“Maus” Author: Tennessee School Board Wants "a Kinder, Gentler Holocaust” | Amanpour and Company

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  • @emislive
    @emislive 2 года назад +306

    Maybe someone who sees a characterized depiction of a dead woman as sexual shouldn't be anywhere near children, much less on a school board?

    • @phyllisneal8687
      @phyllisneal8687 2 года назад +17

      Good one ‼️ Bravo!

    • @juancana457
      @juancana457 2 года назад +22

      Because I chose to be a medical professional, it was demanded I hold a valid license, backed by college and clinical experiences.
      Unfortunately these emotional troglodytes are in positions of power. To negate the power of these fatuous cabals, a written exam testing an individual's knowledge of the myriad of disciplines grasped by 'formally' trained educators, at a MASTER'S DEGREE LEVEL seems reasonable. Anyone allowed direct access to the progeny of America must, FIRST, prove their value EMPIRICALLY.

    • @freedomfinder5196
      @freedomfinder5196 2 года назад +12

      Excellent point! Thanks for your comment.

    • @juancana457
      @juancana457 2 года назад +1

      @@freedomfinder5196 Sorry, I don't grasp you're focus?

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +6

      Keep the fascists off the school board!!! In 2009, people in Wake Co, NC were caught napping, so segregationists voted their kind onto the school board to end busing based on income, which served to prevent schools from having too many poor kids, and as a benefit had greater integration getting around the racial/quota issue.

  • @rubberbiscuit99
    @rubberbiscuit99 2 года назад +124

    Speigelman's point about book banners trying to deflect from the real issues is a very important point.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +8

      I think the language and imagery objected to is merely a pretext to remove teaching the Holocaust to 8th graders. If they had voted to replace it with another book approved by educators then it wouldn't have gotten attention.
      There's also the general context that this book isn't by itself, but there's that organization to remove books from libraries too. They came up with the term "cancel culture" with regard to colleges hiring offensive speakers; but now they've decided to use it for their own means.

  • @barbarafogarty7095
    @barbarafogarty7095 2 года назад +143

    I, to this day, remember a book that I read in the 8th grade. It was titled “Hitler and Nazism”. It was on the bookshelf in our classroom, which was a parochial school. I have never forgotten that book. It opened my eyes to cruelty, evil, racism, and mistreatment of others. This book included photographs of piles of nude bodies after being killed in the gas chambers. These bodies were emaciated as well. I thought nothing of the nudity, but the horror of seeing and reading about the holocaust has stayed with me. I am now 70 years old and I never want to see anything like this happen again. Children should learn about the evils that people inflict on others so it never happens again. These stories need to be told to generations!

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +3

      No doubt they don't approve of Schindler's List for the same reason. I think there's a difference between 5th grade and 8th grade where the former might have difficulty with naked corpses.

    • @brendanaderifar2462
      @brendanaderifar2462 2 года назад +5

      Ditto

    • @deborahfedge4272
      @deborahfedge4272 2 года назад +5

      Thank you for sharing.

    • @TeddyBear-cg3lz
      @TeddyBear-cg3lz 2 года назад +17

      If these stories aren't told, then you can have people like the young man who said that there was no WW2 and that is was a "movie." Anyone who believes that these books don't need to be read by their children are doing their children a heinous disservice.

    • @TeddyBear-cg3lz
      @TeddyBear-cg3lz 2 года назад +4

      @@sandal_thong8631 And yet, that's what people did to people.

  • @Koniving
    @Koniving 2 года назад +276

    For fun consider this, last year a teacher shared on Reddit that he was teaching a history class on world war II, and wanted to explore the implications of what would happen if Japan had developed nuclear weapons first. The teacher then shared that a 16-year-old student asked why does this matter, when asked to clarify the student explained that world war II never happened it was just a movie. This was a student who spent most of his time being taught in the state of Texas. To me this gives me an idea of just how screwed our education system is at the moment.

    • @Mike-lv6vs
      @Mike-lv6vs 2 года назад +43

      In Texas and a lot of the south the schools suck.

    • @jopainting1668
      @jopainting1668 2 года назад +67

      The parents don't want the children to be educated because it would shine a light on how uneducated the parents are.

    • @TSidez
      @TSidez 2 года назад +28

      I’m still surprised no one talks about how the Japanese nearly 2xed the holocaust in terms of deaths and it’s almost never taught. Not only that but after their defeat some of their leaders were not held responsible.

    • @pamelaporter4750
      @pamelaporter4750 2 года назад +6

      Koniving, I went to school in TX and graduated from a state supported university. In every history class, we studied both world wars.

    • @pamelaporter4750
      @pamelaporter4750 2 года назад +5

      Koniving, I went to school in TX and graduated from a state supported university. In every history class, we studied both world wars.

  • @spuriustadius5034
    @spuriustadius5034 2 года назад +138

    So refreshing to hear a SANE HUMAN BEING talking sense about this subject.

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      This books are two proposes. First brainswashing American efucation . Secound Zionist lobby are controling education.

    • @dontbefatuousjeffrey2494
      @dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 2 года назад +9

      @@maxwellsimoes238 If you're so worried about education, perhaps start with your own? You know - spelling and grammar basics...

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      Perhaps start with your own basic good manners. Good manners arent you strong suit. Stuck up. Maus is scrap book is it in your brains.

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      @@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 maus rebbirich book.

    • @dontbefatuousjeffrey2494
      @dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 2 года назад +5

      @@maxwellsimoes238 I am at a loss as to what "rebbirich" means. Google certainly doesn't seem to have a clue. You should probably explain that one.
      And someone claiming something as anti-Semitic as "Zionist lobby are controling [sic] education" has no claim to even the comprehension of what good manners are.

  • @yelloweyeball
    @yelloweyeball 2 года назад +82

    He's wearing the vest from the comic lol. In all serious though, this man is a legend and Maus is one of the greatest contribution to the whole graphic medium.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +3

      Good eye. I guess he liked that style from the age of 30 if not sooner.

  • @davidpost428
    @davidpost428 2 года назад +91

    Spiegelman is a great person whose great work has had a lasting effect in raising awareness of the horrors of the Holocaust and of Fascism.

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      He books are conspiring against freedoom education. Branzely liar. Let people thinks is principles education. Books are undermines education demogracy.

    • @kittyday1402
      @kittyday1402 2 года назад +5

      @@maxwellsimoes238 This is NOT correct English.

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      @@kittyday1402 this is not correct book. Book are prison mind american education system. Anti demogratic.

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      @@Lethah thank you but not read maus book .Strong suit arent you good manners. Learning english books good manners .

  • @katherandefy
    @katherandefy 2 года назад +60

    I read MAUS as a child on my own out of curiosity even though none of our schools taught anything about the Holocaust at all. Same goes for the laws of our land concerning civil rights. It was not an important part of school in the 1970s and 1980s. Then I went to college where it was important. So many kids are shocked at the information that parents, teachers, schools, principals, and politicians don’t want us to know. It’s intellectual mothballling. The education is not theirs. It’s the kids’. And they’re robbing and stealing in order to pretend that they own their children. They don’t have the right to their children’s intellectual property.

