"shit I should not buy" 😂. Thanks for testing, I would suspected that the UV emitted by arc is much more intense than the flashlight what makes that "googles" only more dangerous....
When it comes to auto darkening welding helmets, I look for best quality from Miller, Lincoln electric. Using cheap helmets may cause cataract. Same thing with sunglasses always look for the best quality. Thanks Greg.
Thanks for the safety lesson. I also cringe at seeing folks arc welding in short sleeves. I learned this the "hard way", once, when I did a couple of spot welds with my mig welder to repair a joint on a metal bed frame, and got a "sunburn" where my v-neck t-shirt under my long sleeve shirt allowed the UV to hit my skin below my neck. (The neck button on my outer shirt was unbuttoned.) I welded maybe 1 minute total and got this burn. Lesson learned.... Thanks again for all you share! Cheers from Portland, Oregon, Philip
I cringe as well at that. I definitely try to avoid telling anyone what to do, but man, it bothers me to see healthy people risking skin cancer welding in t shirts.
Wearing PPE is a personal choice… and if you keep thinking what you’re doing is good enough or forgoing the protection afforded by the PPE because you think you can do without the hassle, or it’s only just for a moment, you’re dead wrong. Most chronic exposers to welding or chemical fumes, UV light can take years to show up. Ask me how I know….
Probably burned his eyes. I am afraid to use them lol. I am going to test them by a tig arc and see what happens, presumably even more UV and possibly UVC (since the light doesn’t output UVC). They are far too dark to use a torch with them so it would be difficult to find anything safe to use them for.
Normal goggles are definitely for torch welding. The goggles in the video are sold as “arc welding” goggles, and are shade 8-12, which is far too dark for torch welding/cutting. Interestingly enough the cartridge is sold as a slip in for other welding hoods, which is pretty scary.
Hay I found you here on RUclips 2 days ago and watched your video on flux core Good stuff. I have been welding flux cores for many years flux core has a shelf life and if It's stored roughly it doesn't weld well it has a coating to help it through the liner. I keep a lite bulb in my wire feeder to help with welds and it keeps the moisture out. It's good to see a hard worker and a fellow welder you have very good content in your videos good job🤔👌👍
Thanks for the kind words and sharing your thoughts on the wire. No doubt if you can get the moisture off the wire it will benefit it. Once any kind of rust forms it’s game over for the wire. It doesn’t take long for the wire to turn bad.
Welding lenses should block both UV and IR. UV is bad because it damages the cornea, but IR cooks your eye lens and you get cataracts. That's why IR opaque goggles are essential for torch cutting.
Great info. Every welding hood I tested (8 or more) had no card reaction to uv. I also tried a few shirts I had in the shop (Fr button ups) and those blocked all UV as well. The fact those goggles had poor UV blocking is a surprise since they had a good review and are a dark shade. How a 35$ harbor freight hood can pass in the clear state and a set of welding goggles won’t pass in the darkened state at a shade 11 blows my mind lol.
Pretty informative with this video Greg. I’ve used the burning goggles with an auto lens before and I didn’t like it anymore than when I had to hold a damn auto lens with a clear taped to it in front of my face due to restricted space. I wasn’t a fan of the leather money hoods either. A couple years ago I bought a Miller auto darkening mask and I’m pretty impressed with it
Those masks are handy for hard to fit places. I have never used millers but I have heard it works good. Beats being frustrated with a big hood on trying to see something lol.
So… this reminded me of a story from welding class. This guy wasn’t wearing any underwear and found out he had a hole in the crotch of his pants, burned the heck out of his junk. He was walking funny for a while. I learned my lesson a few times with sun burn. I cover up good now, especially my junk. Don’t be a tough guy, wear your PPE everyone. You only have one set of eyes, and only one pair of baIIs. Thanks
there are a number of very good welding shirts out there. I am in Canada and buy from Canadian Welding Supply. They have US and Canadian made shirts which are UV and UB protected. If you go to their web site you can see the shirts , find the maker then buy them in the US were I believe you are.
