American (in Australia) Reacts to "Gallipoli (1981): the final and tragic scene"
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- So many Australians have recommended the 1981 movie "Gallipoli" and although I haven't seen the movie Gallipoli yet, I wanted to react to this final scene from the movie. Let's take a look at the last scene of Gallopoli.
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Peter Weir directed the movie not Mel Gibson, Mel was the guy running the message to the trenches. Mel came to Australia when he was 12, his acting debut was in a 1976 popular Aussie TV show called "The Sullivan's" he made his 1st movie here in 1977 called " Summer City" He really got noticed when he starred in a movie called "Tim" another great Aussie Movie! The rest is history!
His breakout movie was Mad Max :D
This short move gave insight of life in the trench as for how it was for the troops going over the trench. But it didn't really tell a story of the battle of what actually happened there. unlike the new mini series did. I guess funding was an issue during the making of this film. But atleast it was good to see Mel Gibson in it
I teach world history in the 🇺🇸…been showing this movie to students for the last 22 years…seen this movie about 100 times…you have to watch the entire movie to understand the fast as a leopard as well as the mateship that’s established between the two characters…very powerful ending, all factual, brings a tear to my eye every time i watch it
Why react to your deliberate oblivion ?
Actually not all factual as the Australian attack at the end was not to support the British landings at Suvla Bay but a New Zealand offensive to take a ridge from the Otteman Turks. So no Australians were dying for the British while they were drinking tea on the beach.
@@thomasbrownriggholden3395 i was referring to the 3 lines of Light Horsemen and the charges at the Nek…and yes there was part of a 4th…but I realize there were some fallacies regarding some of the events, although during the campaign, Stopford did halt his attack at Suvla because his men had yet to experience war and it was early so rather than take the heights, he decided to set up his headquarters on the beach, allowing the Turks to get to the heights
I saw the film when first released, so many years ago but I will never forget it’s impact on the audience. No noise except for people crying. Helped us to be proud of the original ANZACs and those that followed them and what it means to be Australians.
Gallipoli (1981) was a great movie and widely critically acclaimed here in Australia though it was less well understood overseas. Arguably the movie which really launched Mel Gibson on his acting career, despite his breakout role being in the earlier "Mad Max", it is well worth watching.
Tim, the movie, will still always be Gibsons’ best movie for me. The book is also excellent.
@@dougstubbs9637 I couldn't agree any more, bonus having Abigail in the movie
Two of my great uncles were wounded at Gallipoli. One survived and went on to fight in France. The other was crippled for life. Their younger brother died in France on the Somme and is buried in France. My great Grandfather fought as well and survived several battles. He fought at Passchendaele which had 63% casualties for his battalion which I always found to be frightening. His younger brother died in France as well. Seems like a lot of sacrifice for little return.
My great grandfather fought right through ww1 he was in the light horse. He fought at golipoli. Than on Palestine. Fought in the battle of Beersheba. Fought at the Some on the western front. He got wounded at poisar France. Then fought on to other battles till the last battle. Still fit and healthy but the first day he landed back in Australia he was hit by a car walking across the road and died instantly. My grandfather who never got to meet him as he was born 3 weeks after he left to go to war. My grandfather was the youngest out of 9 children. My great grandfather didn't sign up when the war started he was already in Australian army 2 years before the war started he was 32 years old 1915 when he went into battle
Yes it was a great sacrifice of life ,the anguish of the families resonates to this day, but to say of little return. Look at the standard set,yes it was a pointless waste,mindless and unfathomable to people today.But a man stood proud and would defend what was important to him .If his life and all his dreams were to be cherished and the ones he cared for the most were to be protected he stood up and said no,I will protect them. If I die doing it that is the price I will pay for there love,there is nothing I will not do ,for they are my life.
When the movie debuted it was in Adelaide and members of 10 Battalion decided to salute the WW1 diggers who were still alive as they were bussed in to view the movie for its grand opening. We were the last unit in the Australian army to officially learn the drill of the time. All of the diggers who were there have since passed on and this sort of thing will never happen again. Boy did we shed a few tears that night. Many of the scenes were shot near Pt Lincoln and many fellow soldiers were extras in the movie and some of them were in the in the scene depicted. We were young then and now we are all in our 60's or older. I think I can speak for all who saluted and all the soldiers who were extras we were very proud to be a small part of history.
The wire would be a phone line. They were exposed to the elements and so would break quite often, not to mention get damaged by shrapnel from shelling, cut during trench raids by the enemy, etc. When that happened they'd be forced to use a runner to convey messages rather than the much easier just picking up a phone.
I do like this movie but as both an Aussie and a history buff it’s very incorrect in a lot of ways. Very pop history, I would recommend watching kings and Generals video to get the context.
It does however show how it remembered in the minds of Aussies and Kiwi’s. also, to note that it’s a massive deal in turkey as well as one of the officers on the Turks side was Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Its his words that I think really sum up how our 3 nations fell today.
“Those heroes that shed their blood And lost their lives. You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore, rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies And the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side Here in this country of ours. You, the mothers, Who sent their sons from far away countries Wipe away your tears, Your sons are now lying in our bosom And are in peace After having lost their lives on this land they have Become our sons as well”.
Atatürk was the father of modern Turkey. He was their legend until Erdogan came along and trashed their secular democracy.
