Ever since I got my electric mountain bike I got completely re-enthused for the sport. I lost all of my excess weight and I ride five times a week. I go twice as fast with 400% more miles than a regular bike and I have 1000% more fun.
Honestly, it would be better to educate people as to what an e-bike is. You stated yourself within the first 15 seconds that kids and the young folks are cruising around the streets on ebikes at 45 mph. At 45 mph, whatever they are riding does not fit the legal definition of an electric bike or an E bike. If we could educate the general public to this fact, I don’t think majority of what is considered a legal bike would be getting a bad rap.
@okamisan3642 come on what. How long will it be before we have to get all ebikes registered and have a license to ride them. Even a class one mountain bike may have to have a green sticker like california does for a dirtbikes. The general public doesn't see any difference between a class one Ebike and a suron. They just see them all as a problem. And they far outnumber e bike riders.
good point. But street ebikes, e-motos and e-scooters are going to be hard to define and regulate. There's going to be a lot of sorting out to do as third-rate manufacturers try to jostle for market share. And then there's the kids.... don't know how to ride or any of the traffic laws and try to go fast and play in the streets. Good thing is in the mountain bike world, electric is very well defined with Class 1. US manufacturer will all try and abide by the rules since trail access and growth of the category is at stake.
@@EMTBReview you are correct that it is pretty well defined in the mountain bike world. Even there, I see manufacturers come out with what they are calling “EMTBs, that are clearly outside of class one status. The problem is the mountain bike world is too small to have a voice over top the general public. There is a town in Florida that has already banned every single bike there is. the town council was certainly aware of the differences between different classes and yet they chose to ban all of them from town. at this point it will take somebody fighting this new ordinance to have it reversed which I’m sure would not be very difficult but no people are not interested in doing that. I could tell you the general public absolutely hates e-bikes. They hate them because of the youngsters that you had spoke about terrorizing sidewalks. They do not realize there is such a difference from one to another. Unless we put some type of a separation between these faster, more powerful heavier, e-bikes that are being built. We will all have to pay the price.
I agree completely with all five of your "pro" points. And as for the one "con," I solved that by going with an SL--it comes in at just under 37 pounds, and they've somehow done a good job with disengaging from the motor when it's turned off, as the bike has very little drag if you're forced to go analog. Also, knock on wood, no motor failures or glitches yet! (I'm riding a BMC Fourstroke Amp LT, which uses the TQ motor. Granted, it's a cross-country bike, or it couldn't reach that low weight. But, it suits me great, and I love it. Which reminds me--I need to get up off this couch this minute and go ride it!)
I've found that I have a sense of risk that I'm willing to accept, regardless of which type of bike I'm riding. My risk threshold limits my speed and how technical the trails are that I'm willing to ride. Since I've been riding regular mountain bikes for 35 years and an e-mtb for only 2 years my risk envelop has been very well established on the regular mountain bike and has been evolving more recently on the e-Mtb. I did crash on the e-Mtb a few times over the first year as I progressed through that learning curve. But now I'd say that my risk management skills are relatively equal on both bikes and one is not more risky to ride than the other, So I'd say "safety" is less about the type of bike and more about our skills to ride them.
Very, very good share. It's all about risk management, adventure, and learning management. Long-term riders ride at about 80-90% ability most of the time. Push the envelope every once in a while, learn and explore the limits. The old adage of "if you're not crashing, you're not trying..." is hogwash. Crashes happen but should never be the norm. Also, I omitted the prejudice: - emtbs get riders into trouble because it get them where they don't belong. Though true, the exact same thing is true for the mountain bike (vs. hiking). The trouble may happen once or twice but we quickly learn and adapt and develop our risk envelop (as you say). Folks who keep banging their head on the ground with the ebike will do it with a bike a well, or without any tool.
Your saying more gear, more weight, and more money = safer? Idk about that, I find when people get used to bikes In the bike work through normal bikes and learning how to pedal and go through the rought times and learn the basic odds n ends of the bike. It really allows the rider to be more aware and conscious of the bike n what they do through the ride… just like a kid, I would teach my kid to ride a ebike first personally cause it’s nice to just go slow sometimes n just cruise or even have a good quiet analog pump
It is also Healthier ask why ? Simple you have option to do ur pain gain by turning off thr engine , and it also prevents biomechanical injury while having fun !
I love to ride my eEnduro bike. Mainly because it makes so many hard technical climbs around here doable. It lowers my threshold to get out. And usually I go on for longer then expected. BUT it also was that bikes weight and power that shattered my Femur and hip in multiple pieces spinning on a slippery bedrock. Wouldn't have happened on a normal bike.. One year later I'm out riding again and have been doing so since I had to use two crutches to walk to the garage and get on the bike. So I would argue that any bike can be safe or dangerous. It's up to the rider, sometimes combined with a bit of luck.
I've been riding emtbs a LOT since 2016, and was a bit skeptical on your hypothesis since you tend to crash at a little higher velocity. But you make some great points and I agree with them.
Thank you @percivalgoogleyes6178. Yeah, it's a little bit of an oxymoron for a boosted mountain bike to be safer. But... it really has been my experience. Of course, in the hands of goon, easier to get in trouble.