I tested a couple thicker shirts I wear off camera and they had no issue passing. Same thing with my fr button up shirts. They are fairly thick though. Generally speaking the thinner they are the more suspect they will be. If they list uv protection you should be good. Stay away from thin tshirts type material for sure lol.
Yes, very dangerous. We get A and B wavelengths from the sun. The deep atmosphere blocks the shorter C wavelengths which is the most dangerous and is produced by welding. I don’t know what that card can read, so I don’t know if it would register the C band. But UV flashlights usually only produce the safer A band and at most a tiny amount of B. I don’t know how these safety items will pass A as opposed to B and particularly C. I wish I still had access to it, but I had testing equipment for this that produced a tunable A through C UV wavelength output and a sensor for it (and a really good certified pair of glasses), a lot of materials will pass A but not B or C, and a lot will pass C but not A. It depends on the material.
The card measures UVA and B on the main strip and UVC on a separate part of the card. You are correct, the light doesn’t output UVC. I have a feeling if the goggles are letting A/B though, C would probably as well. The wavelength of the light is claimed to be 365nm. I might pickup a UVC light to see if that lets that through too. The neck sock definitely will lol.
Lol. I used one of those pairs of welding goggles and wound up with a mild case of sunburn on the rest of my face that wasn't covered. Learned my lesson, back to full face shields.😄
Those goggles are for gas welding or brazing. Making one with an auto darkening lens makes no sense. You don't need it because it's usually shade 5 or 8. And like he says, a green welding shade should have excellent UV protection and block IR based on the shade.
Don't skimp on PPE. You don't have to spend top dollar on everything but somethings you do have to be watchful. Here are my suggestions: - on your helmet, spend the money on the lense, forget the fancy graphics, they don't do anything. I recommend adding a front bib to your helmet. This will also help with UV exposure. - Wear gloves, good ones. - There is no such thing as safety sandals. Wear shoes. Sneakers are okay but do not provide much protection if you were to drop something heavy on your foot or to stub your foot against something. - clothing doesn't necessarily have to be FR, but it should be at least a heavy cotton. They should also be long sleeve. Do not wear synthetics. Synthetic fabrics melt and getting it debrided is painful. - a cap is not necessary, but I find it helps the helmet to fit better. - If you are dealing with a lot of spatter, wear a welder's jacket or cape over your shirt. - Half mask respirators are a plus when dealing with fumes. Most welding fumes are fine particulates so you want an N99 filter. This is a must with any galvanizing. Don't worry about organic vapors. - I consider a fire extinguisher to be part of your PPE. I recommend a 40BC dry powder. - Good ventilation is a must. If you are using shielding gases, don't have the fan blow towards you, instead have the fan blow away from you. You will need to have the fan relatively close in order to be effective. - Keep down the clutter and keep a tidy shop. A cluttered shop area is just more opportunities for injury. - Have a First Aid kit. Nothing fancy, all you need is a variety of band aid sizes, alcohol wipes, antibiotic and burn creams.
I keep a spray bottle of distilled water nearby (I use distilled water to cool things down between passes and it doesn’t leave any dissolved solids behind). It may not put out anything significant, but it can knock some of the flames down a bit giving you time to grab your fire extinguisher. Luck favors the prepared…
Especially white clothing only has a very low Ultraviolet Protection Factor (UPF) of around 10. The thicker and the more the color differs from plain white the higher the UPF is. Greyish thicker woven cotton has a UPF of around 20. Even more important: if white clothes get wet (welding in summer, sweat), the UPF drops close to zero...
Interesting. I did test a couple button up Fr shirts (dark colors) and they had nothing show Up on the card. I have noticed a slight neck redness after welding all day at my job with their button up shirts, but they are paper thin (blue in color). That’s why I bought the neck sock only to have that not work 😅. I Definately will be sorting this out to stay protected.
