SO THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED!?! |How KIM WOOJIN became the "villain" of KPOP
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The fact that Chan also recieved hate for not being able to keep StrayKids as a 9 member group is crazy
Yap that’s the one thing I didn’t like in this video. It made it seem like only woojin got hurt and everyone else moved on with their life. Don’t get me wrong ofc woojin went thru hell but stray kids went thru a lot too but the video seems to only focus on how stays are very toxic (not even some stays according to the video it’s everyone ) it seemed a lil biased but since everglow is an anti skz it’s understandable that she didn’t put some stuffs that should be in the video
But it’s “stays” who did it
And later all I see is ppl hate on Woojin because Chan got those comments about keeping 9, while it’s YOU AND your fandom who’s doing it like
Some stays are such hypocrites which just blows my mind
BRO FOR REAL??? IF I COULD HURT SOMEONE!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!??😒
See if he didn't show sadness or anything that means that there is something wrong and he deserves it
@@hotterthanyourex3541 ....hum hum and ARMY OR THE OTHER FANDON ARE????
I really hope that everyone in the comments is gonna be respectful. I hate it sm when some stays fight bc of woojin 😭
Yea 🥲
I agree! why spread hate? if you don’t like someone, just ignore them! why purposely go on a video of someone you strongly dislike just to hate. 🤕
As a Stay, I would never. Spreading hate is just wrong especially when both parties are happy now and living I hope, their best. I had no idea this happen to Woojin. All I knew was that he left and it was his choice and I respected that because I know just how bad the Kpop industry is so its understandable. Woojin is such a nice guy as from what I seen from the clips of him I saw. I know nothing about him tbh but he seemed close with the members especially Chan. God, I hate anti fans. They do the most😒
I thought not so many people hated Woojin, but when i entered in stayville on twitter i realized that most of stays hate Woojin.
I became a stay months before Woojin left and i did used to hate him on the past, not really hate because it’s too strong but i didn’t liked him, nowadays we still not knowing what happened, he admitted that he left because he was immature and he wasn’t thinking abt the team but he’s better now.
Rn i can’t say i like him or i hate him, i just think we should leave everything in the past and stop hating on him.
We don’t need to know what really happened, no one knows besides themselves. Remember this happened 4 years ago and now Woojin and Skz are off happily doing their own things. Opinions are valid but remember it’s a touchy subject that could trigger different reactions. Stan who you wanna stan support who you want to support and don’t spread any more hate than there already is. Yup woojin was a part of skz’s journey just as Skz was a part of Woojin’s journey. They have both changed and grown so much since then. Let’s keep rooting for our faves in a kind respectful way !!!🤗🤗🤗
Love this!!!! Couldn't have said it any better myself!
This is just a situation to not dwell on too much anymore and just let bygones be bygones and move on.
It's been so long already, digging for details and constantly questioning his departure isn't gonna change the past.
In the end, what really matters is that they are happy at where they're at now Skz as Skz now and Woojin as Woojin now.
Exactly 🫶
@@stayville-connections
perfectly said
Yup
the video explains it pretty well, and even though I personally don’t really like him, I don’t hate on him. but i gotta add a few things here
it's never been fully confirmed, but there's a huge indication of the fact that woojin never left, but was kicked out instead. kicked out is maybe a harsh word, but he definitely couldn’t have left fully on his own personal wishes. companies simply aren’t that nice, and they won’t risk losing that much money. idols still have contracts to fulfill, even if he wanted to leave he could've never done it. at least, not RIGHT before an entire comeback and their world tour.
skz had to re-record the entire levanter album, redo the shootings, re-record music videos. for their world tour they had to re-record the entire set list they’ve prepared, and change all their choreographies. in the music video ‘astronaut’ there’s even a few clips of them as 9, that’s how rushed their preparations were. it didn’t seem well planned, at all. they went through an extreme amount of stress during that time, they had to overwork themselves way more than initially planned. hyunjin broke down on stage because he was scared stays would leave them, and promised they'll work harder so he can be someone we're proud of.
the week before it was announced, it was the first time ever that chan missed a "chans room" episode without any explanation. they also didn't celebrate lee knows birthday on the same week, not even with a post. it was complete silence from them and no one knew what was going on, and then the announcement came
when idols leave their groups on their own, usually to sooth the fans they still openly stay in contact. but skz never talks about woojin, not even right after he left, they pretended like he didn't exist. I will argue that they probably weren’t allowed to talk about him because every company has different rules for idols. they completely erased his existence in their discography, and his history in skz. they seem to have a “the past is the past” attitude, so I’ll have one too. neutral.
in their most recent SKZ-LOG video, they watched their old stages. levanter was the first comeback of them as 8 as you know, so they all got really quiet. which we all know is odd. When all of them are together, they’re usually never quiet. hyunjin then mentioned how spiteful they were back then. and chan said that levanter is their beginning, their *real* debut. they tried their best to not associate him to skz anymore, so i simply ignore him in skz content. But if you want to support him as a soloist, that’s ur own choice. just don’t wish him back in skz, because I’ve seen people do that, and they got cooked alive.
No one knows what hat actually happened, or the extent things went behind the scenes. I don’t believe the accusations against him, but I still distance myself from him since I don’t have a connection with him. but i love stray kids a lot. that's why as a stay, i don't like him. i won't actively hate on him, but he's almost a reminder of all the hard times skz had to go through during that time. that's why most stays don't want to associate with him. and the stays that were there during that time are hurt, and feel betrayed, just like skz.
that's kind of an explanation why there's bad blood between stays and kim woojin. i hope i was able to make it sound neutral as well as showing stays perspective. he shouldn’t be harassed or bullied by people, but most stays have a pretty neutral opinion on him and it’s better that way.
Thanks for making this comment.
Perfectly said
yup, it's simply just that - a reminder of the pain we had to go through. I don't understand those who try to guilt trip stays for not supporting him and for wanting to have skz not be assosiated with him. It's our fav group's and our fandom's trauma - why won't you let us deal with it the most peaceful way possible - by ignoring his existence?
I don't like him, but I don't write hateful posts about him. A don't wish any harm on him. I can watch skz content with him in it and still enjoy it. But I won't ever follow him as solo artist, I won't ever watch reactions to his solo content, I won't randomly start a conversation about him, participate in one or even bring his name up. Because it just doesn't feel nice, it's painful and uncomfortable. And it's okay if you do all that. But I don't. I just don't want him being rubbed in my face while i'm trying to happily enjoy skz, who promote as 8 for twice as long as they did being 9, goddamnit. I don't want anyone telling me I have to love and praise him or else I'm a terrible person, which a lot of people do as a counter to all the hate toxic stays post online. I wish everyone just would be normal about it. Like you said - the past is the past.
Thanks for your comment. After seeing so many polarised loud opinions over the years I'm glad to see someone put my thoughts into words.
@@akumarina_ dude, you're completely right for feeling that and thinking that because I think and feel the same way. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this way.
I hope nigel reads this comment. even if the accusations are fake, he must have done something to be kicked out (i'm not saying it has to be inherently bad, but something that breached contract) because like you said, companies don't let idols go that easily. besides, he's a petty person, because why would he announce a comeback on STAYs' anniversary, or announce his fandom's name on SKZ's anniversary? he obviously knew what he was doing.
nothing was ever proved about him, nothing was ever confirmed, no official statements about the sudden reason he left apart from the one from the company. SKZ never mention him. stays make assumptions based on false allegations and hate on him. no one knows apart from the direct people involved so stays (in my personal opinion) shouldn’t hate. if you don’t like him, just ignore him. I’m not a fan of woojin but I won’t unnecessarily hate because hating on someone can do damage we don’t even realise
I don’t think people should hate on him, but I also don’t think that people should constantly involve him in skz content because he specifically asked not to be associated with them anymore and people still continue to include him in the Content. I don’t think it’s wrong for people to censor his face in videos since he did say himself, he didn’t wanna be in them.
And I also think since what happened at the time was so messy and confusing. A lot of people still have built up resentment and I think it’s fair for people to not want to talk about him or kind of distance themselves from him but I don’t think it’s OK to hate on him yk?
@@HaikyuuHavoc oh I totally agree, I no longer associate him with stray kids but a lot of stays do still, I was a stay when he was in stray kids but I’m respecting both him and stray kids and not involving him. I think there were a lot of assumptions made and it’s sad that an image was built around him. I’ll continue to respect him and not involve him in stray kids content
Right, it's so hard sometimes 😢 but I'm happy being a STAY and a CUB ❤️🔥🥰
stays not even hate him for the allegations (stays even don't really believe about bullying allegations either). most of stays don't like him because he made the rest of skz members got mentally breakdown because him leaving, chan got death threat from w fans because "he can't protect the 9", they have to redone everything for levanter contents (reshot the mv and photos which is consume a lot of time) and the concert (they have to re-arrange everything from zero again which is again, it can drained their physically and mentally so much). and the one that made stays angry is that while he made clarification about sexual harassment rumor on his "documentary", he and his agency shamelessly promoting his solo debut on the same video, use the allegations as the "aesthetic" for it, use a lot of memes for that too. this is what makes stays don't like him (even when the allegations came out for the first time, there's a lot of stays that still supported him but got turned off after the "documentary")
skz removed him completely from their work nor their history also said a lot. chn indirectly talked about him on live, said he knows someone that has to "get the worst consequences" for that that person done and said "stay knows what i'm saying". stays immedietly think it was for w and after years too, he didn't "correcting" stays if what we think is wrong (because he can easily correcting stays like what he did to stays who thought that "I don't want to admit" is for w). he also doesn't like it when media or anyone use skz old pictures with 9 members on it.
i mean you can be fans of him, no one stopping you for that but i just want to correcting on why stays don't like him. like, a lot.
@@yoh2850Exactly, I feel the same way as you. I 100% agree.
I actually listen to woojins music every now and then. And I seen that he took up acting, and is in multiple shows. I honestly just feel like he left to become a soloist, straykids just wasn’t his vibe. People think chan hates him, but I think he is just hurting because he couldn’t keep the group together. The people who ruined that man’s life should be ashamed honestly .