If you are Australian even this one scene brings you to tears. Galliopoli is part of the Australian psyche on a very deep level. 🤧
It was the first major battle of the war. The worse one was at poisar France on the western front where Australian forces actually lost the most men in a single day 32.000 killed but it ended in Australian victory unlike golipoli as where they had to evacuate
@@Nathan-ry3yu There were major battles in the war before Gallipoli. This is just the first major battle Australia took part in.
When David Williamson wrote the screenplay for the movie Gallipoli (1981), he
decided to take a visit to Egypt to understand the area in more detail. One of his
investigations to took him to the top of the Great Pyramid where much graffiti is found
from WW1.
One of the engravings he found was the following “Frank and Arch - AIF 1915”, this
is how he came to name the main actors in the movie. He never knew who Frank and
Arch were.
My 4 Great uncles were in the Light Horse and went to Gallipoli. In one of my Uncles letters
he sent home in 1915, he describes a day he spent with one of his brothers in Mena
and how they climbed the Great Pyramid and engraved their names.
Their names were Frank and Arch Longworth
One can only assume that on reaching the top of the Pyramid they became forever entrenched in Australian
folklore and the name pieces together one of Australia’s greatest movies.
Aussie was under British command, remember this is Australia's first major military action as a nation. The last scenes you show doesn't include the two waves that went before with 100% kill rate. That is why the unnecessary third wave did not charge with weapons...instant death. They went over knowing they will die. WATCH the whole movie.
Love your reactions.
Chris
I’m pretty sure that it was 3 waves before, but I could be wrong.
Gallipoli has an unquantifiable emotional and historical place in Australia’s psyche. But it is bittersweet. Those poor bastards were thrown to the wolves by their English overlords 😢
I get you, but as a English working class Yorkshireman, I draw the line at calling the bastards in charge, both then and now, 'English'.
The House of Saxe-Coberg and Gotha and those that run the Financial City of London are anything but.
@@andrewdavidscott8731 I take your point as it has some validity. However … In 1915 Winston Churchill helped orchestrate the disastrous Dardanelles naval campaign and was also involved in the planning of the military landings on Gallipoli. Both saw large losses. Following the failure of these campaigns, Churchill was demoted and he resigned. And in WW2, he again gambled with the lives of Commonwealth troops (admittedly, and British too) with his equally disastrous “soft underbelly of Europe” campaign and the debacle that was the Battle of Greece & Crete.
Churchill out of guilt swerved on western front with Royal Scots Fusiliers
Which is also why many Australians still refer to the English at Gallipoli as "those pommy bastards". It did however, help establish the reputation of Aussies as brave and fearless.
The attack on The Nek was ordered to go ahead by an Australian, Colonel John Anthill.
Oxygene by Jean-Michel Jarre was first released in France in December 1976 - it's a fantastic piece of music (not "sound effects"). Troops were recruited and trained in their home state - the 10th Light Horse is a famous Western Australian regiment.
Regarding Archie's inner monologue (if you can call it that) at 6:18: he was a champion sprinter before joining the army - it's actually a motivational speech/Q&A that his coach would do with him before every race, as depicted in the film's opening scene: ruclips.net/video/ETOkWgAQozw/видео.html
Watching this scene with the added context puts it in a whole different light.
Directed by the great Peter Weir - best ever produced. His Picnic at Hanging Rock is a shimmering piece of filmmaking
At that time Aussie forces would be under control of the Brits, and in this case the Brits used the Aussies as cannon fodder, it was a total suicide mission, badly planned and many many Australians were unnecessarily sacrificed/killed. From my knowledge, after Gallipoli it was put into place that Aussie forces were never again to be under the command of a foreign army.
The Brits didn't use us as cannon fodder. Many more Brits died in the Gallipoli campaign than Aussies (approx. 21k v 8k). Even in the film the officer telling them to continue the attack was an Australian officer.
This is just another Anglophobic Mel GIbson hit piece. The British fought just as hard as the ANZACS in Gallipoli and sacrificed more casualties than there were ANZACS were present in total. A single English regiment alone (the Lancashire Fusiliers) famously won '6 VCs before Breakfast and the way this film implies that the British were lazy cowards 'drinking tea in Suvla Bay' is despicable.
POM, Potential officer material
Remember seeing this with my sister back in 1981 and it packed a punch. We sat in our chairs for ages before moving. As did others. 10th Light Horse raised in WA so fought together. Typical British thing. Lots of regiments we’re County based. Why many places lost their sons on same day.
The Lighthorse regiments were drawn from each individual state. The 10th were from WA, the 4th, my grandfather's regiment from Northern Victoria, the regiments came from:
New South Wales (6)
Queensland (5)
South Australia (3)
Tasmania (1)
Victoria (7)
Western Australia (1)
Only 15 ALH regiments served in the Great War.
4 NSW (1,6,7,12)
3 Vic (4,8,13)
2 QLD (2,5)
1 WA (10)
5 combined from two or more States. (3,9,11,14,15)
I’d love to see your reaction to the charge of the light horsemen scene, probably one of the greatest unheralded battle scenes in all of movie history, my Grandfather was a light horseman and his brother, they both went onto to fight at the battle of Mesen in Belgium, my grandfathers brother was killed next to him, he later went onto fight in WW2 as well, in 1956 he was hit and run in Seaford Victoria by a Volkswagen driver, he died 2 weeks later in hospital, the joke was always “ So a German got him in the end ?”, they were tough in those days not like the soft co%#s of today who take a week off work with a runny nose, how times have changed
Because my grandfather was at Gallipoli I did a lot of background research regarding the Australian campaign there. My grandfather joined up in Sydney in August 1914 and, along with many others at the time, was a volunteer and not a full-time army soldier. He was experienced with horses and became a driver in the artillery ie. someone who managed a team of horses to carry the small artillery guns and ammunition trains.
