Justice, Fakes, and Sexuality in Nisemonogatari
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Nisemonogatari has a reputation among some for being the most fanservice heavy, least interesting entry in the Monogatari franchise. However, from its themes of justice and imposters to the use of sexuality to drive its character dynamics, Nise has plenty of substance to it. While it may have a very different style than Bake, that doesn't mean it has any less substance. With that, today I dive into what makes Nisemonogatari a worthy successor in this hugely popular franchise.
This video has major spoilers for Nise, so if you haven't completed the series, I'd advise you not to watch this yet.
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"This is why Nise is good"
**Platinum Disco plays**
Me: I guess you're right.
Grhm, *blushes and brushes teeth*
What is this slower version of platinum disco called it’s so good
Oh it’s bird of death if anyone wants to know
@@bananyawn Piano version: ruclips.net/video/NHq1VCAuLGc/видео.html - or this orchestral version: ruclips.net/video/vbKKW_cTTCk/видео.html - if not just search for Platinum Disco slow, there's a number of matches.
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Kaiki even says in Monogatari Second Series that fakes are more valuable than the real thing because they are managing to make you think that they are the real thing.
Kaiki is the best girl.
True. Kaiki is my 2nd favorite male character.
Arararagi was, is, and will always be the best male character in the show though.
Kaiki and the other specialists are all defined by the value they place on the false vs the real. The mentor cares about how others answer but refuses to engage, her disciples each have an answer and reject the ideals of the other two, and Araragi is too young and naive to have a philosophical standpoint, instead taking things on a case by case basic. Superficially this makes him resemble his own mentor, Oshino, but Oshino is guided by an ethos for the most part, not personal entanglements.
@@HaloFTW55 Of course Araragi will be best male cause Kaiki is best girl then again so is every girl.
Artyom Liu you flubbed it!
Did people really not like Nisemonogatari? I enjoyed every second of it and could notice and appreciate everything you said in this video.
As did I, everyone to their own i guess
I liked it, actually.
I too liked Nisemonogatari... a lot. And not just because I could fap to it if I want to I generally think it's one of the most interesting anime I've seen. Even within it's own series it's a unique oddity.
some people have sister or brother so they hate incestion and monogatari series were dull really dull forme when i start like watching this they slap me with incestion and child shits
Fair Enough ^^
It's pretty ironic how tsukihi is a complete imposter and fake but she is always honest to herself and to everyone else as shown in zoku owarimonogatari.
Zoku owari is tying up all,loose strings from the past series so yeah. I think thats why.
And alsi nisio isin is a very very great writer to tie rhose strings
can we also point out how she always gives solid advice to koyomi? Nisemonogatari is probably my favorite in the series cuz it talks about koyomi's sisters, where they were quite underrated in bakemonogatari. Koyomi always comes home and meet them and talk about their problems. Seeing their side of the story was a breath of fresh air for me and I really loved tsukihi's arc more than anyone else.
hahalord you’re not understanding what a “fake” is in the manner the show means it. Although this isn’t completely wrong
@@AshtonJamesDCaspe and then NisiOisiN takes "the final" story and slaps that shit into the fifth dimension by writing two more seasons and the second one isn't even finished
NO SPOILERS PLZZZZZ I DIDNT WATCHED ZOKU OWARIMONOGATARI ;(
Kinda disappointed you didn't go more in depth in Kaiki's fake-ness. Bakemonogatari has taught us that the exorcists/specialists are very knowledgeable in mythology but are also quite religious. Kaiki, on the other hand, is very pragmatic, discounts the supernatural aspect of exorcising and believes that all supernatural afflictions, like curses, are brought on by the power of suggestion and/or self-hypnosis. This is clearly demonstrated when he "curses" Karen. He touches her just like a mentalist would hypnotize a member of his audience who is highly susceptible to suggestion.
But is Kaiki really fake compared to the other specialists because he can't see spirits/gods/apparitions/oddities? In the real world a mentalist like Derren Brown who explains all of his acts of hypnosis with hard science is considered more real than the charlatans/faith healers/etc. who try to sell themselves as conduits of some spiritual energy or God.
