Drying and fire hardening an elm stave for a selfbow - Bowmaking - Longbow - DIY
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- In this video I´m inspired by Thad Beckum of @BeckumOutdoors When he and Keith Shannon are making a bow out of a fresh tree, by drying it over fire an firehardening it afterwards! • From Living Tree to Fi...
@clayhayeshunter did the same thing resently, so why shoulden´t I try it too? • How NOT to FIRE HARDEN...
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@Rowanbows • Bogenbau Heat Treating...
Update! This bow exploded without warning. I think I cooked it to hard and to fast. I’ll let you know when I’ve made another with this method!
Nooo, it looked like such a nice bow
How much did you shoot it if you had to guess?
@@j.shorter4716 a few days. I think when I started to full draw it.
@@peterjuulsgaard
Do you come across Elm for a heavy war bow?
No I can’t draw that kind of bows. I dont know if elm can be used for that
Good job this opens doors to the white wood world
Yes interesting method. I’m still experimenting once in a while
Hey Peter. Thad Beckum here. I enjoyed your video very much. Well done. I have been watching your channel for a while now. Hope to see more from your channel.
Thank you Thad🙏! I’ve been following you for many years man! I actually bought the Full Circle DVD, back in the days.
@@peterjuulsgaard Wow. Man I wish we could go back in time to when I made Full Circle. Almost twenty years ago. We are not as young but we keep on doing what we love. Bows and arrows are timeless. Keep posting great videos.
You just gave me an excellent idea to have those pieces of wood to keep the bow straight!
Your little helper is so cute.
Awesome Peter! The Australian sun will do the trick here 🤣
Haha😂
Your dog is so cute. hopefully he will help you find your deer easier:)
Edit: We need a chronograph test on this bow!
I actually dont have a crono! Sometimes I borrow one in the local club to use in video’s. Feet pr. Sec. Doesen’t mean a lot to me, but one day I might run her through the crono!
LOVE THE DOG
Respect to you for giving credit to Keith Shannon and Thad Beckum. I's suspect that the East Coast Indians stored their bows in the rafters of their lodges which would be hot and smoky, keeping them dry and powerful? Great video!
Since our historical findings around here where all made of elm. Forexamble the Holmegaard bow and the Møllegabet bow! I suspect the stoneage folks around here to fire dry their staves too. Our climate would make it different to get the moisture under 10%. And they would also starve if they should season a stave 2-3 years! So those guy’s deserve the credit. Thanks for watching
Thank you Peter that's a quick self bow surprised you didn't make a Holmgaard .
Thor is a fine helper he knows kom sa 😀 that brought back memories mom was from Aalborg came to the US in 1928 at the age of 6
Thanks for watching👌
That hound of yours is like, "wheres the meat?"
Hello from Kansas ! --//--->
I’m gonna try this with a piece of hickory
Thanks for watching and good luck
Very good job Peter!
Thanks!
Good job !!!! I'm a Clay Hayes fan and your bow is amazing. 👍👍👍🏹
Amazing bow
Thanks
Cool man, i plan on doing the same thing to my hickory staves that i harvested
If done right, you’ll be impressed by the result!
@@peterjuulsgaard awesome glad to hear it and see the results. I purchased the dvd just for that reason. Thanks. May your aim be true
Muy bueno quedo se endereso vastante saludo de Bs As abrazo
Great. Now I'm wanting to make a bow.😄
Time to get started! Just realize you will probably break the first few you make. Then you’re addicted once you get your first one to actually shoot well.
Check out Clay Hayes’ older stuff for some great instruction on how to make one.
Thanks for the video Peter, I really like your new helper
Incredible bow with fine craftsmanship, nicely done and best wishes from Canada :)
Howdy Thor from the Southeast USA!! What a nice dog!!
Hello to Thor, my Rottweiller's name's ODIN and my German Shorthaired Pointer girl name's FREYA, loved dogs. Good dog wish him best life. Thanks for the advises for drying a bow (clay hayes technique) :)
Nice👌
Fine job sir! I’m working on a fire hardened black locust
Good information from you and Thad. Just recently found his channel. Been keeping up with you and Clay Hays for some time.
Nice D shape when strung, looks fast too. Good vids, Peter.
Thanks!
Very interesting video Peter!