Many of the army groups were formed from each of the Australian states and they all went, along with thousands of horses, to Egypt on a convoy of ships which set off from Sydney and stopped to pick up groups from Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth. They were lucky to avoid a direct encounter with German cruisers in the Indian ocean, (the HMAS Sydney was fortunate enough to sink the SMS Emden on the way over).
The irony was that at Gallipoli they couldn't use the horses and the guns were too big to use on the beaches and many of the horses were left in Egypt. After landing in April 1915, he was there until December and was with the final army group to leave (from WA). He then went on to fight in France at Poziers and Amiens, until finally coming home in 1919 after marrying my grandmother while on leave in 1917 in England. The rest as they say, is history...
I haven't watched this yet but I don't quite understand how you can react to the end of a movie without taking the journey of the rest of it, and a knowledge of the characters and how they ended up where they were for that final scene. It's certainly still emotive and tragic but perhaps lacking some internal context to the film.
Kaitlyn, Thanks for your reaction; had you started your clip a scene or two earlier: you would have been aware that the attack started after a miscalculation with the preparatory artillery bombardment. The Australian troops then waited a few minutes before they left the trenches; which gave the defending troops enough time to get into position. Then three lines, or waves, of Aussies attacked but were 'shot to ground' within only a number of 'yards'. The fourth wave (the one shown in your clip) still went, even though they saw what happened to the first three waves. The officer that ordered them to 'push on' was not a British officer: he was an Australian Officer (in reality LtCol Antill) Lest We Forget,
It took place at a very narrow stretch of ground that was covered by many Turkish troops and they had several machine guns. The stretch of ground they were charging was about 50 metres wide at its widest with steep drop-offs on both flanks. The perfect killing ground. The first wave had been slaughtered almost as soon as they topped the trench. The second wave stepped up, clambered over the bodies and were also slaughtered. I believe this depicts the third or fourth wave, who very well knew that they had virtually no chance of survival, yet they, too, stepped up, obeyed orders and were also slaughtered.
Some films you should never see the ending of, this is one of those films, Gallipoli is an Australian CLASSIC. The other great film is Russell Crowe’s The Water Diviner, both are must watch
A classic Aussie movie, but not really historically accurate.
For me as an older Aussie Gallipoli and it's history is forever etched in my brain and being such a small country at the time had a huge impact on our Nation !
It's not just important for Australians, it's also important for Turks as well. As someone of Turkish heritage that grew up in Australia, Gallipoli has such a deep meaning for me too. A lot of Turks back then knew nothing about Australia, many of the Turkish soldiers were just poor peasants from rural villages many of whom were illiterate. All they knew was someone was coming to invade their homeland and there duty was fight for their home. Over time however the Turks grew a great bind and respect with the Anzacs which lasts till this day.
There is a story of Seyit Onbaşı(Corporal Seyit) who carried and loaded 275kg heavy gun shells on his back when the crane/lifting system was destroyed, ask any Turk about his story and they will tell you about it with great pride. After the war was over, he literally walked for days back to his village where he lived out his days as a simple peasant who would routinely head into the nearby forrest scavenging for firewood. The local authorities kept charging him and threatening to send him to prison when Atatürk heard of his story and went to his village to personally thank him and give him special permission to take as much firewood as he could for his home and family. He was even offered substantial cash as a reward for his efforts but he refused saying he was happy with his life and had no need for money.
@@tolgahk84 The Aussies , The Turks & The Kiwis we were just pawns in the game called War !
Another thing I thought I'd add about the Turkish side, just a bit of info not many people may be aware of, back during the Gallipoli campaign many of the Turks had no surnames, if you look at the names you will see name descriptions like "Ali, son of Omar, (Village Name); or; Mehmet son of cripple Salih(Village Name)" the reason behind this was due to the fact that until 1934 Turks did not use surnames, Atatürk introduced the Surname Law into the Turkish laws, he did a lot to modernize the country when he became the first President of the Republic of Turkey
@@davidmclauchlan8261 i totally agree, we were all used as pawns in the War, a few years before the war Oil was discovered in parts of Iraq and Syria which at the time were part of the Ottoman Empire. Britain and France wanted it badly and they knew the Ottoman Empire was in its last legs. The Ottomans had spent a lot of money on having two warships that were being built by Vickers in the UK at the time originally named the Sultan Osman and Reşadiye, Churchill decided to commandeer these ships taking possession of them for the British Naval Fleet, the Ottomans weren't even in the war at the time this happened. It caused a great deal of mistrust among the Ottomans regarding the British, then the incident happened where two German warships being chased by the British came into Istanbul where they were given safe harborage, a few days later the German ships fully crewed German sailors left into the Black sea under a false Turkish flag and bombed Russian ports which forced the Ottomans into the war in the German side.
Everything going on was just one big game called War for the world powers at the time.
A nation defining event. my grandfather was a medical orderly on a hospital ship off shore, i believe.
after this go read One Day of the Year by Alan Seymour.
Both world wars brought home a generation of men suffering from PTSD. Then we had Vietnam.
Wars are hard. They happen, but for Australians and Americans they mostly happen overseas.