Of course, it all depends on where your beliefs lie as a viewer. If you're religious, you regard Oshino as real and Kaiki as fake. But if you're not religious, you would probably see Oshino as fake and Kaiki as real.
he is like fake fake :D "he doesn't believe in spirits, gods etc" you don't need to believe if you know with proof that such things exist
Keep in mind that Kaiki is also a liar. His word that something is fake is meaningless. Oshino, him, and whatshername all have the same training. He even performs a truly supernatural act in the second season when he pulls literal godhood out of Nadeko. He seems to lean heavily into the fact that most supernatural things only manifest due to human mental states drawing in power (vampires being a big exception) and giving them form, so he goes directly to the human mind to deal with these issues.
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its kind of hard to notice that in nise though
"Things that try to look like things often do look more like things than things." ~Terry Pratchett
GNU Terry Pratchett
Definitely enjoyed the theme of Nisemonogatari. You should have covered the different perspectives of Oshini, Kagenui, and Kaiki on the idea of a the value of a fake and the real thing. Kaiki's seemingly fitting stance that the fake has more value, being a self-proclaimed conman himself, really brings the culminating climax of Tsukihi's role at the end while also hinting at Kaiki's true colors.
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There a weird static sound when you started to talk.
Trust me, I know. That made editing a living hell, but unfortunately I couldn't get rid of it nor could I re-record the audio. So you'll just have to grin and bear it for this video :( It stops once I start talking about Tsukihi Phoenix at least. (Anyone reading this, feel free to upvote this comment so everyone else can see. I'm sure a lot of people will be wondering about it)
Thank Haruhi I wasn't the only one, I thought something was wrong with my laptops audio.
Maybe put an annotation. Unplugged my headset a couple of times cause I thought it was a problem with that. Either way nice video and imo nise was the best after SS.
Good idea. Will do.
Oh thank god I thought my headphones were starting to go
"What happens when the fake is more real, than the real thing?" That's the line that stuck with me from Nisemonogatari.
Then it's not fake. That's what bothers me. If something is "more real" then it's by definition real or we need to change our vocabulary
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@@MrSuperman957 I know thats months ago but your entry lacks context. Its said on the last episode that "The fake has far more greater value than the real thing because of it's deliberate attempt to become the real thing. Thus, it becoming more real than the real thing"
I think this means that 'the way the fake does its best to become the real thing' is what makes it more real than the real thing.
Anyway the FAKE is still FAKE. BUT, the actions the fake does are more real than the real thing. Thats because the way the Fake tries its best to surpass the Real is truer to itself. Plus, taking a look at the other side, the only thing going for the Real thing, is the fact that its real
Conclusion: the fake can be more real than the real thing. So even if the fake is more real than the real thing, it cannot be the real thing because of course its a fake.
A Fake that can exceed the Real in Realness.
Edit: if your head can't comprehend then
1. the 'real thing' is a noun(a name noun)
2. the 'more real' is an adjective. simple as that. (I read again and you brought up vocabulary so... ye)
@@Kakakaka-ri2kr I get it. It just sounds like fantasy though.
Why would you even describe it as a fake, then?
its not fantasy its realistic lol you need to stop thinking of the technicality of the definition and understand the metaphor of it. Something that is fake tries to pass off or surpass the real thing that you might aswell consider it real. Kaiki is the perfect definition, he's a walking con artist, what do con artist do, Placebo the realness of their trade. He mastered his craft of imitating a spirit hunter that you might aswell consider him the real deal. He fooled araragi, the sisters, and even shinobu into thinking Karen was cursed even though it was just a hypnotism. Lets say, you were suffering a illness, and Kaiki cured you with "divine spirits" even though he simply performed a hypnotism on you that you believed. You might aswell consider him just as real as a actual spirit hunter.
Oh, this is nice. Good to see an honest look at Nisemonogatari that isn't just sarcastic humor and a bunch of slandering of the show and how it didn't live up to it's predecessor. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to your analyses of the Second Season and beyond.