Very informative young man because no doubt as is here in the UK, most countries are flooded with Ding Ping Pong made rubbish being sold as "quality", "fully tested" and here in the UK they advertise as "UK Stock" when it is not. Buy quality brands from trusted industrial suppliers rather than domestic market traders! So many RUclipsrs than feature welding don't wear masks when tacking up and some as you say just wear a T shirt. Stupid is as stupid does!
It’s pretty crazy what exists on Amazon that no brick and mortar company would remotely put their name on. Prime example: I bought a flux core welder for testing. Somehow it has a UL listed power cord and they claim compliance with CSA and a few other standards. Yet it loads up the input line with 35amps near its max output, on 120v, mind you with a 15amp plug end. Pretty crazy lol.
Hm, with any thin thread-based material you will get even regular light passing through -- I doubt it's just passing UV more than visible light, you could just shine a flashlight through one side and see all the holes. A fair point that it's definitely not blocking it all, but it's also definitely blocking more than nothing. EDIT: lol halfway through you just said that, figured I got to the end of that section.
Yep. Many thanks! Its T shirt season so I bought a pair of "arm leggings" to reduce burns and I assumed it would keep UV out. I'll have to test them now (which is a smart thing to do). The old saying about making assumptions rears its ugly head again... 🙂
@@makingmistakeswithgreg It's raining like hell here so I thought I'd add MY experiments. OK, gotta' imagine 90+ heat and just about equal humidity --I anin't gonna' weld in a heavy denim coat and pants. Here's what I use as a DIY welder that sill wants some PPE. 1.) Harbor freights Denim welding apron it's only $4 in my area. 2.) Magid 24" flame guard w/thumbhole, $9.00 per pair. I also got the uv flashlight and test card and I couldn't register UV light after a full minute direct UV on the sleeves. Just so ya' know, I went with the HF denim apron 'cause it's also shorts weather and I could sit at a stool and weld while my legs were covered from spatter. Also, it's HF stuff so expect the ties to rip out --it's only $4 so just cut a slot where the cloth tie-on was and tie in some cotton cord or something --WTH. Some may not like this 'cause you aint gonna' be no fashion plate but it's quick to throw on and keeps the UV off you. P.S. I've had those fucked up burns from welding and it sucks so I don't care about the look!!
I bought a cheap welding hood on amazon cause I thought it looked cool, and I knew it was probably a sketchy lens, so I swapped the lens from the really cheap one, with my old helmet from harbor freight. Now im thinking that was good idea.
The scary thing is the lens in the goggle is sold as a drop in for other hoods. No doubt there are other unsafe lenses out there. Definitely is worth using a known decent lens.
It’s the only set of goggles I have seen show up positive. Every welding hood I have ever checked (even yes welder and harbor freight) never had a positive result. The googles aren’t super hot (as in burn your eyes out immediately) but I have no doubt it’s passing UV though. Its performance in the darkened state is slightly better (I have to trigger it with my phone) but that too let’s uv though. I thought they may have just used torch goggles and screwed up, but the shade is so dark there is no way it’s meant for a torch.
Leather should be a hard stop I would think. I tested a couple shirts in the workshop and none of them tested hot. They are far thicker than the neck sock though.
You must have missed the fact the shade is lens 8-12 which is far too dark to do any oxy fuel cutting or welding. The product is unfortunately sold for arc welding purposes and comes with a piece of paper that says you need something to protect your skin from UV exposure.
How do you think the old school fix shade (non auto) is holding up against UV? Sad to say , after this I would rather use less money on a lens but more money on testing , Saying that can you be sure that a brand necessary is any better than a no name . In Africa I have seen welders use double sun glasses for extra protection.
