Transducer leveling for best Si and Di
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- It has been brought to my attention that I forgot to mention the coins need to be in the same location on the water and in the shop........ Thanks for watching.
This is how I level a transducer for the best possible Si and Di images. This is a must if you want good images from your new unit. There have been so many times folks have come to me with bad images and this has fixed it.
I’ve had issues with my transducer for yrs. this was the best video I’ve seen & that worked. I would like to say thanks a million.
I would also add that if you're going to do this, make sure your boat is loaded out how you normally would have it loaded and I'd run about half a tank, that way whether you got a full tank or low tank, the margin of error will be small. Most guys already have their boats loaded up but I know a lot of guys that will take their boat out with very little just because they're excited about their new purchase. Great video!
Thanks for the setup info. I thought my HDS was working well until I used your video to fine tune it. It really made a difference! Thanks for the help!!!
Glad it helped.....
wow.... this was educational.. love the scientific approach of analyzing the boat at performance and then at shop.
make sure the coins are at the exact same location on base of level!
Thank you Sir i just purchased lowrance hook2 tripleshot with that long transducer and that was my biggest concern.Perfect thank you s
o much. God Bless and safe boating.
Appreciate the tip. It is also important to put the change under the level at the same spot. I plan to line mine up so it is even with the back of the level. Pretty sure mine is too far down since it looks level when trailering.
Thanx for the video. That's a great, simple technique that was very helpful!
Your Welcome
So get the lean the same as in the water in gear at idle then level the transducer. Clear simple concise and accurate. Thanks.
quiet possibly the best informative video on youtube for fishermen. I appreciate your time and knowledge for making this video. Thank you!
Did this on my bass boat ! Everything works perfect !! Great video and much appreciated!!
John what brand are you running and are your images crisp after making the adjustment?
@@TX_Nupe lowrance hds-9 two units ! They seem good ! Deeper water 10 ft and more they are very clear ! Any unit in real shallow isnt very clear ! Especially side images!
If that's your ??
I"m mounting mine this weekend. Thank you so much for the video. Very helpful
Glad it could be helpful to you.
Thanks for the info! I used a phone app that measures angles down to the tenth of a degree. I found it a little easier than using the coins and a level.
I have used my phone also but didn't want to be responsible for someone loosing a phone.... lol
Dustin Dragotta what app?
ThunderCoopersmith Bubble Level on Android
So if using a phone level, my boat is at a -5 degree angle, the ducer will be at a +5 degree angle when setting it?
Thank you so much for showing the whole steps.
Straightforward and works.
Than you! Just finished my install and this was super easy!
Awesome advice....I'll keep the change!! :)
Adjusted my transducer using your method. Transducer looks somewhat high on the trailing end. We had a Garmin Echomap 94SV installed. Great features but so far the Side scanning is totally garbage. Have had a variety of comments good and bad on Facebook by others who own this unit. Several said it works great and all kinds of detail. The detail I'm getting is basically no detail just garbage screens. Garmin Support had me change a few settings and move the transducer cable. I possibly have interference to the transducer cable. I also bought a Ferrite Coil that clamps on the cable. Not sure if that will do it. I know it will help to have the transducer at the right angle. Never had any of these problems with our 2009 Humminbird unit.
Bob I'm afraid Garmin has a long way to go in the Di/Si imaging before they are close to the others. I have run them all and Humminbird is the best Si with a dead heat on the Di screen between Lowrance and
Humminbird. Garmin is bringing up the rear and has almost been lapped. I have no issues with Garmin and the Panoptix is interesting but I can't recommend them at this time.
Pickwick Marine Electronics I actually have told Garmin and the shop I got our Garmin from that even on a bad day the Humminbird Side Imaging is way better. No replies back.