If I remember correctly didn't Nisio write these Nise as a throw away for one for fun anyway?
It essentially started as a personal doujin Nisio was writing for himself that he never intended to publish, but he got convinced to. I've heard it was because of the sucess of the Bakemonogatari anime. The thing is, I don't believe Nisio just said okay and released it unedited. I think he definitely sat down and injected some substance and meaning into it if it wasn't already there (if anyone's gonna write a doujin this thought provoking it's Nisio Isin.) If he did literally release an un-edited doujin as a novel then that makes Nise even more impressive to me, it just works as a show.
Seeing both of koyomi's eyes has to be the scariest thing ever
Wow, you really grasped the central themes and imagery of this part of the series, and elaborated upon them so eloquently too.
Can't wait to see what you have to say about Monogatari Second Season.
lmao no joke I actually cried during second season. you can probably guess when. It's definitely my favorite monogatari season probably followed by this one, nise.
Really?. I found Owarimonogatari to be my favorite. it's so dark and conspiracy like.
I love Nise the most. Try rewatching it, it's an entirely different experience after you've seen the Second Season and Kizu. You start seeing foreshadowing, plot hooks, succint explanation of the entire magical system, and so on.
I prefer kizu mainly the LN because of the perfect balance between comedy, action, and heavy dialogue. That the LN brings while making the characters feel alive with the little things that they do and araragi's inner monologue on everything that's happening. This is why i prefer the LN to the movies.
SUS Yeah, I watched the Kizu movies after Bake because I’m going in LN order and found Kizu to be lacking compared to Bake and Nise because it was missing the things you mentioned. The tone change from slow and mysterious to in-your-face action was very jarring. Maybe I’ll give the LN a try.
Kaiki's statement about fakes and the value of fakes actually left me the deepest impression out of the entire monogatari franchise
personally, I thoroughly enjoyed Nise. while it's not the best entry or the most popular one; it still matters in the context of the series. while I have nothing to add to what you said, I still feel obligated to say that Nisemonogatari has some of the best social commentary in the series. everyone is faking at least one aspect of themselves and Nise does a great job of portraying that.
Man that slow platinum disco playing towards the end is awesome!!!
It’s Shide no tori / Bird of Death if you want to find it.
What really interested me was Araragi's conviction to lie and deceive to his family if necessary, and thusly become the very "evil" that he was fighting against (personified by Kaiki) in Karen Bee's arc, because whatever the truth about Tsukihi's origin, she was his sister, and he her brother, and he would do anything to preserve that. It's in this stance that he takes that we can see how the fake can be stronger, or as Kaiki puts it, overwhelmingly more valuable, than the real. It's a conscious striving towards something that requires knowledge about it and passion for it to succeed. How can that be worth anything less than what is genuine, yet potentially ignorant of the details of it's own nature?
There's an obvious counterpoint to this, but the questions this position raises are worth exploring, and we find that there is a spectrum between is and ought, and anyone worth their salt should be striving for something they are not quite yet.
Very good defense of the good parts of Nisemonogatari. I'm glad you liked it so much, myself being somebody that had a hard time trudging through the slower pace and overindulgence on fanservice. I feel like you're gonna love the rest of what this series has to offer. And some of those later arcs... Bring a tissue, man. (And not for the same reasons as in Nise :v)
"And not for the same reasons as in Nise" loool my sides are in orbit
kaiki is such a baller oh my god. HAVE YOU HEARD HIM SING!?!
Best heroin, our best girl !!
I just finished the light novels for Nisemonogatari, so now I can finally watch this! It's a great video!
In my opinion, I liked 'Tsukihi Phoenix" more than "Karen Bee". Phoenix just had a bunch of really heartwarming moments, that I really loved.
I love the toothbrush scene in context. I came to the series (partially) because of it and it was hilarious in context. I still giggle when its mentioned.
How long will I scroll before I find an Among Us impostor meme?
The reason why Araragi suggests the game was cuz Kanbaru once mentioned how brushing someone else's teeth can be super erotic
You're putting the toothbrush which becomes basically an extension of your own body inside someone else's
LoL.
