How Accurate are Dinosaur King's "WATER" Dinosaurs?
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Dinosaur King's Water Element consists of the long-necked, plant-eating Sauropods and the fish-eating Spinosaurid Theropods. How do these models from the mid-late 2000s hold up against modern science?
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Spinosaurs when it comes to accuracy: this isn’t even my final form
"This isn't even my final form!"
*gets shorter*
@@glitchingeclipse9850Two months after get shorter
*Developed Gills*
@@D_megapronz next thing you know, it becomes Spinofaarus
"Spinosaurus when it comes to accuracy"
Others Spinosaurid barely changed in appearance since their discovery/description.
Spinosaurus is like the no.1 Dinosaur we need to see alive, just so we can see what the hell it truly looked like.
The second I saw the thumbnail I know it was gonna be outdated💀
This video will be outdated in a month
Bro being outdated takes quite a longer time then just a month even for the longest spinosauridae
Erm spinosuarus
Spino is nearly as complicated as women
@@Intrusion498heyo didn’t expect to see you here dude
I think the reason as to why sauropods are in the water element is that it could be a subtle node to the outdated thinking of sauropods staying close to large bodies of water in order to support their weight
Literally the only excuse for them besides not caring
It has to be. Part of me thinks they wanted to put them in the grass element, but realised it would be overcrowded, so they put them into water to bolster that roster.
Ironically, they were all still able to be completely submerged with waters, with water recovering their ridges (while still able to breath without problems), and to swim without much problems at the surface without drowing, remaining surprisingly enough light here.
Basically like elephants are despite having zero adaptations for swimming in water.
Crossing seas without islands hopping is even what did the ancestors of Alamosaurus, which were heavy giants, when they leave South America to North America which weren't connected physically yet.
So on that aspect, sauropods from this received idea/outdated misconception from middle 1990 century, and Charles R. Knight painting aren't far from what they were in real life.
Just it was an occasional thing, not a permanent behavior.
I think that IS the reason according to the wiki
@@evodolka Wiki can be wrong sometime, depend about how they are made and managed (and there can be even many for a same franchise) but it usually good, so ok I trust it.
But still, that can really mislead people thinking they actually really were semi-aquatic.
Glad to see that Baryonyx and Suchomimus still hold up! Love them both!
One interesting detail about Spiny that I haven’t found others mention is that, although his design does take heavy inspiration from the JPIII Spinosaurus, it not only has a longer neck that is more accurate nowadays but, as a member of the Spinosaurinae subfamily, it is also correctly portrayed as having far more straight and conical teeth, compared to the JPIII Spinosaurus which has serrated and curved teeth like Baryonyx, Suchomimus, and other members of the subfamily Baryonychinae.
Edit: Of course, the reason why the JPIII Spinosaurus has more Baryonychine-like teeth is because, for those who don’t know, the JPIII Spinosaurus was originally going to be a Baryonyx.
Fun fact: In the Dinosaur King manga (which released before the arcade game) Rex didn't have Ace as his partner. He was given an Irritator card by Ed as he was recruited by the Alpha Gang, but since Rex's joining was just a farce to help a captured Max, they escaped, taking the card with them. The Irritator became known as Benjamin and became Rex's main dinosaur.
Also he could talk for some reason.
If you're wondering Chomp didn't exist in the manga either, Max instead had a cartoonish Triceratops/Styracosaurus hybrid named Mini-King.
Man ! That a fact !
Already that there was a MANGA is something. Being very obscure part of the franchise.
But that it was sooooo apart and different from what the rest of the franchise have established after.
Know what, good for irritator, that's pretty cool
I love that out of the 6 main dinosaurs, you saved my favorite for last: Spiny.
I’m surprised neither Coelophysis nor Brachiosaurus were in the Dinosaur King franchise despite how famous they were
Agreed.
Brachio would probably be Water, like other Sauropods.
While Coelophysis would either be Wind, Secret, or simply a move card.
Well, they had _Gojirasaurus_ , which is probably just _Coelophysis_ .
What about apatosaurus
@@diwashrizal4837 Apparently, he’s actually in the Secret element.
@@diwashrizal4837 It's in the Secret Element, so you'll see it in the next video
Up next, the Secret Dinosaurs, which is the most, let’s say, “Interesting” group of Dinosaurs in Dinosaur King.
