I agree with the dementia Minecraft, and to be honest if that was what it was presented as and it was just one contained art piece, I’d think it’s a pretty cool idea. But it’s this push towards companies being able to just generate a game instead of employing and paying actual devs and artists, just rubs me the wrong way I guess. The sheep reminded me of an old animation of cows splitting into spiders, can’t remember the artist but made the rounds for a while.
IF ai can do that so easily, then that says much about the artists, none of it good, and mostly nothing about executives (that you didnt know already).
I would agree with most points, other than the fact that the AI co-processors are 'just CPUs with AI models preinstalled'. Most AI models use very specific subsets of GPU functionality (usually matrix multiply and add), and hardly any CPU functionality. If you use all your transistors for just multiply-and-add circuits, rather than for rendering video like a standard GPU, then you will have created a chip that is very fast at executing AI models. This technology has been around for a while; Google had it publicly available on Google Cloud Platform 10 months before ChatGPT released. The concept of very specialised circuits that execute specific operations very fast have also been around for a long time: before the GPU, and before the AI co-processor, we had the FPU (floating point unit). Eventually, the FPU was integrated into the CPU, and it appears that AI co-processors are going the same way - see Apple's Neural Engine and Google's Neural Core (on Pixel phones since 2019!).
The idea probably is to show a concept art images, explain what is happening and what must be done and let AI generate the game. The problem with the current AI models is that they generate what is next upon what was previously the last few outputs without taking into account what it generated as a whole. They don't have a sense that something is continuous, nor have any logic, they just match patterns. It could technically count as a game (entertainment), but there is no play. If you look into only desert blocks for few inputs it will generate a desert landscape, ignoring what it previously shown.
I agree with everything you said, I'm not a fan of this AI takeover and how seriously people are not only taking it but actually utilizing these tools to rip off others. That being said, something about the way the Minecraft project looked was pretty cool. Then again, I like the "lobotomy" memes and abstract art style a lot of games have been experimenting with. I want to see more like that, from actual humans. Otherwise what you and Joanna said is right on the dot.
There is a lot of AI slop, yes, but there are actually some useful applications of AI already in existence. Like I heard the other day of an AI-assist tool that helps artists cell-shade their sketches by automatically detecting regions, where before artists had to manually figure out exactly where the cutoff needed to be in order to look right with anti-aliased or sketchy lineart.
Yeah, there are plenty of good applications for AI out there. Machine learning as a whole is an interesting field. NLP is a great application of AI. This video is speaking mostly on generative AI as a way for companies to replace artists with more derivative slop.
I don't doubt AI will get its greasy little hands on video game creation before we know it, but doing it like this would be an unbelievably counterintuitive and silly approach. Realistically, AI would be used to generate code, art, models and the like individually, not the whole game in real time. I also didn't get the impression that the developers wanted to convince people of the contrary, in fact they're fully transparent that the game's a complete mess, and are playing into it with challenges to complete basic tasks for cash rewards. Ultimately this is all a ploy to drum up attention for a shitty product, but it seems you're looking at it in a slightly warped way
How they actually call as a minecraft? well you can walk, you can put some blocks but you can't break or go some places that you want, or go back somewhere you were. you can't craft.. so how is that makes minecraft minecraft?
I'm not sure I can fully agree, or maybe I just don't understand the criticisms being made. IMO Minecraft is a big enough part of the mainstream zeitgeist that making a Minecraft clone is like making a bejeweled clone or a snake clone; and just like people make clones of these games in unique ways, like making Tetris in Excel or Pokemon Red in Minecraft, AI Minecraft is also just combining two things made by other people (Minecraft and the images used to train the model) to make something new. If it weren't for the company that made it advertising a product, I think most people would find this as a cool little gimmick along the same lines as Infinite Craft...so how does putting one banner at the top of the page mentioning a past fundraiser spoil it any more? The game is still free and can be played unobtrusively. If seeing that the company that made the game also makes other stuff is what bothers people...then just scroll the window down a bit when playing so that the rest of the site is cut off lol.
ai minecraft isnt an original take on the game tho? its entire purpose is to be as close to actual minecraft as possible yet it still fails because the game doesnt know what its even trying to process
Nothing wrong with legitimate fan-games but this clone is just a marketing scheme to sell a product. It couldn't exist without the thousands of Minecraft videos made by youtubers that were used in the model without their consent. It also couldn't exist as a real product because it's infringing on Microsoft's IP. If they somehow invented a way to generate a game without literally just stealing work from other people it might be interesting.
