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Top tip , book a hotel room now. 6 hrs on a bike and a full day of activity. Just nuts at any age.
I ride 12 hours non-stop on a sportbike, yeah I can tell.
Wimp! 😳
Seriously, I'm 63 and on the Ninja 1000SX on my recent trip across France we had days where we covered 250 miles easily.
We did stop roughly every 90 minutes for a quick comfort break, drinks, food and refuelling for those on our trip with less fuel range, but 3 to 4 hours with a stop on the way isn't a problem with the right bike.
We purchased both this year - the GSX-GT+ in June and the Ninja 1000 in September. The Ninja sits a bit lower and is primarily my wife’s ride but I also love it. The Suzuki is slightly more comfortable. Honestly, they have slightly different characters but both are very capable. The electronics work well on both. The switch gear is a little more intuitive on the Ninja but after a while it’ll all be second nature to use them. You won’t go wrong with either bike
Thanks so much Joe! Getting feedback like this from someone who owns both is invaluable. I am surprised to hear you find the Suzuki more comfortable I would've predicted the opposite. I hope the situation changes in Australia soon and we can get the opportunity to test ride these bikes again.
Almost every review I read said the Ninja seat was higher but my wife and I both find it lower. Maybe it’s the shape or the way the suspension preloads but we both find it lower. Consequently the seat to peg distance is a bit less than on the Suzuki. The Ninja feels more compact; it feels more like you are down deeper behind the tank, if that makes any sense. But honestly I love both of them.
which one has better wind protection
More buffet on the Suzuki but rider height is a big factor. Adjustable windscreen on the Ninja helps.
Enjoyed watching your video. I too went through a selection process looking at every manufacturer, with multiple comparison spreadsheets, before purchasing my 1000 SX. The 2023 model fits me perfectly. I have been on several cross-country trips here in the US since, and have found it comfortable and a perfect fit for me. Did not get the panniers to save some costs, but rather went with a tank-bag and a tail-bag that do me well. The only issue that I have had is with my 58-year-old body staying in one position for multiple hours on my trips. Other than that, I have immensely enjoyed the torque, power, and speed. Enjoy the video please keep them coming. Subscribed!!
I am 30. I owned a VFR 800 RC46 for a few years, that bike was a great all rounder, and can't be beat for the price. Touring with the wife, fully loaded with top case and side panniers, and also have some fun alone if need be and enjoy the V4 grunt.
Having more budget and more money to spend, I bought a Ninja 1000 sx last month. I dearly miss the V4 sound but am glad with all the rest that are big improvements compared to the VFR. Cruise control, all electronic helps, comfort, riding position, nimbleness.. etc..
Only thing which seems absolutely crazy to me, is that the rear subframe is attached by only 4 bolts and is very fragile. Mine has some play and I am in the process of improving the rigidity of it (titanium bolts instead of shitty quality OEM ones). Kawasaki did not homologate the usage of top case + side panniers for this bike, which seems crazy for a Sport GT bike ?!
I am now having second thoughts about this bike because of this.
I would so love Triumph to release an evolution of the Sprint ST, with the speed triple engine.
I would so love Yamaha to release a sport GT with the CP4 engine.
I would so love Aprilia to release a sport GT with the V4 engine..
I do not like the looks of trails bike like the MT or GS, Multistrada etc.. Sport GT is the way to go for me and I hope that brands realize that there's a clear demand for them. Kawasaki and Suzuki are alone on this segment pretty much. The Ducati Supersport 950 could be a competitor but it's not due to poor duo riding capabilities and lack of cruise control (??), plus no possibility for top case either.
Hi I'm 6ft1, just got my ninja 1000sx tourer which comes with panniers, heated grips and taller screen which has 4 adjustment angles. Had rad guard, frame sliders, satnav bracket, akrapovic end can and side stand shoe fitted. For me doing all day rides this bike is really smooth and comfortable, quick shifter and cruise control are great. Does not bother me but no centre stand as I bought anABBA stand for chain maintenance. Only negative is lights on dip beam are not good (high beam great). Here in uk I had to wait 5 months to get bike after test ride and deposit paid, my opinion you would not be disappointed with this bike
Awesome! Thanks very much Chris!