Apart if me does wish we had like 2 more of them
Like a paitnitzkisaurus that has a bunch of venom moves to reference the move card
And at least ONE Ornithopod based secret
@@evodolka _Hadrosaurus_ would've been a good option given it was the first non-avian dinosaur from North America known from more than teeth & the first non-avian dinosaur to ever be mounted for public viewing.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 could have been cool, if it was up to ME i would have had Iguanadon be secret instead of grass, but that's just me personally
Maybe also do Move Card dinos in that video. Would allow for it to be longer since there’s only 8 secret dinos
There are 5 theropod 1 sauropod and 2 bird hipped dinosaur
I find the grouping of this element very cool despite the initial oddness. Spinosaurs spent a lot of time in the water while sauropods were once believed to be primarily aquatic, so their placement here is quite a nice detail.
Imagine Spiny but accurate. He would genuinely be the best dinosaur in the show besides Terry.
Would work for Dinosaurs King to have a 100% accurate as of 2024 Spinosaurus unlike all non-documentaries production about Dinosaurs.
As in the Anime and Games, the universe display as accurate as possible genera yet don't give a shit about the physic, low resilience to injuries or impacts and their skills and body movements limitations.
Because despite being accurate physically, dinosaurs are still able to realize crazy and farfecht, even completely ridicule movesets or physical abilities they 100% sure never have or weren't able to do.
Ultra frequently all are throwned in the air and falling highly into the ground from a middle to high height, yet survived without a single bone broken at impact and amplified with their own mass, are grap by others dinosaurs or grap themselves others dinosaurs and and the others dinosaurs made them spin on themselves (remember Spiny catching a sauropod neck which made him spinning in the air in one episode), or taking very heavy object above the ground too loud that could in normal time move... Etc....
Really breaking rules of physics to an obscene degree yet ridicule in a way so that it is actually good, even how stupid and low-intelligence it is.
So yes, giving the franchise have established this aspect as a normal part of its universe, I can see every dinosaurs or prehistoric creature, including Spinosaurus, made entirely accurate and yet still being able to be even used in the franchise despite their appearance.
While all others productions which aren't mean to be educatives are in the obligation to downgrade/lower on purposes the appearance of the dinosaurs they display, even only a little, to be able to use them.
For example, Jurassic Park/World can't use a completely accurate physically Spinosaurus.
It wouldn't live for 5 minutes before being easily killed without having did something special aside just existing by another carnivore or humans.
And while it a little off topic, Disney Lion King 2019 remake display very good what happen when you have entirely accurate to reality animals in a productions mean first for entertaining.
You just can't use them efficiently or use them at all.
I think you will get my point here.
BABE WAKE UP NEW "How Accurate are Dinosaur King's Dinosaurs?" VIDEO JUST DROPPED
The water element might seem like an odd mix, but these two groups stem from the same branch of the dinosaur family tree. Both theropods and sauropods belong to the Saurischia (lizard-hip) family, while all the other main clades belong to the Ornithischia (bird-hip) family, which is rather ironic because birds are descended from theropod dinosaurs. 🦎🐦
Water is an odd element, Spinosaurs being placed here absolutely makes sense, makes the most sense of all the clades, but Sauropods being placed in water is weird.
Maybe it comes from the whole "sauropods were too heavy to live on land" misconception? It was popular on some older paleoart.
@@rm2569that must be it
@@rm2569Yep, must be something linked to that.
That really the only explanations why they put Sauropods in the Water Element.
However, even when Dinosaurs King as a franchise was made, this misconception/view of the group was already outdated and considered obsolete since quite a time.
This outdated view they lived almost permanently in water like hippos came from the 1940-50's with paleoarts like Charles R. Knight.
But already toward 1990's that wasn't really much accepted.
Was that a true secret/hidden tribute to this ?
We don't know as none question was made to the crew behind the franchise and it too late today for that.
So we will never know.
I think it's meant to reference old depictions, were they were always near or in water
Who cares if the misconception was cleared up by then? Is just a small reference to that, no need to make things complicated wondering about it.
Fire video dude, Next it's Secret and Move Dinosaurs 🔥🔥
No, the Fire video was last time, this is the Water video. (*JOKE*)
Spiny’s design is very clearly based on the Jurassic Park 3 Spinosaurus, which at the time was the canon depiction of the animal until the massive makeover it got in the early 2010s. But it’s not terrible, it’s a hell of a lot better than say Monsters Resurrected’s Spinosaurus or Primeval’s Spinosaurus.