Big topic.
My great uncle was at Gallipoli. He arrived as private left as sergeant. He went to Palestine then onto France and the western front. He was wounded five times got two MM's. He was captured at Bullecourt in a night action in 1917 rescuing some wounded soldiers. He was an RSM by then. He finished the war as WOII and left the army in 1922. His brother was killed on the Somme in 1916, he was 19yrs old.
All Wars Are Unessessary.
Bless All who Served & Died.
Unfortunately while people live on this planet wars will be fought, in most instance one country defending itself against the attack of another country that wants to move in an take over the resources of that country.
Wars are Generated for Profit. The SAME Globalists have been Funding BOTH SIDES of All Wars since WW1.
WIN WIN, they never lose and make HUGE Profits. $$$$$ from Death.
Our soldiers Died for These BASTARDS Bank
Accounts.
Peter Weir was the (Australian) Director, He also directed Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975) his breakout film and which resurrected the Australian Film industry, The Last Wave, The Year of Living Dangerously, Witness, Mosquito Coast, The Truman Show, Master and Commander, Dead Poets Society, Green Card, Fearless, and The Way Back.
The attack shown actually happened and the unit that attacked was almost wiped out! The unit was a 'Light Horse' unit ( Mounted Infantry ), today they would be transported by armoured personal carriers instead of horses as they were then!
Victoria Cross connection. The slaughter of the men of the 8th Light Horse Regiment at the Nek 7th August 1915 led to the appointment of a Victoria Cross recipient as the new CO 8th Light Horse to replace Lt Col Alex White killed in action in the first line of charging light horsemen. Soon after the Battle of the Nek, Capt Leslie Maygar VC DSO, then an officer of the 4th Light Horse Regiment (featured in the movie Lighthorsemen), was transferred to the 8th Light Horse as the new CO and promoted to Lt Col. In 1917, Leslie died of wounds the day after the Charge at Beersheba during an operation to amputate his mangled arm caused by an aerial bomb explosion dropped from a German aircraft.
Battle of the Nek, Count down of the battle:-
6th August 1915 11.30pm , 4 1/2 hour naval and artillery bombardment of Turkish trenches commences at the rate of one round per gun every five minutes, this rate is increased at 04.00am to a 'normal' rate of fire.
7th August 1915, 0400 - 0430am Naval and artillery intensify bombardment rate of Turkish trenches close to the Nek.
0430am Bombardment ceases. In spite of what is portrayed in the movie, there is no 7 minute gap between end of bombardment and the first charge mentioned in any of the post battle reports by senior officers of any of the units involved in the battle to Brigade HQ. Post battle report by 8th Light Horse senior surviving officer, Maj Deeble, states the bombardment ceased at 0430am and the first charge commenced at 0430am.
04.30am 1st line under command Lt Col White 8th LH charge.
04.32am 2nd line under command Maj Deeble 8th LH charge.
04.34am 3rd line under command Maj Todd 10LH hold their positions as Maj Todd seeks fresh orders due to the slaughter. He told to advance at once.
04.40am 3rd line under command Maj. Todd 10 LH charge
04.42/04.45am 4th Line under command Maj Scott 10 LH charge
The 5th and 6th lines waiting in the trenches for their turn to charge (British soldiers of the Cheshire Regt) are ordered to stay in their positions pending an evaluation of the battle and new orders.
Approx 05.53am dawn is breaking over the Dardanelles and Gallipoli Peninsula.
06.05 - 06.30 battle called off by Brigadier General Hughes GOC 3rd Light Horse Brigade.
9th Light Horse ordered to adopt fire positions in front trenches in case of counter attack. Cheshires ordered to withdraw and assist Royal Welsh Fusiliers several metres below in Monash Gully.
Both Lt Col Maygar and Lt Col White are commemorated in Victoria - Alex White lived at 11 Cole St Elsternwick Victoria and at the beach end of that street and at Brighton Cemetery, there are bronze plaques laid in his honour. Leslie Maygar VC has a hill named in his honour south of Euroa Victoria on the Hume Freeway - Maygar's Hill just north of Tubbs Hill (also named after a Gallipoli Victoria Cross recipient. Lt Fred Tubb a local farmer). At Euroa, there are three bronze statues to local Victoria Cross recipients including Leslie Maygar. These are adjacent the RSL Sub Branch in Kirkland Ave Euroa. Keith Payne VC attended the unveiling of these statues. Lt Col Maygar VC, Lt Tubb VC and Cpl Alex Burton VC (KIA Battle of Lone Pine, Gallipoli). Alex Burton's family still live in Euroa and own Burton Stores, a local grocery store in the main street.
Peter Weir did a great job with this movie. Sure there are some historical inaccuracies but I don't want to begrudge Peter his directors licence. BTW, if you would like to view the 8th Light Horse Regt Guidon (sacred battle flag emblazoned with Battle Honours, this flag is available for public viewing in the Crypt at the Shrine of Rembrance, St Kilda Rd Southbank, Melbourne. There is an excellent and faithful copy in the museum of the 8/13 Victorian Mounted Rifles located at Simpson Barracks, Watsonia Melbourne. Both have the Battle Honour 'Gallipoli' hand embroidered onto the flag. Thank you for taking the time to to read my comment.
I was only a kid when this came out, loved it and alongside The Lighthorse movie, made us respect our grand fathers, and great grandfather even more than we already did.
I did like the Gallipoli (TV Mini Series 2015) too, which shows another extension of the legends.