Also would Chan really let someone bully his members? 🤨 let’s be Fr. He wouldn’t have had him in the group for that long if that was the case
thank you literally my thought process i just think skz wasn’t his style & he wanted to be comfortable in his own taste
@@mariahlewis579TRUE
Especially with him being mistreated by fans and staff, I wouldn’t like to be there either like I’d want to go out on my own. Being in a group sometimes where you can have favourite and least favourite members as the least favourite your role in the group is kinda like playing backup to somebody else’s dream, Woojin left and did what he wanted to do, got the opportunists he wanted and is now living his dream
@@_LoveMeKnot YH and he did what he want to do even his RUclips channel is fun
As a stay since pre-debut, and have seen all that has happened. Yes, I was hurt and cried my eyes out because it happened all of a sudden. We wanted him back and begged for jyp. The kids were hurt, if you didn't know their unlock tour, then you don't know how it felt to be lost and broken again. (in kpop when a member left there are high chance a group won't be successful) Back then skz begged stays to stay, and open up a bit... hyunjin broke down in tears that the they all worked so hard and worried about stays have to say about it. The comeback was delayed and everything needed to change, the song, the choreography, everything! In the last half of the month. It was stressful. The kids work so hard and we stays try our best to make the skz smile again by winning levanter. You can't blame everything on stays. Everyone is hurt at that time and not all stays are the ones who hate him. There are some random accounts that just want to put fuel into the fire. 2019-2020 are the worst year for stays and at the same time one of the best.. We saw skz grow and move on. And we stays try to support skz as 8 members and respect woojin as a solo artist. That's why it's still a lil sensitive seeing someone mention or include him in their recent activities because that means you still haven't moved on and disrespect wj for including him to skz when he's the one who wanted to leave. But then again past is the past and seeing this video make me open up more to him. I'm saying this for our newer stay! Thanks for the video :)
i'm thankful that the world still has people like you.
he finally found out😭
i’m gonna miss the days where he’s like „..*gasp* 😶that’s woojin😨“ HAHAHHAHA
It was rly funny ngl 😭
with the sound effects 😭 I’d be like “oh lord here he goes again”
now that he seen this ima miss when he goes “🫢.. is that.. aint that woojin…oh my…😶..”
same lol, it was like funny but not you know what I mean lmao 😭
1:18:13 as a stay who have been following these news, companies of kpop idols often forbid them to talk about things. They are often forced to apologize to public without having the freedom to defend themselves and they are often reprimanded when things like that happens.
Yea. Like when Hyunjin apologized even though it had been proven he didn't do anything wrong. Although knowing him, he might have done it anyway for Stay.
something that makes it hurt even more is that woojin was chan's only hyung and when he left chan got so much hate for not keeping stray kids as 9
through the whole survival show the thing that kept them going was debuting and staying as 9, i guess that's what chan was referencing in the vlive about broken promises and betrayal
To me that doesn’t matter, if someone is unhappy where they are then you support your friend through that not demonise them leaving
@@_LoveMeKnotother friends of chan left jype and we always see him being supportive and friendly with them so if he's acting a certain way with someone who he claims betrayed them is because something happened and chan is a grow man who can decide how he talks about it, even if he demonized him in your opinion.
@@_LoveMeKnot u don’t know what happened between them so you can’t assume u know how Chan should’ve felt. He is allowed to express how he felt after what they went through to debut together. Tho his comments set off the whole situation it’s was rlly stays that r responsible for blowing everything out of proportion at the time.
Exactly i feel the same.
@@mariarios499Chan could follow KWJ's example, he never brought up SKZ's name again, he just buried it deep in his past, it's like it was never there.
Chan has worked so hard and trained for so long to debut together with the members he personally chose including Woojin, but to know that he left right before they're going to have their comeback and SKZ had to redo everything, Chan said that their start is when Woojin was no longer there and kinda got angry when they used their old photos when Woojin was still in the group in a live and none of the kids has mentioned him since he left made me feel uncomfortable and somewhat sad watching something related to him. There must be a serious reason behind his leave. I wish we could respect Chan for everything he has done for SKZ and also Woojin for whatever reason he has to leave by not talking about this anymore.
JYP doen't allow groups to mention their former members. I've seen stays only focusing on chan but forgetting Seungmin did want to see the old performances and also sung his part in I am you in recent skz log. they aren't focusing on that but the part where says levanter is the beginning?
I agree we shouldn't talk abt this tired discourse anymore, but it's important to remember that Chan is a human being like anyone else, and he also isn't the only one who worked hard to debut. Skz has gone through the gutter for the past 5 years being overworked by JYPE, never given breaks and constantly getting sick and collapsing. It's not that farfetched to think woojin didn't want to spend his life like that, especially since he was older and more mature than the kids at the time. He read the writing on the wall. Not even to mention that if your friend Becky says your other friend Jessica is a bitch, you wouldn't exactly believe her with no reason right? Chan hasn't given a reason.
No group in kpop will talk about former members, that's just how it is, literally look at any other group when members left for various reasons they never being talked about once they leave.
And maybe y'all can just acknowledge the sh*t Woojin had been through since pre debut? He was mistreated by fans and company, I can't imagine staying in a place that isn't good to me. And Woojin himself twice hinted it was his choice to leave and with intentions to leave the industry.
And about the leaving time so I wonder if you have any better time to suggest? A week before double knot they announced the new tour and the finished the previous one just 2 days before the announcement, it was at the end of September 2019. He left after double knot promotions were over, a whole month before the cb (that then was postponed for 2 weeks). Let go with ppl saying he should have left after the cb, let’s say right after the release, what is the point? And let’s say after the promotion that's around the end of December, which is exactly a month before the new tour, so how is it better? That they have less time to adjust to 8 members for the new tour? When he left gave them enough time to adjust every both fir the cb and the tour. Their schedule was always packed, they were overworked and still are to this day. No time is actually right or good, but that seem like the best option jype could go with. So now I wonder do you have a better option of time? With looking at their packed schedule. It's always why Woojin is at wrong, why he isn't OK, when maybe y'all cam acknowledge that what is actually known is that he just left cuz he went through sh*t and y'all just can't accept he is not the villain y'all try to paint as🤷♀️
@@jamiejamie5554 I wondered about this as well. Woojin was called fat and ugly every day for two years and JYP didn't do anything to defend him. All they did was put him on a diet. JYP was petitioned to have him kicked out of the group because he's "ugly." Why would he want to stay? If Woojin is as bad as some people say, he wouldn't be working because people may put up with bad behavior by a popular star, but not someone like Woojin who has a small fan base. He's had 4 OSTs, an album, a world tour, a movie, a series, and now a musical and he was on all the music shows. There are two sides to every story and no one ever stops to think that Woojin may have had very good reasons to leave.
@@janedoe678 exactly, all of this
to be honest, out of the stays i’ve met, this isn’t why most of them aren’t a fan of him since these accusations were never proven. from my experience most stays that dislike him are just annoyed that he chose to leave right before a comeback that had already been announced and their first world tour without any explanation, which made it really difficult for the rest of the boys. this video also didn’t really touch on how it affected the group at all and they’ve made it obvious they do not want to be associated with eachother anymore.
Their schedule has always been super packed. There was no right/wrong moment to leave.
This narrative has been used by stays to keep harassing him after the SA accusations were proven false.
the only reason why stays are NOW saying they aren’t a fan of him due to him leaving and the “damage” he did to skz, is because they have nothing else to point to after basically everything else (that they originally hated him for) was proven false. give me a break, at the end of day he’s a grown ass man who can make grown ass decisions, people ridiculing him for leaving when no one knows why he even left is ridiculous! there’s no excuses left, just say you hate him and go.
@@acehjs okay… so is that supposed to be a good reason to hate him or something?? it’s not that deep the group will survive i promise you. did it suck? maybe. was it more difficult? probably yeah. but at the end of the day they need to respect him for making that decision, and the fans need to respect it too, the timing was just unfortunate… that’s it.
@@acehjs like i said, no one even knows why he left so for you to call him selfish based off of what you think is the “truth” is crazy, but to each their own. he doesn’t need anyone’s forgiveness, there’s nothing he did to need it.
@@capricornmemes5698 it would've been different if it wasn't for the fact that he immediately became a solo artist, made a fake label, and didn't address any issues whatsoever. Boy is just shady as f
I'm very indifferent about Woojin. But for Chan to say "Levanter was our beginning" recently shows how much Stray Kids were (and are to this day) deeply affected by his abrupt departure. They have mentioned how EIGHT IS FATE countless times. That speaks volumes as to how much hurt Woojin caused to his members. I'm sure they were resentful, how could they not? Woojin left during preparations. Stray Kids had to suddenly rerecord songs and change the choreography. I can't imagine the mental and physical toll it had on them. Plus, they were all close to Woojin so they definitely felt sad and betrayed (especially Chan). Look, Stays can support Woojin if they want but personally, I will never do that because of what SKZ have said.
that's exactly how I feel
It's funny that yall ignore that they said it again when God's menu came one. You all just want confirmation bias and pick and choose. Woojin has always been scandal free, except the controversies that Chan and Stays put him in, Chan has had controversy after controversy. He's not a reliable source.
Quit honestly I don't want people with selective compassion supporting Woojin. He's too good of a person, but every other week yall come up with a new excuse. Pack it up.
Ok but hear me out, why is it only about stray kids? What about all the shit Woojin was going through for him to leave? What about that? Should he stay just because it’s convenient for other members and ignore how he feels? Does that seem right to you? And let’s be real yeah having to rework stuff was abit of a nuisance BUT have you seen how overworked stray kids are? Doing that little thing years ago is nothing compared to the work load they’re on now like be real. if they resent Woojin for doing what’s right for him and putting his mental state first then that says a lot more about them than it does Woojin. I’m tired of the stray kids this, stray kids that but no one cares about what he went through, more than just having to re-record songs he almost had his career and life ruined so freaking what you had to re-record a few seconds of each song with how little lines he got but not only that but they literally profit off of redoing said songs and to add another thing STAYS LITERALLY BEGGED THEM TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO LISTEN TO SONGS WITH WOOJIN IN.
@@_LoveMeKnotIt's about Stray Kids only because (*gasp*) I'm a STAY. I said I'm indifferent about Woojin, meaning I don't care about him. So of course I'm going to make it about SKZ only. I don't hate Woojin and I do feel bad about him being falsely accused. No one should get death threats and harassment from the Internet for something they didn't do. Stray Kids are overworked, I'm not denying that. Many Stays are mass emailing JYPE about it. I hope they can get extended breaks and vacations. But that has nothing to do with what I said in my previous comment nor does it justify what you said. Lastly, SKZ can feel how they want to. Woojin was their friend and he betrayed them. Woojin choosing his mental health first is valid but so are SKZ feelings about it.
@@_LoveMeKnot i get what you mean but we don’t really know all of that it’s clear that Skz were hurt by whatever woojin did but because we don’t know the whole story we can’t really have much of an opinion
All I wanna say to the people in the comments is this: please do your own independent research. Please do not blindly follow rumours spread on the internet. If you are going to look into this situation, make sure to use neutral sources and come to your own conclusions.
If you do not support Kim Woojin for whatever reason (which is absolutely valid. You do not have to like him if this is where your research concludes) we only ask that you do not spread hate and misinformation about him.
As you can see, it can be extremely harmful and damaging if you do so. If you don't like him, just ignore him. Don't mention him, don't spread hate, dont spread lies. Just ignore him. Let him finally live his life in peace, he has been through enough.
Everyone should just move on. It's been years
As for what you were saying about how the members could've come out and said something about the bullying accusations, I'm pretty sure that they weren't allowed to mention Woojin at all whether it be directly or indirectly. In JYP especially as we've seen from the Woojin situation and even the Hyunjin hiatus situation, the remaining SKZ members are not allowed mention their names at all or even speak of them. It was probably a legally binding thing. Also, Woojin was no longer a member, so SKZ weren't able to do anything legally even if they wanted to because he wasn't their problem. They also might have felt somewhat betrayed just from the fact that even if he innocent of all of the allegations, he still left them in the middle of album promotions which only increased the burden on everyone else and it happened so fast.