    • @kimthomas781
      @kimthomas781 2 года назад +3

      Internet comment of the day ☑️☑️☑️☑️☑️

    • @katherandefy
      @katherandefy 2 года назад +2

      High praise 😊

    • @katherinejones850
      @katherinejones850 2 года назад +4

      Very well put! In fact, write a letter to the editor and send to many newspapers! Yes, really! You articulate an important perspective!!

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +5

      I read _Lies My Teacher Told Me,_ revised edition, a dozen years ago, which lamented the poor state of history education, where students have to be re-educated in college history classes. Nothing had changed between editions: Texas rules.

    • @TeddyBear-cg3lz
      @TeddyBear-cg3lz 2 года назад +3

      Thank you for your comments, I agree with you. The sad thing is that the "banners" children will be affected in a very negative way if they don't understand the history of the world and of America.

  • @jopainting1668
    @jopainting1668 2 года назад +130

    The parents don't want the children to be educated because it would shine a light on how uneducated the parents are.

    • @nandayane
      @nandayane 2 года назад +20

      Children are to be seen and not heard. Nothing more disturbing to a small minded parent than a child that is less ignorant than they are.

    • @lindahoganson8721
      @lindahoganson8721 2 года назад +12

      @Jo Painting “… how uneducated the parents are …” and how they are thus complicit in poor decision making.
      This is how Repubs are behaving in their efforts to eliminate the 1/6 Commission and dummy-down the 1/6 insurrection.

    • @jessebianchi2631
      @jessebianchi2631 2 года назад +3

      @@lindahoganson8721 on my msn feed this morning there was a story about drumpfh rewinding "high lights" of the J6 attack. he was delighted with the chaos.

    • @kimthomas781
      @kimthomas781 2 года назад +1

      @@nandayane which is why corporal punishment is so widely accepted. Smh

    • @humanothumqn659
      @humanothumqn659 2 года назад

      And then they shun God lol

  • @r-oxra
    @r-oxra 2 года назад +164

    if anything, the book was more tame than the actual holocaust. my senior year we read this book, and we were more than capable to understand and cope with it.

    • @joralemonvirgincreche
      @joralemonvirgincreche 2 года назад +6

      The book was removed from an 8th grade curriculum - not a high school curriculum.

    • @r-oxra
      @r-oxra 2 года назад +4

      @@joralemonvirgincreche the more you know

    • @lex3729
      @lex3729 2 года назад +24

      @@joralemonvirgincreche The Bible is much more violent, including systemic bodily mutilation, genocide, and slavery, all demanded by a tyrannical God, surely, the school board and the obtuse Moms would not consider banning it, in spite of being the real basis for torture and genocide of millions in it's history. The majority of NAZIS we're either Lutheran or Catholic (Adolph Hitler was Catholic, and demanded that the Pope's birthday be a Nazi holiday).

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      NOW you are controlling this books minds because you was brainswashing cowardly.

    • @jessebianchi2631
      @jessebianchi2631 2 года назад +2

      @@lex3729 yeah, OT yahweh was a was a real sob.

  • @RobinHerzig
    @RobinHerzig 2 года назад +79

    “Moms for Liberty” sounds like a cynical dystopian terminology designed to gaslight. Reminds me of the fascistic mission of “Daughters of the Confederacy” We shouldn't be ignoring this.

    • @christinemccrea4371
      @christinemccrea4371 2 года назад +12

      How about Moms Against the Commodification of Our Children? Or Moms Who Listen to Ratings Systems? I bet all their kids have been playing GTA for years...but Maus is the problem.

    • @kimthomas781
      @kimthomas781 2 года назад +4

      @@christinemccrea4371 exactly 🤬

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +6

      It's part of the Culture Wars. They called it Cancel Culture when students objected to colleges paying speakers to come and tell lies and offensive content. But then they seized on doing it themselves, except they're stopping truth.

    • @ChristianF15cher
      @ChristianF15cher 2 года назад +1

      Save our Children. Which had nothing to do with saving anyones children and had everything to do with The Protocols of the Elder Trump.

    • @robertrobinson6541
      @robertrobinson6541 2 года назад

      Lighten up, Francis.

  • @jrrarglblarg9241
    @jrrarglblarg9241 2 года назад +35

    Depicting WW2 with talking animals IS a kinder, gentler telling of the holocaust. It takes a difficult subject and makes it accessible to younger readers.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +1

      I read Maus as a teen and Maus II as maybe a twenty-year-old. Re-reading it this week, I imagined the animal-head characters as people, and it was more upsetting in some ways at age fifty. Of course there's been _Schindler's List_ and other films to bring images to mind.

    • @wordzmyth
      @wordzmyth 2 года назад +3

      I read animal farm at 12 and it horrified me. The way those in power treated those without power in USSR under Stalin was powerful even disguised as pig and other animals. But it gave me a clear picture of how frightening the fall of communism into totalitarianism was

  • @8Namaste
    @8Namaste 2 года назад +60

    "Maus" becoming a best seller after being banned reminds me of the summer of 1957 when the Catholic Church proclaimed it a mortal sin to see the movie "Baby Doll." I was thirteen that year and my family lived two blocks from the movie theater. The line to buy a ticket stretched those two blocks and around the corner. (Thank you, Art Spiegelman, for writing such an incredible book!)

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      He books are mis information to intent control education system. Zionist lobby are book are brainswashing education as Gestapo.

    • @pt3800
      @pt3800 2 года назад +21

      @@maxwellsimoes238 dude... first of all : your english is awful... next time use Google translator or something alike.
      Second : you clearly do not have the slightest understanding of what the Gestapo was. What you wrote in your crippled english is just stupid from front to end. Gestapo (german shortage for "GEheime STAatsPOlizei"; or secret state police in english) was an executing organ of the state like for example the FBI. What you were maybe looking for was the word "Staats Propaganda Ministerium". The name itself does say it... "ministry of propaganda".
      And before you even start to try to respond. I AM GERMAN!!! And I know german history!

    • @phyllisneal8687
      @phyllisneal8687 2 года назад +2

      @@pt3800 thank you 💞

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      @@opinionsvary first of all. Maus ban are Anti demogratic. Secound. Maus are rubbish giberish. Trird. Zionist lobby in American undermines American freedoom when Zionist perverse self esteem works upon American Rights.

    • @maxwellsimoes238
      @maxwellsimoes238 2 года назад

      Maus are rubbish gibberish book.

  • @the_purple_mage
    @the_purple_mage 2 года назад +43

    "After I have said all this, I am sure you are still ready to respond, in effect, “Yes, yes- but it still remains our right and our responsibility to decide what books our children are going to be made to read in our community.” This is surely so. But it is also true that if you exercise that right and fulfill that responsibility in an ignorant, harsh, un-American manner, then people are entitled to call you bad citizens and fools. Even your own children are entitled to call you that." -- Kurt Vonnegut

  • @AvatarYoda
    @AvatarYoda 2 года назад +25

    Librarian here. All our copies of Maus are checked out, and at least one person has gone through interlibrary loan to get a copy from another library system. This always happens when books or movies are targeted: months-long waiting lists for items that may not have circulated in years.

