cosine in recursion

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  • Опубликовано: 12 дек 2024

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  • @digxx
    @digxx День назад +10

    Setting tanh(c_n) := cos(a_n) gives
    tanh(c_{m+n}) = (tanh(c_m) + tanh(c_n))/(1+tanh(c_m)*tanh(c_n)) = tanh(c_m+c_n)
    by the addition formula of the tanh. Since it is an injective function, it follows
    c_{m+n} = c_m+c_n. The rest is straightforward.

    • @demenion3521
      @demenion3521 День назад +1

      that was really the obvious substitution, just looking at the structure of the RHS

    • @r.maelstrom4810
      @r.maelstrom4810 19 часов назад +1

      The rest IS far from straightforward

    • @r.maelstrom4810
      @r.maelstrom4810 18 часов назад

      You have cos(a_{m+n}) = tanh(c_m + c_n) =/= cos(a_m + a_n).
      I am not saying isn't doable, but good luck with the inverse function of tanh in terms of cos and getting a_n.

    • @r.maelstrom4810
      @r.maelstrom4810 18 часов назад

      I suspect this is the reason the solution from that magazine disregards this obvious substitution and tries this seemingly out of the blue b_n sequence.
      Not so out of the blue if you "see" the numerator and denominator of the original fraction resemble (1+cosx)(1+cosy) lacking the complementary terms respectively.

    • @luciot8804
      @luciot8804 10 часов назад

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@r.maelstrom4810 If you set tanh(c_n) := cos(a_n), then the functional equation c_{n+m} = c_n + c_m follows. Also, simmilarly to the video, one can obtain:
      1. c_0 = 2 * c_0 => c_0 = 0,
      2. c_1 = c_1 (free parameter),
      3. c_n = c_{n-1} + c_1 = n * c_1.
      Thus, a_n = arccos(tanh(n * c_1)), which is equivalent to the expression obtained in the video, since:
      tanh(n * c_1) = (e^(n * c_1) - e^(-n * c_1)) / (e^(n * c_1) + e^(-n * c_1)) = (1 - b_1^n) / (1 + b_1^n).
      When b_1 = e^(-2 * c_1)

  • @alipourzand6499
    @alipourzand6499 День назад +5

    5:07 now there is also a good place to enter the next argument!

  • @bjornfeuerbacher5514
    @bjornfeuerbacher5514 День назад +16

    1:00 And how on Earth would anyone think of using that other sequence?!?
    In some videos, Michael really could use a bit more of explanations and motivations for his tricks. :(

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 День назад +8

      Maybe solving enough problems provides intuition about partners to observe, similar to how substitution in integration becomes feeling-based.

    • @plushrei5926
      @plushrei5926 2 часа назад

      Using helper sequence is based on experience with these kinds of problems. Which sequence to use is determined by spending a few hours trying different ones with some kind of educated guess behind selection

  • @gonzalomorenohirata
    @gonzalomorenohirata 14 часов назад +3

    And the good place to stop?:(

  • @Nerdwithoutglasses
    @Nerdwithoutglasses День назад +20

    looks tangent enough lol

    • @Nerdwithoutglasses
      @Nerdwithoutglasses День назад

      I mean the hyperbolic one

    • @Ijkbeauty
      @Ijkbeauty День назад

      ​@@Nerdwithoutglasses😂😂😂😐😐😐😐

  • @postbodzapism
    @postbodzapism 14 часов назад +1

    Trying cos a_n = i tan b_n gives b_{m+n} = b_m+ b_n

  • @deadfish3789
    @deadfish3789 8 часов назад

    I can't see any need to separate the b1=0 case. Every step in the third case remains valid there.

  • @MooImABunny
    @MooImABunny День назад +1

    Seems like the choice of using cosine for the problem was pretty incidental. I'm pretty sure you can replace it with any invertible function that outputs in (-1,1] (perhaps requiring some condition on the inputs an), then you'd still get the bn sequence relation.
    I'll sketch a proof when I get the chance..
    Also since the sequence bn is essentially either just 0's or b^n where b = b1, we do need our function to have 0 in its image

    • @kkanden
      @kkanden День назад +2

      the formula for cos(a_{n+m}) closely resembles the formula for tangent of sum of two angles. maybe that's some hint?

    • @MooImABunny
      @MooImABunny День назад

      @kkanden that's more of a red herring if anything imo 😂

  • @annea1537
    @annea1537 День назад +3

    What is aus Mathematik view
    1x8+1=9
    12x8+2=98
    123х8+3=987
    1234х8+4=9876
    12345х8+5=98765

    ?

  • @AmlanSarkar-wr2pr
    @AmlanSarkar-wr2pr День назад

    Second person to see it.

  • @AmlanSarkar-wr2pr
    @AmlanSarkar-wr2pr День назад

    2nd

  • @jotajaviergonzalezgarcia7504
    @jotajaviergonzalezgarcia7504 День назад

    first