He does not have to apologize for having his health and family as a priority, all the hate he received was unnecessary, if another skz member had done it they would not have had the same reaction
from the beginning it was seen that k!stay did not want it, it was the one that received the least support during that season, it is pathetic that stay says that it is an issue that hurts them. lmao
you write so confidently that the reason is "his health and family?" But no one said what the reason was
@@staysroom_ot8 woojin said it, find out before you want to correct someone LMAO
@@spideroierrr3can u pls send the link to where he said that? im a baby stay and j wanna know a bit more whats going on 😭
If it was any other member, they would have been treated the same way. I still remember what they did to hyunjin when the bully accusations came out and also the resent "One night stand" accusation. He is still being hated by people till this day.
So yes, I believe if it was another member they would have been treated the same way.
We just all have to learn from this and be better humans.
I hate how long it took for people to really start talking about this situation as something we all should stay neutral in. Stays made it really hard not to feel like a bad guy just because you wanted to stay neutral. I'm glad Woojin is doing music like he always wanted to now, and there is a documentary on the case that his company posted on RUclips clearing the situation. Which is why everyone is talking about it now. But if you want to watch it that video does exist. :) thanks for your reaction
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"Nobody is going to believe the truthwhen the lie is more entertaining" that hits hard because is so true, good phrase btw
I honestly think the Stray Kids members themselves didn’t know abt Woojin’s sudden departure, the way Chan was talking in the video is like Woojin just suddenly left or decided to leave without talking with the members or letting them know that’s why they didn’t stop the release of “astronaut”.
I think that it can't be a sudden departure when there is a contract involved, it was his job and there's too many people around to keep it a secret.
Idols fight legal battles to be able to leave a company and he was off too easily in my opinion, jyp had said before that they never say why idols left in order to not damage the image of the people involve. Also the fact that their relationship seem to be broken prior to him leaving the group.
Perhaps I will tell you a big secret, but an idol who has signed a contract with a company cannot break it when he wants.. By signing a contract with the company, the idol becomes a slave. No wonder so many people say.. an idol is a slave.. He cannot terminate the contract with the company only at his own request. And if this does happen, then he will have to pay a lot of money in the form of a fine. And as far as I know, Woojin is not from a rich family..
@@staysroom_ot8As far as I know at the time he even went back to his brother's house in China to pay for breaking the contract which was very expensive, so yes, he broke the contract, in my opinion something very bad happened
My only issue which proves that all the allegations is what made ppl turn on him. The fact that Jinni and Woojin had theexact same statements when they left. Yet Woojin is hated and Jinni is supported. That math don't add up.
I personally believe Chan had the right to say what he said during his vlive just like Woojin had the right to respond or not respond to the situation. In my opinion, Chan saying people make mistakes and breaking promises, betrayal etc.; did not insinuate a campaign to hate on Kim Woojin or create false accusation against him. Those people acted alone. It personally bothers me that the video creator often lumped the entire Stay fandom into the activities of a few. A lot of Stays were hurting and spreading love however the narrator continually drag Stays as a whole throughout the video. This person made great points and I agree its no ones business why he left the group. However, sorry for the unpopular opinion but the narrator’s tone gave off a Stray Kids / stay anti vibe especially towards the end. I hope those watching take away that there is so much love and positivity in Stayville even during tumultuous times.
Never planned on watching the original video but Thank you for sharing and it was interesting to get your honest take Nigel.
I heard that the narriortor is actually a stray kids anti so the fact that u didn't even know that and u got the vibe is crazy and I 100% agree with u about Chan expressing his opinion just like woojin did and I understand that woojin went thru hell but the video made it seem like stray kids weren’t affected by it at all uk and for Nigel as a baby stay that might give the wrong impression about skz because it just looked like stray kids just moved on and woojin was left hurted like stray kids were hurt too (I’m not comparing which one was hurt more ) but the narriotor has been liking stuff that drags Chan and she even posted video recently that is titled “Chan is wrong and I don’t feel sorry for him” about the Chan and IVE thing and I didn’t even watched the video because nothinggg will convince me that the fact that Chan said some idols don’t have basic manner and he didn’t even mentioned names but automatically a specific fandom got triggered by it and then HE APOLOGIZED? Even tho he didn’t do ntn and even after that she decided to make a video why Chan was wrong??? That’s anti vibe if u ask me
You're right they give anti vibes
Woojin can't say anything due to the NDA and I am pretty sure it goes both ways, the group can't speak about him and viceversa.
Chan decided to sneakily speak about it and even got in a bit of trouble for it. If you notice the timeline he wasn't allowed to go live for a bit
Yes but let's not act as though he didn't light the match whether it was intentional or not.
Given chan has shown his frustration with stays repeatedly when it comes to stays bashing the company and demanding things of JYP on skzs behalf, he is well aware that stays like all kpop fandoms have at least a sector within them that are immature and childish, if not downright destructive.
He has on several occasions (with the most recent being the IVE situation) set his fans off on people by directing negative statements towards groups/individuals that he doesnt hide the identities of well enough (and stays arent stupid so they find out every time who he's talking about) when he should really just have these conversations with the people they concern instead of telling millions of fans what his problems are. He should know better by now, especially seeing as he keeps on insisting that he 'sees everything'.
I understand people like chan's so-called 'realness' but what would have been real would be for him to get on live and explicitly tell fans to stop harassing a man based on false accusations and thier own hurt feelings.
Also, at what point did she actually bash skz? All her point criticise either skz or stays behaviors. If you watch her 'ranking stage presence' series, she actually praises skz, especially 3racha, a lot. Having a posting opinions or disagreeing with someone actions/opinions doesn't not make you a hater. if that was the case I'm sure you must hate aosta everyone in your lives because there is not one person you'll never disagree with.
My main thing is: Bang Chan should’ve known what would happen when he said all of that. This drama felt like something personal and I think he should’ve kept those words to himself. No matter if he meant it to cause the harm or not (he most likely didn’t, he isn’t a monster LOL) they still had a decent following and there are some fans that will go above and beyond because Chan said what he felt during that moment. Sure, it fucking sucks that he can’t speak his mind, but him doing that can lead to a lot of bad things, like recently with IVE. Like, I don’t understand why fans can’t just let an artist have an opinion and move on with their life. But because there are fans like that, Bang Chan should probably watch what he says more, or else that’ll be bad for both him and others.
As a Cub, I'd rather have people not mention him at all rather than destroy his mental health again. Whenever a Kpop idol dies people bring up treating idols like people and yet Woojin was never treated like that. The horrible death threats, music parodies, bullying etc. No one thought of Woojin as a human being. I don't care that some people don't like him, just treat him like a human. I don't get the people who wanted him to stay despite not being happy. Why are people acting like they know what Skz is thinking. Getting angry on behalf of Skz as if they are guard dogs. Btw idols that cancel contracts have NDAs. Exo was not allowed to mention the previous 3 members until recently . Same with Super Junior and Hangeng, Only One Of and Love . It's not because of some Heinous reason , it's just how things work
I'm still a very new Stay and I've seen so many Stay say such rude and horrible things about Woojin. I don't know exactly what happened between the boys and I don't need to know. I just want the kids to continue to thrive and I hope the best for Woojin. I can tell that him leaving hurt not only the kids but Stay too and Stay latched on to the idea of him being this evil person to make themselves feel better. It's so sad to see and no one deserves to go thought this, if they're innocent!
As a cub and a stay I'm happy to see others not blindly hate Woojin. I hope you have fun and grow as a baby stay, the group is genuinely so good and I'm happy to watch more people join the fandom!!!🫶❤️
I remember those days. We were all so worried when kids were silent, and then the announcement came, and I remember crying because I couldn't believe it. It was so hard to move on. I remember we all were so happy when Woojin started his own insta. But then those rumors started spreading, and I remember I couldn't understand anything. Like, anything. Who was telling the truth? Who was lying? Who was hurting more? And the funny fact is, we probably would never know the truth. Anyway, that was such a traumatic experience for me, so I really don't want to re-live it again. Stray kids are my family. And Woojin is just a part of my past. He's not in my life anymore, and without me knowing the WHOLE truth from both sides, I can't imagine allowing him back. Maybe, I'm being a hypocrite for choosing kids, choosing to trust them over him. But I feel like they didn't give me a chance to question them while Woojin did. So, honestly, I don't follow Woojin, don't know what's he doing, and I will let it this way.
Edit: I don't think he deserved that amount of hate, but we still DON'T KNOW WHY jype allowed him to leave 2 weeks before the comeback. Something DID happen behind the curtains, big or small, and we need to understand that we probably won't ever find the truth. BUT if we choose to stan skz and be a part of this family, then we need to respect their decision TO SEPARATE themselves from Woojin. Just a few weeks ago they've posted new skz vlog/show where they said that Levanter WAS THEIR BEGINNING. Then it IS their beginning. And we need to respect that
took the words right out of my mouth! those days were the absolute worst 😪
most cubs feel like there's a lot of evidence to back up that he left due to mistreatment, considering that when he left he said he had been debating leaving for a long time, and he also said he initially wanted to quit music and live as a normal person (until fans found him and told him to keep going)
when he was in skz he was put on very strict diets, since he was the most unpopular member (especially in Korea) due to him being percieved as fat and ugly. there's old skz content where he was shown eating only boiled corn while watching everyone else eat real food. Last year he even said that he only liked chicken so much back then because it was the only food he could eat outside of his starvation diet. He also said during still dream era that once he had his hair bleached until his head bled. He also happened to get the least amount of screen time during skz code and mvs, kstays wouldn't even sing him happy birthday. tbh I would've left too if my bosses treated me like this
@@kerokerokeroppi6399 okay, yeah, I remember that fucked up diet, it was awful. But still, it's not that easy to terminate your contract. It's not like you can leave a 2 weeks notice and be off. The levanter album was already recorded, the mvs were already filmed, the preparation for the world tour had already started, the physical albums were already produced. Imagine how much money jype had lost while redoing all of this, getting rid of all new albums? And then re recording old songs and stuff? And if I'm not mistaken, skzoo were announced around that time, but never came out. Was it because they had already created and manufactured a character for him, but needed to get rid of it too? I don't think they would've let him so easily and just agreed on getting themselves into that situation if it wasn't something serious. And yes, I'm talking about money here because it's business, they are working and producing money for their agency.
@@jureumko jyp has said before he’ll let go artists for personal reasons, we don’t truly know what went on behind the scenes
and about that, skz was (and is) so constantly overworked i feel like woojin would’ve NEVER found an opportunity to leave that wouldn’t have ruined a bunch of schedules
At this point, There needs to be a public apology to Woojin
I've been a stay since debut and it had hurt alot when Woojin left. All those rumours of bullying are fake. Honestly, 2019 was the hardest year for the boys and the kpop industry.
Maybe the hardest year for this group but not for the whole industry🫢
The kpop industry was taking a breath of fresh air in 2019 with Boy With Love🩷
@@Coly1234 But in 2019, Sulli died, Go Hara died, and much more. Even in google it says 2019 was the darkest year for kpop.