    • @checkrz
      @checkrz 2 года назад +6

      I can second that as a fellow librarian! We're in the Midwest and it seems like everybody's reading Maus. 😁

    • @mrofftopic2802
      @mrofftopic2802 2 года назад +2

      Some young people might find a way to read it but many others will never experience it because their parents agree with the banning or because their parents aren't really paying attention or because their children will only enter school years later when the controversy has waned...
      It is great that, for now, people are going to loan it from libraries or that it is on Amazon's Best Sellers list again but the nature of the removal is much insidious, don't forget.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 года назад +1

      Yes; Bans can _promote_ literacy.

  • @Darrylx444
    @Darrylx444 2 года назад +80

    We need to teach people how to accept / embrace uncomfortable truths. So much of our information consumption today is self-curated. Thus our assumptions and biases are more likely to be confirmed rather than disputed. We busily build our own echo chambers, rather than ever admit to learning something new.

    • @judykinsman3258
      @judykinsman3258 2 года назад +7

      I love that - uncomfortable truths. Thank you-

    • @kimthomas781
      @kimthomas781 2 года назад +2

      Here here☀️☀️☀️

    • @vinny160
      @vinny160 2 года назад +3

      Indeed...well said!!!

    • @AmanpourandCompany
      @AmanpourandCompany  2 года назад +4

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    • @CBlixk6300
      @CBlixk6300 Год назад

      Honestly I don’t think it’s them uncomfortable they’re not tryin to get misconstrued on what they believe in you can just mention something in history as a fact you get called a racist and a bigot online how do you live in a world where people especially in America wanna cancel for the littlest things especially facts

  • @marilynrich3456
    @marilynrich3456 2 года назад +38

    I read this book a few years ago. I found it to be calm and mild in style. Leon Uris's book "Exodus" published decades ago had much more brutal descriptions of a concentration camp. I was in my early teens and I was startled but not traumatized by starting to realize how evil people could be;

    • @katherinejones850
      @katherinejones850 2 года назад +3

      We have a great many people in in this country in power who are this evil!

    • @TeddyBear-cg3lz
      @TeddyBear-cg3lz 2 года назад +1

      I read "Exodus" shortly after it came out and often couldn't put it down. Leon Uris did a great job as author.

    • @rodrobson903
      @rodrobson903 2 года назад

      @@TeddyBear-cg3lz a stunning read

  • @bonesb7686
    @bonesb7686 2 года назад +30

    The Holocaust was not tame, was not pleasant and was not nice. It was horrific. It was devestatingly tragic. If I had lived it I would have been terrified. All generations need to know that unless we want to relive it. I think anyone age 15 and up needs to be exposed to this history and what led to it.

  • @Happy2BUp
    @Happy2BUp 2 года назад +30

    Having been an educational professional for more than forty years, banning this book is an indication of ignorance gone wild. Mother's for liberty have a failed understanding of liberty. These mother's are an example of truly missing the meaning of education. Perhaps they were asleep when learning the constitutional meaning of "freedom" with responsibility. They missed the words with responsibility. They don't understand seeing a picture and not seeing the scenery. Learning is a powerful "action" word. Hand picking foul words to protect their children does the exact opposite. That is the basic tenet of learning.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +3

      I think it's not about a few words, it's about eliminating the Holocaust from the curriculum. Re-reading Maus II, I found something he said was worth considering: "Maybe EVERYONE has to feel guilty. EVERYONE! FOREVER!"
      You could say that about chattel slavery too, including Blacks descended from those who survived, when many Africans died on the journey. This is totally 180° from what the banners believe: that whites shouldn't feel guilty about slavery, racism, and discrimination that happened "in the past."

    • @leebennett1821
      @leebennett1821 2 года назад

      Personally I as white person I have never once felt Guilty about Chatel Slavery since I have never owned Slaves

  • @Amber90125
    @Amber90125 2 года назад +45

    "Don't join the book burners... Don't be afraid to go in your library and read every book." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

    • @kevinjenner9502
      @kevinjenner9502 2 года назад +2

      And now we have books describing the CIA removal of the democratically elected leaders of Iran (Operation Ajax 1953) and Guatemala (Operation PBSuccess 1954) by Eisenhower, in violation of International Law and the UN Charter

    • @jessebianchi2631
      @jessebianchi2631 2 года назад +4

      @@kevinjenner9502 Ike also warned about the power of the MIC. Presidents have bosses too.
      General Butler wrote War is a Racket telling the truth about his own actions.
      nothing is simple.

    • @kevinjenner9502
      @kevinjenner9502 2 года назад +1

      @@jessebianchi2631 He quite liked the CIA, small, non bureaucratic, and deniable. CIA coups removing democratically elected leaders around the world, as commissioned by sitting US Presidents, in violation of International Law and the UN Charter. Iran (1953, Guatemala (1954) Congo (1960) Dominican Republic (1961) S. Vietnam (1963) Brazil (1964) Chile (1973) etc.

    • @jessebianchi2631
      @jessebianchi2631 2 года назад

      @@kevinjenner9502 nobody's perfect.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 года назад

      But don't feel _compelled_ to read every book. Some are just dreck.

  • @thechronocelebi8394
    @thechronocelebi8394 2 года назад +41

    Just finished the book an hour ago, completely shocked that the school board wanted to banned the book just because.

    • @phyllisneal8687
      @phyllisneal8687 2 года назад +7

      They can't read. That's why they think it's a, "Nekkid lady in a BATHTUB‼️", INSTEAD of a nude woman in a bathtub of blood! IG NERNT!!

    • @otakurocklee
      @otakurocklee 2 года назад

      Book was not "banned". It was removed from the 8th grade curriculum. Much ado about nothing.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +3

      Without a replacement, that restricts the teachers' Holocaust curriculum.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 2 года назад +5

      @@phyllisneal8687 if only that were the case. They’re using this purported eroticism to ban the book for ideological reasons. If it was just a matter of nudity and community standards, maybe there could be a discussion on whether the book was appropriate, but the argument isn’t being brought in good faith. The true intention is to remove material that undermines the performative resentments of white supremacists.

    • @phyllisneal8687
      @phyllisneal8687 2 года назад

      @@otakurocklee FOX NZI NEWZ IS ALIVE AND WELL, IN YOU! ugh🤮

  • @brendasnow8255
    @brendasnow8255 2 года назад +22

    I also read the minutes of the school board meeting; everyone who is interested should. School board members are elected, and that means that there is no requirement that board members be educated or intelligent. In fact, here in Tennessee, judges are elected, so the elections are, basically, popularity contests, especially in rural communities.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +3

      I think I read the final call was unanimous to remove it. Ignorant at best, a nasty backdoor-way to remove the Holocaust from the curriculum.

