If (more) realism is your goal, you should use Haas effect instead of panning. It's the same with reverb, most people make instruments sound that they come from speakers instead of an actual stage. If you ever want to create the illusion that the sound comes from a stage in a large concert hall you should roll off some low and high frequencies and dip some mids slightly (creating an M shape in your EQ) on each instrument. The more you want to push an instrument to the back the more you roll off the lows and highs. Combine this with the haas effect for panning and you can make your music instantly more realistic (if you ever fancy this).
This is what I need to learn the most while doing things in avid sibelius. I got note performer and I got to make sure that the orchestra panning is correct. A picture is helpful but I might put that on a wallpaper.
Currently producing an epic trailer track in Logic, heard about panning but wasn't quite sure on the topic... but this video helped me understand! Thank You! New Subscriber :) Jacob.
Hello! I am from Sri Lanka. I am a young music enthusiast who loves to compose orchestra music using string instruments (violins 1, violins 2, viola, cello, and bass), a trombone, and other brass instruments (trumpet, clarinet, etc.) I love to compose SERIOUS film scores using string instruments, a trombone, and other brass instruments as I mentioned above. But I know nothing about Audio Engineering. I know that I will need to have some basic knowledge of playing the keyboard if I want to learn to compose music through a software like Logic Pro X, Cubase, etc. I don't know how and where to start learning. Do you think I should join an audio engineering school and follow a course? What course will help me to learn and be good at composing music especially SERIOUS film scores using string and brass instruments? Is it Digital Music Composition? My aims are to learn how to compose music through a software, acquire knowledge and composing skills, and be good at composing music especially serious film scores using string instruments and brass instruments. Please give me essential tips, brother. 😊
I don't know of any course that helps with that. THe cinema sound course helps with the mixing aspect and applying music to a scene. I even go through an entire 2.5 minute cue from start to finish to show the anatomy of how it works, tempo maps, beat mapping, orchestration, sound choices, hits, and just about every aspect of composing - EXCEPT for the composing part. That you have to generate on your own...or study with a film composer as I did for 10 years. I DO recommend our Music chapters in the cinema sound education, however. vimeo.com/ondemand/cinemasoundmusic
Cinema_Sound - Very useful! I have an anecdote that leads to a question that maybe you can take a stab at - skip the anecdote if you like! In 2019 (in Portland, no less) a talented engineer took the FM Harpsichord I played out of a recording and tried to replace with a "realistic, 'real' one," software of course... Didn't work at all. Either the notes I wrote for the FM instrument didn't translate - or by moving them to a realistic harpsichord, then everything in the whole recording needed to be adjusted. This was for a music-on-hold project; the other instruments were celli, flute and electric bass (doubling the celli). Q. Do established, or big-time film composers generally pan the orchestral instruments in their scores to match the established position of players in a real symphony? I ask the question because in pop music it's sometimes obvious where say, a lead guitar part should go in a song - wherever it "sounds best." So in the harpsichord piece, I did the same and - boy did it backfire.
this strict imitation of the original position is exactly what you don’t hear in so many mixes of real orchestras playing classical music. Many times is the contrary: it is mixed based on compensation . More than this, if you write for orchestra i suppose you know where are the instruments , this is the same of knowing what “orchestra” means
If (more) realism is your goal, you should use Haas effect instead of panning. It's the same with reverb, most people make instruments sound that they come from speakers instead of an actual stage. If you ever want to create the illusion that the sound comes from a stage in a large concert hall you should roll off some low and high frequencies and dip some mids slightly (creating an M shape in your EQ) on each instrument. The more you want to push an instrument to the back the more you roll off the lows and highs. Combine this with the haas effect for panning and you can make your music instantly more realistic (if you ever fancy this).
Hi Mark. I'm so impressed by your sound setting. Do you sell template?
Thanks. I can sell you the logic file, but there won't be any instruments in them. Those can't be copied of course.
@@MarksMoneySecrets Unfortunately, I use Cubase/Nuendo ☹. Hope you release cinematic music mixing/composing someday.
Super useful information!! Thank you so much!!
4:35 - Where is the video???
This is what I need to learn the most while doing things in avid sibelius. I got note performer and I got to make sure that the orchestra panning is correct. A picture is helpful but I might put that on a wallpaper.
Currently producing an epic trailer track in Logic, heard about panning but wasn't quite sure on the topic... but this video helped me understand! Thank You! New Subscriber :) Jacob.
This is what I've been looking for. I can't get depth in what I've made. Ty. What video do you talk more about depth?
What do you mean by depth?
Hello!
I am from Sri Lanka.
I am a young music enthusiast who loves to compose orchestra music using string instruments (violins 1, violins 2, viola, cello, and bass), a trombone, and other brass instruments (trumpet, clarinet, etc.)
I love to compose SERIOUS film scores using string instruments, a trombone, and other brass instruments as I mentioned above. But I know nothing about Audio Engineering. I know that I will need to have some basic knowledge of playing the keyboard if I want to learn to compose music through a software like Logic Pro X, Cubase, etc.
I don't know how and where to start learning. Do you think I should join an audio engineering school and follow a course?
What course will help me to learn and be good at composing music especially SERIOUS film scores using string and brass instruments? Is it Digital Music Composition?
My aims are to learn how to compose music through a software, acquire knowledge and composing skills, and be good at composing music especially serious film scores using string instruments and brass instruments.
Please give me essential tips, brother. 😊
I don't know of any course that helps with that. THe cinema sound course helps with the mixing aspect and applying music to a scene. I even go through an entire 2.5 minute cue from start to finish to show the anatomy of how it works, tempo maps, beat mapping, orchestration, sound choices, hits, and just about every aspect of composing - EXCEPT for the composing part.
That you have to generate on your own...or study with a film composer as I did for 10 years.
I DO recommend our Music chapters in the cinema sound education, however.
vimeo.com/ondemand/cinemasoundmusic
@@cinema_sound5003 Thank you, mate.
I don't use the pan built into Logic, I like to use the plugin
You are big boy buddy
Cinema_Sound - Very useful!
I have an anecdote that leads to a question that maybe you can take a stab at - skip the anecdote if you like!
In 2019 (in Portland, no less) a talented engineer took the FM Harpsichord I played out of a recording and tried to replace with a "realistic, 'real' one," software of course... Didn't work at all. Either the notes I wrote for the FM instrument didn't translate - or by moving them to a realistic harpsichord, then everything in the whole recording needed to be adjusted. This was for a music-on-hold project; the other instruments were celli, flute and electric bass (doubling the celli).
Q. Do established, or big-time film composers generally pan the orchestral instruments in their scores to match the established position of players in a real symphony?
I ask the question because in pop music it's sometimes obvious where say, a lead guitar part should go in a song - wherever it "sounds best." So in the harpsichord piece, I did the same and - boy did it backfire.
I find this to be true, yes.
THey tend to because they're always mixing real instruments in with their in-the-box sounds.
Sad thing is most Folks now listen on Cell Phones and No Bass Thanks For the Video Great Job 🎸🎻🎼☮
this strict imitation of the original position is exactly what you don’t hear in so many mixes of real orchestras playing classical music. Many times is the contrary: it is mixed based on compensation . More than this, if you write for orchestra i suppose you know where are the instruments , this is the same of knowing what “orchestra” means
Which DAW softwares are you using in your 85 hour tutorials. "it doesn't really matter" might be the wrong lever (at least) for me.
Gimme link, i'll tell you
i lost in your cristal eyes 🤷♂️😍
so what is the video talking about? follow the real orchestra pattern and what?
and profit
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