@@Coly1234 It was a hard year, many idols passed away others were also leaving their groups. The burning sun scandal and many other things happend. It definitely did not get a "breath of fresh air" because of one song
@@mayzaiz i’m talking about music😐
@@mayzaiz and the idols that passed away is all bc of you kpoppies. Yall are so toxic that those poor idols can’t take it anymore and commit scd. Them leaving the groups is the same story. İt is all bc of yalls toxic behaviours. Yall are bullying someone to death and when they are gone yall start talking shit like ‘’we should be more carefull or stop harassing idols,….’’ And a week later yall do the same shit all over again. So don’t come here with your ‘’darkest year for kpop’’ bullshit bc it is yall creations.
i think it’s important to remember that while stray kids have creative control over their music, they are still under contract- they can’t necessarily say or adress certain things without permission :/ a lot of people like to believe that they can do anything, and while they mostly can, controversy and all that is very tricky when ur an idol,,,,,, they probably aren’t allowed to (or if they really do have more freedom of speech) don’t want to talk about it. but still, the kids very strongly support having 8 members and i believe it’s time we just leave woojin behind
To this day it's still beyond me how stays and kpop stans in general continue to villanize him to the point of dehumanization like he is this object that has no feelings, and all the things he does are just ill-intended, an object that can do no right no matter what.
"he hurt the kids' feelings" but what about HIS feelings? how about how hurt he was at that time? do you think that deciding to leave a big company and a group that he cared about and spent a considerate amount of time training just to debut in was a walk in the park for him? or let's say that he was indeed kicked out: do you think that it was a good time for him? that he was having fun seeing his dream and effort vanish into thin air? (also a much-needed reminder that companies like jype have policies such as dating, things that are not bad and yet are considered a contract breach so pls be rational if yall must speculate of whys). He literally said that he needed time to heal, he wanted to quit music, he obviously was not okay with whatever was going on in his life, he was at a low point, and instead of being considerate or yk at least having basic human decency some of y'all decided that the right thing to do was to give him the "villain" title by fabricating stories about him smh (not just the sa but bullying rumors this whole baseless narratives that they hate him and so on...). He may have hurt the kids but what about what about y'all who even after almost 4 years still hurt his feelings with y'all name calling, malicious speculations and "he may be innocent of the sa allegations BUTS"? i guess that's okay if you don't see that someone as human. And since we are on the topic, it's really alarming how the majority of stays still see his departure as him having bad blood with the members instead of him not being okay with the company and its management (yk the same company that y'all bad mouth 24/7 for how they treat the kids by overworking them to death) and just to be fair since i've see someone quoting jyp about how they will kick out people who break rules and will not disclose the reason behind it to not harm their future, in that same interview jyp also said and i quote "It's very possible the artist and the company's vision does not align. We can talk, but if they only see the company as looking out for money then it’s so hard to reach any agreement" so sure he might have been kicked out by breaking some useless rule but he also might have decided to leave.
Another point i want to touch it the re-recording argument as a proof that he is "guilty" of something. Believe it or not i'm not here to tell you how to feel about him, what i can tell you is that there are some things you're not taking into consideration:
-while stray kids have artistic freedom they're not their own CEOs, they're not independent artists which means that there is a team behind them whose work involves making decisions for them, hence the re-recording was most definitely a decision made by the label, not them.
-JYPE did the same thing with day6 when junhyeok left, they re-recorded and made them re-release their first mini album (the only one that he was part of which basically means they re-recorded and re-released their whole discography with him)
-rerecording has more to do with copyright and royalty issues rather than feelings, it's all about business.
-most groups who have lost a member re-record their music for performance purposes, do you think that they perform with the former member's voice still on the backtrack? obviously not, changes have to be made, and parts of the songs have to be substituted and re-recorded to suit the "new" member part. The only difference is that jype decided to release a studio version of them which is what most of those groups and their companies don't do. In the end, jype move resulted to be a great business choice.
-another thing that is important is that this "re-recording" project didn't start with erasing woojin in their minds, skz2020 was their japanese official debut (a continuation of their pre-debut japanese release: unveil stray kids) as well as a COMPILATION of their older songs, the compilation project most definitely was such a success that they decided to continue with skz2021, resulting in them re-releasing most of their older songs.
And let's also talk about "him putting a strain on them": whose fault do you think it was that? woojin or the company that couldn't handle his departure better? Regardless if you believe that he decided to leave or was kicked out, it's obvious that the company prioritized money over the members' mental/physical health, if the company actually dealt with his departure appropriately things could have gone much better for the members (not saying that they wouldn't be hurt cause losing a member is difficult), if they actually prioritized them they could have appropriately postponed their activities to give them a reasonable amount of time to make up for it but instead they prioritized money by overworking them and putting a strain to their already very precarious mental and physical health (their schedule was crazy at that time and 2019 stays will remember) and that's the reality that most fail to see.
To be clear i'm not saying this to undermine the struggles they had to go through, i was there i saw all of that but at some point you also have to realize who the real villain was and i can tell you that y'all are pointing at the wrong person.
Lastly i want to address the "the kids hate him" narrative cause y'all don't make sense. These words would be understandable if the members actually said something about him but the truth is that they never did, not once and you know why? because there's a nda (non-disclosure agreement) involved which means that they legally can't talk about the situation or him so all of these "reasons" the fandom came up with to justify their hate toward him are just malicious speculations (not facts), and they needed to find those reasons because a lot can't stand the very much real possibility that he may have not been this "bad" person he was being painted as for YEARS. Also the only one who is thought (keyword: thought) to have referenced to woojin is chan (while he may be the leader, his thoughts and feelings do not represent those of the 7 others cause guess what? they all are their own people with their own opinions and povs that can be different from those of chan so pls stop putting him on that high pedastal when he's just a normal human being like all of us) and even if chan was indeed talking about woojin in that live what about it? his frustration, disappointment or whatever he was feeling at that particular time are his own, it's not your business to speculate and make what were his feelings all those 3 years ago your own, don't you see how weird it is? Also the fact that he keeps on repeating that they are 8 is not the shade y'all want it to be, they are 8 and have been 8 for almost 4 years and woojin is now a SOLOIST and wants to be recognized as such as much as skz want to be recognized as 8, it's not that deep and it can become frustrating for BOTH skz and woojin every time someone keeps on using old ot9 pictures of them for present-time events/achievements or referring to woojin only as the ex-skz member.
Also y'all say that you prefer to trust people that knew him (the kids) but do you really?? cause jype/skz make-up artist who worked for them since their debut and who knew the members actually followed him after he left the company and she's still working with him even though she didn't have to. Or let's talk about the old jype trainee who publicly apologized for also having fallen victim to these rumors and actually came up to only say positive things about the time he knew woojin and all the members. Or let's talk about his vocal coach who is still with him and keeps on supporting him after all these years. All these people and more are people who know him for a very long time and their support has been unwavering so by your logic since they know him personally you should trust them too.
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And just to be clear i'm not saying that you need to like him but there's a clear line between just not liking someone and spreading misinformation and hate on them and that line is being crossed to this day which is obviously not okay.
THANK YOU FOR THIS...really thank you so much!
It's really frustrating that to 'Stays', JYPE is a shitty company until it comes to that being one of the possible reasons Woojin left...now HE is the bad guy.
As frustrating as it is, those twisted people will never reason with you or anyone of a different view, they believe what they want to and take whatever they can to back it up, dismissing ANYTHING that goes against it!
Oh, and they will not take all those other factors into consideration cause those people aren't Chan, so why would they care...
*HI NIGEL, I REALLY HOPE YOU READ THIS COMMENT*
(I actually commented something very similar on another channel, and had to look for it)
FIRST OF ALL, I want to say that I'm really proud of you whole reaction throught the video. Many people hurry to blame someone, just like you said, cause It's mor entertaining but It really Isn't!
*KIM WOOJIN was proven Innocent!!!!*
*This whole thing made me really sad when I found out that everything people said about him was just false...*
I saw this video a long time ago, and watching it again just brought back my sadness for what everyone did to him.
WOOJIN is a soloist now, a very good one may I add, and he deserves peace and love (Yes, it's a corny word, but a true one) in his future.
+ Honestly after reading several comments on the Chan Vlive, I think that he may have talked about Woojin, but in regards to him leaving the group before they were supposed to go on tour for their new album, which got suspended because he left (for personal reasons, no one really knows what had happened to him that he had to leave like that) so they had to change everything from chores to line distribution, and not the allegations against him. because everything he was accused of only happened after that. And I'm sure that Chan felt really bad when everything happened because non of it related to this SH!T storm.
Also, he emphasized that this was not about him.
But even if it was, it was on a very different thing entirely.
I won't ask you to react to him here as an artist, even though I would love that, But a lot of people didn't really care to see what really happened with him and if he is guilty or not, so you may just get hate for it and I really don't want you to, so I'll recommend listening to him on your free time.
His music is good, and his voice is amazing.
I don't know what I would have done in 2020 when all of this happened, because I didn't know them yet, but if I did, I would have probably also take the time to understand what is really going on.
But I would have never reacted like so many people have.
I am not a hateful person, I don't hate just to hate, and I am a criminologist, so I learned too well not to believe automatically to anything people say. Victims or Criminals.
Felix may have been a victim (which was proven to be not true) not being able to defend himself. Yes, he's got a black belt in Taekwondo with 63 medals, but no one knows how to react if they are in this kind of situation, he could have frozen and not defend himself. It was also said that Woojin hurt Han, Changbin and Lee Know (which was also proven wrong!).
Most people think about fight or flight, but it's also freeze, So If that really happened, which it didn't' he may not have reacted at the time.
I do want to say though that all 9 of them lived in a 2-bedroom apartment at the time, up until a little over a year ago, when the 8 of them moved to two apartments.
Before that, the rest of their time was spent together 24/7 with really strict rules. They weren't allowed out and didn't have time to, even if they wanted to.
So even if this was true, which it's not, when could this have happened?
+ Even if Felix was SA, And please GOD don't ever let anything like this happen to him, or anyone else, Felix is not the kind of person to stay silent after it happened, and I really do believe that Chan would be the first person he would reached out too, and Chan most definitely would have taken care of it.
OR he could have not. You can never know what this kind of experience will do to a person... (For me, I called my sister 2/3 minutes after that happened, and for some of my friends, unfortunately, it took several months to several years to mention it)
In conclusion.
WOOJIN is INNOCENT!
I am deeply sorry this happened to him because of some hateful people that just decided to falsely accuse him and a mass herd of following bullying sheep that made it a lot worse.
HE was the victim here.
I do respect woojin and his decisions but i find it quite upsetting that he left right before their comeback.. that caused skz a lot of problems and they even needed to postpone their comeback. But ig he has his reasons why he left at that specific time.
That’s true, but there was no other time to really do so without causing even more issues with their schedule
@@stayville-connectionsyeah ur probably right. But I mean he probably planned his leaving for quite a long time bc it would be weird if he was suddenly just like "I wanna leave the group now" so maybe if he already had planned it for a while he could have left even before the song recordings. But that is just a assumption so yeah I could be wrong lmao
@@_.isy._i love woojin but i wanna know wtf happened bruh 😭
also to be fair, we still dont know how it played out. Depending on why he left, the company maybe made the decision to have him leave before the comeback. Like maybe he was talking to the company and they were like, it's better if you leave now then, before we do promotions, so he's not in them.