@@Cloaker86 who said it's purpose was to be exactly like Minecraft? As far as originality goes, I defer to my example of someone making Pokémon red run in Minecraft or similar things. That's still someone taking two IPs (one of which is being copied without permission) and making it their own. I don't see how this is fundamentally different besides it using AI as a tool instead of redstone. Things can be greater than the sum of their parts. For all the bad that AI can do, it is also capable of being a tool just like autofocus on a digital camera or image scaling or other tools that make decisions outside of the user's input. And I think this gimmick is a neat way to showcase that tool in the same way concept cars exaggerate and highlight new features. I might agree with you if someone were trying to sell it or trying to claim it's anything other than a Minecraft clone; but from what I'm seeing it just seems like a demo of a tool.
@@XxKilleredxX im not even against ai, but this just isnt an original or creative take on the game, its a total rip, and the fact that its being used to ptomote some questionable business doesnt help it
@@EphiTV fan clones/recreations steal content too. Which for the record I'm fine with in cases like I mentioned originally, where the thing being copied is so embedded within pop culture that the clone doesn't obscure or detract from the thing being copied. As for videos being used as input data, the fact that the videos (with the audio removed) are all similar enough to each other that they can be used as training data to this effect I think demonstrates their being non-transformative and presumably could get the same end-result by independently recording Minecraft footage. Again, this just seems like a company that's highlighting a neat tool to showcase what they do. If they made their own original game from it, then no one would know how useful the tool is. But everyone knows what minecraft is, and so they use that so folks can use it as a point of reference. Hopefully I'm making sense here. This all just feels the same as critiquing Google's dinosaur game thing that you get when you don't have internet connection based on the game's originality and the way it was developed. It just kinda misses the point of why the game is there in the first place.
Can't believe you talk about this like it's some kind of trash cash grab. It's a computer that have created a playable game based on videos you showed it. This is amazing and feels untasteful to rip on it over the resolution
I do tutorials and stuff for making AI art and I 100% agree most AI slop is mostly a money making scheme. The people who actually make good art using AI as a tool (you know just tuning up their own art or having fun) are actually pretty cool and there is a good community of enthusiasts who arent in it to make money or break copyright. None of this new tech is really usable for commercial purposes until they go out and take their own photos and make art specifically to go into an AI model. I do like how the game AI stuff does push AI a little further development wise but in reality there is no real use for most of those kind of things to actually make games. AI tools are a better focus for AI based art generation, they should focus on making stuff specifically to assist artists in speeding up the process (without breaching copyright) it would help smaller indie studios get out games with a much smaller team which im all for.
Still, I think we would all love to see a full memory AI game world genrator that can do fully immersive VR. and as much as i dream of that kind of thing..... its a really really really long way off :P
I feel like the AI Minecraft is an experiment, remember Chat GPT's development took years to write somewhat functional code. There def needs to be a longer memory length, that is what changed Chat GPT 3 to 4
5:20 That's like saying selling a graphics card is selling a CPU with some graphics programs preinstalled. Yes, it's *way* faster. The way that running a program natively on your computer is way faster than emulating another computer. The fact this shitty-hacked together Dementia Minecraft project they threw together to capitalize on AI Doom runs in real-time at all should make it obvious. Overall, good video, though. You successfully cottoned on to the grift.
I have zero, exactly NO, sympathy for artists in regards to AI. I've said this many times, but automation has been putting hardworking people and skilled tradesmen out of work for decades. Over a century if you bend your definition of automation a bit. People don't care about the dying Farmer's Markets when they can get all their groceries from Walmart. They don't care about the destroyed Cobbler's occupation when they can buy the latest Nike's from Amazon. Progression has assassinated so many ways of making a living and people have been happy to gobble it up. Ideas stolen, designs pilfered, generations of family work to build sustainable life completely shattered by the industrial complex. Tell me, why should artists be spared? How are they any different? Were the out there protesting when the government was (and still is!) busting unions? Were they vocal when jobs were packed up and moved overseas to chase Tax Havens and cheap labor? I don't feel sorry for them. And I'm not on their side. Bring on the AI. I can already get everything in my life at a discount. Why not add art to that list too? Maybe once everybody is suffering from this nonsense equally, REAL change can happen and we can bring back humanity to our way of living.