Kaitlyn,the First World War was our costliest conflict , out of a population of 5 million , 62000 were killed ,156000 were wounded, gassed or made prisoner. Over 400,000 enlisted which means nearly half were either killed or incapacitated. While many British officers were also affected , it was not our war and Kitchener and Churchill tended to regard Commonwealth soldiers as cannon fodder. It is interesting to compare these figures with the Vietnam War where the USA had a population of over 200million and losses of 58000. This is not to minimise the tragedy of Vietnamand what it meant to American families but perhaps a big brother being more concerned with a smaller one
And in WW2, Australia with a population of 7 million people had one million people servicing over the course of the war. I think that I had like 7 or 8 great uncles and one uncle who fought in that war. I don't know how many of my great great uncles fought in WW1.
Poisar France at the western front where most Aussies had casualties than any other battle of the war but it ended with an Australian victory.
Yes 416.000 Australians actually fought in the great war. 38.7% of the men population of the country. We lucky we still here.
For a country who settlers was banished from the old country for majority of political rebellions sure made a huge sacrifice to a country that said you couldn't return home
In what way did the British government view "colonials" as cannon fodder compared to British soldiers? It should also be pointed out that every single Australian soldier was a volunteer, unlike the British Army which included conscripts after 1916. Unlike Australia, there was no plebiscite giving the British people the choice to introduce conscription, they just imposed it anyway, so who was really treated like cannon fodder?
It was your war there was a great feeling of affinity between
GB and Australia back then and thousands volunteered to save the Mother Country. You are spouting modern attitudes to events of more than a century ago. Read proper history.
Oh boy, you need to watch the whole film, it's outstanding and an absolute tragedy. Sadly, it's a true story, well the Battle is, Battle of the Nek.
My grandfather was in The charge at The Nek, 1st or 2nd wave, not quite sure - 8th Light Horse - and survived. Lucky for that or mum wouldn't be here, nor me. Thank you for your interest.
John Blake, the runner was an up and coming actor but sadly suffered serious head injuries in a car accident returning from filming The Light Horsemen in northern SA not long after this was released.
The runner was Mel Gibson. Jon Blake wasn't in this movie. They did look similar and I must admit that I have mistaken the two in the past.
That wasn’t Jon Blake it was Mel Gibson.. you have confused them with one another… 🧐
Jon Blake finally got to see the film 25 years later.. ruclips.net/video/dwHl-F74qf4/видео.html
@@aussiekat6379 Yeah I realised that after checking. Thanks for pointing it out.
Jon Blake remained in a vegetive state after the accident in Port Augusta for 25 years and passed in 2011. He was actually touted to be the next Mel Gibson.
@@dramoth64 Thanks👍🏽
Look Breaker Morant in the war against the Boars.
Gallipoli was the first reason we, as Aussies hate Winston Churchill, once voted in pommyland as the most outstanding Brit ever.
The Dardanelles campaign was his first attempt to sacrifice ‘Colonials’, the neglect of Singapore in 1942 was entirely his responsibility.
One Actor, John Blake, an outstanding new talent, had a tragic car accident before filming ended, leaving him a vegetable.
This scene, based on absolute reality, is the day Western Australia lost about a quarter of it’s entire population of young men.
I often wonder how our Nation would look if over 60,000 lots of fertilisers in Army boots had been here, alive, and still building this Nation, instead of making foreign fields green.
They shall never grow old,
As we who are left go old,
Age shall not weary them,
Nor the years condemn,
At the going down of the Sun,
And in the Morning,
We shall remember them,
Lest we forget.
Lest We Forget
Yes John Blake was injured when The Light horseman ended filming.. such a tragic loss for him and family he would been an amazing actor and given American a run for their money..
21k Brits died in the Gallipoli campaign, 8k or so of us Aussies. As for the neglect of Singapore, you might have read that Britain was up to its eyeballs in Nazis at the time. Nice chip on your shoulder.
I don't hate Churchill
It wasn't church Hill even though it was badly planned. The English genral in command there that eventually was replaced was incompetent and screwed up the entire battle. When it was too heavily defended. The English sent warships and failed several months before sending in the land forces. The Turkish knew we was comming. They had their entire nation there ready. It was never going to work.
Thanks Katlin for checking out the end of this movie you do know that you can learn so much about Australia by watching Australian films and movies
inscription On a monument ANZAC Cove Turkey is a quote attributed to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk the first President of the Republic of Turkey. It reads:
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives ... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours ... You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well. Atatürk, 1934
The Gallipoli campaign is in the song, " And the Band played waltzinf Matilda". My Grandfather lost one of his legs and ruined lungs in Ypres. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
I always cry when I hear that song.
In both wars units were raised in each state as suggested in this scene. It wasn't segregation just the distances - you wouldn't send a Perth both clean across the country to join an infantry battalion rather than add him to the one raised in Perth. Same as USA, Boston is a long way from San Diego.
Why would you think watching the last scene will give you a good understanding, not realising the weight of the scene, the character’s arcs, and the poignancy of Mel Gibson’s race to the front.
That is for people that have seen the film, not someone to get an understanding of the whole film.
What a pointless and stupid exercise!
It’s probably been 20 years alive I’ve seen the entire movie, and this brought me to tears.
But it brought me to tears because I knew the story of two young Aussie sprinters who join up. I know the significance of Archie’s medals (left hanging from his bayonet in the side of a trench), I know of Frank and Archie’s journey to enlist. I know the motivational chant that Archie and his uncle (and running coach) used to use.
