG Creation either. The latter has better VRM's and is cooled passively (-> lower noise). It would suit perfectly for his goals, right?! Also the Creation part of its name would suit this build very well. :D
@Level1Techs - how much space does the Define R6 has behind the motherboard? - back in the AMD FX days i would put a small fan at the back of the motherboard towards the cpu socket/vrm area and it would remove some 20 degrees or thereabouts from the VRM's (gigabyte 970a-UD3P 8-phase) - you could possibly get a very thin small fan to stuff in there and still be able to keep the back panel on!
Gigabyte board is one of the worse ones for Overclocking, even with the heat sink since the VRM is very questionable (even with the fans). I believe Hardware Unboxed did a video reviewing the x399 boards with the 2990WX.
I still have the original Define XL from 201 (has 140mm side fan, no top vents*), it had been running louder than usual with higher temps. So yesterday I actually got around to cleaning it, I thought it was just the intake filters that needed cleaning... Nope! The variable fan controller had died taking out 4 fans; all 3 in the front (two 140mm & 120mm), plus the 180mm fan in the top (*that pushes air out the back, not a huge amount of airflow, but removes dead spots). I replaced it with a PWM splitter as I've run out of motherboard headers (5). Now runs passively with only the CPU fans at ~600rpm if I limit the CPU to 40%, or all fans at ~1000rpm when stress testing (i7 6700k @ 4.6ghz). One problem I've found with air cooling and low fan speeds at idle with that the CPU temp jumps up before the cooling catches up, making the fans spin up) Noctua will send free AM4 upgrade kits for DH14-D14 owners, I think that's a nice touch. I'm hoping case and cooler can handle a 3850X without being noisy. As I'm not a fan of open-topped PC cases as I don't want a spilt drink on my desk (like yesterday) to kill the computer, plus fans in my line of sight are noticeably louder.. Speaking of RGB shaming, I have some black fabric covering the power/ disk activity light (no noise and no lights👌). PS: I would be useful to see some benchmarks on different memory speeds/ number of channels on high core counts. Two channels for 16 cores does seem to be pushing things. Same goes for testing different fans, with and without filters (opening my computer to clean it isn't as fun as it used to be).
I wish my Enermax worked for more than 9 months before becoming useless and 6 months before it started giving me problems, but it did get me to make my first custom loop that I am now very happy with.
Did you try to have the rear fan in intake orientation? With the 3 x 120 mm exhausting in the front, and only 1 x 120 mm and 1 x 140 mm intakes in the bottom, I bet it would help with cooling - especially the VRMs sitting right next to the fan.
Should be worth noting (sorry if I missed it being mentioned) that the Meshify C does not support E-ATX. A good number of the X399 boards are E-ATX. Just double check your hardware as usual before making a purchase. Nice video. Patiently waiting for the remaining two videos on the other channel. ;)
I had to replace a 15amp GFCI breaker with a normal 15amp as the GFCI kept tripping when my PC was underload with a 4.5ghz 5960X and 2x 1070's. At stock it was fine for a long period, but the GFCI breaker just was too sensitive compared to a plain jane 15 amp breaker.
Question about your build. What type of Noctua fans are you using for the Enermax Radiator? Followup question, "If I wanted equivalent Black colored Noctua 120 mm Fans for my Enermax radiator, what would be your suggestion?" Thanks in advance.
You should give the Thermalright Silver Arrow TR4 air cooler a try. I'm using it on my Threadripper 2990wx with great success (and very quiet most of the time) but I have barely heard anyone talk about it yet.
Maybe try running the rear fan as an intake with the rad at the front, but put two intake fans (one on top and at the bottom like you have it) at low rpm feeding air into the rad exhausting out the front. Just for science 😜 Edit well if you haven’t done this or something similar already lol
Meshify C can get good temps while still keeping it silent if you go full beQuiet(Dark Rock Pro 4 is more silent than the Noctua coolers). Of course, On Threadripper is a differnt story.