Fixed shades should have no issue blocking UV fully. I have never tested a lens that let through UV like those goggles. The scary thing is the lens in the goggles is sold as a drop in replacement for fixed shade welding helmets. That stresses the importance of buying a reputable lens. It also goes without saying if you experience eye pain or feel your eyes are getting hurt, to stop using the welding helmet and seek other options.
This drives me nuts when I see stuff like this. Cutting googles should never be used as a makeshift welding helmet. Intense UV light can leak through the gaps of those stupid cutting goggles. Why on earth would you turn a pair of cutting goggles into a welding “shield”. The darkest shade meant for those is a shade number 5 used for Oxy-Acetylene cutting or even plasma cutting. Using those for welding will blind you over time. They shouldn’t even be shown in that regard
I agree with your thoughts on that. The real interesting thing is the cartridge insert in that set of goggles is sold as an insert for fixed shade hoods. It wasn’t made exclusively for those goggles, which means people are likely using that cartridge as a replacement for their hoods. Not a good situation.
When buying on Amazon, you really need to filter on seller and limit yourself to items actually sold by Amazon. Amazon has turned into an even worse version of early eBay, and there's zero accountability for the stuff sold by overseas sellers in the PRC and India, even though Amazon arranged for shipping to am Amazon Warehouse from which Amazon delivers it to the consumer. The congresscritters bashing on Amazon for "taking advantage of small sellers" have got it out exactly backwards. The problem is these overseas sellers themselves working with Amazon to bypass customs and import dangerous items in violation of US law.
No doubt the amount of flat out unsafe stuff on there is pretty wild. Absolutely no testing, verification of manufacture claims, etc. I just bought a flux core welder for testing (it’s somewhat a reputable brand), and it’s sketchy. It has a “UL listed” cord with a 15a plug end, but it loads over 34a on a 120v circuit. How the machine is legal to sell is pretty mind blowing to me lol.
@@makingmistakeswithgreg The quotes around UL Listed are quite appropriate. I've bought alleged UL listed items in Amazon that triggered warning bells when they arrived, and when i checked with UL it turned out that the registration was bogus
@@morenothing4u Returned the item and reported them to UL, who was not amused. Amazon pulled the listing, but the seller turned around and relisted the item, minus the phrase "UL Listed" in the description. IIRC, though, the picture still had the fake registration number.
They don’t make a shade 11 oxyfuel torch goggle, you couldn’t see anything with it lol. It’s sold and marketed directly as a welding goggle and it comes with a safety sheet that says you must wear a head wrap when welding due to uv exposure. The goggle itself is likely a standard goggle, the insert is a cheap welding insert with auto darkening. The sensors don’t pickup a torch well either, the sensors are not designed for torch use.
"shit I should not buy" 😂. Thanks for testing, I would suspected that the UV emitted by arc is much more intense than the flashlight what makes that "googles" only more dangerous....
I should run a tig arc near it for 5 minutes and see what the card says. I am sure as hell not going to wear them for the test lol.
When it comes to auto darkening welding helmets, I look for best quality from Miller, Lincoln electric. Using cheap helmets may cause cataract. Same thing with sunglasses always look for the best quality. Thanks Greg.
most sun glasses are made by one and one only company
@@user-fj9be5fe3p I have seen a $7 sunglasses at the Sunshine flea market, FL. I don't think that also come from the same company!
Thanks for the safety lesson. I also cringe at seeing folks arc welding in short sleeves.
I learned this the "hard way", once, when I did a couple of spot welds with my mig welder to repair a joint on a metal bed frame, and got a "sunburn" where my v-neck t-shirt under my long sleeve shirt allowed the UV to hit my skin below my neck. (The neck button on my outer shirt was unbuttoned.) I welded maybe 1 minute total and got this burn. Lesson learned....
Thanks again for all you share!
Cheers from Portland, Oregon,
Philip
I cringe as well at that. I definitely try to avoid telling anyone what to do, but man, it bothers me to see healthy people risking skin cancer welding in t shirts.
Thanks for the heads up.