I’m n other words, watch the movie. I hate to contradict you but I think you made a mistake watching this first. Not a big surprise be to be sure, you will still love the movie. But you won’t have any questions.
Not sound effects.
Jean Michele Jarre.
Musical piece called oxygene......
You need to watch the whole movie, it's brilliant. Also watch "The Lighthorsemen".
This film was directed by Peter Weir the same director behind Dead Poets Society. Mel Gibson made his directorial debut in 1993 with the film The Man Without a Face. He would back that up with Braveheart in 1995. If you want to know the history of Australia then watch the 8 part series called ‘Australia, The Story of Us’ the episodes are Ep. 01 Worlds Collide, Ep. 02 Break Out, Ep. 03 Fair Go, Ep. 04 New Nation at War, Ep. 05 Hard Roads to Glory, Ep. 06 Risky Business, Ep. 07 Revolution, Ep. 08 New Frontiers. The series is narrated by Richard Roxburgh.
WW1 it was still believed that troops from the same region would bond better, it was also part of British tradition to raise troops from a specific region. Note the US did this during their civil war too.
What you also missed from the scene was they did not have bullets it was a traditional bayonet charge and this was the 3rd wave.
The same was also done in WWII
Major John antill who was in temporary command of that lighthorse brigade (3rd ) at the time made the decision to continue with the attacks. He was an Australian officer At the same time an attack by the 1st light horse regiment near German officers trench was cancelled after their first line of 50 men had 49 killed or wounded without making the Turkish trench.
Both attacks were against fortified positions up hill. The attacks were to coincide with attacks by the 4th infantry brigade and new Zealanders in the hills above , that fighting was a even bigger disaster than the attacks at the nek.
The best chance we had was on the morning of the initial landing when we held the position for a few hours before the Australian forces there were overwhelmed by Turkish counter-attacks.
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I lost 3 ancestors in the awfully horrible Gallipoli canpaign, all between 18-23. The British used the Australians as cannon fodder to distract the turks. It wasnt just Western Australia involved, it was all Australia. My relatives were from Victoria.
I recommend you going to the Australian War Memorial for a visit in Canberra ( only a 3 hour drive), then you may get a better insight to Australians at war.
The infantry battalions and light horse regiments recruited men from their own states throughout the war. Only specialty units, such as the artillery, medical corps and engineers, drew men from all over Australia. My grandfather was in the Light Horse and fought at Beesheba. The charge of the 4th Australian Light Horse at Beersheba late in the afternoon of 31 October 1917, is remembered as the last great cavalry charge. My mother once told me that as a young girl she remembers asking him why he had no hair on his head. He told her the Turks shot it off. Good reply I thought, but you can imagine how scary it must have been charging on a horse towards the enemy's lines with bullets whizzing past your head.
Mel Gibson was just a young actor back then. He did not make the movie, Peter Weir made it.
They knew they were already dead. The mission ahead would make it certain so they were 'making peace with themselves' and their impending doom. The Brits (according to written history) didn't value the live of Australians as much as Brit lives. Then again, war was different in those days. A fantastic movie. When you watch it from the start you'll understand what the 'meaning' of all the running meant. And the relationship between Gibsons and Lees characters through the film.
Mel Gibson was Frank Dunne. A very good actor. As for connection, I had a Grand Father, his name was Herbert Francis Dunne. He preferred to be known as Frank Dunne, and he served in WW2, he was in PNG. I never met him as he had already passed before I came about.
Mark Lee is my 3rd cousin's son. :) All of the family is in film, drama, music.
Gallipoli is the last battle where Australians were under the command of British officers. The British landed the Australians and Kiwi's in the wrong place originally, and we almost made it across the pennisular and cut the Dardanelles. This battle was a massacre. The British made so many mistakes, and the Aussies and the Kiwi's paid the price.
The Battle of Bersheba from later on in the war shows what Aussies and Kiwis can do under our own commanders. The movie for that is The Lighthorsemen with Jon Blake in the lead role. It was to be his breakout movie, but he was seriously injured in a car accident on his way home from filming and never acted again because of a TBI suffered in the accident. You can find the final scene of The Lighthorsemen here on RUclips as well.
We were still under command of British generals in France. And many of our Australian generals were as inept as the British generals. We didn't even come close to making the objectives on the day of the landing due to the covering force 3 brigade not being able to complete their job because of their commanding officer Sinclair maclagan ( he was Scottish).
Apart from some 10th battalion scouts who came within sight of third or gun Ridge most of our blokes barely got to 2nd ridge.
Sinclair maclagan sent units in the complete opposite direction of where they had been supposed to go. He was worried about being attacked from gabe tepe near lone pine. They couldn't land closer to gabe tepe due to wire entanglements in the water that would have stopped the boats getting to shore. At the time of the landing 250 Turks and four artillery pieces were covering the entire area . Had the covering force been allowed to do their job and go for the objectives they might have had a chance they were ordered to stop and dig in instead and that was before 9 o'clock that morning by this stage roughly 4000 Turks were advancing across gun Ridge to put in counter-attacks.
That music is a piece called Adagio a musial term for Slow,Funereal. Only dang mistake I made in my theory classes. Appropriate to the ending of a sad story. Yes they were from all over Australia, this is 1915. Why not watch the movie first to understand all the inferences here? Gallipoli was terrible for all concerned.
