What's My Line? - Ritz Brothers; Joey Bishop [panel] (Mar 12, 1961)
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- NOTE: Part of the opening introductions are missing from this video.
MYSTERY GUEST: Al, Jimmy, & Harry Ritz
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Joey Bishop, Dorothy Kilgallen, Bennett Cerf
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I am unable to stop watching WML.
There's a WML Anonymous group that meets regularly in your area.
This is really a civilized game show everyone is polite everyone has proper English it is absolutely wonderful we will never see anything like this again I truly love it
Those were those days--back when people used punctuation when they wrote.
In his book on WML, Gil Fates recounted this incident where Joey had to disqualified himself because a maitre d' spilled the secret. Fates noted that WML did not have an eloborate system to keep the mystery guest a secret. It was a game show, not the CIA.
Harry Wheatcroft looks like he stepped out of the 1970s back to 1961. The hair, the clothes, everything.
Exactly what I was thinking
With the suit he was wearing and his very distinctive muttonchops Master Wheatcroft could just as easily have stepped out of the 1870s..
Right, and the uptight panel reacted. Arlene is sitting there with her chin resting on her hand, and she's just looking at the man... Hahaha
And the audience laughed at him. They're dumb.
The first guest's son Chris Wheatcroft will appear on 3/31/63 with the same profession, "grows roses". Chris is a lot more conventional in appearance than his father whose long hair, checked suit with plaid shirt and patterned straight tie might have elicited a raised eyebrow or three from the panel. Apparently he was eccentric in many other aspects of his life as well.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Wheatcroft
Vesta and her husband stayed in the States and died together in a car crash in 1999.
Wasn't she on another episode earlier with another circus job?
As to edible roses.... Back in the day, the "Galloping Gourmet" Graham Kerr had in his cookbook a recipe for dessert crepes called "Te Puka Pancakes" that had rose petals laid over them as soon as you poured the batter into the pan, so that the petals would be surrounded by batter and cooked into the middle of each crepe. I also note, as pointed out in this episode of WML, that the fruit of the rose, known as rose hips, can be made into jam. Also, since rose hips are a concentrated source of vitamin C, a lot of vitamin C supplements are made from rose hips. There is also honey that has been infused with rose petals to flavor it, and there is also rose water which is used in certain recipes. I frequently order Indian take-out food and get a dessert called gulab jamin, which uses a syrup that is flavored with rose petals and is actually quite delicious.
And rose water/flavouring is used in the making of Turkish Delight, both the traditional sweets and the chocolate bar we've had in the UK since 1914!
@ToddSF Thank you for this information! 🥰
Bennett Cerf was a giant figure in publishing back in the day, and had his hand in a few other ventures related to show business, and was what was known as a "personality". Is he known today by anybody under 50?
Peter Lushing Probably only to people under 50 who watch WML (of which I'm one). I'm very, very well versed on the 1930s-1950s era and I had never heard him before encountering him in the reruns.
Pygiana If you were the producer of WML, would you have trusted Truman Capote to behave himself? I wouldn't. :)
I'm 45, and I know of him mostly from a couple of his (really rather awful) joke books. But I'm also a mutant, and read Fates' WML book in my teens.
I never knew who he was until I started watching WML. I just turned 60.
Yes! I'm 21 and have known about him for years from I Love Lucy. My first real experience with him though was What's My Line. He's one of my favorites!
The Ritz Brothers are hilarious 🤣🤣 Wonderful to see them!!!!
The Ritz Brothers. A great family and act. I never realized how funny Joey Bishop could be "off the cuff". A realy genius at adlib. I'll bet Sinatra secretly hated it.
My great aunt told me that around 1954, she was in Vegas and at about 2 am she saw Jimmy Ritz really drunk at a crap table in the Sands. He was betting big and losing big. Also he was stumbling and yelling incoherently. A lot of the acts playing Vegas were working for free to pay off their markers.
Those who hadn't heard of the Ritz Brothers or Groucho would have no idea of Joey Grimaldi is who the lady circus clown was related to. he is seen as one of the most important figures of theatre in Europe and a clown who is celebrated by all those in that art. His memorial of his death is attended at a church in Europe by clown full costume
WHAT?? there is someone who has not heard of Groucho ???
@Mark Richardson www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/Stockport/VestaAndAshton.htm
Geez Bennett! Could have made the Ritz Bros. segment a bit longer.