Seems Legit.
Everyone talking about which one of the Monogatari Series is their favorite, and I'm here like: "Nah, I don't care, all of them are my favorite anime."
"Isn't meant to be sexual" yes I'm sure that's why it's presented in such a way; most people choose to view it as one or the other I suppose. Some dismiss it or look past it and focus on something they deem to be of profound thought, much like others dismiss all context and scrutinise its content.
To be fair, much of anime tend to be sexual. I've yet to watch anything that isn't. The only difference Nisemonogatari makes is provide context and meaning to those otherwise meaninglessly erotic contents, something that anime as an art form has grown comfortable in adopting.
@@JohnSmith-op3qj that's fair, I still really appreciate that a show can have as much fanservice as Nose does and all of it serves a purpose.
@@JohnSmith-op3qj you’re a weirdo
damn, your mic crackles so much on this... my headphones can't handle it whether the content is good or bad... really gotta do something about that for people with brighter headphones.
I heard he made the tooth brush scene because he was talking with someone and they mentioned to him that it's pretty impossible to make a mundane task sexualized
Nisemonogatari actually gave me the resolve to continue the series, and I never regretted it.
The analysis of some of the characters was so well done I just assumed you had seen all of monogatari. Now I just want to rewatch the whole thing.
Yo, Jack. I'm happy for you. I'm gonna let you finish, but Nisemonogatari has the best fanservice of all time. OF ALL TIME!
Great vid and glad to see another one of your videos and opinions on a topic close to my heart.
The OST (King of Strangeness) for the entrance of Shinobu into the scene in Nisemonogatari is in my view another interesting ornament to the "fakes" in the theme that basically Nisemonogatari is revolving around. The OST itself sounds oddly similar to double violin concerto by Bach and something close to Vivaldi that I initially thought it is actually some baroque composition from that era that I had not known of. Turns out it's actually original composition intended to mimic the baroque feel, to which I believe is actually pretty successful. It does somehow seemed through just the music it is trying to hint at a fake can resemble well the real thing and actually earns credit of its own.
Oh well maybe I'm just overthinking lol.
Actually that feeling is probably completely Intentional.
I loved your video! Nisemonogatari really is amazing and even its "fanservice" has an important purpose and function for the characters. However, as much as the artistic direction of the toothbrush scene is phenomenal and there are some small plot points that support the existence of that scene, as you well exemplified, I still don't understand some details: why were the brothers so excited? And what can we take from it that powers up his characterizations?
Okay, throughout the work we see how Aragagi's sisters have a very intimate relationship with him, with some sexual tension between them here and there. However, I can't extract any great meaning from this toothbrush scene that makes it essential to the story. Which makes me believe that she is one of the few that doesn't have a great narrative function, but that it works, and it's no wonder that it became iconic due to the bizarreness and creativity of the situation.
Im in the middle of second season right now but id still say that nise has been my favorite so far by quite a bit idk what it was exactly but i loved every second of it and the tooth brush scene has to be up there as one of the oddest yet greatest things ive ever seen lol
One important thing about the Monogatari Series is that you should always have in mind in which perspective the story is told because as I think you have already seen it is told very subjectively of Koyomi's POV until 'now' (in Bake and Nise) - and a little bit of Karen' POV if I remember correctly (the encounter with Kaiki).
Yeah, because the series is shown through Araragi's perspective, the sexual shots of Hanekawa make sense, because he does sexualize her in his mind.
great review, it is indeed going to be one hell of a ride, stopped inbetween arcs at Owari myself, waiting for more releases to come out before devouring all that's left of such masterpiece!
I just finished watching Nisemonogatari, and I would say I enjoyed it a lot less than Bakemonogatari, and some of it was the ramp up in uncomfortable fanservice, but more it was how languidly paced it felt. I never got that from Bakemonogatari even though a couple episodes were basically just long conversations there, too.
not questioning the thematics, the confrontation with Kaiki is utterly brilliant, and if Araragi wasn't so constantly doing weird shit to his sisters the final episode might have hit quite a lot better. the fanservice is less of an issue than Araragi's grossness being taken a bit too far.
the toothbrush scene was insanely funny though
Duuuude you made me stay till the last second of video with marshmallow justice, and you were right, this is a freaking rollercoaster
And then you learn that Nadeko was the real imposter all along.