Wearing PPE is a personal choice… and if you keep thinking what you’re doing is good enough or forgoing the protection afforded by the PPE because you think you can do without the hassle, or it’s only just for a moment, you’re dead wrong. Most chronic exposers to welding or chemical fumes, UV light can take years to show up. Ask me how I know….
Hi Greg, thanks to you I now know why the guy on Craig's list is selling his eye protection goggles. UV Unsafe! Same one you showed.
Probably burned his eyes. I am afraid to use them lol. I am going to test them by a tig arc and see what happens, presumably even more UV and possibly UVC (since the light doesn’t output UVC). They are far too dark to use a torch with them so it would be difficult to find anything safe to use them for.
Thanks Greg, looking out for us as always. 👍👍
Excellent presentation, real eye opener!
That “welding” goggle thing is likely for torch welding where it’s significantly less light and only needs a like level 5 shade rather than 14
Normal goggles are definitely for torch welding. The goggles in the video are sold as “arc welding” goggles, and are shade 8-12, which is far too dark for torch welding/cutting. Interestingly enough the cartridge is sold as a slip in for other welding hoods, which is pretty scary.
Thanks Greg, very good info .
No problem 😀
Hay I found you here on RUclips 2 days ago and watched your video on flux core Good stuff. I have been welding flux cores for many years
flux core has a shelf life and if It's stored roughly it doesn't weld well it has a coating to help it through the liner. I keep a lite bulb in my wire feeder to help with welds and it keeps the moisture out. It's good to see a hard worker and a fellow welder you have very good content in your videos good job🤔👌👍
Thanks for the kind words and sharing your thoughts on the wire. No doubt if you can get the moisture off the wire it will benefit it. Once any kind of rust forms it’s game over for the wire. It doesn’t take long for the wire to turn bad.
Gotta be careful when shopping on the ol' Scamazon... buyer beware. There are good products for sale there, but not always the best prices for those.
Welding lenses should block both UV and IR. UV is bad because it damages the cornea, but IR cooks your eye lens and you get cataracts. That's why IR opaque goggles are essential for torch cutting.
Great info. Every welding hood I tested (8 or more) had no card reaction to uv. I also tried a few shirts I had in the shop (Fr button ups) and those blocked all UV as well. The fact those goggles had poor UV blocking is a surprise since they had a good review and are a dark shade. How a 35$ harbor freight hood can pass in the clear state and a set of welding goggles won’t pass in the darkened state at a shade 11 blows my mind lol.
Pretty informative with this video Greg. I’ve used the burning goggles with an auto lens before and I didn’t like it anymore than when I had to hold a damn auto lens with a clear taped to it in front of my face due to restricted space. I wasn’t a fan of the leather money hoods either. A couple years ago I bought a Miller auto darkening mask and I’m pretty impressed with it
Those masks are handy for hard to fit places. I have never used millers but I have heard it works good. Beats being frustrated with a big hood on trying to see something lol.
So… this reminded me of a story from welding class. This guy wasn’t wearing any underwear and found out he had a hole in the crotch of his pants, burned the heck out of his junk. He was walking funny for a while. I learned my lesson a few times with sun burn. I cover up good now, especially my junk. Don’t be a tough guy, wear your PPE everyone. You only have one set of eyes, and only one pair of baIIs. Thanks
What I learned is unless it says it protects against UV always assume it doesn't.
I definitely learned that, and you’re 100% correct.
@@makingmistakeswithgreg I wonder if wearing SPF sunscreen would be of any use.
Been in the market for a welding shirt. Having second thoughts if they don't protect against UV. Great timing!
there are a number of very good welding shirts out there. I am in Canada and buy from Canadian Welding Supply. They have US and Canadian made shirts which are UV and UB protected. If you go to their web site you can see the shirts , find the maker then buy them in the US were I believe you are.
in a pinch when I didnt have fr sleeves handy I put a jacket on backwards...basically makes a front apron
I tested a couple thicker shirts I wear off camera and they had no issue passing. Same thing with my fr button up shirts. They are fairly thick though. Generally speaking the thinner they are the more suspect they will be. If they list uv protection you should be good. Stay away from thin tshirts type material for sure lol.