I agree. Besides, some AI content is already better than what most of these so called "artists" have been doing lately, which is absolute trash to say the least And I'm not talking about indie developers; I'm talking about the big Triple ASS companies. Also, I never gave a crap about the 2023 Hollywood strike either.
"Other bad things have happened and most people haven't said anything about it, so why should we resist against more bad things happening?" You're generalizing "artists" as one big hivemind when they are billions of different people with different thoughts and ideas.
@@neonvortex _"why should we resist against more bad things happening?"_ Sorry, but AI is not a "bad thing" for me; it's quite the opposite to be honest. But yeah, AI will definitely be a bad thing for some.
I'm usually pretty hard on pro-AI comments but you're not actually mad at artists. I think you're angry at politics, corrupt businessmen, the economy and morally bankrupt individuals. What you need is an internet detox, and it's not a snide suggestion like "seek help" - I strongly think you need to distance yourself from controversy and enjoy life. Focus on yourself and your inner circle rather than artificial problems you have no control over, the heartache will lead to debilitating health problems and bad habits down the road and not even I would wish that upon my worst enemy. As anti-AI as I am, I don't target the users who play with it recreationally. My problem is the complicit governments allowing large corporations to lobby for legal loopholes to infringe on other people's rights.
I actually really enjoy a lot of AI picture art, especially due the the accessability of it. Movies and definitely games are far from good enough as of now, though. Not even uncanny, just bad.
The hard truth is that AI generated games and videos *_are_* the future. You can love or hate AI content all you want, but you won't be able to change that reality. And yes, I totally agree on the fact that that Minecraft rip-off tech demo looks like crap and it's not even playable, but you all need to keep in mind that this is the worst that AI games are going to look. And I wouldn't be surprised if, by the end of 2025, we have AI generated games that look basically like real life.
@@scrittle If this was reddit, I would say _"RemindMe! in 4 years,"_ just to see how you end up swallowing your own words. Human history is full of people who were totally convinced that something would "never" happen.
@@DanyAI92 What benefits does generative AI provide in this case? I am trying my best to avoid generalization here. Why are they in particular "the future"? What benefit do they provide other than saving companies money? No one even willingly gives images to the datasets that these algorithms are trained on. LAION-5B, an extremely popular AI training dataset used by generative AI platforms like Stable Diffusion, contains at least 1,679 images of child sexual abuse imagery, according to Stanford's Internet Observatory. Emphasis on "at least". These models use random content from the Internet scraped without anybody's permission, which not only results in people having their work scraped without their consent, but also things like this.
@@neonvortex _"What benefits does generative AI provide in this case? What benefit do they provide other than saving companies money?"_ Saving money (and time)? That's already a HUGE win for indie and solo devs! Because being able to make things dramatically faster, cheaper, and easier is not a big deal, right? LOL _"Why are they in particular "the future"?"_ I don't even need to reply to this question because you already answered it.
@@DanyAI92 There is a lot of failed "futures" too, so that's a dumb argument. NFTs are already forgotten for example And AI doesn't save a lot of effort or something, it's just doing everything very badly. Just look at generated texts or pictures. I suspect even code writing isn't very useful above something pretty simple
Good video evil Tobey Maguire
😅
clicked on the video to say that
I agree with the dementia Minecraft, and to be honest if that was what it was presented as and it was just one contained art piece, I’d think it’s a pretty cool idea. But it’s this push towards companies being able to just generate a game instead of employing and paying actual devs and artists, just rubs me the wrong way I guess. The sheep reminded me of an old animation of cows splitting into spiders, can’t remember the artist but made the rounds for a while.
Cyriak "Cows & cows & cows" If anyone is interested.
IF ai can do that so easily, then that says much about the artists, none of it good, and mostly nothing about executives (that you didnt know already).
I love a game that can hold 3 frames of save data at a time
If only there was a video game that could create a randomly generated open world that you could spend hours playing in.
if only there was a game where you could mine and craft things
Hello again young Tobey Maguire, glad to see you've chosen to ridicule AI instead of combating the paparazzi.