Is 250 W vs 180 W TDP really that much of a difference to make Noctua insufficient? I'm running a 1950X with Noctua NH-U14S + additional 140 mm Noctua fan in a SilentiumPC Pax M70 Pure Black v2, it's completely silent with fans running at 200-300 RPM and temperatures never rising much above 60°C under heavy load (i.e. recompiling whole system - Gentoo). Compiling Linux takes about 40 s. Even during the summer the noisiest things in my vicinity were my displays' power supply coils.
I bet TRIM is NOT enabled for RAID 10. To remedy the situation I would leave some un-allocated space in each SSD to be used as static over-provisioning.
Love those builds, considering a threadripper upgrade myself and was wondering what my options are, this helped. BTW, once you go Noctua, you never go back. I didn't think a simple fan would make such a big difference, but once I bought one i finally understood why people love them. Now i have 4 of them, lol
the 8b gig version ( per stick) of the crucial stuff will run at like 3000mhtz cl16 no problem if you bump the voltage to 1.35 I also wish fractal would just make a mesh front for the Define S, its the best case for watercooling.
Question about the R6, with a EATX Mobo (like the MSI Meg/Aorus-Xtrem/Asus Zenith). Is there interference/contact stopping the drive bays from being installed, for 5.25/3.5/2.5 storage (plate forward, hiding the drives from the window side). Can the ATX 24 + 8 pins, Sata data and front panel connectors/cables, still be routed, with out clearance issues? As I'm thinking about an R6 set up (2950X + EATX mobo + 64GB ram) with an optical drive and several 3.5 HDD and a few SSD (+ nvme boot drive). All air cooled and I'm hoping to use this case, but its depends on fit.
I made a cardboard fan duct back when I had a Mac 3G Beige desktop. I removed the 300 MHz CPU and replaced it with a 1 GHz chip then overclocked it to 1.18 GHz added a Radeon and some ram. was pretty sick. I tried to get a device that would allow 2 CPUs to connect to one socket, but it was no longer available
Oh hey, it's my elementary school "invention" in box form. I made a nylon bag with an opening in the side to strap to a window fan. Surprisingly, it actually kind of helped. But now I'm wondering why I, or my parents, never thought to use cardboard.
A lot of sites can show you how to build a system - but not many offer any configuration ideas - I personally use an nvme for OS ... an nvme for pictures - videos - games and documents - then I back those both up to a couple of velociraptors configured in storage spaces . I put as little as possible on the OS drive and change the OS folder locations to the other nvme . Seems to make sense to me ... LoL :P
Late to the party but recently found you through Gamers Nexus. Personally running a 2950X with a Gigabyte Designare-Ex, G-Skill Flare X and Seasonic Focus Gold Plus, cooled by a BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro TR4 in a Pure Base case. Also got a Fractal Design R6 but that holds an Intel system.
It's basically silent mate, almost 1.5 meters of rads, the fans almost don't need to spin :P
We will have to see how well it does in summer.
killum109 I have a magical device that keeps the room at 21c all year, it's very nice ;)
Steve, isn't the board Wendell is using the same motherboard you found to overheat the VRM despite the 2 fans?
Maxvla yep, doesn't work on an open testbed without air-flow very well.
Contact issues?
Remove the heatsink and clean everything up, then get yourself some articulating paper, put it on the vrms and mount the heatsink. Then remove it again. The paper will tell you exactly where there are contact issues and to what extend, giving you and idea on what you should do to fix the issue.
It's the paper dentists let you bite down on to check if your teeth fit well together.
the best place to put RGB in the bin.
RGB Trashcan! Now at an Apple Store near you.
Or in an RGBW spot light with DMX in the back...
A-men
I got a lot of RGB capable stuff, though I keep it at a solid color, I can't stand the rainbow flashing lights, but it is nice to change the color every now and then.
Did you say ... in the /bin ?
Wendell, I just want to say that you are so underrated man. You deserve a million views. The videos are always very informative and make me laugh at the same time!
thefluffy the problem is his audience is at another level. He has all of us here and we aren’t a huge crowd. Now if he forked the channel to have level1gaming and built these ridiculous gaming rigs he would have a million subs in no time at all! Just the way Wendell presents the data is off the hook! He would blow the pcmasterrace gamers mind!