@@_.isy._ Nah he wasn't planning it for a while, well maybe in his own head but he definitely wasn't discussing it with anyone, otherwise they wouldn't have had to do things like rerecord songs and edit him out of astronaut MV. He wouldn't have been included in those in the first place. Imo it was just as sudden for the kids/managment as it was for stays.
Y'all it's been years since this happened? But the comment section is making it look like it happens 2 days ago like we have talked about this multiple times before so why not just move on? And support who u wanna support
Because there are still stays who bully woojin and his fans
Watching this video I can understand why Stray Kids fall silent when they watch and listen to Levanter. I guess it's when they remember how hard that time was for them. As much as it sucks that Woojin left for whatever reason he never deserved hate. I think the Stays that started all the hate were acting like immature children because they were hurt. Either because Woojin was their bias who left or because Woojin had hurt Stray Kids feelings by leaving and affecting their comeback and their group dynamic. Stays also grew attached to the group of 9 because of the survival show and how Stay watched Chan and everyone fighting to keep the group as 9. The only logical way I think about why those Stays did what they did is because they didn't know how to handle their feelings and only way they could cope was to make Woojin a terrible person. It's a toxic coping mechanism that Stays had making it so much harder for Woojin than it had to be. Or at least thats how I viewed this entire situation
Nigel, the allegations came out a whole year after he left the group. They have no obligation to comment on the sa accusations as he was no longer a member.
I dont hate woojin and also i am not a fan of his but i really feel bad for the amount of $hit he has been through without evidence and i really think that he doesn't deserve hate couse it was never confirmed that he did anything wrong , like guys just move on it has been 4 years skz are achieving dreams , woojin is achieving dreams , stan who you want love who you want , you never know what someone has did or been through so just do whatever you want but know that people around you might get hurt , Love you Nigel ❤
I was a cub before I even became a stay which is why I'm very iffy when it comes to this topic. I've been a fan of Woojin for longer than skz so when ppl would hate on him or argue with me for being a fan of him it made me really upset. I honestly understand why many stays hold grudges against him as the sudden departure made it so hard for the skz members but I don't hate Woojin or skz. I love both and openly support both on my others socials, I just wish others stays were a bit more I guess considerate when it came to ppl like me who don't hate him. Even my own friends have gotten mad at me when they found out I was a cub stating I was bad for liking him considering "Chan doesn't fuck with him." I'm always scared to talk about being a cub to other stays since many have a dislike for Woojin but I feel as though both cubs and stays have the ability to have their own opinions on eachothers idols. Both Woojin and skz didn't deserve the hate they got, we don't and probably won't ever know the full truth of why Woojin left, just watch the documentary by 10x do your own research and make up your own mind.
If you choose to be like me and be a cub and a stay remember to support skz as a group and Woojin as a soloist.
Pls I hope y’all won’t say hateful things about woojin in the comments… it’s been 4years guys give him a break and respectful 🙂
And here we are 4-1/2 years later and people still go out of their way to hate on Woojin. If you don't like him, just ignore him.
He recently signed with SM Entertainment. One have to be careful of certain situations if not 100% proven.
Woojin et liée à SM depuis il avait joint 10x. 10x a était formée par des SM cadres qui avait des post en même temps de gérée 10x dans SM
Nigel, there is evidence of his INNOCENCE, there is evidence about all the allegations being false, the people who accussed him admitted that they were lying, and his innocence has been OFFICIALLY PROVEN. This youtuber made another video about the topic.
I became a fan of Woojin before I became a STAY, so I love that I can stan Woojin without any negative thought because he is an amazing artist, he is one of the best singers I've ever listened to. I'm reading some comments saying just a few stays still hate on him, and I wish that was true but it really isn't. A lot of stays keep hating on him, A LOT, and I'm honestly so so tired. Please, CUBS are not asking you to support him, we are asking you to leave him alone. If you really don't care, if you don't like him, then stop talking about him. Stray Kids are having so much success and I'm really glad because they are amazing people and amazing musicians, and Woojin is making the music he wants and simply being happy with his career and personal life, those things are the only things that truly matter, so PLEASE, let's not keep hating on anyone.
Woojin wanted to leave. His letter to fans dated late 2019 stated this:
Hello, it's Woojin.
I want to sincerely thank the fans who have sent support and love to me when I was Stray Kids Woojin.
Also, I want to sincerely apologize to the fans who have been shocked and devastated by the sudden news.
I don't have any personal SNS (social media accounts) so I wondered how I can share this message.
I also needed time to adjust and heal.
Even though it's hard to explain how long I've been debating this, I believe that the fans who have loved me until now will understand me.
Until I can stand in front of you guys, I will work hard as I think about good music and sincerity in songs.
Even though it might take a while, please look after me and cheer me on.
I sincerely thank you and love you all.
From Woojin.
He sent this letter with a couple of photos for proof to a kakao group chat. He did not have social media yet. Woojin wanted to leave and of course his former member felt betrayed and such but he wanted to go. It's as simple as that.
You cannot crucify somebody and force them to stay in a place they're not comfortable in.
yes. People also act blind to how many stays overlooked or hated woojin. From calling him ugly to constantly saying he doesn't fit the group or debating whether he deserved his position as main vocalist. There is such a huge gap in popularity between members today (eg hyunjin and felix vs I.N. and Seungmin) and it was even greater for woojin back then.
Why would he have wanted to stay and be the 9th member of a group who's fans constantly degraded him? if it where anyone else who had left, I doubt allegations of SA would have arose. the fans already disliked him.
He's far happier now, with fans who love and value him and his music.
Yes! And his departure was BEFORE the allegations. Funny timing huh? I still to this day think a member of Stray Kids had something to do with it.
@@apple_jaxx Like... did something to set him up? is that what you mean?
@qs4029 Yes. If it wasn't a member I believe wholeheartedly it was their staff. The industry is very small. Even if Woojin kept it on the low, people talk. All the people behind the scenes. Directors, assistants, MUA, set designers, everyone. There are probably dozens of people who could have known and let it slip. How do you lose a member of the group before a comeback without ruining the other members? You shut him down and take steps to ruin his reputation so anything he says after he leaves is immediately invalidated.
@@apple_jaxx Whislt I wouldn't put it above JYP entertainment to hide mistreatment behind an enforced NDA, I don't think that JYP is behind the accusations or attacks.
The reason why I don't believe so is that a majority of those involved in these accusations and the attack are from all over the world( Brazil, Germany, US and etc) yet none from Korea, except those who came out to actually disprove the fake 'evidence' given. In the kpop world, Koreans and the Korean public have far more of an impact on an artists trajectory than international Kpop listeners, fans and etc. If it were really JYP behind this, they would have paid off actual staff to publish statements and done some under-the-table dealings with dispatch. None of the accusations would be so easy to disprove, nor would the evidence be so flimsey, there would have been a lot more noise INSIDE Korea than there was at the time, and it would have been taken a lot more seriously.
As for the boys themselves, I truly believe woojin loved them and they loved woojin, I don't think any of them had hatred for him that strong because only a literal psychopath would wake up one day and decide to try to destroy someone's life that way. I just believe that a particular sub-sect of stays hated woojin from the beginning and used the idea that Chan was somehow wronged by woojin by his departure as a means of getting attention and doing harm.
I think that making this sort of accusation is dangerous and given there is NO evidence of this, I don't suggest sharing conspiracies like this. I can see what you're getting at with JYP as a cooperation, but still, to drag the members of stray kids themselves into this is wrong.
1:18:03 im pretty sure JYP isnt allowing them to speak about it.
it's definitely suspicious how Bang Chan said what he said in the vlive (most likely towards Woojin since he said Stay should know what he is talking about) but later said it wasnt meant for Woojin.
It seems like they told him he really couldn't say ANYTHING and that he had to clear it up.
this is just something I've thought about and decided to share since it could be possible.
(we know how limiting and strict companies and especially kpop companies can be at times so for JYP to stop Stray Kids from interfering even in the slightest with the accusations seems logical enough.)
we all know Straykids don't fuck with Woojin no more that's all y'all need to know 🤷♀️
okay bro
THIS!!!
We literally don't
@tarteel268 did u even watch the video? Besides chan obviously talking about his betrayal the members literally said that they felt spiteful while watching levanter due to wj leaving
@@Tatjana-l6oI did watch the video and I was there all along while it happened lol chan talking about betrayal only means he was actually hurt by woojin's decision, chan kept saying he'll protect stray kids as 9 even before their debut he was hurt when he failed to do so, doesn't mean he hates woojin or anything. Also the members didn't say they were spiteful, they said it was a difficult time for them which is true bc he did leave at a crucial time. Still they never actually said anything good or bad about him. Let's not spread negativity.
I think the thing with “someone from the group could have said something” I don’t think they can, it’s also a pattern with members leaving that a lot of the time neither party mentions each other which leads me to believe their may be NDAs stopping them from doing this. It would be so much easier if they did though because they clearly see what’s going on so they could clear up all this nonsense and stop stays from the constant assuming that’s going on still years later
Actually I disagree with the point that fans deserve to have something from their idols, I agree with Nigel’s points but I just want to say at the end of the day it’s their jobs and if they left it’s their decision, it’s not a personal relationship that you have to work on or talk about, it’s a celebrity fan relationship which should just stay friendly and mature. Just my opi opinion though. :)
one thing i say about this video is that everglow-up (the creator) is notorious for being a stray kids anti, including saying and posting hateful comments about Chan most recently and disparaging remarks about other members previously. That doesn't necessarily take away from this video (which is a good explanation of the situation) but I just wanted to point this out.
I haven’t seen any anti-like behavior from them, only criticism. Can you give me some examples? /genq
I personally agree with the stuff they’ve said in the videos I’ve watched of theirs (one of them being about the Chan situation) and while they could’ve been worded better it isn’t hate/being an anti, just criticism
@eeeeeeeriesu Absolutely sick and tired of woojin stans running with this "he could have said it better" narrative because you all know he has never actually mentioned that man and you have nothing real to hate him for, but still you do. I readily admit there are Stays who hate on Woojin. And they need to get the hell over it and move on. But woojin stans too. Bangchan is not the one who spread rumours about him. Bangchan has never spoken on him since his departure. He made one statement, years ago, about someone who dissapointed him. We will likely never get confirmation if that was Woojin and we dont need to. But he did absolutely nothing wrong talking about whoever that was. It is his life. None of you get to tell him how he should feel or whether he gets to express how he feels. The hell🤨 A bunch of you are here, me including, giving opinions left and right about a situation we know little about and people we dont know as much as we pretend to...but they don't get to have an opinion? The audacity of all of you.