The best use for AI is replacing shareholders.
Whether or not you're joking, this is unironically true.
I would agree with most points, other than the fact that the AI co-processors are 'just CPUs with AI models preinstalled'. Most AI models use very specific subsets of GPU functionality (usually matrix multiply and add), and hardly any CPU functionality. If you use all your transistors for just multiply-and-add circuits, rather than for rendering video like a standard GPU, then you will have created a chip that is very fast at executing AI models.
This technology has been around for a while; Google had it publicly available on Google Cloud Platform 10 months before ChatGPT released. The concept of very specialised circuits that execute specific operations very fast have also been around for a long time: before the GPU, and before the AI co-processor, we had the FPU (floating point unit). Eventually, the FPU was integrated into the CPU, and it appears that AI co-processors are going the same way - see Apple's Neural Engine and Google's Neural Core (on Pixel phones since 2019!).
The idea probably is to show a concept art images, explain what is happening and what must be done and let AI generate the game. The problem with the current AI models is that they generate what is next upon what was previously the last few outputs without taking into account what it generated as a whole. They don't have a sense that something is continuous, nor have any logic, they just match patterns. It could technically count as a game (entertainment), but there is no play. If you look into only desert blocks for few inputs it will generate a desert landscape, ignoring what it previously shown.
i love it when Tobey Maguire if He Got Really Into Snakes At 16™️ posts!!
I agree with everything you said, I'm not a fan of this AI takeover and how seriously people are not only taking it but actually utilizing these tools to rip off others.
That being said, something about the way the Minecraft project looked was pretty cool. Then again, I like the "lobotomy" memes and abstract art style a lot of games have been experimenting with. I want to see more like that, from actual humans. Otherwise what you and Joanna said is right on the dot.
There is a lot of AI slop, yes, but there are actually some useful applications of AI already in existence. Like I heard the other day of an AI-assist tool that helps artists cell-shade their sketches by automatically detecting regions, where before artists had to manually figure out exactly where the cutoff needed to be in order to look right with anti-aliased or sketchy lineart.
Yeah, there are plenty of good applications for AI out there. Machine learning as a whole is an interesting field. NLP is a great application of AI. This video is speaking mostly on generative AI as a way for companies to replace artists with more derivative slop.
@@EphiTV I for one cant wait for artists to have to find real jobs. Its going to be so funny.
Try playing a game where the HUD keeps randomly changing the numbers in your inventory like this. Sounds like the most annoying game ever made.
if you think about it, it's like a machine dream
I don't doubt AI will get its greasy little hands on video game creation before we know it, but doing it like this would be an unbelievably counterintuitive and silly approach. Realistically, AI would be used to generate code, art, models and the like individually, not the whole game in real time. I also didn't get the impression that the developers wanted to convince people of the contrary, in fact they're fully transparent that the game's a complete mess, and are playing into it with challenges to complete basic tasks for cash rewards. Ultimately this is all a ploy to drum up attention for a shitty product, but it seems you're looking at it in a slightly warped way
How they actually call as a minecraft? well you can walk, you can put some blocks but you can't break or go some places that you want, or go back somewhere you were. you can't craft.. so how is that makes minecraft minecraft?
Seen it floating around, thanks for the better context.
I'm not sure I can fully agree, or maybe I just don't understand the criticisms being made. IMO Minecraft is a big enough part of the mainstream zeitgeist that making a Minecraft clone is like making a bejeweled clone or a snake clone; and just like people make clones of these games in unique ways, like making Tetris in Excel or Pokemon Red in Minecraft, AI Minecraft is also just combining two things made by other people (Minecraft and the images used to train the model) to make something new. If it weren't for the company that made it advertising a product, I think most people would find this as a cool little gimmick along the same lines as Infinite Craft...so how does putting one banner at the top of the page mentioning a past fundraiser spoil it any more? The game is still free and can be played unobtrusively. If seeing that the company that made the game also makes other stuff is what bothers people...then just scroll the window down a bit when playing so that the rest of the site is cut off lol.
ai minecraft isnt an original take on the game tho? its entire purpose is to be as close to actual minecraft as possible yet it still fails because the game doesnt know what its even trying to process
Nothing wrong with legitimate fan-games but this clone is just a marketing scheme to sell a product. It couldn't exist without the thousands of Minecraft videos made by youtubers that were used in the model without their consent. It also couldn't exist as a real product because it's infringing on Microsoft's IP. If they somehow invented a way to generate a game without literally just stealing work from other people it might be interesting.