Thanks for review. I just love my 2023 model Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX and with a few mods such as Acrapovic exhaust system and no catalytic converter plus a few other tweaks it goes very well and I’ve toured with it with panniers I bought and re-keyed those to bike key myself (easy to do) and with long rides each day of about 400 to 500km each daily ride, the bike is comfortable and no back ache at all.
Have my 2020SX since March 2020 and I'm quite exited with it. Longest trip was around 800km a single day and it feels good for a long trip to me.
I have the SX bought, here in Germany called “Tourer Version”, with panniers, big windshield, heat grips and navigation holder. I think, this is what you're searching for.
Just for checking what it is and if I need another upgrade, I had a test ride on a GSX-GT. Most important benefit to me from the SX, compared to the GT is the motor characteristics.
You can drive the SX just stepping into 6th gear and drive down to 40km/h and the SX still provides some power. It is not feeling like the SX is suffering somehow on low RPM. You can chill the road so good with the SX staying in a legal range, but with reasonable power on each situation. Draft from 60-110km/h in 6th gear feels really fast and powerful for me. Just if you step down some gears for fun, you can really burn the street. I check it once for my interest with GPS: I reached GPS200km/h in less more than 12s. An I’m really not a professional biker with a personal weight of 97kg. SX feels like you own two bikes in one SX and you can just use it as your daily mood and feeling is.
The GT has completely different character. It is asking all time for more RPM, "nothing" happens on low RPM compared to the SX. For the same draft with the GT, you must step minimum one gear down compared to the SX.
Knee angle feels wider on the SX, more comfortable seat and the lights felling far better for me on the SX (at least I do not like one side only low beam optics on a bike, if the light is not central).
This is only my personal feeling and I’ll stay with my SX. Come to Gemany and I'll give you a test ride on mine:-)
Thanks very much Michael! This is great feedback! It sounds like the SX will definitely suit my riding style better, I prefer torque over horsepower. I'd love to come to Germany to test ride your bike! :) Maybe one day. I spoke to a local Kawasaki dealer recently who might be making a 2023 1000SX available for test rides when they become available here. Fingers crossed that will happen.
Been looking at both those bikes for similar reasons since the 1st of the year. Every video and person I've talked to says it really comes down to fit/finish (favors Kawasaki) and that IMU, currently only availble on the Kawasaki. The tough part of course is availablity. If you can hold out I think you'd end up liking the Kawasaki better.
Well, just to give the Kawi 900 Classic a vote, my wife and I spent about 30,000 miles on it. It's very comfortable, fast enough, the price is good and ours never gave a bit of trouble. If you go old-style cruiser, then you can't go wrong here.
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I had an fjr found it heavy and cumbersome at low speed dated now. Try the 22 SX it’s a big upgrade all round, it is plush comfortable stable and a sweet engine. Bars are midway as you say a slight cantor forward. The gsx is great value for money the seat is comfortable aswell as pillion. Excellent K5 chassis. Back to back the SX is up another level. You can feel where the extra money was spent.
Thanks Sussex Biker, another solid 1000SX recommendation. The 22 1000SX is a distinct firm contender for me. I just need to get a test ride, I'll keep trying.
Bought a '22 1KSX a couple of months ago. I have around 2K miles on it. FANTASTIC bike! I bought it sight unseen, and found it SO easy to ride from day one. I HATED the seat, however, as it seemed to tilt me into the tank, and wasn't super comfy. I actually ordered a Sargent seat, but had to send it back. Sargent seats will NOT fit if you have the OEM rear seat cowl. The good news is the seat really has broken in nicely, and is now quite comfortable, with none of the forward sliding sensation. I'm sure you'll be happy either way!
Cheers from Vermont!