Yes, very dangerous. We get A and B wavelengths from the sun. The deep atmosphere blocks the shorter C wavelengths which is the most dangerous and is produced by welding. I don’t know what that card can read, so I don’t know if it would register the C band. But UV flashlights usually only produce the safer A band and at most a tiny amount of B. I don’t know how these safety items will pass A as opposed to B and particularly C. I wish I still had access to it, but I had testing equipment for this that produced a tunable A through C UV wavelength output and a sensor for it (and a really good certified pair of glasses), a lot of materials will pass A but not B or C, and a lot will pass C but not A. It depends on the material.
I would say a TIG arc would be the next best thing, if you're testing for welding PPE specifically
@@maxscott3349 yes. TIG is the most dangerous because the heavy fumes of the other processes help absorb some of the UV.
The card measures UVA and B on the main strip and UVC on a separate part of the card. You are correct, the light doesn’t output UVC. I have a feeling if the goggles are letting A/B though, C would probably as well. The wavelength of the light is claimed to be 365nm. I might pickup a UVC light to see if that lets that through too. The neck sock definitely will lol.
thanks for caring greg!
I want to see everyone be healthy for a long time 😀
Lol. I used one of those pairs of welding goggles and wound up with a mild case of sunburn on the rest of my face that wasn't covered. Learned my lesson, back to full face shields.😄
Those goggles are for gas welding or brazing. Making one with an auto darkening lens makes no sense. You don't need it because it's usually shade 5 or 8. And like he says, a green welding shade should have excellent UV protection and block IR based on the shade.
Don't skimp on PPE. You don't have to spend top dollar on everything but somethings you do have to be watchful. Here are my suggestions:
- on your helmet, spend the money on the lense, forget the fancy graphics, they don't do anything. I recommend adding a front bib to your helmet. This will also help with UV exposure.
- Wear gloves, good ones.
- There is no such thing as safety sandals. Wear shoes. Sneakers are okay but do not provide much protection if you were to drop something heavy on your foot or to stub your foot against something.
- clothing doesn't necessarily have to be FR, but it should be at least a heavy cotton. They should also be long sleeve. Do not wear synthetics. Synthetic fabrics melt and getting it debrided is painful.
- a cap is not necessary, but I find it helps the helmet to fit better.
- If you are dealing with a lot of spatter, wear a welder's jacket or cape over your shirt.
- Half mask respirators are a plus when dealing with fumes. Most welding fumes are fine particulates so you want an N99 filter. This is a must with any galvanizing. Don't worry about organic vapors.
- I consider a fire extinguisher to be part of your PPE. I recommend a 40BC dry powder.
- Good ventilation is a must. If you are using shielding gases, don't have the fan blow towards you, instead have the fan blow away from you. You will need to have the fan relatively close in order to be effective.
- Keep down the clutter and keep a tidy shop. A cluttered shop area is just more opportunities for injury.
- Have a First Aid kit. Nothing fancy, all you need is a variety of band aid sizes, alcohol wipes, antibiotic and burn creams.
and eye wash bottles
P100 is better than n99
I keep a spray bottle of distilled water nearby (I use distilled water to cool things down between passes and it doesn’t leave any dissolved solids behind). It may not put out anything significant, but it can knock some of the flames down a bit giving you time to grab your fire extinguisher.
Luck favors the prepared…
@@michaelwhiting878 Good idea. I am usually working with aluminum, magnesium and titanium. What are you working with?
@@_hector__ I meant to say P99. And yes, of course it is and at a higher cost.
Especially white clothing only has a very low Ultraviolet Protection Factor (UPF) of around 10. The thicker and the more the color differs from plain white the higher the UPF is. Greyish thicker woven cotton has a UPF of around 20.