Watching those systems shredding kernel compiling and rendering on the screen is the only amount of RGB necessary.
Maybe you could let Linus test the system remotely and send it to him once he likes the perfomance of it. Also would be so awesome to see him on the channel.
Noctua fans have a lovely colour scheme. Sort of beautiful reminiscent of old beige IBM PC's.
I respectfully disagree, and say the outer casing of their fans looks like a computer that's been in a chain smokers home for the past 10 years, and the fans themselves reminds me of the color of crap, but that's in no way knocking their performance, and now that they have them in gray/black I'm going to have to pick some up soon. :-)
well I respectfully disagree with your disagreement :).
samzx81 Fair enough :-)
When I recommend the high end Noctua models, I usually preface the recommendation with: "Yes. They only come in that color."
Awesome project. Insane that we've reached limits where even the best VRM cooling available isn't enough.
Buildzoid did a video on this, it's not that the cooling is necessary is that almost all the VRM solutions are way under provisioned for a overclocked 2990WX and are deep into their inefficiency curve. More VRM phases are necessary for the first time in a long time.
I guess atleast the boards have safty mechanisms to power off or throttle if temps are too high, i remember in the phenom 2 days a 125watt 6 core 1095t or the 1100t were blowing up boards, just straight out frying the vrms. Even overclocked phenom quads were blowing up some boards.
i predicted this before the 24/32core TR's were launched... but just announced. - And there comes MSI with a proper VRM on their MEG board ... just of course they go ahead and put a inefficient Slab of a heatsink on top of it so it can still get too toasty with overclocking... some fan solution still necessary if you will overclock the 32core...
@@janiss2926 Intel's high core count stuff is also facing VRM temp issues in the consumer grade stuff, I haven't read to much about the 9900K and the boards but I'm fairly certain that people will have these issues as well as 9900K will be supported on many low end boards and maybe even naked VRMs if the buyer don't know much about it.
@@VikingDudee more cores + higher clocks n voltage = more current/load from the VRM's - intel's stuff runs at significantly higher clocks and that's where you get the load from, downclock it to amd territory and it wont be too bad, also the nm difference plays a part. the 32core TR has 4x ryzen7 cpu's in it so it practically quadruples the current draw, and that is why i predicted we will need new beefier motherboards than the first TR releases...
Seasonic a man of culture i see
I'm a PSU snob now. I will only do Seasonic from now on! I got so excited about the Prime series and the Focus+ PSU's! :D :D If I weren't broke I'd replace all the PC PSU's in my house with Seasonic!
@@nateo200 Seasonic psu + 300$ mobo= 6+ years guaranteed
Take Corsair RM instead, better than Seasonic. This from a guy who dislikes Corsair because they sold a chunk of the company to some of the worst companies in the world (Goldman Sachs should be called a criminal organisation).
Had far too many Seasonic powersupplys with coil whine and the prime series have too thin gauge pcie cables. Superflower leadex platform is my favorite.
You realize that the RM series are just rebadged Seasonic units right? Same with the SF series from Corsair...
Meanwhile my rig compiles the linux kernel in 25 to 30... minutes :/ 30 seconds oh my god
My thoughts exactly, and I have what most consumers would consider a high-end cpu.
Use a ramdisk. 1min with fx6300 6x3.8GHz. To compile from hdd is a joke.
@@maddfix I compiled from ssd in the past but ramdisk sounds like a nice idea. Too bad ram is still really expensive
@theEmil , a 3-5 gig ramdisk would be enough for most builds of a hobbyist. If you need bigger and lack the resources, you have the wrong hardware for the job, imho.
Or just use CFLAGS="-pipe"
So glad you included the video of Linus telling Nvidia off! Haha
Someone needs to meme the shit out of that with the 2080 and 2080ti bullshit.
Cracked me up. Love Linus he's real. Hes a fellow Capricorn too. Legend.
@@AdamJee923
He says it like it is, and doesn't pussyfoot around people getting in the way. I don't know how he'll handle the new code of conduct. I suspect he'll get kicked out of his own project fairly soon.
@@tin2001Would be interested in his opinion after of Gavin Andressen.
