Mind implies fear implies security implies image formation implies something permanent implies security implies mind thinking itself to be secure implies reality will hit implies pain implies go to step 1
This is a very very important conversation I feel all seekers (if I may use this word) should listen to and reflect upon before accepting or discarding anything blindly
I love the passion of Krishnamurti in this topic. We are all the same: our potential, our genius, our setbacks, vices, sins, etc. I got that clear when I studied several serial killers profiles. I realized something like "I could be them", which gave me compassion, perspective, empathy.
Driving fast in my car. Fantastic. I hear a knocking sound, ah, just leave it for now. The road flashes by, its great. That knocking is getting louder, ah, it will be OK. I can't be bothered right now, this car is great. Now what is wrong, the engine won't start?? I'll have to look for a new car. I'm sure I can find a better one. I hate engines. Yeah, I saw a beauty today, I'm going to check it out tomorrow. Fantastic.
Inwardly and psychologically we don't want to work but for our livelyhood we strenuously work. We are ignoring our internal aspects. Experience in getting something strange or acquiring new knowledge is nothing but a futile exercise when we don't give the PRESENT to our internal aspects which is REAL
Experience is not THE NEW HAPPENING. Rather knowing which is already there. Mind already knew and there is no NEW for it to know!!! It is not experience but IT IS TO BE WITH WHAT IS ALREADY THERE DEVOID OF TIME...
i think people use different definitions of theword "knowing". what is currently experienced is also known in some way, it can be seen with more or less clearity. but the memories of the past are also called "knowledge" but they are defenitely dead.
How can you know if an experience is new? One can, can't one? By comparing it with the previous experiences that I have, and by eliminating all that I have which are not the same as the supposedly new one - by doing so, I can come to the conclusion that it is the new experience.
You are right... I have the same thought but I'm guessing there's more to it... Especially since he mentioned, recognition... To recognize a person you should've already known that person, right? So, to recognize a new experience you should've already known or experienced before... I am kind of lost after that. It makes sense logically but I don't know how it relates to feelings. When one feels something new, he has to recognize that it's new.... So if it's recognizable then how is it new? That's the point but I don't understand how someone has never done skydiving before, can't say it's a new experience... Because it surely is or at least I hope so .. maybe it's not supposed to be later too literally.... Maybe he is just referring to spiritual experiences.
I understand this way... It's the act of skiing or surfing or horse riding that can differ, one already recognises the pleasure or happiness u get out of it.. so it's not new .. it's like the old wine in new bottle..and that is why he calls self deception.
I want to ask, I read a lot of JK books all outstanding for sure, but I wonder did he write any of those books, or are they simply transcripts of his talks?
One may experience say for example a food outside of his culture for the first time and it may be totally new taste which he never experienced ., what then???
A Simple dumb question to destroy the whole idea. If a small child travelled by a flight. He never ever saw an airplane. It was his first time travelling in a plane. Isn't this his a NEW experience? Experiences can be new. Not to fall in illusion!
But the so called new experience will only happen when the child will associate the experience with his/her limited knowledge about the plain. Surely he will experience some elements which he never came across but the processing will be on the basis of his limited idea of his self, idea of parents being together, may be he will associate the experience with image of aeroplane he saw on a tv or book. That is never new, that is like putting one layer on another one but the center is always the past/thoughts/ images? For instance if you get a chance to see a creature you never saw before, not even in media and it has a set of structure and body, your mind will try to relate to that creature according to your known images , it will try to make sense by that only. So you are actually experiencing what you already knew with elements of new layers.
I like Allan W Anderson eye brows
Knew I wasn't alone
They're like the gates of a Shaolin temple
This has more meaning nowadays with instagramers living their 15 seconds "experience"
Mind implies fear implies security implies image formation implies something permanent implies security implies mind thinking itself to be secure implies reality will hit implies pain implies go to step 1
This is a very very important conversation I feel all seekers (if I may use this word) should listen to and reflect upon before accepting or discarding anything blindly
thank you krishnajj foundation 🤗🤗🤗🙏
I love the passion of Krishnamurti in this topic. We are all the same: our potential, our genius, our setbacks, vices, sins, etc. I got that clear when I studied several serial killers profiles. I realized something like "I could be them", which gave me compassion, perspective, empathy.