  • @g.m.fordham9217
    @g.m.fordham9217 2 года назад +14

    Parents unable to reason. What a surprise- that's what you get when public education is not funded for 50 years. Two generations of ignorance

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 года назад

      It was the _professional educators_ who ruled on this, no?

  • @andrewfox1755
    @andrewfox1755 2 года назад +16

    I grew up around WW2 vets. One served with the 82nd Airborne. He helped liberate a concentration camp. My 7th grade history teacher brought in a vet to tell his story of fighting the nazis and his wife. The woman he liberated from a concentration camp.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +4

      That's one of the things kids are advised to do to learn history by the author of _Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong._

  • @mxferro
    @mxferro 2 года назад +20

    Sheltering children from the human body or form... The VERY Body they ,themselves are "encased" within. It's ridiculous.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 года назад

      I might shield them from some forms of the form. Cheers!

  • @leftofleftdebi8123
    @leftofleftdebi8123 2 года назад +16

    I went to school in the 60s and 70s, learning mostly white-washed history. I learned with delight, along with my children and grandchildren a much more diverse history. There is no holding back information in today's modern technological age.

  • @hirazakhan
    @hirazakhan 2 года назад +65

    The board’s foundation is hollow. The probability that an adolescent in Tennessee has not encountered nudity or “profanity” is close to zero.
    Art’s illustration of the discovery of his mother dying from suicide took courage and must have been extremely hard to do.
    I really hope these students discover his work and it’s read much more widely.

    • @lex3729
      @lex3729 2 года назад +4

      They're concerned that it's the wrong kind of nudity or "profanity", not the right kind like they and their friends and fambly from church indulge in. Please pass de strychnine, an' praise de Lawd.

    • @otakurocklee
      @otakurocklee 2 года назад

      They did not "ban" the book. They removed it from the 8th grade curriculum. If they have a policy against nudity or profanity, then they have to be consistent. It was a judgment call on the part of the school board. Not a big deal. Read the book at home. I don't get the hoopla about this.

    • @DrewNorthup
      @DrewNorthup 2 года назад +8

      @@otakurocklee One of the board members asked about several other books on the curriculum which were in violation of the criteria in question. He was told "We're not talking about that right now" (and by implication, won't be any time soon). It was fairly transparent what happened in the meeting minutes that have been made widely available.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +6

      @@DrewNorthup Spiegelman mentioned reading the minutes, so I looked it up. The educators were on the side of the book, and there was no alternative approved book available, thereby constraining the Holocaust curriculum. In this video they mention film and pictures, so it's not the _only_ part of the curriculum, but this was obviously a pretext to stop teaching the Holocaust in future.

    • @DrewNorthup
      @DrewNorthup 2 года назад +4

      @@sandal_thong8631 I'm not sure if you meant to reply to me specifically, but that's what I was getting at. I didn't see the point in saying it outright given the statement my comment was in reply to. Sometimes you just have to push the horse toward water and get out of the way.

  • @sabdullah8076
    @sabdullah8076 2 года назад +23

    The thing is, that should t be a thing, right? Tons of kids experience hardships injustice and prejudice inside and outside of school.... You can't shield them from it.. idk.. ive been black, muslim. and a descendent of the missplaced Cherokee, my whole life. I never had the pleasure of being denied learning about a history of other peoples oppression because I live it. My family lived it. My foreign friends and neighbors, and their parent grandparents... all lived it. Muslim, Jewish, Christian, black, brown, lgbt.... I swear it's only the descendants of the winning side that get to forget that they ruined many peoples lives! How fukced up is it that most of white Amerikka learned about the Tulsa Massacre last year, because of a tv show?!? Who does it help if we don't talk about Miyamar, the Holocaust, chattel slavery, the slaughter of protestant Irish, Tiananmen Square, the Cherokee Trail of tears... all of these are just examples of terrible humans using race to justify selfish, evil, means. If we dont talk about it, HOW THE HELL WILL WE PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN!?!?!?!

    • @katherinejones850
      @katherinejones850 2 года назад +4

      Well said, indeed! Write letters to editors because your perspective must be heard!

    • @kathypiazza7228
      @kathypiazza7228 2 года назад +1

      👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @moestietabarnak
      @moestietabarnak 2 года назад

      specially not an historical tv show, a super-hero show (noir)

  • @deevalerie5857
    @deevalerie5857 2 года назад +21

    Parents only have the right to have control/ "input" in *their own child's* educational needs & choices. As untrained people, they've got no right to tell trained professionals how, or what to teach.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

      That was my original objection to home schooling, before the pandemic. However my friend has a PhD and my cousin has a degree in education, so I think they are qualified to teach kids at home, theirs and others'.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

      @@JourneyWithDrBill Yesterday, I saw a video on Amanpour & Co interviewing a Mormon woman who was homeschooled and didn't know anything about slavery or civil rights until she went to BYU. The topic was affordable college.

  • @triluna0
    @triluna0 2 года назад +17

    I’d gladly give a week’s salary to any school board member, across this country, who can prove that they actually read any of the books that they are demanding to be removed from curriculum. These books include “Catcher in the rye” and “1984”. It appears evident that they are being directed in their outrage by some politically motivated conservative organizations, and or networks. 2 + 2 will never be 5, as long as we continue to speak truths and facts that are not negotiable!

  • @nickanderson412
    @nickanderson412 2 года назад +7

    When books are burned, bodies aren't far behind. And if somebody doesn't want you to know that, you have to ask why.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +1

      They seek a fascist-style takeover where loyalty to the leader is the only ethic worth standing for.

  • @Gardengallivant
    @Gardengallivant 2 года назад +8

    An amazing coincidence, is George Takei said it was taking about their time in the US WWII internment camps that brought them closer as adults. His book is also a graphic novel that tells it from the point of view as a child then in terms of his adult discoveries talking to his father about his views of the same events, that informed George Takei's adult viewpoint.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +2

      I too thought it interesting that 8th grade curriculum moved on to Japanese-American internment camps after the Holocaust. I remember in 7th grade G&T we did dropping the atomic bombs, but I don't remember anything as enlightening in 8th grade.

    • @TheFeldhamster
      @TheFeldhamster 2 года назад +1

      His book is really good.

  • @Shari466
    @Shari466 2 года назад +12

    If schools are going to ban books due to sexual content then I'd say they need to also ban the Bible.

    • @moestietabarnak
      @moestietabarnak 2 года назад

      not for the genocides ? or infanticide ? or incest ? or slavery ?...

