Praying 30% less often
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Abigail Thorn, Jordan Harrod and Annie Rauwerda face a question about a religious restriction.
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Ten years in a decade? No, wait! Ten decades in a century!
No, wait! Ten centuries in a millennium!
@@michaels4340 No, wait! Ten millennia in a myriad … of years? 😅
No wait... Ten Tens in a Ten :O
Revolutionaries: Down with the monarchy!
People: Yay!
Revolutionaries: We shall embrace reason!
People: Yay!
Revolutionaries: We're doing away with the 7 day week!
People: Yay?
Revolutionaries: Instead we're going to have a 10 day week, 1 day for rest and 9 for work!
People: ...
Revolutionaries: Did you hear us? 10 days, 9 for work, 1 for rest?
People: Time to emphatically expression opinions
Quick fyi; it wasnt actually 1 day of rest for every 9 days worked. It was 1.5 days of rest for every 8.5 days worked.
They also had a half workday on every 5th workday; which means that they technically had 54 days off instd of the 52/53 that was the case for those who worked 6 day wks with a 7 day calendar
But ofc, a halfday doesnt rly equal half a days rest; so it did end up feelin like less restin even tho it was technically slightly more
What wudve probs been better is if they had a full day off in the middle every other wk; but even thats unreasonable compared to the old ways... So its not gonna be easy to convince ppl its better that way
Okay, you win this comment section... :D
@@SylviaRustyFae As someone who often has to work "half workday" on saturdays, I'll have you know that there is in fact no such thing as "half a day rest". You etiher have an entire free day to rest, or you don't. Even just working for a couple of hours that day ruins your entire schedule and rest.
@@hebl47 Naw yeah, i feel ya there and i do think that while technically they had "more" rest days if we just look at hrs; they experienced less restfulness from those rest days, so the effect is that they had less rest overall even if the bureaucrats saw it as addin a rest day even
Fun fact: Lagrange was actually Italian (Giuseppe Luigi Lagrangia), but moved to France and changed his name to sound more French
"Opinions were expressed" is a belter, and reminds me of Jon from Auto Shenanigans persistent referrals to WWII as "the Second Small Disagreement."
"The late unpleasantness" also
Tom's subtly wrong about the Lagrange points. It's not that the gravity is equal and opposite - if it was, there'd only be one Lagrange point, not five. It's the point where the gravity offsets *enough* that an object at the Lagrange point will have the same orbital period as the satellite, even though it's not in the orbit where that'd usually be the case.
L1 = Between the two bodies, where the satellite's gravity offsets the primary's gravity, so you have a smaller radius with lower net gravity, giving the same period.
L2 and L3 = Outside the two bodies but on the line connecting them, where you get a somewhat wider orbital path because the two gravitational forces add up to be slightly stronger than the primary's alone. (L2 is on the satellite's side, L3 is on the primary's side)
L4 and L5 = 60 degrees in front of or behind the satellite, in exactly the same orbit, which is the spot where the satellite's gravity won't mess up another orbit around the primary.
But this is a very common error, and not meaningful for most purposes.
L4 and LE are the only stable ones
Yeah, there's quibbling to be done, but I was pleasantly satisfied that he knew of them and had a good idea of what they were about.
Tom's moment of visibly deciding to take it as a compliment at 4:10 is great
Fun fact (re 2:43): Les Miserables is not about the French Revolution, it's about a different one later in 1832.
Certainly about *A* French Revolution.
@@notkaty It's only The French Revolution if it comes from the late 18th century, otherwise it's just Sparkling French National Passtime
@@Bobberation What, the Saumur of revolution? The Blanquette de Limoux armed insurrection?
@@Bobberation This is my favorite comment on this video! 😆
@@Bobberation Funny and historically accurate.
Question aside, I love Annie's energy in every episode she's in
when comparing ping return times you get a _Lag Range_
so that point is the one when the packet is equidistant between the server and your machine?
@@cybergeek11235 Or when either machine's influence on the packet is equal, one may be significantly more powerful(!)
(Frantically searching comment reporting options for "Commenter is supervillain attempting to take over world with groan-powered destruction beam")
Reminded of the case when someone couldn't send an email more than 500 miles from their office. I should send that one in!
