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0:23 Andrew doing bicep curls is underrated with the lightest weights while guys at my gym doing strict curls competition and having the shittiest biceps
You should as a Mr. Olympia ideally have the perfect statue-like Physique. Therefore.If two bodybuilders are comparable in muscle mass and quality, the taler man should win. If Andrew would win I think nobody could complain.
That makes no sense there's nothing inherently better about tall. Most only tall dude say that so your opinion carries little weight because y'all are such a small minority in the population.
The problem is that Andrew isn't as muscular for his frame as the other guys and his conditioning is nowhere near the top guys. Let's just make bodybuilding a height contest
@@colafarm1 Andrew has more pop than Derek and Samson from the front. I dont have him losing any front pose to Derek. its not about "height", its about how the muscles are distributed on the frame and the symetry of Samson and Andrew is hard to beat. I exclude Hadi because the quality he showed at the Arnold seems untouchable
Its not that short guys cant be aesthetic, martin or tonio have a realy good flow for example. I dont mind a short guy winning, but if someone looks like a block, thats not want people want to see. Another problem i see is the overobsession with glutes, like jay said. If condioning matters so much, they should look for the guy with the most details all around. How can someone win the Olympia who is only sharp in 2 body parts?
Across every division, Asian pros just seem to have great difficulty growing their backs. When we get an Asian pro who has mastered growing their back, theyll likely be a champion
its genetics unfortunately. we grow quads easier then white people averagely, but the prefered aesthetic doesn't require that much size from quads comparing to back
If the judges want to fetishize one body part the sport would be better off if they put all that emphasis on requiring a tight midsection with deep abdominal separation instead. It makes sense, the midsection ties everything together and if it’s off it has the potential to ruin any physique.
I don't understand why judges or people in the bodybuilding community will cherry pick with some guys over one bodypart being off. Ramy is a good example with his tricep. Then you got the new champ that has zero detail in the front of his whole body. Just wins purely off structure! Or his back.
Guy's guys,if they judge it the way it should be then there is no argument Andrew jack is the best X FRAME, in the Mr O , and if he comes in peeled with that shape, we should have a new Mr O , but like always politics,. Andrew for the WIN, u can't deny it you don't want to f,,k with me,,, 2pac, even said it
If it's judged by the written rules Hadi and Derek are the best if it's judged on some tall dudes opinion then Andrew should win but luckily y'all opinion carries little weight because y'all are such a small minority in the population.
End of the day bodybuilding is a business, If a average person sees a bodybuilder like Andrew who looks like a statue that attracts them into the sport or in general to the fitness industry.Thats the way to popularize the sport.
That won't work because he's too tall the average worldwide male height is 5'7 so people like Derek is a better representative. Mostly only tall dudes will like Andrew so the sport will lose fans.
@@anushrajapaksha5098 By Andrew win the Olympia will gain tall dude fan but lose short fans and tall dudes are such a small minority of the population so overall they will lose fans, what part you don't get?
@@granddaddyofthemall6320 tall dude fans what is this guy smoking 😆😆 the whole point is to get people into the industry and popularize the sport.Andrew’s physique is what a Mr Olympia looks like, that motivates people to get into the gym and workout , what does it have to be tall or short.
@@anushrajapaksha5098Why would Andrew attract more fans than Derek? You said Andrew is what a MR.O should look like according to who? See you are missing the point Andrew is not going to attract more fans than Derek the only reason you are saying that is because you are tall, do you get that?
Classic physique should value shape over conditioning. Classic guys didn't have shredded ass cheeks. Push for modern conditioning is part of what makes them look less classic than they otherwise would and I don't think you just keep looking "better"as you get leaner and Leaner. The weight restriction is just a cheap way to hold back athletes and stop the judges from actually having to do the job they're paid for. If someone comes in too big for their frame the judges should be able to handle that by marking them down not by forcing them into a given weight . As it is now the tall guys just have too much of an advantage in size
They should end that policy that places extremely short guys well. Everybody knows it is easier to fill out such short frames, and that it is a far greater achievement to fill out a taller frame. They should also punish fake muscle, like what Hadi has in his shoulders and Andrew in his calves.