8,000 Aussies and over 70,000 Turks. There's a lot of humour in it but a very sad movie. I met Mark Lee back in the 80s.
The film is hard on the British. It would have been a standard military tactic to create a diversion while landing troops in a nother sector. The supporting artillery fired too early and poor intelligence stated that the first couple of waves had met with some success (sort of covered in the film by the officer stating that marker flag had been seen). The mistakes were due to a military structure, both British and Australian still learning the ropes, it wasn't a malicious decision by the British to sacrifice Australian soldiers. Training and equipping soldiers was far too expensive and time consuming for them to be thrown away, the horrible slaughters of the First World War were mostly due to generals struggling to find ways to adapt to industrialised warfare
If you have not already please watch the film,the scene you showed encompassed the futility of men against a wall of lead,it also showed the standard of men and their loyalty to each other and there sworn duty.They knew they would die so why did they do it ? You can't ask them; there gone ,but you can ask "Do I honour and appreciate what they did ? where would I be now if they had not protected our future and how great there lives could have been,the children never born" Over two hundred dead in a space of half a tennis court. One action in countless others They gave there tomorrow for our today. Never forget.
Kaitlyn, I realize that you posted this video months ago but hopefully you will read this.
If you truly want to know what it was like to be a soldier at Gallipoli - Turkish or allied - I'd recommend the two part documentary Gallipoli (2005) made by the Turkish director Tolga Örnek.
He uses diaries and letters home to provide a fairly complete picture of the experiences of individual soldiers on both sides - from their pre-war lives onward.
There is commentary from noted historians, voice overs from Jeremy Irons and Sam Neill and some quite realistic re-enactments.
It was an horrific experience and many of the details are hard to accept, e.g. soldiers drowning in latrines because they are too weak to climb out; attacking entrenched Turkish troops (with machine guns) over an area the size of a tennis court at the Nek.
I lasted a minute twenty seven.
No, watching the last scene of a film could or will ruin it, especially this one, even though it contains fallen soldiers.
And, it may also prevent you from making really stupid comments about the soundtrack.
I was a 24 year old strapping male who saw this at a theatre. I cried like a baby at this ending.
With Australia being so big, and sparsely populated, it wasn’t practical to heard conscripts and volunteers thousands of miles to train together in a massive training facility as big as a city.
It was normal to train volunteers as a unit , together as a local unit, which would stay together or die together.
You are right about the ending having more impact if you watch the whole movie.
Although unknown at the time, Mark Lea was the star .
Mel Gibson was the big name star, but in the lessor role.
Ironically, Mel went on to become an even bigger International star.
Mark Lea could not find employment in either the movie industry , theatre or TV.
He ended up busking in the street with his guitar to survive.
There were no Australian conscripts in World War 1. Do you your homework. There were two referenda held on the subject, pushed by the then Australian prime Minister, Billy Hughes, a pathetic little Welshman, but they were both defeated. Dennis Moore.
You should watch 'The Odd Angry Shot' about the Australian SASR in Vietnam, not like any American Vietnam movie. Its on RUclips.
I personally know the gentleman, he retired a Colonel in the 80's who Graham Kennedy's character was based on. Fictional accounts based on true events.
He was also the one who went against rank to secure needed reinforcements that saved a hell of a lot of guys at Long Tan.
He's an exceptionally modest and humble elderly gentleman now but even after the military he was pushing boundaries with adventure travel.
Australia: 1915 population 4.9 million, 2.55 million males and 50,000 served in the Gallipoli theatre , 5482 killed in action, 2012 died of wounds, 665 died of disease, total deaths 8159, 17,924 wounded, 70 prisoners of war. What needs to be understood which is embedded in the movie was the culture of some British military officers and their backgrounds before being commissioned as officers whilst having tea and biscuits in the safe zone, it was about honour and position above all as it was in the imperial begone era. Australia shortly after became independent of British command and direction and worked cohesively with allies at Australian command and control.
Your last statement was wrong AustrsliNs WERE under Britsh control Haig was the C in C for crying out loud. Your highest officer was a Lt General and you only had a corps. The war would have still been won without the Aussies but not without Great Britain. Think about it.
In both world wars, units were raised by states 10th Light Horse is an Army Reserve unit as are 11th 16th and 28 Battalions
You should also see the mini-series ANZAC Girls (2014) - about the Australian and New Zealand Army Nurses, who volunteered for forward aid posts and hospitals in the Greek islands, Egypt and France.
A very young Mel Gibson stars in this with his co-star Mark Lee as Archie & Mel as Frank Dunn - 2 good mates who were racing (running champions) who went to Gallipoli as great mates - alot of great aussie actors are included in the cast too. Mel Gibson's role is that of a Mesenger or Runner as communications were only field telephones - connected by a cable.
These lighthorse guys went over the top at a spot called "The Nek". Thos and other attacks, by Aussies, Kiwis, Brits and Indians were intended th draw attention away from British landings at Suvla Bay. The artillery bombardmenr, through a timing error had ceased a minute and a half early, giving the Turkish defenders plenty of time to prepare and first two attacks had literally been mown down before the Turkish trenches, which were probably not even 50 meters away. Even the turkish soldiers were calling out for the Aussie to stop coming because it was pointless murder. Communcation issues led the third wave going over ( as seen in the clip). In the space of about 15 minutes, 372 young Australian med were killed and 168 wounded on a patch of ground not much bigger than a tennis court! Sorry to carry on so long.