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I highly considered both bikes, but went with the Suzuki in the end. You wouldn't/shouldn't make a decision on one having more HP or torque, both have plenty. The Suzuki has extremely short gears, which some people might not like since you have to get used to the engine seemingly wanting another gear while cruising down the freeway at 80 mph. But oh my is the drivetrain on this bike a hoot! The quick shifter is far and away the best unit I've ever used! You do NOT have to be accelerating for the QS to work flawlessly; my Multistrada wouldn't even shift! While two up riding you can pull away and shift through the gears where your pillion won't even know your shifting! The gear changing reminds me of my old RM 125 days; ya know the ole 'Wah Wah Wah" where pitch of the engine doesn't even change. Sheesh, this engine does that! It doesn't care what RPM you run it at either, I've been cruising along at 35 in 5th and no chugging when you accelerate. And then wind her out, and oh my does that 4 cylinder sing! Maybe not an R1 sound, but it rev's really quickly and sounds really good. And don't forget the TFT display with the bluetooth connection to your phone; works like Apple Car Play where 90% of the screen changes to a map screen, really nice. And looks wise, the Suzuki is nicely understated yet powerful. The Kawi is too "Boy Racer" in my opinion, but still way better looking than an Adventure bike like a GS or Africa Twin.
Thanks so much for the Suzuki insights! Always best hearing from someone who actually owns one, super useful information, thank you.
I like and bought the versys 1000, I think it's really comfy great wind protection..
It's not a slouch having the ninja 1000's engine detuned to 120hp. Still quite a bit of get up and go. The insurance is a while lot cheaper than the ninja too. It has all the electronics the ninja has.
The carrying capacity is greater than a new goldwing's.
I am just north of 50. I traded my old vfr800 for the 22 Kawasaki sx this spring. I love it. Like really love it. It is so refined and easy to ride. Faster than you would ever need in Canada. I put nearly 6000 on it since May never got sore no complaints.
Thanks for sharing your owner feedback Robert! So the seat is good for a few hours of riding? I've heard conflicting reports.
@@BikesILike for me I am good for a day. The vfr maybe 2 hours then the rest of the day is hell I would wear padded biker shorts under my jeans on the VFR and there's no need on the Kawasaki. I did want to get the optional gel seat but it's not compatible with the solo seat cover. It turns out I didn't need it
@@RobertPCole Wow that's great to hear, thanks Robert. The comfort seat would've been on my list but now I'd try the stock seat first before going the comfort seat route. I wish I could test ride a 1000SX here in Australia.
I bought a Ninja 1000SX 10 months ago and have ridden it for shopping, local rides, short and long trips in the UK, camping and also across France for an Alpine camping trip last month.
As I'm only 5ft 7in (1.7m) tall and with short legs I had a lowering kit fitted and the seat re-sculpted, so I can now get both feet down without losing any comfort.
Brilliant handling and lovely engine and good fuel range of over 200 miles I a trip (over 10 miles / litre) .
Negatives :
1. No centre stand!
That's because of the huge catalytic converter under the engine.
I bought an Abba paddock stand for use at home, but that still does not help when out touring if a wheel needs to be removed.
Compare that to the Kawasaki H2SX which has a centre stand (and single sided swing-arm) and I think Kawasaki made a mistake on the Ninja 1000SX (both of which are also on my VFR800).
2. Bluetooth phone & satnav connectivity quite limited, no real integration for calls, alerts or sound.
3. Original panniers on Touring version are only 28 litre capacity (I changed them for a pair of Givi V35) and no Kawasaki option for having both topbox and panniers together, thus the Givi / Kappa solution is better.
4. Cost of fitting original Kawasaki USB socket in fairing just excessive (about £100) compared to a standard dual USB socket of under £10. Should be standard, especially on the Touring version.
5. Absolutely idiotic wiring on front brake light switch, Kawasaki changed from a standard switch with a pair of spade connections to hard-wired unit requiring complete fairing removal and fiddly pulling of the wire above the engine. I fail to understand why a 10 minute job had to become 3 hours of faffing (and a bit of swearing).
6. Useless toolkit.
Not even the correct size Allen key to adjust the chain.
7. No self-cancelling indicators. These are now fitted even to older bikes, such as the later VFR800'S & I fitted a kit to my 22 year old VFR800, so why not on a new 2020 bike?