Dude, every 2000's dinosaurs productions made their Spinosaurus by just copy-pasting JP3 Spinosaurus (to a point that lazy plagiarism not hidden in some).
Primeval and Monster Ressurected have the same bodyplan but just with some adds on it like spikes, or a second apart sail on the tail.
Binged the whole series so far yesterday 😊 cant wait for special and support dinos!
There may be some mandela effect involved here, but I distinctly remember "T. colberti" being referred to as Isisaurus in the anime, which is how I found out about the genus to begin with. Not a single source on the internet seems to confirm it, yet I remember it really vividly. I don't know what that's about.
In the original Japanese version they called the dinosaur "Titanosaurus colberti", but in the English dub and the DS game it was called "Isisaurus".
It is called Isisaurus in the anime. At least in the English dub of the above comment is correct regarding the sub
I know you're covering Secret last, but would you be alright with covering the Attack-exclusive summoned dinosaurs/reptiles? I'd love to see your thoughts on things like Pterosaurs, marine animals and what have you.
I’m guessing that you’re gonna cover the creatures who are move cards in a separate video since a bunch of them you’ve skipped in their respective elements.
lol irritator looks like velicodrome from monster hunter
Btw would you consider taking a look at the summoned dinosaurs, you mentioned that these water guys can summons marine life. idk how much they do it, But I'd like to see them also get a video on them!
Glad to see this video though, Spinosaurus is my favorite dinosaur. Always loved how edgy it was in the 2000s. I love all the dinosaur designs we get over the years, Spinosaurus seems to get many new ones each year.
I see the resemblance
And my guess is that the move cards will get lumped in with secret types
As what you call a water main when I was a kid I only use water cards in the arcade, I am so happy so see my bois getting the love they deserved. When I started watching this series of yours I always look forward this vid.
Great video BTW so informative specially for non-paleo person like myself
Looking forward for the secret dinos and my bois Ninja Raptor Pack!!!
I want to see an updated remake of this series, not only will the models be updated, but also the now invalid genuses removed.
I want that too, replace _Titanosaurus indicus_ with _Brachiosaurus altithorax_ and recycle the color scheme, replace all three synonyms of _Centrosaurus_ with some other ceratopsians that are more basal (there's no _Protoceratops_ and that is a crime), and don't make _Leaellynasaura_ the ride dinosaur for Pete's sake, it's only the size of a cat.
Are you going to make a video specifically talking about dinosaurs and other animals that are summoned?
YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOREVER FOR THIS VID!!
Gosh, Spiny has really gone through quite the makeover, hasn't he? It's amazing how much he's changed, probably the most out of all the dinosaurs in the series! I used to be all about that classic JP Spino look, but the newer designs have really grown on me over time. *If* the show would return, a modern reconstruction of Spiny would be fantastic to see! Can't wait for that Ampelosaurus research to come out too.. 👀
I can only agree to this
Having the Spinosaurids be water dinosaurs was a fitting choice I must say all things considered, tho not surprised at least half havent aged well, suprised by how many sauropods have tbh, despite on a surface level looking quite similar but then again thats true for a few of these animals, do remember when I was a kid I thought the Opisthocoelicaudia was a Brachiosaur due to how similar the head looked to one for...some reason XD. As for the Titanosaur hand claw thing, it seems some of them largely the basal ones seemed to have a claw, but later more derived taxa seemed to lack em.
Also RIP old Agustinia recons, you were too cool for this world
The Baryonyx's head crest shape is inaccurate in the show: it has the same Allosaurus-like lacrimal crests in front of the eyes just like the Spinosaurus does, instead of a single crest in the centre of the snout
If you look closely and carefully, you can actually see that it has both the double crests in front of the eyes and the single crest in the center of the snout. It’s hard to see, but it’s there.
@@FelipeAubert-vq7uc Huh, from what I could see, the model from the anime has the two crest situation going on like you said, but the arcade render and tcg just seem to have the exaggerated lacrimals on their own
Weird
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Fun Fact: The jaw material for Irritator last year suggested that its bottom split like Shin Godzilla’s except its bottom jaw helped the animal hold larger fish in its mouth not for firing a ray from its mouth
don't worry about the french you tried, i'm altho i will be then waiting to see what becomes of Ampelosaurus as it's from here and seem to get news i had heard of a called new study on a newly found sauropod but there wasn't any name published yet nor any mention just that a new large sauropod has been found and if it is related to Ampelosaurus then that will get my attention even more hoping Ampelosaurus will still remain
The cycle is complete, now we just need secret and the series is over
Great video as always, think my only gripe is I wish Spinosaurus was at the end of the video, like the big finish being how freaking WEIRD Spinosauris was
There's also Normal-type.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 normal moves, yeah, but not any normal type dinosaurs
@@evodolka _Gallimimus_ is Normal-type, there's a handful of others as well.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 by "normal" do you mean like the move card guys?
like the cryolophosaurus that heals you and the pawpawsaurus that takes a hit for you?