You can tell these are pro builds because there's a Swiss army-knife there.
And insulation pads to stop shorting
Oh boy... He's going to talk more about the fans in a minute. I'm guessing blowing heat inwards and pressed up against a solid surface 😂
But there are fans on the radiator... and the screws don’t go all the way through it!
Dude , your enthusiasm is really endearing. Love this channel.
Linus finally upgraded to a threadripper. Only took a year.
@Level1Techs Tiny Tom Logan(OC3D) found the Gigabyte motherboard got hot on the back side as well as the VRMS. He stuck a fan around the back to blow air onto it and began passing benchmarks he wasn't able to before. Might be worth modding the case to fit a 80/120/140 fan in the rear. Noctua make a 120Slim which is very nice.
I'd call that Beast Mode - but I'm not sure if I'm talking about the workstation or Wendell.
Now with Microsoft owning GitHub, The Linux Foundation endorsing the acquisition and Linus leaving... Can you please fork Linux and name it Wendux?
I would totally run wendux. Linus however is not leaving as far as i know , he is on a break as the poor man is overworked.
Linus is leaving? Nooo.. I hope someone as good as him can take over.
He is NOT leaving.
pssh I prefer BSD anyways.
@@andljoy His stated goal is to mellow out. With Linus possibly becoming a meek man and the rise of offended people plus the implementation of the CoC, we're in for a rough ride ahead.
I craft ducts out of cardboard all the time lol! Most OEM workstations like HP Z and Dell Precision have ducted air flow. Makes perfect sense. It's amazing how little attention ducted airflow has in the custom pc space. Maybe someone should just add rgb LEDs.
I agree. I'm trying to sort out how to add ducting to my next build just because it's the best way to optimize airflow.
3D printing is my method of doing ducting, though that's easily a week to a month learning Solidworks before I could start doing any real duct designs.
I definitely want to get a 3d printer one day. I'd totally use it to print ducts, drive brackets, and other accessories for pc's and cases.
This is so nerdy and I love it. Thank you for doing so much for the Linux community Wendell.
The fork joke was genius!
Another knock outta the park Wendell! I love the enthusiasm overall. I usually don't dive this deeply into Linux, but this video makes me want to dig deeper. 10/10
lmao I loved it when you chucked those lights in the garbage. I do not get the appeal of RGB at all.
RGB backlighting on a laptop keyboard means you can tint it to a comfortable colour that works for you.... Beyond that, I don't get it either.
@@tin2001 I guess I could understand some people wanting that.
I'm an old-school grouch, though. I know where the damn keys are, unless you mutilate your keyboard layout like so many manufacturers do these days. Just put the keys in the right places and leave out those LEDs to give me more key travel!
But some people, for whatever reason, do prefer to have labels on their keycaps and.backlights behind them, and I guess I can understand that.
@wendell, AT LEAST you acknowledge your "awkwardness"... think about all those folks out there who have no idea how awkward they're being. Good job. :) Great video and content as always, keep on being you buddy, we love ya!
Compiling the Linux kernel seems like a pretty good benchmark for testing CPUs - Awesome build!
This is the most rgb I've ever seen in a video. This RGB is so strong, youtube crapped out a couple of times.
Compilation Benchmarks Reign Supreme!
Nice videos, nice to listen to someone who knows what he talk about (servers, workstation, etc)
Would be great to see another video with E.S Raymond , maybe one having him do some repo surgeon in this new beast
0:15 It's like a million LTT fans cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
So much excitement!) what I realized is I definitely need one of those RGB stroboscopes inside of my server case!
Hey, it's me Linus. Now give me that PC, okay thanks bye!
I love the build and totally understand the approach Linus would prefer for the development he does. I have found that with my workflow, multiple systems actually is more efficient than a single high power system. Different kind of programming altogether but, still, something to consider. Now, if I could have 3 2990WX systems like this here, well, a man can dream...
So finally, Linus Torvalds switched to AMD. A Threadripper, the 3970X no less!