I love this series so much, I read Kizumonogatari twice now and can't wait for them to follow up on Koyomimonogatari.
I've always viewed the main intention of the toothbrush scene to be the comedy, it made me laugh at how absurd and over-the-top the whole scene was.
Aside from being funny, I thought it actually did provoke some thought. In the most fan-servicey entry of the franchise, the most uncomfortable thing was Araragi brushing her teeth, which is exactly what he said it would be lol
Looking forward to your thoughts on Second Season and Owarimonogatari has some of my favorite arcs that really delve deep into how the only way to solve the problems of these girls is to address the root cause of them.
Nise is one of my favourite arcs in the entire show, if notbthe favourite.
I love the light-heartedness, the brightness of its premise. It's mostly downtime for the characters, a vacation. We get to see Araragi simply having fun (and "fun") with the entire cast with no immediate life-threatening danger for most of the episodes.
End even when there is danger, it's not a depressing self-destructive internal conflicts that we see in the other arcs. The conflict is mostly external, and victory is obtained through staying true to yourself than through changing yourself.
I love how positive this story is and how bright.
1:00 Ok, I'm platinum happy :3
I've been waiting for a new video from you. I love how in depth you went defending this season because I really enjoyed it
Never thought to watch any of the monogatari series, but this video has inspired me to check it out. I was always interested in the visuals but it is good to know the show has character depth. Great editing and voice work as per usual. ;)
Gonna stop you there 15 seconds in. Nise us the best part. Karen and tsuki are mah girls. Nise is my favorite part
and if you watched the fucking video, he literally defends it.
@@jaewilczynski4092 nice necropost homie. But you go on searching deep into comments to get outraged. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
@@zoidsfan12 oh i didn't notice the posting date, lol
Awesome video! Probably my one of my faves for you. I still really like Nise, and I agree with majority of your points. Your analysis of this season was spot on.
2:37 my look when I hear people talk about fanservice.
Embrace the fanservice! Only slaves bitch about it
They got away with so many things that it's almost criminal to point them and show that you view it in such a way. I love discussion about this series. You see into people's mindset and way of thinking. World view
I really enjoyed the scene of shinobu and araragi bathing together especially because it wasn’t sexualized and served to show me just how close of a relationship they had together for the first time.
That's my favorite scene in Nise, not just due to what you said, but also because of they finally reconcile all their hatred from Kizu and how much they clearly care for one another despite everything
Also this is the scene that officially introduced one of my face chars do there's that too.
Edit: typos
I liked it too but I saw kizu after.
Kaiki best Grill
Eat your Meat :^)
These things are quite easy to notice. Anyone miss it if they didn't try to comprehend it really. Well it is wrong to talk about another series. But this thing is also a major part in Emiya Shirou's character arc. He is literally a character who only save someone for his pleasure. He try to find a true villian. So he can save other. Whole fate stay night especially ubw is the realisation of shirou of this fact. This fact of fakes but accpting this fake in realistic way. He decided to guide them not save them. He decided accept both despair and hope, happiness & suffering in his path. He learns from it. A hero is just a scapegoat for others. A way to become victim. So that they can show their goodness. That's the resolution of shirou. Everything you said in this video and also main theme of nisemonogatari is the true realisation of shirou in the end.