I just need Stays to never speak on Woojin and his fans (including everglowup who has 'liked' disgusting things about Chan and is absolutely a hater who blames him for all her faves problems) to never speak on Chan and the rest of SKZ
@@bluelilac2579 ? I was talking about everglow-up. I do not stan woojin but I do not condone any kind of unfounded hatred of anyone and I was asking for examples of this behavior from everglow-up because I hadn’t seen it before. Blaming an entire group of people for something isn’t the way to go either. I was just asking for evidence (something that people who hate on woojin seem to not care about apparently)
I personally believe that we should all just move on from this, but as long as there are injustices and people being attacked, I will argue against them. I am aware I know nothing about these people personally but I do not wish to permanently damage someone, or even just stand by and watch it happen. I appreciate and love that Chan feels/felt safe enough to express how he felt on the ground optic and I don’t blame him, never said I did. The ones who are at fault are the ones who used that information to hate on others.
@@stayville-connections everglowup's conclusion was literally that 'chan deserved it". The it, which her fans conveniently forget was him getting absolute hate, including death threats. But apparently that was justified because people on the internet put their own interpretations on his words. The person who runs that channel has also 'liked' hate comments about Chan on twitter. That, plus other comments they've made over the years is absolute evidence enough for me they are a SKZ and specifically bangchan hater.
@@bluelilac2579 👍
it really bugs me how most people in the comments claim that we dont know anything about what happened between woojin and the group yet somehow villanize woojin in the same sentence. may I remind you that woojin was costantly bodyshamed by fans and members? that jyp forced him multiple times on strict diets? I could say that woojin is the victim of this whole thing but I wont, because we DONT KNOW ANYTHING. most of you guys want someone to be a villain so bad and its so clear, you should just accept that woojin is proven innocent by the korean police, and the bullying accusations are just baseless, and with that said woojin did not do anything. thats it.
I remember when I found out woojin was leaving the group as I’m a predebut stay and it was a huge surprise. I was in school and when I found out and because we didn’t know anything else, I then I drove to my dentist appointment later that day crying to ‘Get cool’ lol
that was me when zayn left 1d lol i was in class and tried so hard not to cry but i couldn’t hold my tears in.
as a fellow pre-debut stay, the news hurt my my middle school heart to the core, i cried on my ride home from school
Kpop stans tend to cross the line when it comes to sitautions like this. Holding the accusee accountable for their wrong doings and out right being hateful are not the same thing and time and time agian we see innocent idols/people get their lives ruined because internet bullies can't think straight. Look at the Kim Garam situation. That poor girl was accused and when it came out that she was actually the one being bullied, her life had already been distroied in the name of holding her accountable. And in most situations no apology is given. It's really messed up and i don't understand how people don't learn from past scandals that people can just lie on the internet. Woojin, Lucas, Garam and so many others might never get back their normalcy and these "victoms" will continue living life without feeling bad about ruining someone's life.
People on the internet in general tend to cross the line when it comes to these situations. I don't really understand why people need to be so disgusting the second anyone says "this person did something bad" like yeah listen to what the accuser it saying and don't talk over them, but when there hasn't even been a proper chance for the accused to defend themselves you can't just attack them and harrass them. And then some people don't even know when these rumors are proven wrong because they only care if someone they dislike is a horrible person...
I don't know if you know about the Kwite situation, but that's another example of people immediately believing SA and abuse accusations which were later proven false and ruined his career and even highly affected his personal life. It just came to mind because I think he speaks about this topic in his video about the situation he faced.
@@jyjaeskz I'm glad Kwite was able to defend himself (with proof) and I hope many people like him get the justice they deserve. It's also kinda messed up how fast and easy people switched up in that situation. One minute everybody is defending Orin (I don't rmb they're name) and the next they're back on Kwite's side. Goes to show people on the internet dont really care about a person as longs as they bring in drama it's fine.
Thanks for reacting to this, Woojin is such a Talented Singer and he def doesn't deserve what some spoilt, disgusting and childish fans/Cyberbullies who hide behind screens have put him through over the years even before he left and now years after. I am a Cub from the beginning and a Stay since the end of 2018 and always didn't believe the allegations as I have seen enough young people hurt themselves from the hate and honest to god disgusting cyber bullying that has lead to us loosing so many young talented people. I don't think people realize or acknowledge now but Woojin now works with a stylist and makeup artist who both left JYP to work with him at his company in Sept 2020 and he still dances with background dancers who still work with Stray kids, Honestly I have been a very large fan of Woojin since around I am you/Miroh Era when I was introduced to Stray Kids and even though Felix is my Bias, Woojin was my Bias wrecker as his voice is just so good and amazing and his Dancing was very eye catching in his fan cams. I just wish him good health and best of luck as a solo and Stray Kids Good Health and luck as well .
My take on this as a pre debut stay, is that the whole situation was so much heated that while i was spreading woojin was innocent with proofs , multiple stays attacked me, sent death threats and telling me to commit suicide. I was suffering whole week with fever and it affected my daily life at that time, plus i had the biggest exam of my whole life- the university entrance exam which is taken seriously in my country. Afterwards i prepared for exams while still spreading the truth about the fake allegations cz i genuinely liked woojin and vocalracha as a whole. During this issue, a stay committed suicide, another stay was hospitalized. Stays that were woojin biased were severely bullied irl by their own friends. Many Friendships broke.
That's horrible! I'm so sorry you had to go through this! Much love✨
That's so wrong. The whole situation was so out of hand and no one realized it. Sometimes kpop stans tend to get too personal and agressive and they think it's okay. I'm so sick of everyone who is like that. Because of that there are hardly any fandoms I feel comfortable in right now.
No because I fully agree with what you were saying people ALWAYS jump to conclusions especially k-pop fans soo many innocent idols are kicked out and blacklisted from their dreams because of a lie of a hater jealous of their success and other people join in making the situation worse ex: garam from lesserafilm she was just 15 when everyone was bullying her and hating her with no proof and without knowing the whole truth. She only got to live her dream for a week and it was taken from her. Another could also be soojin from g-idol a girl made up a lie and she got kicked out cause people believed it with no proof it’s so sad how eveyone just believes eveything they see 🤦♀️🤦♀️ and it’s even crazier cause once eveything Came out people still believe soojin, woojin did these things. Also hyunjin got a bullying accusation a girl came out saying he bullied her in school when hyunjin went to a all boys school… and people STILL believe it’s true people need to stop believing everything with no proof 🤦♀️
Fr me honestly I don't want him to be associated with skz cause even if all the accusations false it still a hard time fr skz tht time so let him be him and skz be skz
Because you asked why Stray Kids didn‘t speak out, members of a group where a member left aren‘t allowed to talk about that person. The same thing happened with (G)I-DLE when Soojin left. None of the other members are allowed to talk about the member that left. So yeah, they weren‘t allowed to.
Hope Woojin and the skz members are doing well
Woojin went through a lot, I don't understand how they can't leave him alone, dehumanising him so much. My Goodness, free Woojin from those fucking toxic stays (sorry for the language but honestly I'm sick of those stays).
I won't say much regarding KWJ but I will say this, Bang Chan is one of the most accepting idols/people in the kpop industry and is understanding of everyone's situations. So the fact that he has a visceral reaction whenever KWJ is mentioned and constantly reiterates to people to only refer to Stray Kids' as 8 members tells me something bad had to have happened other than "KWJ leaving for personal/mental health reasons." Stray Kids themselves have said that their true beginning was Levanter and have a difficult time watching content or performances from when there was 9 of them. If he truly left because of personal reasons, I feel as if they wouldn't have the reactions they do whenever he's brought up. I love the current line up of Stray Kids and because of that I just can't respect him because of the pain and hardship he caused them by whatever his actions were.
Honestly I think it’s obvious. Chan considered woojin family so him leaving/wanting to leave was bound to hurt them
@@stayville-connections Obviously the decision would hurt them regardless but if it were really just due to "personal reasons" don't you think they would have eventually gotten over it by now? Because based off of Chan getting annoyed by seeing OT9 pictures and the most recent SKZ Code it's still something that bothers them. I'm just tired of the narrative that they're over it so everyone else should be when they clearly aren't.
There's been rumours for years that Woojin was kicked out because he went to hostess bars, kind of bars with sex workers, apparently stays in Korea knew this and ignored him during the last times he was in the group (Double knot promotions) as well as his fansites closing before he left, if he truly did that i have no respect left for him for jeopardizing the group like that, it is clear already what he did was shitty with the members' reactions to anything pre 2020
@@CosmiccGurlX101 I know they aren’t over it but they are over people bringing it up and associating them together
@@stayville-connections That's literally the point I'm making.... people constantly making it seem like they don't have an issue when they clearly do and instead of respecting their wishes by not bringing his name up to them, they continue to do so.
Here’s my thing in the whole situation. I didn‘t get into stray kids early enough to have really been apart of the whole him leaving ordeal but I was around when the rumors and accusatoins were still boiling. Which all have been proven false and he was proven innocent. If you want more info on an inside view feel free to check out a video documentry called Finger Killers. It clears up the whole, Woojin adressing the situaton, thing as well.
I personally have nothing against Woojin, and to me he seems like a genuinely sweet guy. He has great music and even as himself a little acting gig goin. And his fans love him. Support him, don‘t support him, whatever.
The hate train today is honestly ridiculous in my opinion. Obviously you don’t have to like the guy, but there is no reason to keep bashing the man. We have no clue what he was going through on the other side of all of this and the affect it really had on him. But I can’t imagine he was all sunshine and peaches.
The Kids too. We have no real idea as too the full exctent to what they were feeling when he left or how much they knew prior. A lot of peole say they hate him, but imagine if you were close to someone and all of a sudden they left. Yes it hurts but it can hurt just as equally on both sides. It‘s not impossible that they do hate but it‘s also not garenteed. And we will never fully know, ever. That‘s just how it is. To say that Chan is always pushing the 8 thing because of some distane against him can be a bit of a reach because STAYs are still to this day associating him as being PART of the group. Yeah, I‘d get irritated about it too, even if I didn‘t hate the person. And they do it to Woojin as well. Asking him in video comments and his lives, „When are you going back to Stray Kids?“, „Do you miss Stray Kids?“ „I miss when you were in Stray Kids“. It‘s ridicuclous and people need to move on and quit associating him because neither party wants that!!
While I understand it is hard to not know why he left, especally if you were their from the start, but it‘s already been YEARS and we need to let. That. Go.
-honestly the one thing I can say is I’m genuinely a fan of Woojin and I’m glad that even though the “world” was bashing and being 100% cruel especially on the internet I’m glad he’s alive and okay. Stays were so hurt that they chose to bully and slander someone who’s also just human and probably just as hurt as them. So many idols leave groups or take hiatus because of mental health and we support them and some have even un-alived themselves but some stays forgot about that.
i don't hate woojin, i'm also not a fan of his, honestly i just feel bad for the amount of shit he was put through
however i also feel bad for stray kids, especially chan who got most of the hate (obviously after woojin who got it worst), since it all seemed so sudden by the way it was announced and chan spoke on it
i know levanter era was hard for them; seeing skz react to the mv and performances and how they all got very upset and commented on how emotional and resentful they were at the time shows that
im just glad stray kids are 8 now and i support woojin as a soloist despite still not being a direct fan
My thought is, it was for the best he left. Wouldn’t Stay prefer him leaving when he did than later on in their careers? Imagine all the songs he would have been on?? All the albums? Everything happens for a reason and if he had to leave it’s better it happened early on. Maybe Woojin always wanted to be a soloist and was in too deep in the group. Who knows!!! We’ll never know. Eight is fate, that’s all I know
I won't accuse or defend Woojin.