Andrew doesn’t have fake muscle in his calves lol. He had good calves before turning pro. They continue to grow just like every other muscle when bodybuilding
If you think shorter guy have it easy to build enough muscle to win contest you got it wrong its hard to get enough muscle to get the judges to look at you when you're 5'5'' and everybody else is 5'10 or 6 foot ask Danny Pedia or Lee Priest so get to the gym put some hevey weight on the bar and build a winning Physique no excuses
It is a beauty contest. Best looking body. It’s not a condition contest. A guy with terrible shape but shredded to the bone shouldn’t win. Olympia judging is too inconsistent. Derek has terrible conditioning from the front, yet he won the Olympia over guys who were way more conditioned. Derek doesn’t even have great shape.
Andrew can’t build up those forearms with those limp wrist curls 🤦🏻♂️. I understand that he has short forearm muscles 💪🏽 bellies (just like me). However, he can build them up with better arm curl form and hitting them directly. I picked up my forearm workouts from arm wrestlers.
@@colafarm1 They are as IMPORTANT as mass and Conditionning. With the same muscle mass and conditioning, proportion and symmetry are the deciding factors. Aesthetic counts. Olympia 2023 with Dereck as champion is proof of that. Phil Heath's loss to Shawn Roden in 2018 is another proof. Aesthetic DEFINITLY counts. Guys with unpleasant shape like, Nick Walker, will never be M.O.
Bro what lol genetics play into everything. Even how thin your skin is. So your parents will always matter. You're just choosing conditioning over everything else.
@@36louieboy But the real point is tall is not better genetics mostly only tall dudes think that so that carries little weight because y'all are such a small minority in the population. At the end of the day this is a muscle building contest so the person with the most muscle on their frame with conditioning and the right ratios should win because that shows who put in the work more than something arbitrary.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320if a taller guy has better ratios because he's tall he shouldn't be discriminated against. Shorter guys look wider and bigger and can pack on more muscle usually should they be given more consideration then? Every height is gonna have a pro and con. If taller guys appear more aesthetic it is what it is. Shorter guys have always had the advantage in open hence why most BB are Shorter.
@@36louieboy I don't think tall dudes have better male proportions. Meaning tall dudes a lot of times have long legs for their height that's feminine proportion, example Look at Andrea Shaw she is all legs you can really see it when she turns around her back is so short. Long legs short torso looks feminine and dainty.
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0:23 Andrew doing bicep curls is underrated with the lightest weights while guys at my gym doing strict curls competition and having the shittiest biceps
Alot of pros do this tho? Lol
Strength vs appearance
You should as a Mr. Olympia ideally have the perfect statue-like Physique. Therefore.If two bodybuilders are comparable in muscle mass and quality, the taler man should win.
If Andrew would win I think nobody could complain.
That makes no sense there's nothing inherently better about tall. Most only tall dude say that so your opinion carries little weight because y'all are such a small minority in the population.
The problem is that Andrew isn't as muscular for his frame as the other guys and his conditioning is nowhere near the top guys. Let's just make bodybuilding a height contest
@@colafarm1 Right again.
@@colafarm1 Andrew has more pop than Derek and Samson from the front. I dont have him losing any front pose to Derek.
its not about "height", its about how the muscles are distributed on the frame and the symetry of Samson and Andrew is hard to beat.
I exclude Hadi because the quality he showed at the Arnold seems untouchable
At the end of the day, it is still bodybuilding contest, and there are some rules. It's not only about aesthetics, so I would complain.
Its not that short guys cant be aesthetic, martin or tonio have a realy good flow for example. I dont mind a short guy winning, but if someone looks like a block, thats not want people want to see. Another problem i see is the overobsession with glutes, like jay said. If condioning matters so much, they should look for the guy with the most details all around. How can someone win the Olympia who is only sharp in 2 body parts?
Finally a guy talking with some sense.