  • @kesart8378
    @kesart8378 2 года назад +18

    It's a bloody PUBLIC, government administered school system, not a parents-design-the-curricula system. People who desire to be teachers must matriculate through a teacher education program and pass certification criteria in order to receive their state's accreditation, without which they cannot teach.
    In part, this disingenuous rationalization that "parents should have a say in what their children learn," is part of the death of
    expertise: A majority of Americans no longer trust formerly respected institutions and professionals. This rise of "every opinion is equal; every person an authority," leads to the phenomenon of citizens accepting medical advice from Facebook, or talk show hosts, and savaging doctors who contradict said advice. And it extends to other arenas as we witness ill-informed hyper-emotional parents harangue, threaten and excoriate school board members and teachers in often successful attempts to bend curricula to their political agenda.
    The survival of Democracy depends upon the extent to which its citizens value literacy, compassion and tolerance, equality as a reality, not just a slogan, the worth of harmony and community, and the ascendancy of rationality over superstition. Said citizens must possess the capacity to shuffle off the provincialism that ensnares them in partisan bubbles and renders them little capable of analytical and critical thinking. But this--and Democracy, itself--cannot occur and flourish in contexts in which tribalism, anti-intellectualism, and a disdain for expertise reign.

    • @mr.horrorchild4094
      @mr.horrorchild4094 2 года назад

      Parents should take an interest and voice their opinions about what their children are taught

    • @judithnelson1581
      @judithnelson1581 2 года назад +3

      @@mr.horrorchild4094 Parents should take an interest in what is taught to their children outside of their home, and at home communicate their own knowledge, views, and values to their own children.

    • @mr.horrorchild4094
      @mr.horrorchild4094 2 года назад

      @@judithnelson1581 That would be good

    • @nygrl6102
      @nygrl6102 2 года назад

      Well said.

    • @moestietabarnak
      @moestietabarnak 2 года назад

      @@mr.horrorchild4094 just like homeschooling. These parents are just perpetuating their own ignorance and prejudices.

  • @jansugalski4856
    @jansugalski4856 2 года назад +6

    We are living in a very dangerous time. If you don't believe me, you might live long enough to see it.

  • @Charles37400
    @Charles37400 2 года назад +16

    I watched the footage of the nazi concentration camps used during the Nuremburg trials as evidence for crimes agaisnt humanity. Nothing ive ever seen can compare to the sheer brutality and hatred for a race as what i saw in those recordings. Its so awful and disgusting that it MUST be taught to stop it from ever happening again. Maus does an excellent job of teaching while not being as horrificly grusome as the actual evidence. Banning it was a terrible idea. Now if people want to see what it was really like they dont have a nice slightly distanced story to give them a feel and perspective of the events.
    If you're curious the Nuremberg evidence footage is on the wikepedia page of the trials themselves. Try to find another book that can explain those events accuratley without mentally scarring someone and burning those images into their brain like it did mine. I think maus was a great book to use to teach it. A good balance of reality but not going overboard with realism.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 года назад

      Hardly anyone is incapable of acquiring the book outside of class, or outside of school.

  • @idowanna837
    @idowanna837 2 года назад +12

    When I was in junior high school we got to watch the Holocaust, but before we were able to watch it our parents had to sign a permission slip. Have they done away with those, permission slips? I don't understand what the problem is

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

      I guess it's like sex education: you can't unlearn it.

  • @brendasnow8255
    @brendasnow8255 2 года назад +7

    Such a wise, intelligent man.

  • @freedomfinder5196
    @freedomfinder5196 2 года назад +6

    Thank you for this interview.

  • @Kdanieli238
    @Kdanieli238 2 года назад +2

    A much needed interview. Thank you for highlighting this story. I don't understand how a book about history can be banned. Totally tragic 💔

  • @janandnaomi2000
    @janandnaomi2000 2 года назад +12

    Yes, when books are banned, people are next. Blanking on who said that....

    • @winterlinde5395
      @winterlinde5395 2 года назад +5

      Heinrich Heine, Poet, *1797 in Düsseldorf „Dort wo man Bücher verbrennt...“

    • @euansb7752
      @euansb7752 2 года назад +3

      As Art Spiegelman said in the interview: 'first they burn the books and then next they burn the people'

  • @brucebennett5338
    @brucebennett5338 2 года назад +5

    Respect, Mr. Spiegelman. Respect.

  • @iam3gion204
    @iam3gion204 2 года назад +4

    Recently tried to buy this book and found it’s sold out almost everywhere! Have mine on back order. This is the correct response to this issue.
    Banned books are the best books don’t let them tell you what you can learn

    • @moestietabarnak
      @moestietabarnak 2 года назад

      not all of them, some ban are not about the content of the book but the perception, or the author, so the book themselves are not exceptional.

  • @katherinejones850
    @katherinejones850 2 года назад +5

    GQP doesn’t “get it” to the point that they want to try it here!! WTF?

  • @zackamania6534
    @zackamania6534 2 года назад +3

    I’m a native of East Tennessee. This is a “shonder” and I’m so disgusted by the events taking place in my state. McMinnville IS full of idiots who think Applebee’s is fine dining…

  • @thinkinaboutpolitics
    @thinkinaboutpolitics 2 года назад +14

    Children have a right to an education that trumps a parent's right to control curriculum. Children are not the property of their parents. Of course parents have the right to raise their children. But, their children are future citizens and we all have a stake in allowing for a well-educated citizenry.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +3

      I like what you say. When this came up last year in the VA race, and the Democratic candidate faced uproar, I was thinking of AP classes for college credit that I imagine have to conform to college-level standards, of which parents have no say.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 года назад +1

      Does their right trump _schools'_ rights to 'controlcurriculum'?

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +1

      @@zapazap We live in a democracy, so special interests, like radical parent groups, can influence the school board (or become the school board). The solution is either a court case if they've acted improperly, or the next school board election to restore Holocaust studies.
      Interesting to note that the Scopes Monkey Trial was in TN.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 года назад

      @@sandal_thong8631 Or (tbe ultimate in grass roots democracy) by parents directing the education of their own kids. That is much quicker and, in some senses, easier way for some parents to resolve the immediate issue with there own kids than to lobby to change beauracracy.
      Instead of (or at least prior to) trying to get a train to slow down, getting your kids off the tracks sounds to me like sage advice.
      Cheers! :)

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +1

      @@zapazap Two of the women I know who home school: one is a PhD, the other has a degree in Education, I believe, so both are qualified to teach. Perhaps not so the average soccer mom. I just watched a video from this channel about the high cost of college; the woman speaker was home-schooled and didn't learn about slavery or Civil Rights Movement until she went to BYU.

  • @susannunes6196
    @susannunes6196 2 года назад +5

    Knowing History is the only way to prevent it happening again and now it is more important that children learn it.....

  • @aleejones7508
    @aleejones7508 2 года назад +8

    I remember reading a banned book to my Kinders "The Rabbit's Wedding", check it out and see if you can guess the reason it was banned, Garth Williams drew one rabbit white and one back hmmmmmmmm for those of you not willing to check the book out. Same people different yet same cause

  • @dougn2350
    @dougn2350 2 года назад +4

    Electing school board members is the absolute scariest thing we vote on.
    We know nothing about these people and their agenda and there's almost no way to get information.