I’m currently watching it just now. Glad to stumble upon ur videos
good vid but the silent ticking in the background makes me feel more uncomfortable then my mom walking in me watching the tooth brush scene
It's cool how you can even mash up the title translation in a way that kinda works, helps give insight as to the type of writer nisioisin is
god i love this video, it summarises most of what makes nise one of my favourite pats of the monogatari series. I think this is my third or fourth time watching it, I know this is a late comment but keep up the good work
OMG at 6:17 you just gave me the idea that maybe all of them can be translated like that, here is what I have (in order of the novels) (SPOILER ALERT: little spoiler on Otorimonogatari):
bakemono (monster) + monogatari (story) = monstory
kizu (wounds, but i'll use hurts) + monogatari = hurtstory (her story) ya, her
nisemono + monogatari = impostory like you have
neko (cat(s)) + monogatari = catstory (cat's/cats' story)
* Japanese don't have plural form (maybe adding -tachi is the closest) , it is mostly implied by having a unit that indicate multiple ones
Hana (flower) + monogatari = flower story (this is the one I got stuck on
otori (decoy) + monogatari (digress but this one is more interesting on the kanji for otori 囮 it is literally a bake(mono)(化け(物)) inside a box, could imply what Nadeko really is since she doesn't trust anyone but also, the decoy part could meant Kaiki using himself as decoy to deal with nadeko)
other ones that can make combining words are
tsukimonogatari = possesstory (possess+story)
Orokamonogatari = foolstory (fool + story, maybe implied full story?)
meh, I got tire, didn't look at the rest lol
Leon Chen took me 5 hours to read this good book
Commie actually did 11 different portmanteaus when subbing Nisemonogatari, one for each episode.
Despite of the fanservice, this arc have the most solid theme in the whole Monogatari Series anime.The concept of "fake" really showcase in different ways(being fake of Kaiki,fake about the Fire Sisters and fake about Tsukihi).And the quote of Kaiki really stuck me in my mind up until now. (Fake is far more value than the real thing.)
The philosophical statement about fakes being more valuable than the real thing was what makes me treat this as my favorite (and, possibly, best singular) part of Monogatari.
I just have to say that this video (the second one I watched from this channel) made me fall in love with you man
Watching this in post-among us era makes it bizzare experience combining surreal humor and deep philosophical analysis
ahh good old monogatari the anime series that confused my over developed 5th grade mind
(I’m not in 5th grade anymore I watched this anime years ago)
Stop reminding me how old I am. I was already finished with high school when I was watching this ... I think I already had a full time job.
And you must be old enough to vote. Unless you didn't watch it as it came out ... hmm
GriFFonRec4 I’m actually going to highschool now I just finished middle school-
The problem I have with most of the fanservice is that most if not all the 'fanserviced' girls are underage
Yeah, that makes it pretty hard for me to enjoy a lot of anime. It's... uh... unfun to be watching this stuff as an adult, especially when so many anime fans *aren't* put off by it
@@somedragonbastard damn I forgot I even commented this, its been a year lmao. But yeah, point still stands
Great in depth, informative and very well articulated as to your positions on everything in your reviews! Keep up the fantastic work!!!
The only thing the toothbrush scene did was made me realize i hadn't brushed my teeth yet
Hey I am a new viewer from reddit and I got to say amazing job! I cant wait to look through your older video's and am anxiously waiting for your next "under the scope". I also just finished the Monogatari series yesterday you have some good arcs in your future!
Thanks! Hope you stick around :)
I like every monogatari parts because the way monogatari kinda work is that every part multiply how good the others are(but I still like some more like hitagi end for exemple)
Knowing Kaiki as I do now, seeing his introduction in this season again is not only awesome, but so completely hilarious that it seems satirical. Like the idea of a supervillain if you imagined what form the word "supervillain" would take... except it's just a big, fat lie, which is also a Kaiki thing. Kaiki is the best waifu in a show full of amazing waifus.
"and I say that from experience
from experience
experience
experience
ence
nce"
WHAT?!
Nisemonogatari is actually one of the Best Entries & there’s a TON of Substance if you can look past the “Fan Service”. It’s part of the Duality.
Great video! I agree completely. Nise is at least on par with Bake for me. I thought the themes and slow pacing really served it well and allowed for a more in-depth exploration of these characters.
As for the toothbrush scene, I think that lends itself to the theme of fake vs real as well on some level. At the end of the day he’s just brushing her teeth, but the way it’s portrayed makes it feel like the most erotic thing in the world. And it definitely makes much more sense in context.