Andrew would win Mr Olympia Classic if there wasn’t a weight cap. His aesthetics and lines are that good.
Yes 212 really hurts Andrew. He should move to open 😊
AESTHETICS FIRST.
ALWAYS.
Mass and conditioning first always.
@@colafarm1 mass and conditioning for conditioned masses.
The few ones that stand out and that will be remembered have to be aesthetic above all.
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Across every division, Asian pros just seem to have great difficulty growing their backs. When we get an Asian pro who has mastered growing their back, theyll likely be a champion
its genetics unfortunately. we grow quads easier then white people averagely, but the prefered aesthetic doesn't require that much size from quads comparing to back
I agree as you know
danny hester still look great in his 50s
Show us more of Danny hester pls!😊
I wonder what the answer would be if you asked all the pros who they'd swap physiques with, if they had to. My guess would be Andrew.
If the judges want to fetishize one body part the sport would be better off if they put all that emphasis on requiring a tight midsection with deep abdominal separation instead. It makes sense, the midsection ties everything together and if it’s off it has the potential to ruin any physique.
Aesthetics and shape wins every time for me.
I don't understand why judges or people in the bodybuilding community will cherry pick with some guys over one bodypart being off. Ramy is a good example with his tricep. Then you got the new champ that has zero detail in the front of his whole body. Just wins purely off structure! Or his back.
Facts.. is strange people not mentioning that..good point
Guy's guys,if they judge it the way it should be then there is no argument Andrew jack is the best X FRAME, in the Mr O , and if he comes in peeled with that shape, we should have a new Mr O , but like always politics,. Andrew for the WIN, u can't deny it you don't want to f,,k with me,,, 2pac, even said it
If it's judged by the written rules Hadi and Derek are the best if it's judged on some tall dudes opinion then Andrew should win but luckily y'all opinion carries little weight because y'all are such a small minority in the population.
If Andrew is aiming for top 5, he isn't winning. He is always off at the Olympia like late Cedric Mcmillan.
End of the day bodybuilding is a business, If a average person sees a bodybuilder like Andrew who looks like a statue that attracts them into the sport or in general to the fitness industry.Thats the way to popularize the sport.
That won't work because he's too tall the average worldwide male height is 5'7 so people like Derek is a better representative. Mostly only tall dudes will like Andrew so the sport will lose fans.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320 😆😆 Andrew as a Mr Olympia will lose fans , man this guy is funny 😆 😆😆go be a ninja turtle then
@@anushrajapaksha5098 By Andrew win the Olympia will gain tall dude fan but lose short fans and tall dudes are such a small minority of the population so overall they will lose fans, what part you don't get?
@@granddaddyofthemall6320 tall dude fans what is this guy smoking 😆😆 the whole point is to get people into the industry and popularize the sport.Andrew’s physique is what a Mr Olympia looks like, that motivates people to get into the gym and workout , what does it have to be tall or short.
@@anushrajapaksha5098Why would Andrew attract more fans than Derek? You said Andrew is what a MR.O should look like according to who? See you are missing the point Andrew is not going to attract more fans than Derek the only reason you are saying that is because you are tall, do you get that?
Conditioning shouldn't matter as much as shape and symmetry.
No
Derek has the best shape and symmetry mostly only tall dudes think otherwise.
If that's what you like just watch classic physique. Some of us like mass and conditioning.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320 how tall are you bra you seem to have a vendetta against tall people
@granddaddyofthemall63no way Derek has good proportions his loqer body has no sweep or detail like Samson
Bruh... Jae Hun Park is Korean.....
So Andrew is so Beautiful he is bringing up the conversation up ... Interesting
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I’m tired of the short guys winning the Olympia
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Classic physique should value shape over conditioning. Classic guys didn't have shredded ass cheeks.
Push for modern conditioning is part of what makes them look less classic than they otherwise would and I don't think you just keep looking "better"as you get leaner and Leaner.
The weight restriction is just a cheap way to hold back athletes and stop the judges from actually having to do the job they're paid for.