Even more important: if white clothes get wet (welding in summer, sweat), the UPF drops close to zero...
Right, that's like the 'wet t-shirt" effect :)
Interesting. I did test a couple button up Fr shirts (dark colors) and they had nothing show
Up on the card. I have noticed a slight neck redness after welding all day at my job with their button up shirts, but they are paper thin (blue in color). That’s why I bought the neck sock only to have that not work 😅. I Definately will be sorting this out to stay protected.
UV blockade is from the plastic lens protector.
Very informative young man because no doubt as is here in the UK, most countries are flooded with Ding Ping Pong made rubbish being sold as "quality", "fully tested" and here in the UK they advertise as "UK Stock" when it is not. Buy quality brands from trusted industrial suppliers rather than domestic market traders!
So many RUclipsrs than feature welding don't wear masks when tacking up and some as you say just wear a T shirt. Stupid is as stupid does!
It’s pretty crazy what exists on Amazon that no brick and mortar company would remotely put their name on. Prime example: I bought a flux core welder for testing. Somehow it has a UL listed power cord and they claim compliance with CSA and a few other standards. Yet it loads up the input line with 35amps near its max output, on 120v, mind you with a 15amp plug end. Pretty crazy lol.
Hm, with any thin thread-based material you will get even regular light passing through -- I doubt it's just passing UV more than visible light, you could just shine a flashlight through one side and see all the holes. A fair point that it's definitely not blocking it all, but it's also definitely blocking more than nothing.
EDIT: lol halfway through you just said that, figured I got to the end of that section.
Is the card like a pH strip? So if we go into the welding shop bathroom and test the waters they won't shine purple?
Yep. Many thanks! Its T shirt season so I bought a pair of "arm leggings" to reduce burns and I assumed it would keep UV out. I'll have to test them now (which is a smart thing to do). The old saying about making assumptions rears its ugly head again... 🙂
If they are made out of the same material as that neck sock good luck lol.
@@makingmistakeswithgreg It's raining like hell here so I thought I'd add MY experiments. OK, gotta' imagine 90+ heat and just about equal humidity --I anin't gonna' weld in a heavy denim coat and pants. Here's what I use as a DIY welder that sill wants some PPE. 1.) Harbor freights Denim welding apron it's only $4 in my area. 2.) Magid 24" flame guard w/thumbhole, $9.00 per pair. I also got the uv flashlight and test card and I couldn't register UV light after a full minute direct UV on the sleeves. Just so ya' know, I went with the HF denim apron 'cause it's also shorts weather and I could sit at a stool and weld while my legs were covered from spatter. Also, it's HF stuff so expect the ties to rip out --it's only $4 so just cut a slot where the cloth tie-on was and tie in some cotton cord or something --WTH. Some may not like this 'cause you aint gonna' be no fashion plate but it's quick to throw on and keeps the UV off you. P.S. I've had those fucked up burns from welding and it sucks so I don't care about the look!!
I bought a cheap welding hood on amazon cause I thought it looked cool, and I knew it was probably a sketchy lens, so I swapped the lens from the really cheap one, with my old helmet from harbor freight. Now im thinking that was good idea.
The scary thing is the lens in the goggle is sold as a drop in for other hoods. No doubt there are other unsafe lenses out there. Definitely is worth using a known decent lens.
I'm shocked that the goggles passed UV light. I genuinely didn't think it was possible. UV gets hard countered by plastic and glass
It’s the only set of goggles I have seen show up positive. Every welding hood I have ever checked (even yes welder and harbor freight) never had a positive result. The googles aren’t super hot (as in burn your eyes out immediately) but I have no doubt it’s passing UV though. Its performance in the darkened state is slightly better (I have to trigger it with my phone) but that too let’s uv though. I thought they may have just used torch goggles and screwed up, but the shade is so dark there is no way it’s meant for a torch.