@@hairyaireyOh my goodness I love the 500 mile email story! Although I think it might be a bit 🔴too🔴 technical and nerdy for a lot of Lateral guests to figure out, but it could be great with the right people
As a french guy, I looove this question ... and the answer !
this vid gave me classical mechanics flashbacks
Three of the five Lagrange points were discovered by Euler, so I think those ones should keep their L names but be called Leonard points.
listen if we named everything Euler discovered after him no-one else would ever get anything named after them
I can only imagine the chaotic confusion "Leonard points" would cause in undergrad lecture halls with heavily accented foreign post-docs trying to teach and some poor first year thinking they said "linear points." 🤣
I had a linear algebra professor who always referred to "the plan" (plane)
@@JennaGetsCreative I do recall somebody telling me about their confusion with a Hungarian professor I used to have sometimes who kept saying the word "chaos" but with the general way other languages would pronounce those vowels (English "a" being the odd one out, after all), and the class was really confused and thought he was saying "cows" until someone asked for clarification. This would have been a music-related class and not STEM, but the point still stands. 😉
Wasn’t sure why exactly, but I knew immediately that this was the French Revolutionary Calendar.
Id guessed it immediate bcuz my brain was just like "French name? Shortly after USAs founding? Thats gonna be a French revolution; and oh yeah, thats the one where they metricked time
I then checked the maths and 1/7 vs 1/10 is about 30% less often (it looks intuitively like it wud be after all)
I guessed the answer almost instantly, but found the diversions the others went on very interesting :-)
Hey, finally a question where I instantly knew the exact answer.
My guess is that it is some time-keeping mechanism. I.e., before you would pray your evening prayers until the sun sets, but now if you have a clock you can just pray to 9pm or whatever.
man, I knew this. really disappointed myself here 😔
My guess is that it has something to do with the calendar, but there was no big changes to it for millenia. Except one time when France wanted to introduce metric everything, and I think they wanted to make metric week, so ten day week, means Sunday is every 10th day, not 7th, hence you can say it's 30% fewer prayers.
Got to 2:18 and they mentioned 1792 in France. I suddenly thought did they try to decimalise the week? If they had a 10 day week then every 70 day period would potentially have 7 Sundays in rather than 10.
He created the Electric Monk
10 weeks in a month 💀💀💀💀 im dying
Every third day a weekend? nice idea😊
So was Louis XVI.
This is up there with the dead pope trial question. This is going to be excellent!
I haven't checked the answer yet. My guess is that Lagrange invented/improved a time device of some sort that allowed people from the countryside to keep better track of the days of the week, and that way people could pray only when they had to, and not everyday just in case, not knowing which day of the week it was.
Tom saying "Lagrange" like it's Grange Hill
I got this one quickly only because some mentioned the decimal calendar in conversation like yesterday, reminding me of stuff I learned about years and years ago....
Ah yes, the famous Lagrange invention, the guillotine! 😆
Not quite equal gravity between two bodies, but I do think you got the right general idea Tom! Otherwise you couldn't have Lagrange points at L3,4,5
Or L2! Only L1 would exist if that were the definition.
@@Alsadius Lol, true. That's what I get for trying to participate so early in the morning before caffeine makes it's way through my blood stream.
i now want a musical about French revolutionaries being happy about new math
Tom Lehrer is still alive - hit him up! 😄
It's the 1790s! We can now mathematically model fluid dynamics for the first time!*
*I actually have no idea when this was. What was cutting-edge math back in 1790?
Is a triborough hat like a Yankees cap? I hear that's a much more popular style in France these days. ;)
I believe she meant "tricorn", three horns or projections.
She did actually mispronounce "Tricorne" there haha. The hat she was referring to are Tricorne hats.
I was surprised that I had the answer straight away, I usually don't have it as soon. Their joke answers were entertaining, though
Initial thoughts: His points of stable orbit about the minor one of two body systems? But why the 30% ?
The full moon aligning with the sun, as it's not once per month, but skewed by the nature of thing from our fixed-land perspective.