I've seen the Patagosaurus skeleton you showed in the video. It's in the Museo de Ciências Naturales Bernardino Rivadavia in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Will u make a separate video on the move card dinosaurs?
Bayonyx is my most favorite water dinosaur
I watched the show when I was younger and the Loch Ness Episode introduced me to amargasaurus. It has been my favorite dinosaur ever since
There also in this episode an unknown 2D dinosaur which appear at the very end, it's identity left unknown.
It basically the very trope "the Monster was real!" but here it must be another dinosaur from a card which have spawn at an unknown time.
Only the gang alpha will be aware of it's existence and the dinosaur, a sauropod, will remain in the wild at the 21 century forever.
We do not known what species it was nor its ultimate fate.
Oh now this is one I been most excited for
*sees Spinosaurs*
Oh boy.. this is going to be a long one..
i hope he does a video featuring animals from the move cards
Was rewatching this last night on ep 26
Very calming video to watch. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Godspeed with what's comming.
If someone feels like answering:
If you had a squad of 3 dinosaurs in the world of dinosaur king, what would your squad consist of?
Three genera that never showed up despite being relatively famous in paleoart: _Brachiosaurus, Protoceratops,_ and _Deinocheirus_ .
Now that the main 6 elements are done and hopefully the Secret dinosaurs are up next, I'd like to once again request a review of the various move card dinosaurs, as there are quite a few!
In my personal opinion, Spiny’s theme song is the best between the main six dinosaurs in this show.
Will you do a video on move card dinosaurs.
Can you do the accuracy analysis of the secret and move card Dinosaurs please?
Spinosaurus, the man of a thousand faces(and bodies ig)
Finally it is out
Are you going to review the Secret category of the Dinosaur King dinosaurs?
Just one more element.
Are the Helper/Assist/Move Card Dinosaurs (and pterosaurs/other) getting their own video after, or as a part of, the Secret Dinosaurs?
As a loyal Spinosaurus fan, I'm used to my boy never getting a break, from being humiliated in every Dinosaur King fight to science nerfing him all the time.
Think him being a bady is what lead to most of the losses in the show, think Tank had it FAR worse
like oviraptor, quetzalcoatlus, supersaurus etc.
Yes finally
Like water the Spinosaurus final form are ever changing 😂
WAIT I HAVENT WATCHED GRASS OR FIRE YET AAAAA
Go watch those, QUICKLY
there's only one type left mystery. but here's an interesting question are you going to do a video on the dinosaurs that only seen in art of attacks cards?
The irritator looks so ugly 😭
I really love spinosaurus spinosaurus is my favorite dinosaur and water dinosaur for both irl and dinosaur king
What dinosaur will he use for his thumbnail for his final dinosaur video
Why the irritator is so similar to the velocidrome😂
All that’s left are the secret dinosaurs, and all the move card dinosaurs, right?
i think yes
After you do a video on the secret dinosaurs, will you also make a video on the movecard dinosaurs like the Seismosaurus?
21:28, that's not true. There are fossils attributed to Nemegtosaurus (hind limb and unguals) that show very little to no differentiation when compared to Opisthocoelicaudia.
Also, Opisthocoelicaudia most likely did not have hand claws.
That's correct, it's currently believed that only the opisthocoelicaudines specifically ( _Opisthocoelicaudia, Alamosaurus,_ and their closest relatives) lost all their hand claws. And in 2019 a paper came out supporting _Nemegtosaurus_ being distinct since it turned out that the synonymy hypothesis was largely based on a _Nemegtosaurus_ specimen being misassigned to _Opisthocoelicaudia_ .
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 have a link to that last sentence?
Did spinosaurus have short legs
Secret don't have a lot of dino there only 8 2 of which haven't appeared in the anime
Aight bro, it’s forgivable but I thought to let you know that suchomimus’ skull has been reworked and the one you called accurate is actually outdated.