  • @nicholasbestevaar6064
    @nicholasbestevaar6064 2 года назад +14

    What a brilliant speaker, and a great interviewer too.

  • @shantishanti2295
    @shantishanti2295 2 года назад +3

    As an Asian American, I am so appalled by all these book banning in school based on false notions and ignorance. I was fortunate enough to have visited Germany and learned about the Holocaust, the horror of the concentration camps. As human beings, we are definitely not perfect, but to ignore or even water down the terrible things that we have done to each other throughout history would be a great disservice to humanity. We need to build compassion and empathy toward each other. I am so grateful to learn about and understand the movement of Black Lives Matter. Ultimately, the movement is about freedom, justice and liberty for all humankind. With that, we should push for a more compassionate, equitable, truly democratic society.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

      There are people who want an opposing view taught to Black Lives Matter. But they're not saying "Black lives don't matter" even if they mean it.

  • @lisanidog8178
    @lisanidog8178 2 года назад +5

    Nudity, profanity and violence this was banned? Wow! And video games where you get points for shooting people is what again? Entertainment! Watching wrestlers and cage fighters making a living beating the crap out of people is called what? Entertainment! Watching an action flick with profanity, nudity with the woman character, blowing up cars, shooting people is called what? Entertainment! The violence of two gladiators fighting to the death was called entertainment! And THIS suddenly gets people riled? Confounding hypocrisy.

  • @leslieb2971
    @leslieb2971 2 года назад +3

    Thank you Art!

  • @crazycatmama2098
    @crazycatmama2098 2 года назад +6

    Here’s hoping kids everywhere push back against this ridiculousness. Go to the library and read the book. Don’t let these people cry freedom and then keep you from educating yourselves about the good and bad that has happened in this world.

    • @mr.horrorchild4094
      @mr.horrorchild4094 2 года назад +3

      Netflix should send copies of Hotel Rwanda to every classroom in the nation

    • @judithnelson1581
      @judithnelson1581 2 года назад

      @@mr.horrorchild4094 In the 1990's Steven Spielberg tried to gift a copy of his film "Schindler's List" to every School District. Sadly, the public school district in Mesa, Arizona (east of Phoenix) turned it down because it was too long, < 4 hours. Also perhaps because it showed lines of scrawny, shivering, naked people in the death camps herded into "sanitation shower rooms" which were really poison gas chambers.

    • @mr.horrorchild4094
      @mr.horrorchild4094 2 года назад

      @@judithnelson1581 Whoa, that sounds awful. I would call something like that the Holocaust and make sure every American teenager read Anne Frank

    • @judithnelson1581
      @judithnelson1581 2 года назад

      @@mr.horrorchild4094 Like in Hotel Rwanda where someone took a risk to save people from death, Oskar Schindler was a businessman in charge of a concentration camp that worked Jewish people to death for manufacturing. He was horrified, and found a way to save a few hundred of those Jews.
      Glad you recognized that the film is a true story from The Holocaust in WWII since I failed to note that.

    • @mr.horrorchild4094
      @mr.horrorchild4094 2 года назад

      @@judithnelson1581 It's really not a problem to correct your oversight

  • @meggallucci5300
    @meggallucci5300 2 года назад +9

    Good interview, as usual.

  • @dollydog1903
    @dollydog1903 2 года назад +3

    So ch an erudite and compassionate man... this author is truly an impressive writer & teacher.

  • @Davao420
    @Davao420 2 года назад +5

    I'm glad it's becoming more popular. it is really one of the best things I've read

  • @FakingANerve
    @FakingANerve 2 года назад +4

    The fact that _Maus_ is not only an Amazon bestseller right now, but is also currently sold out on Amazon is a thin silver lining to this disgusting situation. I hope it gets a new reprint that sells out faster than it can be printed.

  • @lenorevanalstine1219
    @lenorevanalstine1219 2 года назад +4

    the one wanting the book removed had the balls to say that the book would be the same if certain words were removed and the literally single instance of nudity in the book was taken out it would be the same book wich no no it wouldnt be by definition it would not be the same

  • @pjg6019
    @pjg6019 2 года назад +4

    About Whoopi:
    ABC should have had a show dedicated to discussing the holocaust instead of suspending her. Let's talk, not punish.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

      They could have had her sit on stage and not talk, but listen. That would be a teachable moment. Meanwhile on the other side they want to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for someone to demean Blacks with the N-word (the N-word that's not Nuclear).

  • @Corywick
    @Corywick 2 года назад +3

    What has happened to our constitution? Freedom of speech

  • @happytraveller8953
    @happytraveller8953 2 года назад +4

    In an age-appropriate manner??? Are you kidding me? Hey school board members, how do you look a 5-year-old in the eye who is about to be shoved into a crematorium along with the entire family and tell that child in an age-appropriate manner they are about to die and why? Methinks the term 'board of education' is an oxymoron...SMDH...

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +2

      Here in Wake Co, NC segregationists were voted onto the school board in 2009 (partly the pre-2010 response to Barack Obama) when no one was looking. They wanted to end school busing based on student's family's income, which kept there from being poor schools and allowed for more integration too. We found out and voted them out in a future odd-year election, and then someone (Republicans?) changed the terms to be even-year elections.

  • @solmoe
    @solmoe 2 года назад +3

    Absolutely horrifying! Almost couldn’t believe my eyes. Is this really GOP America?? Honestly? Pls answer GOP people! 🇩🇰

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

      It's been a long time since they were ashamed of Watergate.

  • @richardtheweaver4891
    @richardtheweaver4891 2 года назад +2

    Parents' rights is two-edged. I, personally, am offended by the idea that anyone can deny me my rights. Parents' have responsibilities. Children have rights.

  • @therealdeal3672
    @therealdeal3672 2 года назад +4

    If parents were capable of properly educating their children, public schools would have never been devised. Most parents have no clue what curriculum their children should have. They should be listening to the teachers. The teachers want to keep the book in the curriculum. The school board is driven by politics. Remember Fahrenheit 451. One of the most important books ever written. Book banning is unconscionable in a literate society. I like that Spiegelman says he's a first amendment fundamentalist. That Tennessee district needs to put the book back in the curriculum.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 года назад

      Your first statement is made with no argumentative support.
      Cheers! :)

  • @beeragainsthumanity1420
    @beeragainsthumanity1420 2 года назад +7

    You've given them all plenty to talk about at their next Mein Kampf book club meeting.

    • @joralemonvirgincreche
      @joralemonvirgincreche 2 года назад

      The school hasn't stopped teaching the Holocaust - they still have a two month module on it. They will find an alternative book to teach rather than Maus.

    • @lougiacobbi725
      @lougiacobbi725 2 года назад +1

      You shouldn't use Trump's favorite book in that manner.

  • @MariaGarcia-by8yg
    @MariaGarcia-by8yg 2 года назад +4

    💗yes Sir, education is necessary for US🇺🇸 alllll some of US do not even know what happened when the US🇺🇸 also hurt Jews, entire families all trying to get to safety when they needed help! This makes me cry. We need to l💗ve one another.