I really didn't know nise was disliked , it was probably my favorite of the seasons i've seen so far up to the the end of kanbaru's season two arc.
Hey dude, this was a strong video. I was really afraid it was gonna be a meandering rant, like Digibro.
Great video analysis, haven't watched Nisemonogatari yet but I look forward to watching it with what you've discussed here.
Omfg, the way you ended the video, was brilliant
I find araragi's monologue about family at the end of tsukihi phoenix one of the best scene of the whole series, up there with the end of mayoi's arc in the second season.
Now yt shows me toothbrush ads after watching this lmao
God damnit I fucking love monogatari. Its just art. Plain and (not so) simple art. Ughhhhh
I can't wait until it's been long enough that I forget some of its content so I can rewatch it in its entirety again.
The LNs are amazing too with even more dialogue and depth
Nise was fantastic thanks to both the killer music (which you can always count on from monogatari, but marshmallow justice and platinum disco are both fantastic and it has my second favorite ed in the series after Bake’s) and the incredible exploration of themes. Coming in blind other than the toothbrush and piggyback episodes, I only knew that the series was called “Fake story” and that Karen and Tsukihi were the stars. When I slowly began to realize all the different types of fakes the show provided, with Kaiki, the fire sisters, and tsukihi all being fakes in their own ways, I was surprised and thoroughly impressed. I still think Bake is the series peak, but Nise may be my second favorite even above second season as much as I like Tsubasa tiger, Nadeko Medusa, and Hitagi End, even if the fan service makes it hard to recommend to others and the episodes took forever to get to the sisters due to the strange first few episodes with Kanbaru, Hachikuji, and Nadeko in addition to the Senjougahara kidnapping plot (not saying any of these scenes were bad in the slightest, but they did slow the series down tremendously and affected the sisters plot very little).
I love this video. The monogatari series is my favorite anime series, hands down. A lot of my friends within the anime community complain about what you just explained, and it was really nice to hear someone else who understands the views and actions from each character. so thank you.
Including me.
@@nathanielduncan4692 R u srsly gonna do this on every video related on fanservice in Nisemonogatari?
@@dixieenormis1783 Uh yes i actually am going to do this,and you can't stop me.
@@nathanielduncan4692 ofc not.just do whatever u want.but I really dont agree with you.The anime is not clearly about all fanservice,the further installments proves my point
@@dixieenormis1783 I guess you mean the child moestation parts yeah seeing that makes me say that bakemontagari fans are pedophile neckbeards.
Oh my damn god, What a beautiful review, perfectly done...Grasped the beauty, visual style and theme of nise perfectly...This Review truly is one of the perfect ones...
I learned that Kaiki is the best girl. Snadeko a sassy bihh, Hanekawa (meddlecat) an emergy draining person to love which moves past you. Fucking ruthless. Shinobu's and Araragi's relationship can be viewed in a way that either one falls. But which one continues longer without sacrificing other. Its a bittersweet story. Somehow knowing that either one cant continue.
Oshino is in Araragis shadow, Araragi has no shadow. Is she behind him or in front of him. The shadow eats the host eventually.
Shinobu's episode where she tells about her being worshipped as a god. It goes from right to left, leaving destruction behind. She goes through a lot, stays still, moves forward. Idk. Its obv, cant form a point. But I like Shinobu, Kaiki and Oshino Meme the most. What it makes me.
Kanbaru is waif
I dunno, but I loved Nisemonogatari. Especially the bath scene with Shinobu & Araragi
(Not just because of the fanservice...)
Even though I hate fanservice, I prefer Nise to Bake, because arcs are more polished, style is more pleasant, music is awesome, and two best characters in the series are introduced: Kaiki and Shinobu (finally talking)
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Comment of the year right here
As a famous harem protagonist once said: There is no rule stating that the fake cant surpasses the original.
Is this protagonist also a top-class housewife with some really fucked up psychological issues?
The Rodrigosaurio Yes, yes he is.
Kaiki's theme song as well as the orchestral version of Platinum Disco are amazing
I just gotta say, your use of music in these videos is almost just as good as the use of music in the shows.