Would be interesting to see what actual data shows rather than pure conjecture. I'm way faster descending on my enduro and DH bikes than on my FF ebike, and my worst injury crashes were on ebikes.
If you had to recommend an SL e-bike right now, w which one would you recommend? I know the AmFlow is the ideal one but realistically it won’t be available in the USA for a while. My favorite is the Orbe Rise LT
Heckler SL or Ari Nebo are great bikes with the best motor. No extender battery yet. If one really wants an extender, Bosch SX motor is the way . Mondraker SLY is the one!
I totally agree. Except maybe the part where you get the bike out of the back of the truck and you throw your back out which is not happening to me yet. People have no idea how much you used to crash on 26” inch tires and no suspension fork. These kids have had suspension their whole lives😂
You are dead on with this video. My skills are ten fold because i ride an ebike. I ride twice as far, with twice as much fun. But still come home sore and tired because I still ride hard.
With all due respect, I didn’t understand this video at all. The first part is about kids riding recklessly on city roads and without helmets. I have seen it right here in my neighborhood. Not cool. We need to raise responsible and respectful mountain bikers whether it’s E or not E.
It's not the bike. Just like it's not the gun. It's the misuse of the individual operating it. This is yet another reason why we need to go back to being responsible for your actions. When I ride electric, I ride responsible. And so should you.
This is exactly what mountain bikes allow (compared to hiking). And guess what… bikers figure it, live and learn, if there is a bad experience. That’s why why you never hear of Emtb fatalities many years and millions of miles later with emtbs. Every year though, I hear of many Mtbers dying in desert trails due to heat stroke since they’re unable to make it back
Ever since I got my electric mountain bike I got completely re-enthused for the sport. I lost all of my excess weight and I ride five times a week. I go twice as fast with 400% more miles than a regular bike and I have 1000% more fun.
Honestly, it would be better to educate people as to what an e-bike is. You stated yourself within the first 15 seconds that kids and the young folks are cruising around the streets on ebikes at 45 mph. At 45 mph, whatever they are riding does not fit the legal definition of an electric bike or an E bike. If we could educate the general public to this fact, I don’t think majority of what is considered a legal bike would be getting a bad rap.
Come on, dude.
@okamisan3642 come on what. How long will it be before we have to get all ebikes registered and have a license to ride them. Even a class one mountain bike may have to have a green sticker like california does for a dirtbikes. The general public doesn't see any difference between a class one Ebike and a suron. They just see them all as a problem. And they far outnumber e bike riders.
good point. But street ebikes, e-motos and e-scooters are going to be hard to define and regulate. There's going to be a lot of sorting out to do as third-rate manufacturers try to jostle for market share. And then there's the kids.... don't know how to ride or any of the traffic laws and try to go fast and play in the streets.
Good thing is in the mountain bike world, electric is very well defined with Class 1. US manufacturer will all try and abide by the rules since trail access and growth of the category is at stake.
@@EMTBReview you are correct that it is pretty well defined in the mountain bike world. Even there, I see manufacturers come out with what they are calling “EMTBs, that are clearly outside of class one status. The problem is the mountain bike world is too small to have a voice over top the general public. There is a town in Florida that has already banned every single bike there is. the town council was certainly aware of the differences between different classes and yet they chose to ban all of them from town. at this point it will take somebody fighting this new ordinance to have it reversed which I’m sure would not be very difficult but no people are not interested in doing that. I could tell you the general public absolutely hates e-bikes. They hate them because of the youngsters that you had spoke about terrorizing sidewalks. They do not realize there is such a difference from one to another. Unless we put some type of a separation between these faster, more powerful heavier, e-bikes that are being built. We will all have to pay the price.
I agree completely with all five of your "pro" points. And as for the one "con," I solved that by going with an SL--it comes in at just under 37 pounds, and they've somehow done a good job with disengaging from the motor when it's turned off, as the bike has very little drag if you're forced to go analog. Also, knock on wood, no motor failures or glitches yet! (I'm riding a BMC Fourstroke Amp LT, which uses the TQ motor. Granted, it's a cross-country bike, or it couldn't reach that low weight. But, it suits me great, and I love it. Which reminds me--I need to get up off this couch this minute and go ride it!)
I've found that I have a sense of risk that I'm willing to accept, regardless of which type of bike I'm riding. My risk threshold limits my speed and how technical the trails are that I'm willing to ride. Since I've been riding regular mountain bikes for 35 years and an e-mtb for only 2 years my risk envelop has been very well established on the regular mountain bike and has been evolving more recently on the e-Mtb. I did crash on the e-Mtb a few times over the first year as I progressed through that learning curve. But now I'd say that my risk management skills are relatively equal on both bikes and one is not more risky to ride than the other, So I'd say "safety" is less about the type of bike and more about our skills to ride them.
Very, very good share. It's all about risk management, adventure, and learning management. Long-term riders ride at about 80-90% ability most of the time. Push the envelope every once in a while, learn and explore the limits.
The old adage of "if you're not crashing, you're not trying..." is hogwash. Crashes happen but should never be the norm.