I also have two fans exhausting on the bottom. I have a Corsair 750D case with a full inch clearance on the bottom, and it keeps dust from settling on the glass table it's sitting on.. which is great since the glass is black and you'd see any of it. I also have those Noctua fans (Sterox? I can't remember).. and I can't say enough about them. They're what you want if quiet is your thing, and still want to cool your PC. They move more air than any other fan this quiet I've ever used.. and I've used many.
I'm trying to convince myself that i need the 2990wx. I'm feeling insecure with my 4 Core 8 Thread i7-4790K.
Same cpu I have and I'm in no way a 'power' user.
Seeing this only a year late :P but one great tip for reducing noise is to use 140 mm fans. 280 rads have only 10% less surface area than 360mm rads. 2x140 mm Noctua fans can push as much air as 3x120 fans at much lower rpms with almost no loss in pressure. So you could be running 1200 rpm 140mm fans instead of 1700 rpm 120 mm fans and get pretty much the same effect but at much lower noise levels. Please note this is mostly possible with Noctua fans - with almost any other fan i've noticed significant pressure drops with larger fans.
How did it work out in the end, did Linus Torvalds contact you and receive the computer?
It's kind of crazy that you can tell those fans have such tight tolerances.. definitely going in my next build.
Dream developer workstation
AND TODAY, TORVALDS FINALLY CAME TO AMD!!!!!!
Go Wendell, go!
0:16 seconds in - best use for RGB i've ever seen right there.
ps also i like the pink thermal pad thing. NO COMPROMISE EVEN FOR NOT PINK
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS SINCE YOUR LAST LINUX BUILD.
how about a 3D printed duct?
Ahh, the Hardware Unboxed call out at the beginning :)
Next level burn right there 😢 lol
that is so much a ZDG like cooling mod. Stuff household items into the comp to make the fans cool something other than the side panel. I like it! I did the same thing with a cut up coffee can in the GN R7 build, lol.
Nicely done Wendell and crew. B)
64 cores/ 128 Threads total between those 3 machines.... That's a lot of powah!!!!!!!!!
When you said "a cluster of Threadrippers" I was really hoping it was a functional cluster rig. Three Threadrippers tied into a cluster would be a thing of beauty.
As for the build... I would do unspeakable things to obtain it. A few years ago I bought a salvage Supermicro quad-socket board that supports hexacore Opterons. I thought I was going to build the mack-daddy 24-core workstation. Now you can buy 64 cores on a single CPU... FML. Though, to be fair, I could build my entire workstation for less than the cost of just the Threadripper.
Awesome stuff, & the video of Linus telling off Nvidia never gets old. :-)
Wendel, would you be willing to remake this video after Threadripper 3 with the new TR4 motherboards are out? I've been wanting/dreaming about this kind of workstation for a while now.
Very nice machines you built! Love to see your excitement about them as well ;p
Loved the content! Subscribed! Keep up the amazing work.
0:16 rgb trashcan and rgb kvm confirmed
Hey Wendel, did you get a chance to see Hardware Unboxed's X399 motherboard video? Steve compared 4 X399 boards for their VRM temp and surprisingly, Gigabyte performs awful and is not only limited by temperature but some sort of over-current protection kicks in. There are better boards out there like Asus Zenith Extreme (with fan add-on) or MSI MEG Creation (totally passive)
Aye, I don't get it why he chose the Gigabyte board over the MEG Creation either. The latter has better VRM's and is cooled passively (-> lower noise). It would suit perfectly for his goals, right?! Also the Creation part of its name would suit this build very well. :D
OC3D also made a nice review on the board
@Level1Techs - how much space does the Define R6 has behind the motherboard? - back in the AMD FX days i would put a small fan at the back of the motherboard towards the cpu socket/vrm area and it would remove some 20 degrees or thereabouts from the VRM's (gigabyte 970a-UD3P 8-phase) - you could possibly get a very thin small fan to stuff in there and still be able to keep the back panel on!
Gigabyte board is one of the worse ones for Overclocking, even with the heat sink since the VRM is very questionable (even with the fans). I believe Hardware Unboxed did a video reviewing the x399 boards with the 2990WX.
Loved the Fork!
Wendel knows the best place to put RGB!