I commented to Garmin Support person after being told my screen shots looked normal, that even on a bad day our 2009 Humminbird did a way better job of side imaging. Garmin has some great features but I'm disappointed with the Side imaging. One Garmin feature I wish all manufacturers would do. I bought a Garmin lake map. I had to use a Garmin application to logon and register the card. Then I got the option to copy the map to a Mini SD card. I took the 32GB card out of my unit and copied to it. Afterwards I was able to use all my built in map, Lake map, recorded maps all off the same card. No switching cards. That is a really great feature. I can leave the card I bought at home and use it later if I had to. I would like to see better side imaging and a few things improved still.
Super helpful. Thank you!
Got both transducers on the boat. Works pretty good. The 2D Sonar works fine when trolling etc. On plane seems to fad out but still visible. I think a strake on the bottom of the boat might be causing that. I moved the 2D transducer over farther and remounted. I tried to get half of the transducer below the bottom of the boat. Also level with the bottom of the boat. The Si is adjusted for the level of the boat while trolling. That seems to be perfect. Any advice on the 2D what should the angle be and half ways below the bottom of the boat on the low side of the transducer. The bottom of the boat is flat in the center and then angled up to each side. I have a fiber transducer plate.
Very good idea I just got two helix sevens. Should help during install. Being from Ohio have to wait awhile.
Very helpful, thank you sir!
Your welcome......
Nice good tips man
Well done..
I'm not understanding this concept. The level deal with the pocket change to get level I get. But how does that get your transducer level?
I didn't see you putting penny's on the transducer or adjusting it with penny's or a the penny's.
Great info and by using this method it has given me better quality down imaging and 2d returns
Glad it helped
Awesome common sense info that I wouldn't have thought of myself. Thanks for the video thumbs up!
My boat it's low in neutral in the back under speed I use the trim to bring the nose down. Now when I'm using your method scanning for fish 2 or 3 miles an hour do I want my trim all the way down to have the bow down in the water for me any other way with the trim my nose of the boat will stick up high at low speed
I put mine on the left side of the boat
Does it make a difference on what side
I've got a helix 9 si kvd that is reading blank and won't show trees, rocks, etc. will only show depth shading when going over a point or when the depth changes. Transducer is mounted level with the ground not the boat so hoping this solves my issue!
Will It matter if I use Canadian coins? They are allot lighter than American coins
Does this method help on a small 12-13 foot inflatable which is going to have its level affected by even small ocean chop or swell, any recommendations for small boats or is it not an issue for SI quality in your experience? I have a Helix8 G3N mega+.
I would level it as you would normally run it. It's not much different than most boats as loads and conditions change almost every trip. The Helix 8 is the best "bang for the buck" unit on the market of any brand out there.
Perfect idea.! thanks a lot.!!!!
I've seen people break in cars for less change than that--great video. SO- I guess this is about getting the transducer parallel with the gunnells? I see how many coins it takes to get that level (on the sides) and then I mount the transducer at the same angle? I need to rewatch the video. The little and big lowrance xducers are adjustable right? So when I get the boat in the water I can make small adjustments? thank you!!
Mark this is so the transducer runs parallel to the waters surface at idle. Watch the video again and if you still have questions just let me know.
Does that transducer read when underway? High speed?
thank you
Its a great tip, but the conditions on the water could vary greatly depending on weight distribution, fuel in the tank, etc. How do you compensate...or is it still just an "in the ball park" adjustment?
I have found the "front/back leveling is the most important when it comes to clear images. In my measurements on different boats and loads it really doesn't change much. The tendency for the boat to lean left/right is more pronounced and not much can be done about that. There is a video of a bracket a guy in Australia that made a bracket with a simple left/right adjustment. It was a well thought out and made design but he had no intentions of selling them. It was also fairly large and would be a tough sell to most folks.
FWIW I have found that on the majority of boats about a 4 degree tilt to the boat with the transducer set at level produces good images.
Awesome video. Thanks so much. I take it when you’re back at the shop and you’ve tilted your trailer to get the bubble in the middle, you walk back and put the level on the transducer, you want to adjust your transducer up until the bubbles in the middle? Thanks again
Yes sir! Thanks for the comment.
great vid thank you!
Glad you like it.