If someone comes in too big for their frame the judges should be able to handle that by marking them down not by forcing them into a given weight .
As it is now the tall guys just have too much of an advantage in size
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They should end that policy that places extremely short guys well. Everybody knows it is easier to fill out such short frames, and that it is a far greater achievement to fill out a taller frame. They should also punish fake muscle, like what Hadi has in his shoulders and Andrew in his calves.
Andrew doesn’t have fake muscle in his calves lol. He had good calves before turning pro. They continue to grow just like every other muscle when bodybuilding
I think Andrew has a little in his arms now
If you think shorter guy have it easy to build enough muscle to win contest you got it wrong its hard to get enough muscle to get the judges to look at you when you're 5'5'' and everybody else is 5'10 or 6 foot ask Danny Pedia or Lee Priest so get to the gym put some hevey weight on the bar and build a winning Physique no excuses
@@jefferyberridge1444I felt like he had them even last year but his dont look bad but if you really look I think there’s a bit
HeadPack, so by that logic they should punshis tall dudes in basketball because it's easier for them to be good at it.
Mfers want this to be a beauty contest
Yea its a muscle contest not a fuckin pageant. Mass and conditioning should be 95% of judging.
Cedric would always say it was actually, amongst other BB including Victor Martinez, Kai Green and bunch of BB dude. So it kinda IS!!!
It is a beauty contest. Best looking body. It’s not a condition contest. A guy with terrible shape but shredded to the bone shouldn’t win. Olympia judging is too inconsistent. Derek has terrible conditioning from the front, yet he won the Olympia over guys who were way more conditioned. Derek doesn’t even have great shape.
@@selfmade8884 Derek does have a great shape he has the best V Taper and overall, he's great that's why he won.
Fazi barely finding out thtmat asians have the best legs genetically. It's rare to find an Asian with crappy legs and calves
Andrew can’t build up those forearms with those limp wrist curls 🤦🏻♂️. I understand that he has short forearm muscles 💪🏽 bellies (just like me). However, he can build them up with better arm curl form and hitting them directly. I picked up my forearm workouts from arm wrestlers.
If yall love aesthetics so much go watch classic physique. Mens open should always be mass and conditioning over everything else.
Sorry to disappoint you. Symetry and proportion are part of aesthetic. And that applies to open bodybuilders too. You perfectly know that.
@chismaproduction5905 yea it just matters WAY less than mass and conditioning. They literally created classic physique for people like you.
@@colafarm1 They are as IMPORTANT as mass and Conditionning. With the same muscle mass and conditioning, proportion and symmetry are the deciding factors.
Aesthetic counts. Olympia 2023 with Dereck as champion is proof of that. Phil Heath's loss to Shawn Roden in 2018 is another proof. Aesthetic DEFINITLY counts. Guys with unpleasant shape like, Nick Walker, will never be M.O.
Guys with terrible genetics always complain about guys with shape and symmetry.
CB got too much on his plate to train the way he needs win.
You're not better because you chose the right parents. Structure matters, but it should matter far less than coming in dense, hard, and peeled.
Bro what lol genetics play into everything. Even how thin your skin is. So your parents will always matter. You're just choosing conditioning over everything else.
@@36louieboy But the real point is tall is not better genetics mostly only tall dudes think that so that carries little weight because y'all are such a small minority in the population. At the end of the day this is a muscle building contest so the person with the most muscle on their frame with conditioning and the right ratios should win because that shows who put in the work more than something arbitrary.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320if a taller guy has better ratios because he's tall he shouldn't be discriminated against. Shorter guys look wider and bigger and can pack on more muscle usually should they be given more consideration then? Every height is gonna have a pro and con. If taller guys appear more aesthetic it is what it is. Shorter guys have always had the advantage in open hence why most BB are Shorter.
@@36louieboy I don't think tall dudes have better male proportions. Meaning tall dudes a lot of times have long legs for their height that's feminine proportion, example Look at Andrea Shaw she is all legs you can really see it when she turns around her back is so short. Long legs short torso looks feminine and dainty.