  • @HeyMJ.
    @HeyMJ. 2 года назад +9

    Pride & Prejudice, 1984, Tale of Two Cities.. dictionaries & thesauruses… 📚

  • @brendanaderifar2462
    @brendanaderifar2462 2 года назад +2

    I'm 70 now. When l was about 9or10, l asked my mother who was Hitler and what the Holocaust was. She gave me very vague answers like he was a bad man and killed a lot of good people. By the time l was in middle school l had read the book Mien kaump and l continued to explore this subject through out my life as her answer spurned me on. I still have a difficult time trying to wrap my head heart mind soul and spirit around it. So see, by ignoring these things, doesn't make it any less of what was. Steven Spielberg felt moved to produce his masterpiece Schindler's List do that this wouldn't be ignored as a teaching tool for humanity. To ignore the truth to our future leaders is quite possible to set them up for failure. Would it be best to let them go on line and learn from anti human types such as the still Nazi society's . I don't think so but it's only my opinion. I can assertion this horrible thing happening again. It's the stuff of nightmares.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +1

      There are those who deny the Holocaust because they think it will undermine Israel's right to exist, by eliminating sympathy for survivors and their offspring. And they perhaps want a new Holocaust, too.

  • @MsUtuber2
    @MsUtuber2 2 года назад +4

    Great interview! Thank you.

  • @martinlye2748
    @martinlye2748 2 года назад +4

    In Pickering, Canada my daughter presented holocaust stuff that the teacher did not know. I donated that book.

  • @chrisl418
    @chrisl418 2 года назад +2

    Mr. Speigelman, thank you for telling your story. I will find and read your book, just as I have gone to the Washington DC Holocaust museum once on my own and once with my then 21 year-old son (who chose that museum out of all the other historical museums for a class assignment), and listened to interviews by survivors and watched documentaries on this subject, and read many books on this subject. Trying to understand how this could have occured is a delving into the mysteries of the human mind. It cannot be understood. Knowing that it did and what led up to it, how it was perpetrated, tolerated by those not experiencing it, by either witnessing it or getting news through word of mouth, radio or tv is much more is more important. We cannot prevent the horrific events of the Holocaust from happening again without knowing what actually transpired. It is not ancient history. You can find many examples in the world right now where one group of people, defined as 'other', is being subjugated, imprisoned, 'disappeared' (and yes, abused, tortured and murdered). The way to stop it is to bring it to light, fight through opposition and hope there are enough morally conscious others who cannot ignore or deny the inhumane treatment of another human being.

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

      I learned recently Nazis got the idea from the Jim Crow South, but their notion of 1 drop of blood was too extreme for them, so I think they said if one of your 4 grandparents were Jewish then you were an undesirable. Makes me think what if the Republicans didn't turn their back on Reconstruction and it kept going. Would there be no Holocaust?

  • @nobody8328
    @nobody8328 2 года назад +3

    Show me a person who has read a thousand books, and you give me an interesting companion.
    Show me a man who has read only one and you give me a dangerous enemy indeed

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +1

      A barbarian reads no books, a fanatic reads but one.

  • @edh7071
    @edh7071 2 года назад +2

    I was 10 yrs old when I learned about racial and religious prejudice. (I'm 73 now.) I was absolutely gobsmacked! I couldn't understand why people would dislike other people because of different skin color, different religion, different nationality, different anything. I still don't understand. I don't think I ever will. (Although, to be honest, I used to say that the only people I was prejudiced against were prejudiced people.)

  • @TeddyBear-cg3lz
    @TeddyBear-cg3lz 2 года назад +2

    There was nothing "kind and gentle" about the Holocaust inflicted on the people of Germany and the countries that Hitler overran during WW2. As a result of the fascism which Hitler and his army and government practiced, 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust in WW2. Between 70 million and 85 million people died worldwide as a result of WW2.
    When I was in high school in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada; for Grade 11 and 12 (I graduated in 1960), I became friends with Johnny who was 2 years behind me. Johnny was born in Nazi, Germany, during WW2 and his parents, who were Jewish, were able to escape Germany and move to Canada after the war. Johnny's experience living with fascism had a huge negative impact on him.
    I find it disgraceful that a Tennessee school board would would ban "Maus." Fascism is anti-democracy and is not a pretty sight. Millions of people around the world have died as a result of living in fascist countries. We all need to do our part to ensure that the fascism that has grown in the United States of America since WW2 is eliminated. The paradox is that Americans fought WW2 to defeat fascism.
    President Trump engaged in insurrection and sedition against the United States of America through the attack on The Capitol on January 6, 2021. The failure of the Tennessee school Board to allow students to learn the full impact of the book "Maus" is a sad reflection on the lack of understanding that the Tennessee school Board members demonstrated by banning "Maus." Their souls and their students will pay a steep price for banning the book.

  • @crazycatmama2098
    @crazycatmama2098 2 года назад +4

    Kids can find worse things on the internet.

    • @mr.horrorchild4094
      @mr.horrorchild4094 2 года назад

      Unless it's certain Joe Rogan podcasts because those have already been removed from Spotify

  • @katherinejones850
    @katherinejones850 2 года назад +4

    After reading some of these heartfelt, personal stories and observations, is it any wonder mental illness is a big problem in this sick country which I am coming to despise! Money & white male supremacy ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVERYTHING ELSE dammit to hell!!

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад

      Banning women's studies are on the list of fascist-tactics to seize and use power.

  • @voraciousreader3341
    @voraciousreader3341 Год назад

    This is _such_ an important conversation, which I really appreciate! Books have always surrounded me, and I cannot bear it when they’re banned. My mother was an elementary school librarian who never took my older brothers’ and sisters’ books away from my reach and reading, “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee,” when I was 11 or 12 greatly upset me. But it was absolutely critical to my view of race, gender, and ethnicity issues as well as the very honest way I’ve looked at my country since then, with a strong need for justice….it was the time of Watergate, when I watched the hearings on TV, something I perhaps wouldn’t have done had I not read that incredible book. We must at times “shock” kids a bit in order for them to develop empathy and critical thinking skills, so that they perhaps can fight against hypocrisy and assaults to our freedoms.

  • @muma8207
    @muma8207 2 года назад +2

    No books that describe reality ... reality! But guns ... no problem. Really?

  • @djdollase
    @djdollase 2 года назад +1

    What a great, wise and compassionate man. I hope he makes a buttload of $$ off the book burners!

  • @susanfritzel4055
    @susanfritzel4055 2 года назад +3

    Don’t forget Rwandas genocide also mans humanity to man also racism

  • @GhostOnTheHalfShell
    @GhostOnTheHalfShell 2 года назад +2

    Ethics and religion are really very distinct.