I would have love to see the before and after sonar images. A petty you didn`t film that. Still a good video though, thanks!
That would have been a good idea . I would say if you are within 1-3 degrees you would be fine. This is just a way to get the last tweak out of a unit.
So since your Lowrance ducer was too far down in the garage, what did you end up doing to raise it up a little to match what the attitude of boat is in the water?
Kevin that's been so long ago I don't remember.
@@pickwickmarineelectronics1019 Ok thanks for replying. Still learned a lot.
Thanks. This is very helpful
Good job!
Will this work for at speed and just trolling for 2d ( straight down? My front Lowrance shows correct depth while the one I. The back just says 5’ and does not change
Good video. But is this only relevant for 'prospecting' at slow speed/idle?
I wonder if adjusted this way, the change in the angle when planning at speed may interfere with the depth readout!
David it will cause the loss of high speed readings in most cases. Since Si came out the best way to mount these units is with a y-cable, the Si transducer and a 2d high speed transducer if mounted externally. If on a glass boat use a bilge mount 2d transducer.
Thanks very much for info. Not running s/s right now. But know what I have to do when I upgrade system.
However I can fit a once redundant unit for depth purposes only and therefor, would you suggest your method for traditional sonar and downscan. I have a Lowrance 83/200/455/800 transom mount?
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated
Sorry I didn't see your question earlier. I'm honestly not sure what it would change on Di units. I haven't thought about it before. I can't see where it would make it worse though :-)
My error. I had already replied to your previous answer. But thanks anyway
Wow! Genius! Thanks a ton.
what a great video! you guys rock
+Christopher Parker
Thanks!
+Pickwick Marine Electronics It appears that the humminbird hdsi is on left side. have you had any issues running transducer on the left of motor?
+Christopher Parker
I actually have 5 transducers on the rear when doing demos. If you make sure the transducer bottoms are reasonably even with each other it works fine.
When you say the ducer is going to look high in the back when on the trailer, are you saying the back as in the end closest to transom? Also how important is perfect level from side to side for proper function. Thanks!
+Corbin Beamer
The rear of the transducer farthest from the transom will look high. In fact most folks look very skeptical when they see how high it looks when they pick up their boat.
Side to side is important also but its a tough call for most folks. If you set it for just a single person in the boat it will be off when two folks are in the boat. My advice is to set it for the fishing you do most.
I find that the level from side to side REALLY makes a difference when it comes to side imaging so the imaging is pretty equal on both side of the water column. If you are not near a bank and in a good relatively flat area you have 1 side that goes out nicely to 100' but the other side fades out after well say 60' you may need to try leveling your transducer left or right
That is true but it's the toughest one to handle. On many boats it changes a lot depending on how many folks are on board.
Nice video. Thanks...also, what ram mount is that?
That is a mount made by Cisco fishing. One of the mounts I sell the most of.
What base is that transducer mounter to?
First off Great idea! Thanks for sharing! I have a Lowrance Elite TI, with total scan transducer, do you know if using this method to adjust the pitch on my transducer to get a better si image will it effect the 2D image at greater speeds?
It will make a difference in all Si units. Be aware that the TI is a very good unit but the Lowrance Si has limitations with distance. It all depends on bottom composition. I see max usable range on the Lss2 transducer and the totalscan (Ti unit) of 50-60 feet in some soft bottom areas of lakes. The max I think is usable is about 100ft or so. I think the Ti with the total scan does a better job than the Gen 3 with Lss2 transducer. My opinion of course but I have run them side by side on the same targets.
Pickwick Marine Electronics very cool thank you!
Great video
Thanks
Hi tx for the vid, how did it work in front of the prop? I have a 74 searay with a 351 inboard - installed it where ive done it before (about 10 inches to the starboard side of motor (between the side trim flap) and leveled it on both axis - i use a straight strip of wood flat underneath the hull backwards to get a line of the water direction too and line the transdicers nose right in the center of it -
Just curious how it works infront of the prop - mine stops getting a signal at about 8mph and i have a rooster tail at plane. previous one i did worked 100% - this one not so :p
I don't have experience installing on inboard boats so anything I say would almost be a guess.