Also, I omitted the prejudice:
- emtbs get riders into trouble because it get them where they don't belong.
Though true, the exact same thing is true for the mountain bike (vs. hiking). The trouble may happen once or twice but we quickly learn and adapt and develop our risk envelop (as you say). Folks who keep banging their head on the ground with the ebike will do it with a bike a well, or without any tool.
Your saying more gear, more weight, and more money = safer? Idk about that, I find when people get used to bikes In the bike work through normal bikes and learning how to pedal and go through the rought times and learn the basic odds n ends of the bike. It really allows the rider to be more aware and conscious of the bike n what they do through the ride… just like a kid, I would teach my kid to ride a ebike first personally cause it’s nice to just go slow sometimes n just cruise or even have a good quiet analog pump
It is also Healthier ask why ? Simple you have option to do ur pain gain by turning off thr engine , and it also prevents biomechanical injury while having fun !
I love to ride my eEnduro bike. Mainly because it makes so many hard technical climbs around here doable. It lowers my threshold to get out. And usually I go on for longer then expected.
BUT it also was that bikes weight and power that shattered my Femur and hip in multiple pieces spinning on a slippery bedrock. Wouldn't have happened on a normal bike..
One year later I'm out riding again and have been doing so since I had to use two crutches to walk to the garage and get on the bike. So I would argue that any bike can be safe or dangerous. It's up to the rider, sometimes combined with a bit of luck.
Like your videos.they make a lot of sense.helpful and to the point.i am new to e mtb but have ridden motorcycle trials for 50 years.thankyou heaps.😊
Great to hear! I try to spread the stoke.
I've been riding emtbs a LOT since 2016, and was a bit skeptical on your hypothesis since you tend to crash at a little higher velocity. But you make some great points and I agree with them.
Thank you @percivalgoogleyes6178. Yeah, it's a little bit of an oxymoron for a boosted mountain bike to be safer. But... it really has been my experience.
Of course, in the hands of goon, easier to get in trouble.
Would be interesting to see what actual data shows rather than pure conjecture. I'm way faster descending on my enduro and DH bikes than on my FF ebike, and my worst injury crashes were on ebikes.
The interesting thing is regular bikes are faster on a pure downhills. Change direction and brake faster. Easier to pedal past 20mph too.
Agreed. All good points.
Great information as usual, thanks
Thanks for watching! Just verbalizing random thoughts
If you had to recommend an SL e-bike right now, w which one would you recommend?
I know the AmFlow is the ideal one but realistically it won’t be available in the USA for a while.
My favorite is the Orbe Rise LT
Heckler SL or Ari Nebo are great bikes with the best motor. No extender battery yet.
If one really wants an extender, Bosch SX motor is the way . Mondraker SLY is the one!
I totally agree. Except maybe the part where you get the bike out of the back of the truck and you throw your back out which is not happening to me yet. People have no idea how much you used to crash on 26” inch tires and no suspension fork. These kids have had suspension their whole lives😂
Full power e-bikes are the heaviest when not moving.
You are dead on with this video. My skills are ten fold because i ride an ebike. I ride twice as far, with twice as much fun. But still come home sore and tired because I still ride hard.
Remember....Im talking about CLASS 1 on trails. Not idiots on roads with MOTOR BIKES.
No doubt!! Such a great learning tool.
I had to self rescue myself with 5 broken ribs. With an Ebike I was able to ride back home. It would have been really difficult with a mountain bike.
Yup. It's happened over and over. Can rescue other people too. Either tow them or swap bikes with them.
With all due respect, I didn’t understand this video at all. The first part is about kids riding recklessly on city roads and without helmets. I have seen it right here in my neighborhood. Not cool. We need to raise responsible and respectful mountain bikers whether it’s E or not E.
Reason #6 - when I am being chased by a bear, I have a better chance of getting away and surviving. 😁
That’s for darn sure. Can turn around and escape uphill :)
It's not the bike. Just like it's not the gun. It's the misuse of the individual operating it.
This is yet another reason why we need to go back to being responsible for your actions.
When I ride electric, I ride responsible. And so should you.
e-bikes allows riders to go places the don't have the skills to ride. I have seen this several times. Very dangerous.
This is exactly what mountain bikes allow (compared to hiking).
And guess what… bikers figure it, live and learn, if there is a bad experience. That’s why why you never hear of Emtb fatalities many years and millions of miles later with emtbs.
Every year though, I hear of many Mtbers dying in desert trails due to heat stroke since they’re unable to make it back
Jordi isnt going to agree with you 😂
Jordiwho? I said 'safer' not faster. :) Emtbs are slower on the downhills btw... for now. :)
Jordi C.... Anti eMTB especially at campus. His negative eMTB argument is most of your positive argument...lol
this is just dumb , the stupity of blanket statements , for safety , how truly dangerous
“Truly dangerous” 😂😂😂. Keep your racism in Charlotte.
State your opinion if you can express it. Blanket insults are too easy
Might as well ride a motorcycle for the reasons you have given.
Prejudiced comment right there :)
Motorcycles are great if you have the legal terrain for it. And if you don’t want any pedaling fitness at all.