  • @juliegogo2941
    @juliegogo2941 2 года назад +1

    Reality is best. But you are correct that young peoples nervous systems develop differently. My brain kicked at 19. While in college I helped take care of a DP from Poland and his wife was in a concentration camp....orthdox..I learned how to keep a kosher kitchen etc. It is truly tragic...All genocides. I am amazed how people reframe the REAL reality.. My community raised the neonazi leader unfortunately. He is banned I think from the EU now......Thanks

  • @kimfuselier324
    @kimfuselier324 2 года назад +2

    It’s funny the book that bothered my daughter the most was Mark Twain Huckleberry Finn

  • @RawJewel
    @RawJewel 2 года назад +1

    Maus is on back order on all sites. The more propaganda around banning books, the greater the demand for the book!

  • @SockTaters
    @SockTaters 2 года назад +4

    You read about the Holocaust and it's the bad words that offend you???

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +2

      I think it's a pretext; their real intent is to eliminate Holocaust studies, because they didn't have a replacement book available for approval.

  • @katmandudawn8417
    @katmandudawn8417 2 года назад +2

    Parents who want control their children’s education are free to home school. That way their warped and small minded comfort zone will only be harming their own child.
    Of course, they will have to be accountable to state home schooling requirements but it will give the parents the feeling of being in control.
    A few families might want to take it even farther by having home births and never registering that the kids exist. That would sure free things up for ultimate parental control.
    Locking the kids in the attic or such will guarantee they won’t know a damn thing about reality when they ultimately have to navigate the world. Right, Mr. and Mrs. Turpin?
    But sure, their parents can rest easy that they were able to impose their beliefs on their children, (at least for a while).

  • @jlocey87
    @jlocey87 2 года назад +1

    Has these "darlings" not seen what goes on, on TV... They play horrify "games" of shoot em up, & so on. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

  • @LGrian
    @LGrian 2 года назад +1

    Excellent interview. Appreciated his insight on Whoopi Goldberg’s error too, and how we can best respond to and see positive change in people when they make such mistakes

  • @Kirke182
    @Kirke182 2 года назад +2

    When you learn about something rotten that "your" people did in the last war or during a riot, sure, you feel shame because you are of their background and culture and genetics and all that--but it's good to encounter that and it's good to have that reaction because it means you are someone with character and ethics. You become more resolved never to allow "your" people to do anything like that again. It is "good for the soul" as they say. When you shield your children from these soul-searching moments, you deprive them of the ability to know the consequences of their actions until it is too late.

  • @originaltigeress
    @originaltigeress 2 года назад +1

    In my opinion, in a democracy, books should never be banned. People should never stop learning. The GOP has done a great deal of damage in the past reinventing history, but this recent disrespect of teachers and of the fallen soldiers in World War ll and Vietnam claiming it never happened is unconscionable. Is it no wonder that schools are losing good teachers. Let the parents decide what is best for their children--not the rich politician, not the church, not the fundamentalist preachers.

  • @MrMeteor1960
    @MrMeteor1960 2 года назад +3

    The discussions and ideas that books like MUAS generate, as well news stories such as this, are important and healthy for any free & democratic society that faces the challenges as we do currently. BUT i think its a shame and a disservice to society when media falsely frames an issue like this one. MUAS was not “banned” it was taken off the curriculum. Big difference. I’m not wanting to diminish the importance of these issues, and i like this program but it weakens just cause when misrepresenting the context. When some other school board changes their curriculum by removing a book from its list, are they BANNING the book? This may not be the best battle to pick over this but I want better from my media. Especially in these dark days

    • @RobinHerzig
      @RobinHerzig 2 года назад +3

      Semantics aside, I think the importance of this unfortunate trend is pretty significant. Discussion + exposure to what's happening here is not so different than the threat of banned books in the literal sense. btw Isaacson does say ‘remove from the curricula’ and that parents can read it to their kids at home

    • @judithnelson1581
      @judithnelson1581 2 года назад +1

      I don't understand why you think this wasn't a ban. Taking it out of the curriculum is banning it from the classroom. It is a limited ban.
      Definition - officially prohibit or forbid. The school board members are (elected) officials. They forbid teachers to use Maus in their classes.

    • @lex3729
      @lex3729 2 года назад +2

      Muas? MUAS??????

    • @MrMeteor1960
      @MrMeteor1960 2 года назад

      @@lex3729 Covid brain? Sorry 😣

    • @otakurocklee
      @otakurocklee 2 года назад

      @@judithnelson1581 So you're saying everytime they change the 8th grade curriculum by removing or replacing a book, they are engaged in "banning" ? Come on... that's ridiculous.

  • @nonsibi1087
    @nonsibi1087 2 года назад

    As a former town school committee member, in my rural New England community, I so VERY MUCH AGREE with Spiegelman that school committee candidates be required to have formal education credentials from accredited higher education institutions. To be appointed and/or elected to most other committees, such as finance & natural resources, required demonstrated competencies. NOT SO SCHOOL COMMITTEE. I was the only committee member who had been a classroom teacher and was certified. Without competency requirements, little could be done by a committee of amateurs, some of whom used it as an opening to higher town office. Others ran, and won, on a platform of reducing tax payer burdens by slashing educational support. The result was chaos with the students mostly suffering and the town diminished by families & teachers leaving the school district and going elsewhere.

  • @troygaspard6732
    @troygaspard6732 2 года назад +1

    For Gen Xs, like myself, Maus is the Holocaust novel of our time. It should be in all public school libraries.

    • @notataco4203
      @notataco4203 2 года назад

      Yeah would argue that it should not be in elementary but middle school is okay suicide and other harsh subject should not be in elementary but yea it’s a good book

  • @kathypiazza7228
    @kathypiazza7228 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing this!

  • @jeffwisener1378
    @jeffwisener1378 2 года назад +1

    Tax churches!!!

  • @annsanse2935
    @annsanse2935 2 года назад +2

    the maus that roared.

  • @gracevalentine1666
    @gracevalentine1666 2 года назад

    I taught in Hobbs, NM. The text anthology included “Captain my Captain” which when I introduced it the students they got nervous and told me “they don’t teach about that here.” And I was called a racist by HR when it got to central office that I’d tried to teach Walt Whitman.

  • @lisanidog8178
    @lisanidog8178 2 года назад +2

    Parents having say in terms of sanitizing things no they shouldn't! People use the B word a lot when they're mad at a girl. If parents want a say they sure as heck don't teach respect that should be shown to women to their kids that sons must never use the word and that their daughters must never accept it being said. Kids use profanity all the time thinking that's so cool. If parents want a say don't use profanity yourself and don't tolerate your kids using it. Nudity? We treat women as sex objects and it doesn't raise an eyebrow strangely. If parents want a say they should teach their kids that girls and women are to be respected and that daughters don't need to show nudity to attract anyone. Parents should have a say in not allowing their kids to be ignorant!

  • @dividedconquered3784
    @dividedconquered3784 2 года назад +1

    Books are my 💚. Look at all his books 😍!

    • @sandal_thong8631
      @sandal_thong8631 2 года назад +1

      I wouldn't have thought a cartoonist would have normal-sized books, but rather art or coffee-table books like his _In the Shadow of No Towers._