I think we should all stop associating StrayKids with this EX member who currently has nothing to do with SKZ.
The only thing I can say is that the Levanter era was very hard for SKZ, but after that hard period Stray Kids was able to follow their path, define their style, their identity and thanks to that they are what they are today. All based on their own effort, work and dedication.
Stray Kids are 8 members, no more.
Im new and am still learning things. Ive been watching Chans Room and seen him in it a few times as well as some other videos. Plus some comments left here. I can't understand the hate. He seemed genuinely kind to the others. Him leaving when he did could not have been completely his decision. Im sure he felt enourmous pressure to do so. It could not have been easy. This is my opinion on the situation being a new Stay and not have gone through itike veteran Stays did and also not being an insider on the situation. Even veteran Stay cant know all the details. Ive been listening to his music whenever it happens to pop up on my feed and I enjoy it. I wish him well.
I disagree with Chan on his statement in that live. I just think he was hurt and upset and he reacted. That's what it seemed like to me. And I agree ppl jump to conclusions a lot. Videos can be manipulated to look a certain way. All those shipping videos sexualizing different pairs, videos showing "jealousy" by some group members. I go out of my way to thumb them down.
I also think a lot of the ppl who make up false rumors are very young. They don't seem to understand that it's very easy to reverse image something. Those type of ppl make it so difficult for actual victims and they ruin the lives of the ppl they accuse.
First off, a few things:
English is not my native language. So keep that in mind and feel free to correct me.
I feel the need to comment on this, even though I usually prefer to avoid this topic. I have no emotional attachment to Woojin, as all of this happend before I was into K-Pop. Everything I share here is simply my humble opinion, which others don't necessarily have to agree with.
The real details of what happend is only known by SKZ, Woojin, and the Company. And maybe it's none of our business. Those SA accusations seem to be baseless, and it's unfortunate that he had to deal with all of that. It’s simply not right.
But something definitely happened. This isn’t the type of job you just leave unless there’s a major reason. Labels, like most businesses, are primarily about profits. A lot of people have pointed out that the company faced significant losses when Woojin left SKZ, especially given the timing. Maybe Bang Chan shouldn't have voiced his thoughts, maybe. But he seems like an upfront and genuine guy, even if I don’t know him personally. Holding him accountable for reactions from fans or critics isn’t fair. Most of the time, people are responsible for their own actions. But seeing Chan blamed for things beyond his control isn't new, and it's quite frustrating. I’ve come across comments suggesting Chan is one of the more controversial idols. On that note, much of the negative feedback I’ve seen about Chan seems exaggerated. Turning small things into big issues. And even if he makes a mistake, he's only human. I truly believe he wouldn't intentionally cause harm.
But getting back to the main point: I trust Chan and the rest of SKZ enough to not need all the details. But something went wrong. Woojin did something serious enough that he had to part ways with SKZ and JYP. That is all i need to know.
I saw an interview with JYP himself. He mentioned that if an idol breaks the companys rules or do something that could damage the company’s image, they have to go, regardless of personal feelings. JYP can’t set a precedent by making exceptions. And they won’t disclose reasons for someone’s exit to ensure they still have a future in the industry. I remember this, so I hope no one takes issue if I didn’t get everything down perfectly.
And sometimes, it's best to keep quiet and let things blow over. If SKZ isn’t commenting, it’s probably because they can’t.
Apologies for the detours in thought. I believe this is a fairly neutral statement, except when it comes to Chan; I might be a bit biased there.
"Nobody will believe the truth if the lie is more entertaining"
-Nigel
Now that's a BAR
The Korean police have proven him innocent nd the three girls have since apologised. This was confirmed and released by his company.
Woojin may have left Straykids because of selfish reasons i mean to my pov i think its very clear, he wasn't being treated right in Jyp and he thought it might be better to be a solovist then be in a group where another member is being favoured over you even now you will see that people like Felix and Hyunjin or favour them over other members and whomever gets introduced to Straykids will obviously be introduced through Felix my one friend who is a Bts stan said she only knows Felix and don't know much about the other members.
And i feel like in music industry the most fked up thing is that, if you are not super young super attractive and have some characteristics that make you stand out, you will not be taken seriously or be that famous no matter how hard you work.
Woojin was older than them and he used to get the least amount of lines in every song so it might have been too much pressure specially if other members are favoured more then you ,and its my opinion, this might have been the reason why he may have left .
And by the way, accusing someone of something this serious just because you don't like them is more vile then the actual crime itself.
People who accuse others should get consequences.
I don't like woojin, not because of the accusations, but I dislike him because he just dropped the group out of nowhere in the middle of comeback and tour preparation.
I don't wish any bad will on WJ, i don't have a personal opinion on things as i became a Stay a couple weeks after the initial statement was released. However, personally, I am not a fan of WJ. He did cause a lot of problems for SKZ at that time. I feel like maybe he suddenly decided out of nowhere, he just didn't wanna be a part of the group. After all they went through, I can imagine it was basically like a slap across the face for all of them. I think that things were definitely handed oddly and poorly. I would definitely suggest watching the Stray Kids District 9 DVD. It gave the first insight as to what it was like after WJ left, as it was their first tour/performance after that. And whether it is the company or him, there have been MANY petty/shady things done from his side of things even to this day. Such as announcing his fandom name on SKZ's anniversary. And announcing his comeback on STAY's anniversary. He's also kept a close eye on the boys and seemed to copy trends they were doing and such. We'll never know if it was intentional or one hell of a coincidence. But I've seen enough to just not favor him in general. I do believe everyone is entitled to their own opinions and don't choose to think ill on anyone who still supports him. That chapter in their life is done and I will continue to respect that and move on with them.
This is the second video i've seen of someone reacting to this. What i don't understand, is why these people aren't watching the official documentary of 10x
1:18:13 The reason why SKZ never spoke on the accusations is because Stray Kids have an NDA agreement in their contracts. This means that they are not able or allowed to speak on Woojin and are forbidden to acknowledge Woojin now that he is a former member. If they had spoken, it would've been a violation of their contracts. Which sucks because the main point of all of this is simple…Woojin was falsely accused. This case did reach the police and they threw it out because like she said they were all lying. The lack of evidence alone proved that they were lying. I think that the biggest lesson in the Woojin case is to STOP BELIEVING EVERYTHING YOU SEE ONLINE. Until actual evidence is provided…it is very possible that someone is lying. When I learned what he went through I felt so bad for him! And as a SA/r@pe survivor…it also angers me because people who lie like that make it hard for ACTUAL victims to be believed and get justice
I just became a STAY the beginning of this year, and I was skeptical of this shit from the beginning. SA is serious and you can respect and take it seriously but still be skeptical. I didn't know Stray Kids when Woojin was here, so I have no attachment, but this whole thing was just ridiculous. People who were once Woojin's fans were so quick to turn on him without any evidence at all, and that upsets me.
Just always be cautious on the internet. Hope Woojin is doing okay now.
Honestly, I agree with most things in the video , except for the point that Felix couldnt be abused because he was trained in taekwondo, so he can protect himself. People who are trained in anything or even people who have a lot of muscle strength and work out every day can still fall victim to abuse, anyone can. It’s not about strength or how powerful they are a lot of the times if it’s somebody that you know and trust, and that also stops you from retaliating.
This is not to say that I believe that woojin bullied the other members, or even abused them in any way, however, this kind of statement is sending a message that is very harmful to people who do get abused, regardless of how physically strong they are. I agree that people need to stop treating Felix like I hopeless baby. But I also think that saying that he could be abused just because he’s trained in taekwondo is an incredibly harmful and misleading message to spread.
1:18:11 if any of the group came forward and said he did not hurt them do you think anyone who is invested in the story would believe them they would probably say jyp is forcing them to say it or something stupid like that. Bangchan has been misconstrued so many times by Stays and other people that he has had to apologise more than once that is the reason Chans room was stopped because of the nut jobs who like to stir the s"it. During that time Bangchan got death threats and was told he was a bad leader that he couldn't keep the group as 9 him and kids went through alot aswell with the fans of Woojin attacking them
The SA accusations and most of what she talked about in this video, according to the information she provided, is crazy. It doesn't seem like anything was substantiated and it's really horrible that the hate on Woojin went that far. I personally still think the circumstances surrounding his leaving the group are still very sus. Something extreme must have happened for him to leave so abruptly and at such a crucial time. We might never know what exactly and none of it was even close to a reason to go nuclear on Woojin. But seeing how the Skz members struggled after he left, I will admit that I resent him a little. Of course that's with the extremely limited information we have, and an opinion I could completely change if we ever learn the facts. All in all, Nigel is right. Careful about what you believe on the internet, and think for yourself!
1:18:13 they weren't allowed to speak about it I'm pretty sure :)
From my opinion, I don't really know what woojin's personality is like but when I found out that he left due to personal reasons, I was chill with it... And even though both parties probably suffered, they both handled it well and they're doing great. I'm really not a woojin super fan but I acknowledge he's talented. What ever happened, Welp... It's doesn't really matter now,the both parties are FINE!!!
And to all those fake victims and fake STAYs, I give you my sincerest "go fuck yourselves".
alright i'm sorry nigel but this will be the one reaction video i won't be able to watch. I already watched the og video ages ago, and while I agree that stays were out of control and ruined everything, as a stay of 4+ years who was here before his departure, who watched how much his departure broke them and who saw what they went through because of him, I dislike woojin and can never support him, it has nothing to do with the rumors that happened like a year after his depature,
I was one of the stays that insisted on being ot8 back when the majority of stays were attacking those who weren't ot9 and kept trying to involve both skz and woojin together, or kept trying to know what happened, I am still very bitter toward those stays who couldn't accept to leave things as they are and wanted something to satisfy their curiosity, let's not even talk about the assholes who lied about those rumors.
with all that beig said, everglowup is also a little biased and has her own opinion on things that she sometimes talk about as facts. everglowup also made a mistake in this video when she said how chan denied that what he talked about in that vlive is about woojn. that is absolutely wrong and he never denied that. the one thing he denied that she conveniently just showed a few screenshots of is the assumptions some fans had that his first solo song (i hate to admit) is about woojin. that's the one thing he denied. but he was indeed talking about woojin when he brought up how someone he knows made a lot of mistakes, betrayed them and was selfish.
ps : if you're one of those people who think chan is "responsible" for what some dumb stays did because of what he said, don't bother commenting under this, no human should ever carry the weight of responsibility of what a million of people watching him decide to do when he never asked from stays to do or say anything and was simply letting out a small piece of what he personally felt as someone who was clearly a victim and got hurt in the reality that happened that we will never actually know.
I'm honestly really glad you reacted to this, just so you understand the scale of this controversy. I personally think that too much (maybe all) of it is based on rumours and interpretation and a netizen witch hunt to really know what has been going on, so the only things we KNOW for sure is that I.N. said in 2Kids Room he doesn't like thinking about the District 9 time (the time everything started) and that multiple members, especially Channie, have unambiguously said they didn't like when fans included Woojin in mentions of Stray Kids or fanart because "8 is fate" and there isn't a ninth member. Whatever exactly happened, we do not know for sure - but I think it should be enough to respect that Stray Kids do not think about Woojin with happiness and both go their separate ways for years now.
