What irks me about this mechanic is the inability to directly mentor U21/U18 players using players from the first team. Mentor and mentee need to both be in the same team, so in order to get the aforementioned done, one has to send a young player to train with the first team. That seems like a fine idea but when you do that, either the U21/U18 matches (that you want the mentee to play because he needs to stay fit) come on first team training days so they miss training, or first team matches prevent the young player training. So overall, the level of training the player receives is massively reduced compared to if they stayed with the U21s. What's the alternative? You can't just bring in old emergency backup players to play in the U21s - if their reputation and standing isn't high enough in hierarchy/dynamics, they will not successfully transfer their personality to the mentees. What all this means is mentoring, although possible in the U21s/U18s, is really only for the first team, for players who are young, will train with the first team and who will not play in U21 matches and will play a decent number of games throughout a season for the first team. That means that when they are developing at their fastest pace, players with balanced or worse personalities at 16-21 years old who aren't first team ready will not be able to improve at a rate that means their potential will be ever fulfilled. In my opinion, that's a bit shit. On top of these unnecessary complications, you also have staff, regardless of their quality, giving you the absolute worst possible advice about who would be a good mentor or who would benefit from mentoring. So for someone new to FM or not wise to this rubbish, they are walking into a minefield. The old tutoring system was better. Sure, you could fill your team with high reputation Professional or better personality players and transfer it quite reliably to create a dynasty of very nice people that generate brilliant player development forever, but there was also that random chance the players would fall out, the tutee would refuse to be tutored after you paid through the nose to sign him, or for whatever reason, the tutoring was unsuccessful.
Great video Jake. Quick question from me, would you use mentoring in the under 21 or under 18 squads too? And if so, would you take the same approach? Im never keen to bringing up a 15 or 16 yr old wonderkid into my first team squad even though i know i can set them to be available for u18 and u21 anyway.
i haven't watched the video yet but i definitely mentor under 21 players too basically anyone that has decent potential gets mentoring from me, there's really no reason to not do it
I've tried mentoring a few times but never seen it actually works. The personality rarely changes. To be fair though, I don't often do it for a few years, as I'm always buying and selling to improve the clubs finances. Has anyone else used mentoring and seen it works?
Currently on a Level 10 patch save 7 seasons deep with Worcester Raiders. Back in the Southern League I signed a CB who was “unambitious” but needed his stats, mentored him with a Model Citizen and he’s now “fairly professional” Also saw someone go from Temperamental to Fickle in a season. It’s great!
I just started a new save with HSV in the 2nd Bundesliga and I only see the personality of like 15 players who dont have a club. Is that normal? My scouting budget isnt amazing but still, this feels very low.
No. In fact it slows their development some to do so and then have them play in u21 or u18 at the same time. I would just put the guys with bad personalities or low determination in Senior to try to "fix" them. The rest can wait until the can at least get some playing time in senior squad.
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Always thought I’ve done mentoring wrong.
Will save this video!
Never knew about mentoring thanks for showing us
What irks me about this mechanic is the inability to directly mentor U21/U18 players using players from the first team. Mentor and mentee need to both be in the same team, so in order to get the aforementioned done, one has to send a young player to train with the first team. That seems like a fine idea but when you do that, either the U21/U18 matches (that you want the mentee to play because he needs to stay fit) come on first team training days so they miss training, or first team matches prevent the young player training. So overall, the level of training the player receives is massively reduced compared to if they stayed with the U21s. What's the alternative? You can't just bring in old emergency backup players to play in the U21s - if their reputation and standing isn't high enough in hierarchy/dynamics, they will not successfully transfer their personality to the mentees.
What all this means is mentoring, although possible in the U21s/U18s, is really only for the first team, for players who are young, will train with the first team and who will not play in U21 matches and will play a decent number of games throughout a season for the first team. That means that when they are developing at their fastest pace, players with balanced or worse personalities at 16-21 years old who aren't first team ready will not be able to improve at a rate that means their potential will be ever fulfilled. In my opinion, that's a bit shit.
On top of these unnecessary complications, you also have staff, regardless of their quality, giving you the absolute worst possible advice about who would be a good mentor or who would benefit from mentoring. So for someone new to FM or not wise to this rubbish, they are walking into a minefield.
The old tutoring system was better. Sure, you could fill your team with high reputation Professional or better personality players and transfer it quite reliably to create a dynasty of very nice people that generate brilliant player development forever, but there was also that random chance the players would fall out, the tutee would refuse to be tutored after you paid through the nose to sign him, or for whatever reason, the tutoring was unsuccessful.
Another legendary vid
Great video Jake. Quick question from me, would you use mentoring in the under 21 or under 18 squads too? And if so, would you take the same approach?
Im never keen to bringing up a 15 or 16 yr old wonderkid into my first team squad even though i know i can set them to be available for u18 and u21 anyway.
i haven't watched the video yet but i definitely mentor under 21 players too
basically anyone that has decent potential gets mentoring from me, there's really no reason to not do it
I've tried mentoring a few times but never seen it actually works. The personality rarely changes. To be fair though, I don't often do it for a few years, as I'm always buying and selling to improve the clubs finances.
Has anyone else used mentoring and seen it works?
Currently on a Level 10 patch save 7 seasons deep with Worcester Raiders. Back in the Southern League I signed a CB who was “unambitious” but needed his stats, mentored him with a Model Citizen and he’s now “fairly professional”
Also saw someone go from Temperamental to Fickle in a season.
It’s great!
I took control of a players personal training how i give it back to the assistant manager?
I just started a new save with HSV in the 2nd Bundesliga and I only see the personality of like 15 players who dont have a club. Is that normal? My scouting budget isnt amazing but still, this feels very low.
is it not recommended to put a young player who has higher determination than the mentor?
just wondering do the younger players all need be in the senior squad
No. In fact it slows their development some to do so and then have them play in u21 or u18 at the same time.
I would just put the guys with bad personalities or low determination in Senior to try to "fix" them.
The rest can wait until the can at least get some playing time in senior squad.
If you add a u18 or u21 player to a Senior Squad Training Unit, you can add them via Ask Assistant.
You have no control whatsoever though.
Use the development centre and your head of sports development will recommend to you which player is ready to step up
Should I add more than 3 players in one group?
Have you ever tried teaching a player a trait that the designated mentor has to see if they learn it quicker?
My player development always craters when I try to mentor. The guaranteed way to make my young prospects get worse instead of better. 😆