Suchomimus had a crest down the middle of the snout and a spinosaurus like crest inbetween its and behind its eyes. As far as I know.
Again your error is forgivable and easily overlooked during research but I know of things about spinosaurs and wanted to let you know.
Oh really? Do you have a source to hand as I'd be interested to read it if so!
@@HodgePodge7 I sadly do not have the paper, but I can direct you to where I remembered hearing it, also W video btw no other flaws to my knowledge,
It was a paleo tuber, kinda, his channel is DinosandDragons and he reviews paleo figures. Usually. And in his PNSO Suchomimus review he goes on about it.
If this doesn’t work probably try the most recent papers referenced on Wikipedia or use BING which is oddly helpful for finding scientific papers in my experience
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I usally comment puns on these, but everything I can come up with for this is sub(marine) standart...
Noice
I really hope Ampelosaurus stays its own genus. I loved him in the anime, the only season 1 Water Dino to have a Move Card that wasn’t Spiny.
Still, it feels like many sauropods were left out of DK. I get size is a major factor when fighting is the main focus, but still I could count so many sauropods left out completely from this franchise
They were sidelined in the anime too, so my guess is the creators just didn't like them. There were never any prosauropods, after all.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 Well, that’s more because Spiny was the main Water Dino
Don't worry, it's just a part of its fossils which will be revealed as a new( and likely very close) animal, but ultimatly, Ampelosaurus will retain fossils whatever happen in its genus.
Simple as it is.
I miss this show along primeval
Will u do move dino?
When will the secret dinosaur accurately video come
In like 2-3 weeks
Only one element left: 🌈
please do an episode on the animals that appeared as move cards in the anime i.e Futabasaurus and seismosaurus
Haven’t watched the video
Will Spino take up half of the video runtime?
12:45 just ignore the text
though red crests on Non-Avian Dinosaurs were unlikely some bird species do/did have red crests for example the now probably extinct imperial woodpecker
BRO WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A VIDEO REVIEW ON ARK SURVIVAL EVOLVED'S DINOSAURS & OTHER PREHISTORIC CREATURES
Irratator is velocidrome in dinosaur king.
It will be cool if dinosaur king also have other phrestoric animals like megalodon wooly mammoths etc
Dinosaur king water element also flipper Spino
The water element is my favorite because the element is very weird I also love how the creator's decided to put marine reptiles as move cards.
The one thing I don't agree with is the legs of spinosaurus being short as given by it's sizes would had made it too heavy to walk heck it's even been debunked as it was said that the legs where build to support i believe a 1.4 or 1.5 ton dinosaur.
What about the marine reptiles
Likely for the move card dinosaurs video.
i loved this anime so bad bro it was my pokemon
Spink actually has the dip. But the lips cover it (l
Barely lips)
I hope that Titanosaurus will never become and revealed one day to be invalid.
Because otherwise, the entire order Titanosauria as an effect would be forced to be renamed.
Really, everyone, you imagine the taxonomic mess and chaos that will occured if that happen ? Because the term Titanosaurs have very well implemented in people minds since a good time by know.
Because of that, better to be forever dubious and remain still extant rather than to be invalid and to not exist.
Ceratopsia hasn't been renamed despite the dubiousness of _Ceratops montanus_ , nor has Troodontidae despite the dubiousness of _Troodon formosus_ . Families and orders especially don't have to have type genera that bear their name, Titanosauria will keep its name despite _Titanosaurus indicus_ being a nomen dubium.
And for the record, science will adapt if paleontologists for whatever reason decide to rename Titanosauria (which is unlikely anyway; _Tyrannosaurus_ kept its name despite technically being a junior synonym due to its popularity). People will learn to cope.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 They will have only if they found out the targeted genera in question are definitively and proved to be invalid, but that will never happen because that just impossible to prove in the case of these three.
Aside, I wasn't aware that T-rex was in the same situation than Dimetrodon which the true name is Bathygnatus.
Obviousely, Ceratops, Troodon and Titanosaurus are animals which as animals of a given species have indeed existed (the fact that we found and recorded their bones ate definite proofs of that), but now it is just up to see if they were either indeed their own apart genera or just specimens from another and already named before genera we know.
But even if we found out to be part of another already named before them, it's very unlikely that scientists made them invalid, at least for some, as some of them are also very popular and used animals in both scientific litterature and by the public.
Chances are high they also received T-rex and Dimetrodon's exceptionnal treatement of favor.