Pickwick Marine Electronics thanks yeah I think mines too deep. getting a rooster tail and its cutting out after 6mph..
by myself in 16 foot bass tracker it leans right. i know i should adjust for this but when someone is with me it levels out. quandry lol
That is an issue I struggle with on every install. Even a 21ft Ranger has lean when a person is by themselves. Unless a person tells me they never fish with a partner I just set the transducer level and let it go. In actual use the front/back ls the most important.
t y very much i mounted the plastic board on it so i can make adjustments
There is actually a company in New Zealand that makes a bracket with a quick release adjustment for left/right. I reached out to them but they are very small and have no plans to mass produce them. There are just to many styles of boat transoms to configure for.
I have a totalscan tranducer for a elite 9ti on my 2012 Carolina skiff dlv and di,sonar and si looks great at idle but anything above 10-15mph it loses depth.
Make sur that the transducer is mounted at least 1/2" below the transom and away from any chines that may cause turbulence
Thanks for the video!!!!
Your welcome
I have a tiller outboard and move to the front and use my trolling motor so that is 180 # moving to the front of my 14 ft Jon.Your saying this would work for me?Where should I check level ?Should I check with me in the middle of boat since I use sonar from the back and front at times and move my unit with me, but transducer is on transom?thanks
Since this mainly involves helping clear up the SI I would set it from the rear. If you are only using one transducer there may have to be some adjustment so that it works well at speed.
I do not have side imaging.Will this still help with DI and traditional sonar?Also, are you familiar with Lowrance Elite 7 chirp machines?Been having issues with the screen freezing.Not sure if that means it looses bottom or what?I actually got a replacement unit and transducer and have same issue.Heard of others with these having same issue.
I'm not familiar with the Elite machines. If the screen keeps freezing I would check the power supply. Make sure you have good connections straight to the battery and fused on the positive side.
Leveling a transducer isn't as important with the Di/2d machines but it sure won't hurt.
ok-I tried two different batteries and same results.Fused on positive.
You may have to call Lowrance on this one then. Just be warned it can take a long time to get a unit back from them.
Do you use both transducers at the same time? If so do they work well? Ie how is the interference?
I do but there is interference. If I want to use both I set them to different frequencies. Even then there will be some interference. I have found that some interference bothers the fisherman more than the units.
I did this and got air bubbles under the transducer that it did work!
awesome video!
I've been looking at SI electronics and im not sure which to choose. Which one in your opinion would have be the best for around 1000 bucks. so many choices and so many opinions from people that dont know much about the subject online
Jeff sorry I missed your question. I would give the Helix 9 mega a look at that price. It may be a little more but its a good unit.
what kind of transducer mount is that?
Brock Redecker its a Sternmate.
Thanks!
Your welcome
My 2 in 1 is installed on my pad so I’m screwed
The best yet thanks
count your change!
how do I do this on a Jon boat/ semi v
John just find something flat to set the level on. I did a boat last weekend and we set the level on the bench seat. Mark the location front/back with tape and go from there.
@@pickwickmarineelectronics1019 thank you sir
keep the chonge
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Those coins look huge! Is it because tiny hands?
Stupid useless comment...
Skip all the change and just buy an angle finder. 4$ at harbor freight. It's much less aggravating.
Dont use any of that, get a 6 foot level, and actually be accurate.
Much easier to use the level on you cell phone
Glad I youtubed this before driling holes in my boat.
How do I level it if I want to use it at above trolling speeds, as well as at trolling speed? Or do you get one speed or the other?
I could be wrong but I believe side imaging works best between something like 1-4mph so I think that's what its geard towards
My new idea is to gorilla glue it so it wont come loose yes
Would you happen to have a way to install a transducer on a minnkota PowerDrive? I put one on but I’ll really have to watch the cabling... my ol Terrova had a groove to run the cable through but this one doesn’t... thanks and great video!