@@Cloaker86 who said it's purpose was to be exactly like Minecraft? As far as originality goes, I defer to my example of someone making Pokémon red run in Minecraft or similar things. That's still someone taking two IPs (one of which is being copied without permission) and making it their own. I don't see how this is fundamentally different besides it using AI as a tool instead of redstone. Things can be greater than the sum of their parts. For all the bad that AI can do, it is also capable of being a tool just like autofocus on a digital camera or image scaling or other tools that make decisions outside of the user's input. And I think this gimmick is a neat way to showcase that tool in the same way concept cars exaggerate and highlight new features. I might agree with you if someone were trying to sell it or trying to claim it's anything other than a Minecraft clone; but from what I'm seeing it just seems like a demo of a tool.
@@XxKilleredxX im not even against ai, but this just isnt an original or creative take on the game, its a total rip, and the fact that its being used to ptomote some questionable business doesnt help it
@@EphiTV fan clones/recreations steal content too. Which for the record I'm fine with in cases like I mentioned originally, where the thing being copied is so embedded within pop culture that the clone doesn't obscure or detract from the thing being copied. As for videos being used as input data, the fact that the videos (with the audio removed) are all similar enough to each other that they can be used as training data to this effect I think demonstrates their being non-transformative and presumably could get the same end-result by independently recording Minecraft footage.
Again, this just seems like a company that's highlighting a neat tool to showcase what they do. If they made their own original game from it, then no one would know how useful the tool is. But everyone knows what minecraft is, and so they use that so folks can use it as a point of reference.
Hopefully I'm making sense here. This all just feels the same as critiquing Google's dinosaur game thing that you get when you don't have internet connection based on the game's originality and the way it was developed. It just kinda misses the point of why the game is there in the first place.
I do use chat gpt for spellchecking and grammar help as someone who is dyslexic, it really helps
Programs like that exist already. Why use chat gpt
Never seen you before but you'd be an amazing Spider Man 3 Toby cosplayer, like jesus
yeah it's dumb, thanks bud
You’re comparing pong to red dead redemption 2, obviously Ai Minecraft isn’t going to be an incredible AAA game.
The devs themselves are comparing it to real minecraft, which it is a direct copy of. Yet it still fails at being that in almost every way.
AIs true purpose is shitposting
When's the fourth movie
Can't believe you talk about this like it's some kind of trash cash grab.
It's a computer that have created a playable game based on videos you showed it. This is amazing and feels untasteful to rip on it over the resolution
I do tutorials and stuff for making AI art and I 100% agree most AI slop is mostly a money making scheme. The people who actually make good art using AI as a tool (you know just tuning up their own art or having fun) are actually pretty cool and there is a good community of enthusiasts who arent in it to make money or break copyright.
None of this new tech is really usable for commercial purposes until they go out and take their own photos and make art specifically to go into an AI model.
I do like how the game AI stuff does push AI a little further development wise but in reality there is no real use for most of those kind of things to actually make games. AI tools are a better focus for AI based art generation, they should focus on making stuff specifically to assist artists in speeding up the process (without breaching copyright) it would help smaller indie studios get out games with a much smaller team which im all for.
Still, I think we would all love to see a full memory AI game world genrator that can do fully immersive VR. and as much as i dream of that kind of thing..... its a really really really long way off :P
I feel like the AI Minecraft is an experiment, remember Chat GPT's development took years to write somewhat functional code. There def needs to be a longer memory length, that is what changed Chat GPT 3 to 4
good video
Thank you for finally giving a platform to something I've been saying for a long time! Another compsci/ML programmer here
As a playable product its not good but as a showcase of real time machine learning, it is VERY impressive.
5:20 That's like saying selling a graphics card is selling a CPU with some graphics programs preinstalled. Yes, it's *way* faster. The way that running a program natively on your computer is way faster than emulating another computer. The fact this shitty-hacked together Dementia Minecraft project they threw together to capitalize on AI Doom runs in real-time at all should make it obvious.
Overall, good video, though. You successfully cottoned on to the grift.