Thanks for sharing!
Your welcome, Bill!
Thor is awesome! Very happy for you. Oh yea, great video too. I have also watched the videos you mentioned after finding them from Clay.
Yay Archery!
Thanks for watching
Peter friend you alweys make a good video, you're great. You little friend brings your arrows 🐶👍😁
Hello Puppy 🐶 😍
im a beginner so i kneeded to know this so thank you very much joey
Your welcome
nice puppy
You seem like an extraordinarily kind man. Great video, too. And cute dog!
Thanks
Really cool man 😎👍💯🔥🏹
I wish I had your talent. You are good at what you do and thank you for showing this video.
I’m the one thanking
interesting. thank yew.
Your welcome
I like the bow, and the dog !
really neat how that trick works!
Good work, i think👌
And also a nice puppy😍good luck and have fun with the dog training 😉
I'm working with my Lab (1year) and I try also to have enough time to shooting my bow, so...😩
Anyway , always enough time to see tales from the willows 👍🙌😎
Thanks! I’m not a dog practice fanatic, though. I just want him to be a good dog😅
I know what you mean😅😅😅
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In this video I´m inspired by Thad Beckum of @BeckumOutdoors When he and Keith Shannon are making a bow out of a fresh tree, by drying it over fire an firehardening it afterwards! ruclips.net/video/TGRtIFHNAXs/видео.html
This wood is elm, Thanks for watching!
Im enjoying seeing folks trying this method and preaching about the benefits of it..I especially like the truth being exposed and vindicating Thad and Kieth,for the Abuse they received on the forums,when they tried to share this method...
I’ve build some white wood bows over the years, and I have to say: there is a significant difference with this method! One of the main reasons here where I live is the amount of moisture we have in our climate. As you saw, the stave I had seasoned for 2 years still had 16% of moisture in it. Regarding the firehardening: I can feel it getting harder to work with during the tiller proces. Thanks for watching
Great video as always. Thanks for sharing.
Your welcome! Thanks for watching
Hi Peter, great video. I to am experimenting with the firehardening process, at present I am making a 54" flatbow from hard maple, I tried one session over the charcoal but didn't quite get the result I was hoping for.I'm starting to realize that you really have to 'cook' that wood, just not really crazy about the burnt wood look! But, if you get those results I guess I can live with it! Have made a proper form and wiil try again.. Cheers from Waikato, New Zealand..
I will also try maple one day. Maybe it can be cooked too much, also. So we need to experiment with it, Thanks for watching
It works very good, ive done it with an elm stave ive cut one month before but in winter so the wood was quiet dry. Didnt Crack at all
Nice! This was also elm
New subscriber--glad I found your channel!
Thanks🙏
Very cool video and I think yours turned out better than Clay's did! Thanks for sharing.
Your welcome
Pretty pup brother!! And wow I didn't know u had to heat treat them thanks for sharing
Great video!
Muito bom amei
Flot holmegård replica!👍🏻
I have been making a few Osage bows including a bendy bow which I love. I have some hickory ready and plan to heat treat and fire harden them. The white woods are a little more tricky in some ways but can make great bows. great video again my friend
Thanks!
Bow barbecue with your new buddy Thor, don’t get much better👍🏹🤠
Haha🤣
Maestro mirastes el video de clay Hayes verdad!!? Bonito lazo 👍🏽🏹
Thor is a handsome Vizsla, and that's a good looking bow. If you plan to hunt Thor, introduce him to the gun carefully. I once had a big beautiful Vizsla. He was a great pet, but his previous master ruined him as a hunter. He was so gunshy the sight of a shotgun frightened him.
Thanks! Yeah I will be carefull with gun sounds🙂
String follow is very normal. Even composite bows get "string follow" even though u can bend them back to straight
Молодец- супер. Какая скорость твоего лука померь?) И вытяг?
Is that a bow you might sinew or rawhide back? Never have fire hardened a bow, gonna have to give that a try! Great video
It’s also my first time! It shoulden’t be nessesary to back it, so I’ll just see how it holds up and learn from that
You have to split and expose the wooden logs to moving air if you don't intend to smoke them
Thanks for making this! I've seen Thad/Keith's video and Clay's as well, but it's always nice to see another variation! How did you make your form? I'm mainly interested in how you created the curve.