First guess before seeing the answer: something to do with decimalized time. Making a week 10 days long would reduce the number of Sundays by about 30% I think?
Haha I swear I did not watch ahead on this one!
4:19 spoilers
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Small correction, they only got 36 **full** days off. They also got another 36 halfdays off as the 5th workday of each wk was a half workday. Which means they actually got 54 total days off, but 18 of those were made up of two half days; and ppl werent spendin their halfdays off goin to church
The French method technically gave the workers more time off, not less, but bcuz a third of it was half days; it def didnt feel that way to the workers... It felt like they got less time off
Notably, they cudve instd made it so they got an extra day off every other wk, and that wud feel more like more time off even tho the same; but no one wants to work a 9 day wk without even a halfday off in the middle of that shite, esp not peasants in late 18th c France who were used to workin 6 days before gettin a day off, not 9
Immidiate guess was something like a fomula to calculate weather or tides so they could be predicted and not prayed for.
The tenday was around long before 1792.
Triborough hats...? Did she mean tricornes? (Or... Napoleon... maybe bicornes?)
annie is just the wikipedia evangelist!
My guess is that he defined the dawn and dusk. (There are several definitions of those.)
I was *totally* lost until Annie mentioned 1792. What a wild few years.
Damn, I already knew Lagrange and I already knew of the thing that's the basis of the answer to the question, but I didn't know he was the one who came up with it!
L1 is the point where the gravitational pull of 2 massive objects are canceled. It is the point which is fixed relative to the 2 bodies (i.e. it orbits along with the less massive object around the more massive object) and is situated between the the 2 bodies at the point where the gravitational pull of the 2 bodies AND THE CENTRIFUGAL FORCE result in a net zero force. It is a single point. Whereas, net zero gravity exists in a 2D plane.
Also L1 isn't the first option for a satellite because you get interference from both sides from the 2 massive bodies and because L1 is unstable meaning that if you're slightly off you will drift away from that point.
L2 is the point of stable orbit around the combined mass of the two massive objects. It is stable, meaning that if you're slightly off you will be gently pull to L2. Therefore, Satellites are typically placed near L2 and orbit around L2 (which is actually an empty point in space.
Actually, L2 isn’t stable either. Satellites placed there still have to do occasional corrections to stay there because it’s an unstable equilibrium. L4 and L5 are the only ones that are naturally stable and self-correcting.
2:58 I'd say discontent was made :P
"in 1792, what did a Frenchman do", A Revolution thing, I presume? They changed the calendar, probably.
Annie 5:17 "I was looking at the Wikipedia traffic for various Napoleon-related topics after the movie came out. And the article on "triborough" hats was getting more traffic than ever before."
Okay, I give up. There is no article named "triborough hat" in English wikipedia. In fact, a Google search showed the only place that phrase shows up is in the transcript of this episode!
Please point me to the correct wiki article or wherever I can find this information.
I think she meant tricorne hats.
I think Annie lives in New York, and I know there's a Triborough Bridge (actually a set of bridges connecting the boroughs of Manhattan, the Bronx, and Queens) there, which may have been where she got that.
I'm guessing it's the decimal calendar
My intitial guess, the lagrange point?
Tricorne rather than triborough, methinks
I'm at 2:55 into the video and a thought struck me: is this the time in history where they tried changing the week to 10 days? Which would make Sunday 1/10th of the year instead of 1/7th?
The French also created the metric system, started writing numbers as 1.000.000 instead of 1.000000 (so a billion became a thousand million instead of a million million), and started driving on the right-hand side of the road instead of the left.
On their calendar, there were twelve months of three décades followed by five or six Republican holidays.
Surely 10/7 = 43% less often? You've got it inverted.
Les Misérables is set during a completely different revolution.
The hubris required to say you're going to change the length of a second...
why didnt they just do a 10 day week with 2 rest days
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I got it in about 2 seconds… or is that about five seconds in metric time…
Lagrange Points, I'm sure.
I like the metric system, but it does not map well onto the Earth's rotation/revolution cycles.