I have zero, exactly NO, sympathy for artists in regards to AI. I've said this many times, but automation has been putting hardworking people and skilled tradesmen out of work for decades. Over a century if you bend your definition of automation a bit.
People don't care about the dying Farmer's Markets when they can get all their groceries from Walmart. They don't care about the destroyed Cobbler's occupation when they can buy the latest Nike's from Amazon. Progression has assassinated so many ways of making a living and people have been happy to gobble it up.
Ideas stolen, designs pilfered, generations of family work to build sustainable life completely shattered by the industrial complex. Tell me, why should artists be spared? How are they any different? Were the out there protesting when the government was (and still is!) busting unions? Were they vocal when jobs were packed up and moved overseas to chase Tax Havens and cheap labor?
I don't feel sorry for them. And I'm not on their side. Bring on the AI. I can already get everything in my life at a discount. Why not add art to that list too? Maybe once everybody is suffering from this nonsense equally, REAL change can happen and we can bring back humanity to our way of living.
I agree.
Besides, some AI content is already better than what most of these so called "artists" have been doing lately, which is absolute trash to say the least And I'm not talking about indie developers; I'm talking about the big Triple ASS companies.
Also, I never gave a crap about the 2023 Hollywood strike either.
"Other bad things have happened and most people haven't said anything about it, so why should we resist against more bad things happening?"
You're generalizing "artists" as one big hivemind when they are billions of different people with different thoughts and ideas.
@@DanyAI92 AAA companies don't make art, they make products. They exist only to sell.
@@neonvortex _"why should we resist against more bad things happening?"_
Sorry, but AI is not a "bad thing" for me; it's quite the opposite to be honest.
But yeah, AI will definitely be a bad thing for some.
I'm usually pretty hard on pro-AI comments but you're not actually mad at artists. I think you're angry at politics, corrupt businessmen, the economy and morally bankrupt individuals. What you need is an internet detox, and it's not a snide suggestion like "seek help" - I strongly think you need to distance yourself from controversy and enjoy life. Focus on yourself and your inner circle rather than artificial problems you have no control over, the heartache will lead to debilitating health problems and bad habits down the road and not even I would wish that upon my worst enemy.
As anti-AI as I am, I don't target the users who play with it recreationally. My problem is the complicit governments allowing large corporations to lobby for legal loopholes to infringe on other people's rights.
I actually really enjoy a lot of AI picture art, especially due the the accessability of it. Movies and definitely games are far from good enough as of now, though. Not even uncanny, just bad.
The hard truth is that AI generated games and videos *_are_* the future.
You can love or hate AI content all you want, but you won't be able to change that reality.
And yes, I totally agree on the fact that that Minecraft rip-off tech demo looks like crap and it's not even playable, but you all need to keep in mind that this is the worst that AI games are going to look. And I wouldn't be surprised if, by the end of 2025, we have AI generated games that look basically like real life.
Nah, it's not the future; it's a bubble, but keep telling yourself that.
@@scrittle If this was reddit, I would say _"RemindMe! in 4 years,"_ just to see how you end up swallowing your own words.
Human history is full of people who were totally convinced that something would "never" happen.
@@DanyAI92 What benefits does generative AI provide in this case? I am trying my best to avoid generalization here. Why are they in particular "the future"? What benefit do they provide other than saving companies money? No one even willingly gives images to the datasets that these algorithms are trained on. LAION-5B, an extremely popular AI training dataset used by generative AI platforms like Stable Diffusion, contains at least 1,679 images of child sexual abuse imagery, according to Stanford's Internet Observatory. Emphasis on "at least". These models use random content from the Internet scraped without anybody's permission, which not only results in people having their work scraped without their consent, but also things like this.
@@neonvortex _"What benefits does generative AI provide in this case? What benefit do they provide other than saving companies money?"_
Saving money (and time)?
That's already a HUGE win for indie and solo devs!
Because being able to make things dramatically faster, cheaper, and easier is not a big deal, right?
LOL
_"Why are they in particular "the future"?"_
I don't even need to reply to this question because you already answered it.
@@DanyAI92 There is a lot of failed "futures" too, so that's a dumb argument. NFTs are already forgotten for example
And AI doesn't save a lot of effort or something, it's just doing everything very badly. Just look at generated texts or pictures. I suspect even code writing isn't very useful above something pretty simple