I use a product from Cornfield Crappie. Give them a call, great folks.
The first time I tried this I purchased a small level that measures the angle in degrees from horizontal when you level it out ,so you just record the offset and then replicate the angle back on dryland. Most recently, I simply set the trolling motor on auto pilot\or have a buddy navigate for you and take your transduce in the mount and hold it against the transom and adjust the angle so its level with the surface of the water, then tilt it down just a tad to minimize cavitation if you want it to still work at higher speeds. I also installed an adjustable transducer holder to I can infinitley adjust the vertical depth of the transducer to find the exact best verticle depth for the type of performance you want. ie eliminate rooster tails, improve high speed readings or slow troll. and you can change it any time and raise it out of the way to protect it
I am having one hell of a time with mine on a flat bottom boat. I have a blazer as 1856. Is there anyway I can get a hold of you via telephone?
That’s about the complete opposite way to how I’d set it up!
Ripper video with real life how to, thanks for sharing it with us, this will finish off my install nicely.
Cheers.
What about side to side level? Not just front to back
Joe not much you can do about that unless you always fish by yourself or a partner. In those cases you can adjust for it.
I spent greatly for a helix 10 for DI and SI. I also installed a new 360 Humminbird. The 2D sonar is beautiful. The rest of it really sucks, and even after buying cue cards from the Technological Angler, I can't get it adjusted. My marina (very experienced) installed my transducer on my bass tracker on the upper step right beside my speedometer mount. Is my problem because of too much turbulence? Should I move there transducer down to the indented step of the transducer? Can you advise me here? Thank you.
Ezra if you do Facebook send me a message at Pickwick Marine Electronics and I'll see what I can do.
cool trick ! Thanks
Thanks. Installing a new Lowrance side imager tomorrow.
I like it...
Much easier to use the level on you cell phone
Great demo and explanation. Looking forward to doing this week. Thank you!
Shouldn't you use the coins on the tranducer also ?
No Pennies on a Aluminum Boat!!!! BAD!!!!
Why no pennies?
Battery aka Disimular metal will eat a round hole in a boat. I leave My pennies on the counter. You should too as well as tell your friends to empty out the pennies from their pockets as well; If you have a Aluminum Boat. Clorox Bottle boats have no issues.
@@goatram1 it for temporary use only.
@@jameswahlstrom7262 use a dimes, or nickels not pennies. If you drop one into the bilge and leave it; you get a hole. But do what you want. My boat you leave the dang pennies on the dock.
I leave the boat moored for the summer.
So that tells me how to find out if it is level, but how do I LEVEL it?
My question exactly
Thanks for the video. Very informative and easy to understand. I'm getting ready to install my Humminbird Helix 7 SI and will definitely use this tip.
Glad it helped
Nice thanks👍
Great tip - thanks!
thanks great tip...
This makes cents 😮
What about left to right?
Excellent video and great tip !!
Thanks for sharing.
Your Welcome
I have a Tracker 195 TXW. Currently my transducer is mounted on the lower portion of transom but I feel like it needs to be a little higher. Can transducer be mounted on upper part of transom ?
Well i just got off the water and used 7 quarters to get the bubble leveled out, but didn't put the boat in gear to see. Anyway I came back to the house and tried to jack the boat up...that bubble didn't even budge....so I really need to find some extra blocks and wood to get it right...I don't suppose you took a photo of what you had under your wheel???
Thanks Hopefully this will make an improvement on my helix. I have a kicker on the same side of the transducer, would that make a difference? because my fish finder is not working properly. its not clear and no signal of fish even tho i saw some.
Thanks so much for the video. i also have the triple shot transducer on my fiberglass boat. Can you tell me how high or low the transducer should be mounted? I currently do not get readings at traveling speed. I have seen a video where the guy uses a square to position the bottom of the transducer to be level with the bottom of the boat....Is this correct? Thanks so much!
I would like to run my fish finder on my ski doo ( ice fishing) just for the GPS maps, what do I do with the transducer unplug it or leave it plugged in