Oh boy i think you will love koimonogatari :D
I hope you dont take as long with monogatari second season.Either way you just earned a sub ^.^
Years late to this video, but have to comment lol
Yeah, I find the Monogatari series to be a perfect presentation of what anime (or rather, fiction Japan is most known for) can bring to the table.
It has all the shallow superficial visuals in form of action and fanservice you'd expect from a glance, but if you take a moment to look beneath it, what you find will blow your mind with how complex and detailed it all is. Brownie points for being thematically true to what the show is trying to convey lol
I started watching the Monogatari Series because of Nisemonogatari, when Araragi arrives at Kanbaru's room and she's completely nekkid.
I hope you enjoyed finishing the series so far
Man I've been waiting for this. Can't wait until you hit SS. Also nice to see you appreciate Nise rather than just calling it pointless, fanservice/ecchi.
Nisemonogatari is my favorite part. It is the most gorgeous looking part with my favorite characters. There is a reason I own these in both original Japanese kodansha box and English.
#Respect
I really like when sex is used to further the plot or elements of the characters. The best version of that I've seen was in the VN Katawa Shoujo, I can't explain much because it'll be spoilers but those sex scenes have in impact on the story(most of the time).
Great insight man honestly this series had some great important moments and introduces some great characters. seriously I adore this series and embrace it and all its weirdness...
Though had my sister walk in during the Shinobu part when I first watched it... Kinda awkward though later I convinced her to watch the series now she's also a fan. XD
Love tsukihi and that opening ...platinum love
didnt realize bake was by a different director than the rest of the show, i relly liked the directing in bake and was very sad when i noticed the rest of the show didnt have it
Big fan of this channel keep up the good work.
People think I'm just a fanservice junky sometimes when I tell them that Nise was the part of the series that ACTUALLY got me really into the franchise. The truth is that it's all of THIS kind of stuff that got me into it. I'm into these characters as people. They are all amazing. Bake was great, and I appreciate it MUCH more on rewatches, but Nise is genuinely what sold me on their individual stories. And yeah, the fact that it was conveyed through a lot of very sexual content is a big part of that. Not because I'm a pervert(I won't deny that though), but because it is often the most intimate moments that convey the most about people. Nise is indeed quite sexy at times, but to me, sexuality is a good thing, and very important to all of these characters. And really to anyone going through puberty and adolescence.
In my opinion, whether you like or dislike Nisemonogatari is directly related to what you do or don't appreciate about Bakemonogatari. Early on in Nise I was thoroughly enjoying it for the reasons you specified at the end of the video; the sense of nostalgia that came from returning to the world and characters that I grew to love in the first season. However, as it went on I began to tire of it simply because it wasn't delivering on the things I loved about Bake, especially moving into the second arc.
Put simply, what made Bake such an unforgettable experience for me was its densely interconnected writing of (almost) every arc and the palpable emotional impact. That's not to say that Nise isn't well written, but from my perspective it's a lot more simplistic than what I came to expect from Nisioisin, which, again, is by no means a criticism, it just isn't what I wanted. Also, while Bake gave me chills, watery eyes and a sense of indescribable wonder in many scenes, Nise didn't really have any kind of emotional impact on me, so naturally I don't think as highly of it as its predecessor.
On the other hand, if what you appreciate about the franchise is more along the lines of a combination of Shaft's fantastic visual storytelling/direction, Nisioisin's densely packed themes and ideas and its characterization, then this season will be every bit as impressive as Bake. I may be wrong, but from watching this video I get the impression that these are the things you appreciate about the series, which is totally cool. I'm actually really thankful that a perspective like yours exists, because I by no means think Nise is a bad entry to the franchise, and the fact that it's often characterized as such and memed so heavily that it's no longer taken seriously is a real shame. It's always interesting to see people who love and appreciate a series on the same level as yourself for completely different reasons.
Keep up the good work, mate. Been keeping up with you on Twitter, looking forward to whatever you have planned for Tsubasa Cat.