The director Peter weir also made Truman show
Watch The Odd Angry Shot from 1980. Another poignant Aussie war movie. Cheers Big Ears. 😎🇦🇺👍🏻
You should really watch the full movie. You don't get the emotional response to the dialogue with some of the scene. It builds to a crescendo that last scene. Saw it in a packed cinema when it came out & there was a strange awe in the cinema at the end where you felt like clapping & crying at the same time.
In the early stages of WW1 the English had a big problem with Townships losing a large percentage of their Men, never to return, due to enlistment putting them in the same Units.
This was a battle called "The Nek" in which the Australian Lighthorse got mauled by the Turks.
You’re everything we’ve come to understand and expect from North America, bless.
They didn't even make it 10 meters in to No Man's Land. I have a vague recollection of a turkish soldier saying something along the likes of, "It wasn't a war, it was a slaughter"
Lest we forget
With the massive numbers of enlistments there was often enough men from one large town or shire area to form one or more new battalions with the new recruits from this town or area forming the bulk of the enlisted men and also most of the officer corp. One could be a bank manager one day at the local bank and a captain or major in charge of an infantry company the next. One could have been a gun stockman before enlistment and because of the respect the other recruits showed you might be promoted to a corporal in charge of a ten man squad within a week or two of recruit training. At Gallipoli at the beginning there was generally a fairly close former asscoiation of soldiers with each other from their place of enlistment but by the end of the campaign and further on into the trench warfare of France that was being lost as the losses were so high and the replacements could have come from anywhere in Australia. Those relatively few who went ashore at Gallipoli and eventually left the trenches in France alive and with most of the parts of their bodies still attached in 1918 would have been in combat almost continuosly for nearly four long years. No one should have expected them to be the same men coming back as they were when first enlisted.
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It’s been years since I’ve seen this movie, but I’m pretty sure the last scene is the battle of the Nek
Respect the sound track, it was deliberately modern and iconic by Jean-Michel Jarre
Not just state by state but whole towns formed units and could be wiped out in these battles.
that ending gets me every time
Two movies Aussies watch and afterwards want to punch the first Englishman they meet - Gallipoli and Breaker Morant.
Had to do an essay on this movie in school, I think 8th grade, we got extra marks for noting the symbolism of the black and red credits,
Fixing wires for communications so they don't need to use Runners.
love ya vids kaitlyn, two othe good movies are 40.000 horseman ,and the lighthorseman
This scene if you haven't watched the whole movie loses so much meaning, you really need to watch the whole movie for it to have the proper impact, and it's a really important part of Australia's cultural identity and a sensitive subject. It's 3 days until ANZAC day, maybe watch it that day.
It doesn’t seem like anyones explained it.
The anzacs were under British command during ww1.
They would wait in the trench’s until the order came to attack to which they just ran at the Turks in their trench.
Here, yes, the British commander deliberately killed those aussies so the British could come ashore.
The Aussie general gave orders to Mel Gibson (comms were down) to halt the attack but he only just didn’t make it.
This is why it’s so powerful, a second or two could have saved them.
Its utter nonsense. Col Robinson who in the movie has been given an upper class English accent and therefore implied to be English, is based on Col John Antill, who was very much an Australian, as was his superior Major General Frederick Hughes, a former militia officer with no prior military experience. Most historians place most of the blame for the debacle at the Nek firmly at their feet. Antill refused Lt Col Noel Brazier's request to call off the 4th wave, and it went ahead.
The 3rd Light Horse Brigade was not attacking in support of the 'tea drinking British' at Suvla bay but of the New Zealand Expeditionary Force's attack at Sari Bair, and far from 'drinking tea' on the beach, The British were suffering extremely heavy casualties, eventually suffering 21,000 of them, which is more than 2/3 of the entire number of ANZACs who fought at Gallipoli. This entire film is a despicable slander that portrays the British as effete, useless cowards, when they most certainly were not. The 1st Battalion of the Lancashire Fusiliers alone, who numbered no more than a thousand men, won "6 VCs before breakfast" at Cape Helles, only 1 less than the 7 VC's won by the entirety of the 30,000 ANZACs who served at Gallipoli.
I don't deny the bravery of the ANZACs at Gallipoli but it seems to be taught in Australia in a way that shits on the British who did not fight any less hard or bravely and also suffered massive casualties.
@@TheThundertaker wouldn’t happen to be a Brit would you?
Correct - Britain thought that the ANZACs were just uncouth loudmouth louts and sent them into battle against all odds - it is interesting that after this, Australia started to follow their own leaders and less of the other countries...
The Tenth Lighthouse. The best of the best.
Back in those days, army units were raised in each state. So each unit was made up of men from the same state.
I think seeing the last scene WILL ruin this movie.
Unless you are an Australian or a New Zealander you won't get the relevance of the Gallipoli Campaign. It's hard-wired into the psyche of Australians & New Zealanders. Think of this as being Australia & New Zealand's Gettysburg or Omaha Beach.
Yeah that’s something like what happened way too many died for nothing
You should have watched the whole move first. Then you understand the whole movie
This movie take place in 1915, not 1916.
The soldiers from the other states had already gone into eternity
The 10 th light horse regt ceased to exist because major Antil was too pedantic to think for himself.
Oh man why would you watch the ending of the movie not having seen the rest? It’s such a heartbreaking ending but you need to work your way up to it