I’ve sewn some “welding caps” of leather…. Hopefully, that won’t pass UV.
Leather should be a hard stop I would think. I tested a couple shirts in the workshop and none of them tested hot. They are far thicker than the neck sock though.
Bro… The Green goggles are for cutting Torch use only.
You must have missed the fact the shade is lens 8-12 which is far too dark to do any oxy fuel cutting or welding. The product is unfortunately sold for arc welding purposes and comes with a piece of paper that says you need something to protect your skin from UV exposure.
How do you think the old school fix shade (non auto) is holding up against UV? Sad to say , after this I would rather use less money on a lens but more money on testing , Saying that can you be sure that a brand necessary is any better than a no name .
In Africa I have seen welders use double sun glasses for extra protection.
Fixed shades should have no issue blocking UV fully. I have never tested a lens that let through UV like those goggles. The scary thing is the lens in the goggles is sold as a drop in replacement for fixed shade welding helmets. That stresses the importance of buying a reputable lens. It also goes without saying if you experience eye pain or feel your eyes are getting hurt, to stop using the welding helmet and seek other options.
Ew welding in the rain ...sounds like fun!
You can learn a lot about electricity with wet conditions 😅.
Dont Fry Urself Gregie..............
This drives me nuts when I see stuff like this.
Cutting googles should never be used as a makeshift welding helmet. Intense UV light can leak through the gaps of those stupid cutting goggles.
Why on earth would you turn a pair of cutting goggles into a welding “shield”.
The darkest shade meant for those is a shade number 5 used for Oxy-Acetylene cutting or even plasma cutting.
Using those for welding will blind you over time. They shouldn’t even be shown in that regard
I agree with your thoughts on that. The real interesting thing is the cartridge insert in that set of goggles is sold as an insert for fixed shade hoods. It wasn’t made exclusively for those goggles, which means people are likely using that cartridge as a replacement for their hoods. Not a good situation.
When buying on Amazon, you really need to filter on seller and limit yourself to items actually sold by Amazon. Amazon has turned into an even worse version of early eBay, and there's zero accountability for the stuff sold by overseas sellers in the PRC and India, even though Amazon arranged for shipping to am Amazon Warehouse from which Amazon delivers it to the consumer.
The congresscritters bashing on Amazon for "taking advantage of small sellers" have got it out exactly backwards. The problem is these overseas sellers themselves working with Amazon to bypass customs and import dangerous items in violation of US law.
No doubt the amount of flat out unsafe stuff on there is pretty wild. Absolutely no testing, verification of manufacture claims, etc. I just bought a flux core welder for testing (it’s somewhat a reputable brand), and it’s sketchy. It has a “UL listed” cord with a 15a plug end, but it loads over 34a on a 120v circuit. How the machine is legal to sell is pretty mind blowing to me lol.
@@makingmistakeswithgreg The quotes around UL Listed are quite appropriate. I've bought alleged UL listed items in Amazon that triggered warning bells when they arrived, and when i checked with UL it turned out that the registration was bogus
@PaulSteMarie Play the return game. If enough people do it Amazon will dock the seller.
@@morenothing4u Returned the item and reported them to UL, who was not amused. Amazon pulled the listing, but the seller turned around and relisted the item, minus the phrase "UL Listed" in the description.
IIRC, though, the picture still had the fake registration number.
Hey, don't be talkn crap about the camera guy! He's a stand up dude
He is a tough guy to work with 😅
Pretty sure that welding goggle is made for oxy acetalyne, silly
They don’t make a shade 11 oxyfuel torch goggle, you couldn’t see anything with it lol. It’s sold and marketed directly as a welding goggle and it comes with a safety sheet that says you must wear a head wrap when welding due to uv exposure. The goggle itself is likely a standard goggle, the insert is a cheap welding insert with auto darkening. The sensors don’t pickup a torch well either, the sensors are not designed for torch use.