I see the Ritz Brothers mostly as a very talented DANCING comedy team, I have my own copies of their debut movie Sing, Baby, Sing and On the Avenue.
Thank you Bennett Cerf for asking about roses and eating, my mind was going crazy thinking about how those two even cross paths with one another.
Never heard of rosewater, for example used to flavour Turkish delight?
When my husband and were visiting South Africa, we were treated in a home where the husband fixed us a gourmet meal in which the petals of flowers 🌺 were part of the edible decorations of the main dish. I was astonished, but assured that they were edible, and I must say it was a delightful treat! I have had occasion to be served flower 🌹 petals here in the States once and they were special! (I grew up in South Africa but had never come across this delicacy before!)
Notice how Mr. Cerf always looks a bit perturbed whenever he thinks he’s been had? Otherwise always an effusive grin.
8:47 in !! LEL Fantastic cheeky comeback toward Joey from Mr Wheatcroft after the "Barber" remark he gave... I like Joey but he was out of line with that remark and fair play by Mr Wheatcroft.
I noticed a remark by Mr. wheatcroft, but cannot understand what he said. What was His comeback to Joey's "barber" remark?
No he wasn't out of line. Its called humour.
The panel has a long history of commenting on men's weight & hair, but never women's, that I can recall. Mr Wheatcroft had an interesting life and career. I wouldn't want to cross swords with him in a battle of wits.
As a kid I would see Joey Bishop appear on various shows. I didn't know who he was, but it was obvious the people on the shows did. I didn't not like him, but he didn't make me laugh either. He was just there. Watching him here on various episodes I'm laughing. Maybe I 'get' his humor now. Sorry for childhood indifference, Joey.
I also recall seeing Joey Bishop on tv often when I was a kid. I didn't dislike him but I didn't think he was especially funny either. Bishop's humor was dry and the delivery was deadpan two things ususally lost on kids. He is a lot funnier to me now..
To the question whether a famous hotel was named after them they could reasonably and truthfully have answered 'no'.
Bennett Cerf was a little too pushy during the mystery guest spot. He asked two questions right off the bat, and John Daly was right in cutting him off. Then Bennett guessed the Ritz Brothers after only one pass around the panel, which did not even include Joey Bishop, who, quite honorably, disqualified himself. Bennett should have let the questioning continue a while longer.
The panel wasn't listening very closely to the first guest's answers. Arlene is naughty by nature, "You've been peeking."
I wonder if their interaction with Dorothy was because of something she may have written in her newspaper column?
I noticed their fondness for Joey as well as for Arlene; but who doesn't love Arlene.
Dorothy’s lipstick is a bit off on this night. She has it above her upper lip and a little below her lower lip. My mom told me years ago that women would do that to make their lips look fuller, but this is the first time I’ve seen it. Her hair looks cute tonight.
prob just drunk
It's that way on every show.
It would be better if the lipstick were darker but it’s off and though she tries to make them fuller it failed.
@@suestephan3255 … True 💋.
This program aired on the day I was born...😊
I have to admit that I was not familiar with the Ritz brothers, but they seem like an affable group of fellows. ❤
THEN GOOGLE THEM SO YOU KNOW HOW GREAT THEY WERE!
I never like it when the panel gets the mystery guest because one of them "knows who is in town", rather than simply following the clues from the answers they receive.
I agree, I know that it's technically NOT cheating but it's right next door to it.
@@markxxx21 Out of the blue, "Are there 3 of you?" Yeah, I'd bet it was cheating.
Unfortunately it's their business. Dorothy reporting on Broadway. Arlene APPEARING as a performer on the Broadway stage. Bennett having lunch with Henry Fonda, knocking about with June Allyson and god knows who else. All three of them attending parties and best buddies with the stars' spouses, let alone the stars themselves.
Unfortunately it's the BIGGEST drawback of the show....blissful though it is....the guest gets invited because conveniently they're 'in town' and who's in town all day and every evening? The entire WML panel!! What can you do??
@@algoritmosalfredohipicasig7116 I didn’t think this was cheating because it seemed that a lot of commotion was involved in getting the mystery guests seated!
I have watched many of these WML episodes, and I have noticed a pattern: The panel almost always guesses the mystery guest much quicker and easier than they do the occupation of the non-celebrity guests. Like in this episode, the panel was stumped by the non-celebrity guests but got the mystery guest in a few seconds. They must have had an inside track of some kind. At least Joey Bishop admitted knowing in advance and disqualified himself -- maybe other panelists knew as well but did not disqualify themselves.