On another note, yet again personal interpretation, I never could get rid of the feeling that Bang Chan's "I Hate To Admit" might actually be about that time. But that's only a gut feeling and nothing else.
I think we should just stop bringing him up and skz, let him be him and let skz be skz. Neither parties want to be associated with each other anymore. Also the original channel loathes skz.
How so? I have never seen them hate on skz
@@stayville-connectionsshe posted the video of titled "bangchan is wrong " or something and she seemed spiteful towards him.
@@Iloveaespa980 so bang chan can't be wrong? he's human like everyone else and no more perfect. Not agreeing with someone's actions/opinions doesn't mean you hate them, especially when she has praised skz in other videos regarding ranking stage presence before.
you should watch the video without letting your feelings for band chan cloud your judgement, she makes fair points without degrading him and whilst I disagree with some things she said, even as a stay I leaned towards her side. Bang Chan should have been more careful.
Not that her opinion on skz disproves any of her points on the way woojin was terrorised with false accusations and torn apart by stays. the fact that the man is ALIVE is incredible. he is far stronger than I.
@@qs4029 yeah I feel so bad for woojin I am new stay so I just started learning about him I think accusing someone of such vile crimes is more vile then the crime itself I support him as a soloist.
But at the same time I don't think Bangchan should apologize for other people's immaturity. Putting the blame on him will only increase the already the hate he has gotten for years, he was just being honest that he felt disrespected by some idols ( he didn't even mentioned which ones) and based on this single statement, not a good reason people should be bullying other idols I think that tells us more about the Fandom and people on internet then him. Those people should know better.
Some stays really need to learn to stop hating when there isnt even real proof for why you are hating. The skz members have every right to dislike him and same with woojin, cause this is something which happened between them ( *NOT FANS* them) and only they know what is true. People also need to acknowledge that all this both affected skz and woojin, you can't pick and choose that just based on who you like more because it is a fact they were both affected
Fr. Like stays have no reason to dislike him. Even if skz doesn’t like him, we wouldn’t know why and it’s none of our business? It happened between them not us
The only thing I care about are Skz being happy and healthy. To me nothing else matters. That's all nothing else counts."PERIOD "
Chan simply said he felt betrayed because of someones selfish behavior. If you have logical thinking, you would come to the conclusion that it's because woojin left right before a comeback to pursue his solo career, which was really bad for all people involved in said comeback. And it should have ender with that.
But stay had to spin their own story to try and destroy a person they claimed to love before. In the end they hurt not only woojin with it but chan as well, because he will forever be blamed to have started this. Chan just expressed that he feet hurt/betrayed by someone and stay makes it so much worse instead of trying to cheer him up.
I believe Woojin also kinda explained what happened to him with the false accusations in a video with his new company too.
Nigel thank you for actually taking the time to actually learn about Woojin and I agree he has an amazing voice and very handsome. We should spread love not hate. If you hate than it means that you don't love yourself.
This came up on my feed today 😂 anyway as an OT8 Stay because the boys are entitled to feel however they feel about the situation and a Cub who supports Woojins solo career he definitely was also entitled to whatever made him leave.
A lot of people in these comments have no real insight on contract terms and penalties. Due to the KFTC and past unfair contracts like JYJs most idols have ways they can terminate their contracts especially bigger companies since 2017 so insane large termination fees are not that common anymore.
With JYPE trainees don’t have to pay their debt unless they debut and if your group is relatively popular that debt usually gets paid really fast. With the way SKZ and Woojin had comebacks and a large popularity before he left we can assume with a lot of confidence that his trainee debt was paid and the amount he had to pay from terminating his contract was not an insane amount considering JYPE is known as one of the “lesser evils” to a lot of trainees even though they’re still very strict. And after the Jay Park situation JYPE became known for not forcing people who want to leave to stay compared to companies like SM where even in 2024 are still know for “slave” contracts.
JYPE is also known for not giving insight into why someone leaves the group or company, basically forbidding the remaining members from speaking on it, and having the people who left sign a nda but because of that people always jump to the worst possible thing.
Chan was pretty obvious when he talked about "betrayal" but thats ALL he talked about, chan has never said anything to support the bullying rumours and people just dont get that, they still hear what they want to hear and misunderstand most of his words, there is just no evidence of bullying and people can say tf they want cuz nothing is proved to be true.
Also two of the three brasilian girls who had proves against woojin confessed they lied out of anger, the korean police closed the case and woojin was proven innocent, there's no point in accusing him for SA. (Unless a real victim appears)
And you should react some day to woojin's covers, they're really beautiful and his voice is just angelic, also his personality is just so warm, hes really worth to react to.
i feel like when it comes to what Chan said in his live it’s more of other peoples faults that they chose to assume what incident Woojin had done. And when it’s comes to the bullying thing Skz might not have been allowed to say whether Woojin bullied them or not.
Woojin is an amazing person... He was not given the attention and the lines he deserves in the former group... Of course he will leave then... He is having more opportunities now to show his talents... I'm really happy that he left the group... I will always support Woojin❤
Also I would like to state that the channel that made this video regarding KWJ, everglow-up, is a known Stray Kids hater and they're pretty biased when it comes to supporting people who have wronged SKZ in anyway. I would implore you to find information from unbiased sources in the future! Love your channel Nigel! ❤
YESS
I have not seen any things where they’ve hated on skz? Can you tell me what they’ve done?
@@stayville-connectionsYeah me too ofc she has her opinions about certain things but I have yet to see her hate on skz?? If you can provide proof or moments where she has that would be nice and I’ll hear you out. But otherwise I think you might be mistaking opinions and criticism as literal hate
Again a person in the internet saying things without receipts. You are just as bad as the liars that attacked woojin.
@@bl00p_s00p there's multiple examples and not just on youtube... the IVE situation was most recent. it's clear she doesn't care for skz and if you can't see that then idk what to tell you
As a long-time Stay, it was a difficult time for all Stay ... who think with their heads. Add to it, I'm an older Stay and had chosen, at the time, to -Let the past be the past-. Have a regard for Woojin's talent, hope that his career is a good one and beyond that, nada.
The KZS were heavily effected, it was palatable in their behavior. So, decided to just Love them for who they are in the moment and now. And leave their personal lives to them. If they share with Stay, it's great but beyond that I have no business metaling in theirs private lives.
One little note: Everyone who examines situations without all and I mean - All - the pertinent information will carry a bias into their analysis. This is a simple truth about being human.
"No one is gonna believe the truth if the lie is more entertaining" you literally summed it all up in one sentence.
Also the kpop industry is very strict regarding publicity especially the big companies, the members were probably advised not to speak on the matter even chan himself. As a long time stay I completely agree with you, I love chan to bits and pieces but he did open pandora's box right there. I feel very very bad for woojin that must've been hell for him, glad more and more people are getting interested to know what actually happened before jumping on the hate train.
It's probably in their contract that they can't speak about him
WTF I JUST FOUND OUT ME AND WOOJIN SHARE A BIRTHDAY???!!
Ngl you’re brave for posting this, props.
nigel i better start seeing that stayarmy bucket hat someone from stream got you
I wish people would just drop this whole damn topic and move on. Woojin's lives are full of jerks trying to get him to speak on SKZ and he never does. Let them all live their lives
AN HOUR AND A HALF ARE MY EYES MESSING WITH ME
I swear this whole case is ridiculous.
I wasn't a Stay back then and I had no idea who Stray Kids even are but I'm sure I would laugh at this situation even then.
There's no evidence anywhere, and all the "evidence" that WAS given was proven wrong so it's just hilarious how so many people were buying this bullshit left and right just to shit on him.
I have no idea what happened, who knows maybe he did actually harm someone but definitely not the people that spoke out about it.
There's always gonna be a reason for him leaving, of course we don't have to know it but something DID happen and whatever it was should stay behind and in the past.
Leave both Stray Kids (yes unsurprisingly they also got hate aka mostly Bang Chan for "failing" to keep the members as 9) and Woojin alone, it really isn't that hard.
Just crazy.
actually the issue with stays is that they never liked woojin to begin with. so they used chan's word as a weapon to hate woojin. they just needed an excuse. Meanwhile Chan is getting the hate as well. Bscause he has been used by his own fandom
Saying that all Stays hated Woojin from the beginning is a big statement buddy and while he did get hate he was loved by Stays.
that wasn't love. that love came from just him being in the group. as soon as the rumours began to spread stays didn't care cz he was not in the group anymore so they never cared to spread the truth. If they loved him why didn't even try?
@@apatheticoo unfortunately as in a lot of causes once there's sa rumours about someone fans will turn. People were severely triggered because of their own personal experiences with SA. Me too tbh but I never believed the rumours. Its always innocent until proven guilty but unfortunately this something that will probably never die down. Woojin deserves better and I hope Kpop fans will move on.
@@Deekookieeeas people become celebrity so there will be rumours. but fans are supposed to try to see the truth. if it was any other popular member they would've researched entire situation and spread the truth, not like leaving woojin in the corner, continue to badmouth him. were they even fans to begin with? honestly the last thing i would expect my fav artist to commit SA crime. i was wishing please don't let someone experience such pain at all. i did NOT want SA to OCCUR. i was patient to see if he was innocent or not. after him being proved innocent i was spreading the truth, but positive news don't make others interested. everyone likes negativity. Woojin was the victim. aparently they proved victim blaming is justified if you don't like someone.
@@apatheticoo The Internet is a gross thing sometimes. The recent Ariana grande controversy, the Lizzo situation everyone turned their backs on Lizzo with the bullying scandal. Millions of her fans dropping her, making horrible remarks, fat shaming her but now that she's proven innocent they're coming back round saying I didn't believe it. Its how people are sadly. This hasn't just happened to Woojin but countless celebrities. People love scandals and drama.
I only started following Stray Kids when Hyunjin had just returned from hiatus and I’m kind of glad I missed these heartbreaks for SKZ and STAY’s (this is only because it would have broken my heart as well and would have worried about Hyunjin during hiatus.) They have all been through so much and have only ever come back stronger. I know Chan doesn’t want SKZ to be associated with Woojin anymore but it’s part of their history and they prevailed anyway (no hate to Woojin or saying it’s his fault) They keep going from strength to strength and I think new STAY’s don’t really need to know about it all because it’s uncovering things that could bring hurt to especially Chan, but understand when they are curious as to who he is and why he left and I think it’s fair they want to understand it.
Nigel, us, brazilian, dont speak spanish... We speak portuguese!!!
But I still love you
To be honest I might not listen to his music or know how he really was but I don’t hate him and the reason is because they never came out to say anything or if it really happened or anything .
I just think personally that it was a fan that was upset that he was leaving the group and decided to frame him and make it seem like he was Harassing them to make him look like bad person so that people would hate him but I’m not just going to go with what everyone says just off of what someone said like I’m not going to hate him cuz y’all do and for one it’s not my business if he did something or not if he did then he would have to with the consequences and if he did then don’t worry about him .
That’s just how I feel