Thanks! The form is made of an old roof plank! I dont know what it’s called in English, but one of the planks you are laying the roof on top of, on a House . I just worked it with my draw knife until it had the shape
Puppies make everything better.
Hola cuántas horas se deja tapado con la lona el arco , quedó muy bueno
Thanks, but I dont understand the question
I once bought a moisture meter for this and then learned you apparently have to drive the pins into the wood the whole way to get accurate readings, so I guess not terribly useful for bows. Maybe they can measure the very outer layer. If you force moisture out with heat you definitely need to allow it to stabilize for a week or two before shooting or its too dry and brittle.
I’m Only using the moisture meter to compare, not for accurate reading. Yes it helps to let it stay after firehardening. I’ve made a couple more afterwards with greater results.
@@peterjuulsgaard Thanks looked like a great bow hope you have a great day
What is the backset of that bow now,maybe you have used it a bit and left it strung for longer periods, I ask because I am experimenting with the same process, must say tho I have'nt gone to the stage of actually blackening the wood, maybe I need to!!
This bow exploded one day without warning! I actually think I was hardening the wood to much.
Them selfbows are fun but handshock and durability is the reason I. Dont take
mine when I go to the woods
It’s also the durability and efficiency that stops me. I need to many pounds to meet the requirement of our country
@@peterjuulsgaard yes I have to shoot 70 pound english longbow made but the Welshman to get the speed of my 50 pound black widow ma 11 recurve
Goood
Peter you are a primitive archer now what' the name from the dog?
No I’m not a primitive archer, I just like to tingle with it😀 Thor sounds better to me than Fido, Rufus etc.
What was the wood you fire hardened? I am working on a mulberry stave I am. Going to doe the same with
Good luck. This was elm
the chineese and japanees do thaat to the bamboo. the elm bow I made was a noodle, but when heated it was super., and too the elm in my region is light brown.
Nice
Schöner 🐕
Hello peter, how long did you keep that bow under the fire to get that color on the belly part?
One hour to fire harden it.
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peter is there another type of glue i can use instead of hide glue? getting to a point where hide glue smells to much. does titebond glue make a supplement
I use Titebond 3
Hi Peter. As a user of XC morrison limbs, what can you say about their vibration ? Do the vibrate more then a normal curved limbs?
They do vibrate more than regular recurve limbs! But limbsavers helps alot, and they are not robbing the speed if placed correct! However one of my buddies have Uukha Irbis limbs, and they don’t vibrate less, than the Morrison.
how fast does the bow shoot? u r ok richard
I haven’t scaled it
@@peterjuulsgaard some day let us know,, somewhere around 170 fps? i am curious, that's all
How did you make your form?
I just made the form with a drawknife.
Don't sand off the dark stuff that is the hard stuff
What does climatizing the bow do
Well, it’s not a good idea to tiller and bend it when it’s still hot! But we can argue about wether it needs to cool down slowly, or fast, I dont know. I just do it slowly
No I'm just wondering what it does. I wanted to know if it helps to cool it slowly I'm just Always willing to learn I don't want to argue
@@joshuahindle1392 I can’t say if there is any difference. This is also my first hardening session
Ok
Were you meaning to ask more generally about why you want the moisture content low before tillering the bow?
Doesn't matter how much it "follows the string" beyond the straight line. It matters how much it "follows the string" over all.
Bows with "set back" in general are stressed much more than straight bows , so they have to be thinner and wider than a straight bow.
It's a false assumption that setting back a bow would help with stringfollow.
No the back set doesent help against string follow, but the firehardening does. The back set helps with performance
Good evening Peter 😃 One consideration & I'm not sure it's applicable for Bows 🤔 The Australian aboriginal community placed their boomerangs & nulla's in clay pits about 2 feet deep & packed the clay ! On top of that was their camp fire for 6 to 9 months & then remove 😃 I would love to trial the concept with a hand shaped bow when i have available time 🤔
Ha ha! I haven’t heard of that before! Good luck
@@peterjuulsgaard 🤣 Potentially Peter ! My lifestyle engagement has limitations to several possibilities of projects 🤫 Surfing , Rock climbing & Work only leave Myself with minimal spare time 🙃
@@darrenmarney8577 I know it! Only 24 hours pr day!