No, it was more that they had a vague-but-reasonable-idea. What they (especially Bennett) tended to do was to study up on who was in town for an appearance/had a movie out recently/might be likely to show up. Also, of course, it tended to be an entertainment figure, which cuts down on the possibilities. (The time it was Conrad Hilton, f'rex, they were totally at sea.)
They also fooled them with Woody Allen, since he was on a layover from doing Casino Royale.
@@juliansinger Correct. Well said.
They were all New Yorkers and knew who was in town
That’s logical. By definition the field of celebrities is smaller, and more is known about celebrities.
She wipes the kiss off lol @10:36.
Were the Ritz Brothers headliners by 1961?
They were all still in their 50's.
For me, the Ritz Brothers were like the Marx Brothers except without Groucho, Chico and Harpo.
My first acquaintance with the Ritz Brothers was confusing for me because all three brothers look so much alike, unlike the Marx Brothers, who each had his own identifying characteristics.
@@karlakor Good point.
@@karlakor The Marx Bros looked a lot more alike when seen together in plain street clothes especially Groucho w/o the ridiculous eyebrows and moustache. In other words, just a normal real life photo of them together..
The circus clown lady has a wonderful figure!
Roses are red
Violets are blue
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That starts with You
Yes, let Al sit in that one chair, because he passed away first.
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I'm not sure you're aware of it, because it is not mentioned in your episode notes, but there is a small bit cut out from the beginning of this episode. It goes directly from the show opening to Bennett's introduction of John, skipping the introductions to the panelists.
No, I was not aware-- thank you for pointing it out. I don't have an alternate copy to check for the missing minute or so, but I'll see if I can find one. In the mean time, I've added a note to the description.
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It's no big deal, and I wasn't even expecting you to be able to find the missing bit, but I thought it was the kind of thing you might want to make note of.
SaveThe TPC I think the uploader of these shows just uploads what they have without editing. Otherwise they'd be on it for the rest of their life! Plus there's nasty edits every single show around the 'sponsor' segment....they would take ages to go through and sort. Frankly the original owner of the show 'files' should've gone through them and tidied thrm up. Still....I just forgive the untidiness cos it's old and there's a hair in the gate anyway! :)
I noticed this omission right away and wondered why.
Tedje van Es (: folks from NL may know the reference , others could google that name :)
Of course, I can look them up in Wikipedia or some other source. But honestly, how many people watching this now had the least idea who the Ritz Brothers were?
519DJW Judging by the number of comments I get on the 1959 Groucho WML show from people proudly proclaiming to have never heard of HIM. . .
Norbert Gruberger I was surprised by what "What's My Line?" wrote about people saying they'd never heard of Groucho Marx, because the Marx Brothers' movies are constantly shown on TV--while those of the Ritz Bros. *never* are--at least in my own experience. Do you mean to say that you've actually seen any of their movies?
519DJW The days of people stumbling on old movies on late night TV are long over. Pretty much the only channel now that shows old films is TCM, so if you're a young person and aren't already tuning in, it's not all that surprising any more that you might never have even heard of Groucho. It's very sad, yes, but not all that surprising to me.
What's My Line? Wow! That shows how long I've been out of the United States. Now, when non-Americans ask me what something is like in the USA, I usually have to pause to consider whether my information is current or not. If they don't show old movies on commercial TV late at night now, what *do* they show?
519DJW Some channels just repeat their programming for the late evening, some show infomercials, but overwhelmingly most stations don't burn off any new programming at night, not even dirt cheap old movies. Heck, GSN is a perfect example: they ended the late night "B&W Overnight" block that got many of us hooked on WML in the first place in 2009, and resorted to infomercials and poker/blackjack tournaments.
I'm out of date myself, since I haven't had cable or broadcast television for 4 years now. But I'm sure the landscape hasn't improved. Cable TV's days are numbered. I give it 10 more years, tops.
i have never heard of ritz brothers.
They're not at all well remembered today. I'm a lifelong, die hard vintage comedy enthusiast, and I've never seen a single one of their films. I'm only familiar with them by name.
I recall an appearance by the Ritzes on the Ed Sullivan Show; this must have been around the early to mid-Sixties.
Talented brothers.