Great talk ❤️
You can never know something that's living 🙂
And by extension i would suggest that if someone says "i know myself".. then one should consider him to have fallen into a trap of self delusion.
Como sempre extraordinário!!! 😜👋👋
Driving fast in my car.
Fantastic.
I hear a knocking sound, ah, just leave it for now.
The road flashes by, its great.
That knocking is getting louder, ah, it will be OK.
I can't be bothered right now, this car is great.
Now what is wrong, the engine won't start??
I'll have to look for a new car.
I'm sure I can find a better one.
I hate engines.
Yeah, I saw a beauty today, I'm going to check it out tomorrow.
Fantastic.
Thank for adding auto translate
Good reasons to never "buy the whole package" from anyone...
Yes
Inwardly and psychologically we don't want to work but for our livelyhood we strenuously work. We are ignoring our internal aspects. Experience in getting something strange or acquiring new knowledge is nothing but a futile exercise when we don't give the PRESENT to our internal aspects which is REAL
Experience is not THE NEW HAPPENING. Rather knowing which is already there. Mind already knew and there is no NEW for it to know!!!
It is not experience but IT IS TO BE WITH WHAT IS ALREADY THERE DEVOID OF TIME...
Victim of memory
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Jiddu he beautiful
i think people use different definitions of theword "knowing".
what is currently experienced is also known in some way, it can be seen with more or less clearity.
but the memories of the past are also called "knowledge" but they are defenitely dead.
Awakening is not an experience, so if you crave the experience of awakening...you are stuck.
How can you know if an experience is new? One can, can't one? By comparing it with the previous experiences that I have, and by eliminating all that I have which are not the same as the supposedly new one - by doing so, I can come to the conclusion that it is the new experience.
You are right... I have the same thought but I'm guessing there's more to it... Especially since he mentioned, recognition... To recognize a person you should've already known that person, right? So, to recognize a new experience you should've already known or experienced before... I am kind of lost after that. It makes sense logically but I don't know how it relates to feelings.
When one feels something new, he has to recognize that it's new.... So if it's recognizable then how is it new? That's the point but I don't understand how someone has never done skydiving before, can't say it's a new experience... Because it surely is or at least I hope so .. maybe it's not supposed to be later too literally.... Maybe he is just referring to spiritual experiences.
I understand this way... It's the act of skiing or surfing or horse riding that can differ, one already recognises the pleasure or happiness u get out of it.. so it's not new .. it's like the old wine in new bottle..and that is why he calls self deception.
If the experience is always old,
how did the experience i already have come about?
What you're describing is call mechanical learning
He speaks in questions ..
all he is doing is teaching us to question cause that is the doorway ...
There’s Nothing NEW under the sun ..
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And by extension i would suggest that if someone says "i know myself".. then one should consider him to have fallen into a trap of self delusion.
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I want to ask, I read a lot of JK books all outstanding for sure, but I wonder did he write any of those books, or are they simply transcripts of his talks?
One may experience say for example a food outside of his culture for the first time and it may be totally new taste which he never experienced ., what then???
A Simple dumb question to destroy the whole idea.
If a small child travelled by a flight. He never ever saw an airplane. It was his first time travelling in a plane. Isn't this his a NEW experience?
Experiences can be new. Not to fall in illusion!
But the so called new experience will only happen when the child will associate the experience with his/her limited knowledge about the plain. Surely he will experience some elements which he never came across but the processing will be on the basis of his limited idea of his self, idea of parents being together, may be he will associate the experience with image of aeroplane he saw on a tv or book. That is never new, that is like putting one layer on another one but the center is always the past/thoughts/ images?
For instance if you get a chance to see a creature you never saw before, not even in media and it has a set of structure and body, your mind will try to relate to that creature according to your known images , it will try to make sense by that only. So you are actually experiencing what you already knew with elements of new layers.
Please provide full video link 🙏
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Why was K so much in a hurry to speak, never letting the other complete their sentences.
his eyebrows distract from the conversation. I must only listen to these talks to give real attention to what is being said
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