This is gonna be a time thing isn't it, since they used to have recipes that were like "let the mixture boil while you say the lord's prayer 3 times" or whatever. So with that in mind: Clock with a minute hand? egg timer? something along those lines.
you know what, I'll give myself half points for getting as close as I did.
I think that was a question a few months ago.
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Right at the start btwn the French name and the time period seemin around right... I saw this and was like, is this when France changed their calendars to metric?
I then checked the maths and it wud be about 30% less prayer if we prayed every 10th day instd of every 7th day
They should've put a rest every 5 days, they would still be using 10 day weeks to this day
The french revolution was not known for encouraging religion and prayer anyway. Not sure if the 10 days week had this much of an impact. Brilliant question though.
Anyone who has played D&D in the "Forgotten Realms" setting should get this one quickly.
I never hear metric enthusiasts talk about pushing for decimal calendars and decimal time... i guess at some point they just have to call it enough 😅
it’s like they have an understanding that units work best when actually at human scales or something. in this ted talk I’ll explain reasons why the metric system isn’t good enough to be…
It's just not part of the international metric system. And it's not going to be, because we have so much stuff tied to seconds that frankly, it would break EVERYTHING.
They called, "Time, gentlemen!"
@@IsaacMyers1Because the metric system is so far removed from human scales...For day to day usage, metric vs imperial makes no big difference (metric is slightly better due to easy conversions, not significantly though). For scientific/mathematical usage, it's night and day.
And time does have a somewhat metric measurement in seconds. After all, we use milliseconds and the like.
Its smth that i personally wud love to see, but we cant run on metric time whilst also keepin time accordin to the earth and suns relative positions
I like to believe that a future humanity will achieve decimal timekeepin when we take to the stars and stop plottin time accordin to the position of merely pur own star and planet in our home system; but need to plot it in keepin with some way we can all keep the same time across multiple planetary bodies or even across multiple solar systems or beyond
A 10 hr "day" that is not at all used to determine work days, as local time can do, but is used to track how much time has passed since some stated pt in time that is defined as the zero pt. 100 day "years" or months or what have you; simply to keep a constant record of time. In the same way that our computers alrdy do such by calculatin unix time in number of seconds, minus leap-seconds, since the last day of 1969 ended
The LaGrange Conversion
Woah Annie's got a calculator watch.
I had not noticed that until you mentioned it. Sure enough. It's nice to see one of those again; I wore them myself for years.
the tried capitalist but it didn't vibe with decapitations
Trust a French mathematician to make 'a month of Sundays' even more tedious! : )
Ah, my boi Lagrange. Actually having a decimal calendar makes sense, at least for days and months. 100 months in a decade makes more sense than 120 months.
Would still have months with different numbers of days (5 months with 36 days, 5 with 37).
Twelve also neatly divides into quarters and thirds, which ten does not do.
La Gradian points are locations that are gravitationally stable or semi-stable.
They are points in space relative to bodies in orbit around other bodies, for example, the moon and the Earth or the Earth and the Sun.
These points can be saddle shaped (Think a Pringle chip) or bowl shaped.
The French Republican Calendar was a failure
Never forget the Vendée genocide where Les blues forces near,y wiped out Catholics in western France.
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Did the French only pray on their day off? ;-)
"Go to church 30% less" would be more accurate, if a hell of a clue.
A *lot* of people only/mostly only pray in church, if we're honest.
4:14 Republican, not Revolutionary
Tomasz Szkot
This wasn't the first time a ten day week had been tried. It was the standard week in ancient Egypt. Also the question is not accurate. A religious person doesn't just pray when they are at church. So the reduction in the number of prayers would have been less than 30%.
How is it that you believe that Christians only pray on Sunday? "ALL" my Christian friends pray not only everyday but several times EACH day.
defending the sunday/sabbat is argueably the One good thing the churches did (, until unions took that over)
Churches and unions serve a similar purpose
@@freewave04 Not really. Unions are for the people. Churches are for the priests.
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo You've been going to the wrong churches.
@@inwalters It really does just depend on where and when you're looking. Though usually the "right" churches are far more localized in both space and time.
@@inwalters yep, saying that churches (and other religious institutions) are "for the priests" is giving them too much credit, since even they are (generally) people too.