Try to get their movies.
calvin ghanian In the 1960s, I saw the Ritz Brothers, at least once, on the Joey Bishop show, but it was after the oldest brother Al, had died - it showed Harry and Jimmy dancing together and next to them was a spotlight, representing Al, after awhile they would hold out their hands to the spotlight and say, "Take it!"
@@WhatsMyLine There was a Leave It To Beaver episode where the Beave does a book report on The Three Musketeers after seeing the Ritz brothers' film. He was caught:"And then three funny guys came out..."
10:20 actually cherries.
Haha John Daly was mad about being pushed around by those Ritz Brothers. He flashed a dirty look at the one on the far right right before the questioning began. I think he felt like they were pushing him and getting into space 😂😂😂
Where is the complete intro??
Where's is the entire introduction at? We only see john daly introduced
Sue them
GROWS ROSES
CIRCUS CLOWN 🤪
Joey Bishop says to Mr Wheatcroft, @ 3:33 min. into the episode: "I am safe to assume that you don't sell barber products." (This was "sort of" posed as a question). And Mr. Wheatcroft's response, given in a not-so-happy manner, and without any emotion, simply replied with: "The answer is in the affirmative." ~ Of the numerous episodes of "What's My Line" that I've been watching over these last several months (from time-to-time), this is the first time that a guest contestant gave me a bit of a fright. He just sat there beside Mr. Daily, almost like a robot, and with little emotion, and in a mechanical sense, just produced a simple, one-word answer. He just did not sdeem to be asll there!>the question . What an oddwith as little said as could be found ball
I'm having problems with my computer, so it's not worth reading my comments above, as it is just a jumble of ill-placed words. Somehow the "Reply" button activated on its own, and thus it captured my writing as you see it. It didn't even afford me a chance to go back and finish what I was wanting to say, nor be able to edit what I had already written. I hate my computer!
How difficult for left-handed people(Mrs. Austin)to write from left to right.
I wonder if Bennett used Fop or Dapper Dan?
He has little hair to apply Dapper Dan or Fop to.
That was a bummer,way too fast and no explanations of why? Too bad they use easy in town shows. Really a very past era group.
There's Joey, puffing on a cigarette. Even though I know smoking was considered glamorous, sophisticated and "healthy" back in those days, it's still a bit jarring to see.
I remember in the early days of WML it was common to see everyone from Arlene to John to other panelists and guests smoking.
THANK YOU for posting these shows!! Watching WML is one of the few things which bring me happiness.
Just agreeing with some other folks - Bennett should have excused himself, like Joey did, regarding the Ritz Brothers.
It spoiled the fun for me.
Is it just me, or does Dorothy seem to be completely nonplussed by the appearance of The Ritz Brothers? She has such an expression of distaste on her face from the moment that the panel is unmasked, right through their exit.
She seemed fine to me after the initial disappointment. I think her disgust is with the fact that Bennett instantly knew who they were.
That's because she knew they didn't really have much talent. They only lasted for six years in films...
From my understanding, {and the Ritz Brothers were never nearly as famous as the Marx Brothers, and gained some attention long after their prime days when Mel Brooks said that Harry Ritz was the funniest comic ever}...film was never the best medium for the Brothers..they apparently mostly provided comic relief for films starring Sonia Heine ( beautiful Olympic ice skating champ of the 1930s who became featured in films)...their real talent was in live perfomances dating all the way back to vaudeville in the 20s and continuing on for decades in nightclubs and other live venues...they always made a good living...the act never translated well to tv either..
daniel lack Have you seen any of their movies? I've only caught them in "On the Avenue" from 1937, but they were hilarious playing themselves. I'm not sure the comparison to the Marx Brothers is a fair one since the Marx boys developed individual characters and usually didn't play the role of brothers. No question that the Ritz brothers had smaller roles...but at least in "Avenue" they made a bigger contribution than, say, the Three Stooges did when they were comic relief in secondary roles in feature films like "Dancing Lady."
Dorothy had affairs with all the brothers..hence the face
“Six pounds overweight”? Back in those days hardly anyone was seriously overweight. And even those that were were downright svelte compared to many Americans today.
They were fat people back then.
18:15 Who?
lemmy fr0m m0törhead...(RIP btw)
Ritz Brothers > Marx Brothers
😁😄😆
I hate The Ritz Brothers. Not funny.
The Ritz Brothers are just not funny.
i think the panel are rude and self righteous - francis is obnoxious
You must be watching a different show than the rest of us.