I still have the original Define XL from 201 (has 140mm side fan, no top vents*), it had been running louder than usual with higher temps. So yesterday I actually got around to cleaning it, I thought it was just the intake filters that needed cleaning... Nope! The variable fan controller had died taking out 4 fans; all 3 in the front (two 140mm & 120mm), plus the 180mm fan in the top (*that pushes air out the back, not a huge amount of airflow, but removes dead spots). I replaced it with a PWM splitter as I've run out of motherboard headers (5).
Now runs passively with only the CPU fans at ~600rpm if I limit the CPU to 40%, or all fans at ~1000rpm when stress testing (i7 6700k @ 4.6ghz). One problem I've found with air cooling and low fan speeds at idle with that the CPU temp jumps up before the cooling catches up, making the fans spin up)
Noctua will send free AM4 upgrade kits for DH14-D14 owners, I think that's a nice touch. I'm hoping case and cooler can handle a 3850X without being noisy. As I'm not a fan of open-topped PC cases as I don't want a spilt drink on my desk (like yesterday) to kill the computer, plus fans in my line of sight are noticeably louder..
Speaking of RGB shaming, I have some black fabric covering the power/ disk activity light (no noise and no lights👌).
PS: I would be useful to see some benchmarks on different memory speeds/ number of channels on high core counts. Two channels for 16 cores does seem to be pushing things. Same goes for testing different fans, with and without filters (opening my computer to clean it isn't as fun as it used to be).
I wish my Enermax worked for more than 9 months before becoming useless and 6 months before it started giving me problems, but it did get me to make my first custom loop that I am now very happy with.
I really hope this channel goes forever
Did you try to have the rear fan in intake orientation? With the 3 x 120 mm exhausting in the front, and only 1 x 120 mm and 1 x 140 mm intakes in the bottom, I bet it would help with cooling - especially the VRMs sitting right next to the fan.
Should be worth noting (sorry if I missed it being mentioned) that the Meshify C does not support E-ATX. A good number of the X399 boards are E-ATX. Just double check your hardware as usual before making a purchase.
Nice video. Patiently waiting for the remaining two videos on the other channel. ;)
Dat forking joke! Awesome viedo
I had to replace a 15amp GFCI breaker with a normal 15amp as the GFCI kept tripping when my PC was underload with a 4.5ghz 5960X and 2x 1070's. At stock it was fine for a long period, but the GFCI breaker just was too sensitive compared to a plain jane 15 amp breaker.
Great videos. Always... huge fan :)
LOL. The paper box solution reminds me of the air duct solution used in HP Z-Series workstations to cool the dual Xeon setup.
Question about your build. What type of Noctua fans are you using for the Enermax Radiator? Followup question, "If I wanted equivalent Black colored Noctua 120 mm Fans for my Enermax radiator, what would be your suggestion?" Thanks in advance.
Great in-depth geeky video, thank you sir.
Not a WX 7100, but I love my WX 5100. It's an awesome little workstation card.
You should give the Thermalright Silver Arrow TR4 air cooler a try. I'm using it on my Threadripper 2990wx with great success (and very quiet most of the time) but I have barely heard anyone talk about it yet.
"pink is like support for no vrm cancer" made my day, brilliant.
Maybe try running the rear fan as an intake with the rad at the front, but put two intake fans (one on top and at the bottom like you have it) at low rpm feeding air into the rad exhausting out the front. Just for science 😜
Edit well if you haven’t done this or something similar already lol
These are great computers running a great operating system. I can't wait to see another Linux gaming video from you
Great Job, now all you have to do is 3d print a custom air duct for the vrms and you are done.
what a sick video (and machine) .. well done!
Meshify C can get good temps while still keeping it silent if you go full beQuiet(Dark Rock Pro 4 is more silent than the Noctua coolers).
Of course, On Threadripper is a differnt story.
Is 250 W vs 180 W TDP really that much of a difference to make Noctua insufficient? I'm running a 1950X with Noctua NH-U14S + additional 140 mm Noctua fan in a SilentiumPC Pax M70 Pure Black v2, it's completely silent with fans running at 200-300 RPM and temperatures never rising much above 60°C under heavy load (i.e. recompiling whole system - Gentoo). Compiling Linux takes about 40 s. Even during the summer the noisiest things in my vicinity were my displays' power supply coils.
It's not a Cluster of Threadrippers unless you set them up to work together in a Linux Cluster over 10GB Ethernet ;)
I bet TRIM is NOT enabled for RAID 10.
To remedy the situation I would leave
some un-allocated space in each SSD to
be used as static over-provisioning.
What wireless keyboard is that btw Wendell? i kinda like the look of it. does it have a touchpad too?
you're good people
Love those builds, considering a threadripper upgrade myself and was wondering what my options are, this helped. BTW, once you go Noctua, you never go back. I didn't think a simple fan would make such a big difference, but once I bought one i finally understood why people love them. Now i have 4 of them, lol
the 8b gig version ( per stick) of the crucial stuff will run at like 3000mhtz cl16 no problem if you bump the voltage to 1.35
I also wish fractal would just make a mesh front for the Define S, its the best case for watercooling.
I think Linus should get one of those cabin thunder boxes. Arm 64. 48 threads. Passively cooled.
Question about the R6, with a EATX Mobo (like the MSI Meg/Aorus-Xtrem/Asus Zenith). Is there interference/contact stopping the drive bays from being installed, for 5.25/3.5/2.5 storage (plate forward, hiding the drives from the window side). Can the ATX 24 + 8 pins, Sata data and front panel connectors/cables, still be routed, with out clearance issues? As I'm thinking about an R6 set up (2950X + EATX mobo + 64GB ram) with an optical drive and several 3.5 HDD and a few SSD (+ nvme boot drive). All air cooled and I'm hoping to use this case, but its depends on fit.
A quiet Threadripper needs a huge case and lots of 140mm fans running the lowest RPM.
Great stuff! No longer a fan of the Fatality board though? Also, did you try the aircooler from Noctua with a second 14" fan in push pull?
I made a cardboard fan duct back when I had a Mac 3G Beige desktop. I removed the 300 MHz CPU and replaced it with a 1 GHz chip then overclocked it to 1.18 GHz added a Radeon and some ram. was pretty sick. I tried to get a device that would allow 2 CPUs to connect to one socket, but it was no longer available
Those blokes at Seasonic really know how to make a good PSU. I use X850 in my home server and that thing has been running almost non stop for 6 years.
17:13 It's 68°C after the offset. 95°C is the actual temperature.
Thanks for that good job nice to see Brian's hardware unboxes on your channel there to Wendell those fans on top needed cleaning very dusty
can you create a parts list
Did you use a PCIe m.2 card for the 4 960s? Or did you use a mix of the onboard m2 and a PCIe card.
Oh hey, it's my elementary school "invention" in box form. I made a nylon bag with an opening in the side to strap to a window fan. Surprisingly, it actually kind of helped. But now I'm wondering why I, or my parents, never thought to use cardboard.
A lot of sites can show you how to build a system - but not many offer any configuration ideas - I personally use an nvme for OS ... an nvme for pictures - videos - games and documents - then I back those both up to a couple of velociraptors configured in storage spaces . I put as little as possible on the OS drive and change the OS folder locations to the other nvme . Seems to make sense to me ... LoL :P
I think you should also consider trying out the Silverstone Raven Rv02, it's a bit unorthodox but it has some of the best airflow in any case ever.
Love this video. Very detailed!
I always wait for the pun and then I hit the like button like there's no tomorrow!
There are some problems with the Enermax coolers, unfortunately. Personally a company is off my list for at least 1 generation when they screw up.
Late to the party but recently found you through Gamers Nexus. Personally running a 2950X with a Gigabyte Designare-Ex, G-Skill Flare X and Seasonic Focus Gold Plus, cooled by a BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro TR4 in a Pure Base case. Also got a Fractal Design R6 but that holds an Intel system.
I want to be Linus Torvalds right now.
Sure, being on paid vacation and getting this build for free is attractive. I would take it only with the MSI MEG Creation though. :D
the trick is having a server room next to your work room and running monitor and usb hub to the work room