8. Heated grips don't get that warm, compare to Oxford heated grips, especially as I fitted thicker foam rubber Grip Puppies for more comfort. The OEM heated grips don't even integrate with the LCD display or controls, making Oxford touring heated grips a better choice and more controllable.
The only other change to my bike is swapping the Bridgestone S22 sport tyres for the T32 tyres, which have more than sufficient grip for my riding and better wet weather performance.
I believe that the Michelin Road 6 are also good on this bike, but I've not tried them.
Overall I am very happy riding the bike and these issues are either fixed with my own upgrades or can be lived with, but could have easily need addressed by the factory, especially as this is an update of an existing & established model.
Thanks for the in-depth report Anthony!
Really good video, well done. I recently rode both and ended up buying the Suzuki but this was purely down to not being satisfied with the customer service at the Kawasaki dealership.The GT doesn't have an IMU or heated grips as standard whereas the SX does but to me that's not a deal breaker. I have to say I really am impressed with my GT, it rides beautifully, handles superb and the fit and finish is good except for the wheels. Long story short, I like my GT but I think the SX is a better bike and if I could put the clock back I would have gone to a different dealership and bought the SX. There is not a great deal of difference in the two and the GT is a superb bike but the SX is even better. Hope this makes things a little clearer.
Imagine you've already done this- but can you put the 6'1 fit of the nc750 and overlay it on the kawasaki and suzuki. You know the comfort you have at present on the honda- seat height, leg bend, reach to the bars etc so you would get a better idea which one would suit better. Seat would be flatter on honda now you have raised the front so you could compare that with the other 2. Might help out a bit??
I'll look into that Yvonne. Thank you.
The tough part for either bike is finding one in stock. IMO the Kawasaki has easily adjustable rear suspension if you take a rider. The Suzuki has better options in colors.
Suzuki vstrom 1050xt..Comfy, reliable ( basically bulletproof ), can handle offroad, great mile muncher/commuter..tons of fun in the twisties..and great price.also sounds epic with a slip on yoshi.And personally I like the classic DR big looks.but that's me😉
I had a 2021 SX1000 and have just got my Suzuki GT and i love it. The seat is far more comfy than the Kawasaki and i preferred the riding position, just did 4 hours on the Suzuki, and got off it like i had only done 1 hour. The brakes are fine on the Suzuki once bedded in. And the TFT dash on the Suzuki is fantastic, that said the Suzuki My Spin app for connectivity and Sat Nav could do with some improvement, but does the job. I have averaged 49.8 MPG on the Suzuki not really any different to the Kawasaki, depending how you ride it. The biggest noticeable difference for me is the Quick Shifter and Blipper on the Suzuki, it is so smooth and just clicks in to gear, never had one false neutral. Both bikes are great bikes, for me i would say the Suzuki leans slightly more to the sporty side of touring, torque and the handling. I ordered my Suzuki last October here in the UK and only received it in March, but well pleased i decided to wait. Plus it comes with a 3 year warranty.
Very interesting! Thanks very much for sharing your experience. I'm surprised that you find the Suzuki to be more comfortable than the 1000SX, I wouldn't have expected that.
@@BikesILike I just did a testride back to back on both. -22 SX has a new thick seat that made the ride more comfortable close to FJR comfort. GT in comparison is more like a seat u find on sportbikes, firm padding but slightly thicker then on sportsbikes.
@@mathiashammar1 Ok great! Thanks for the info Mathias.
Just rode and purchased the new Suzuki GSX1000 GT Plus. Own a older BMW GS customized to my rider triangle. But I found the Suzuki as comfortable (perhaps more-so) than the GS. As nimble at 10mph+, not as nimble at a crawl. Smoother air flow. Much lighter. More prone to cross winds. Isn’t as feature rich as the Kawasaki Ninja, but that is ok.
Thanks for sharing your experience Greg, very useful!
I wanted to wait for the NT1100 to arrive in Canada in 2023 or 2024 (not confirmed yet) and I decided to get the 2022 Suzuki GSX-S1000GT+ to replace my Yamaha MT-10 2020 and I'm really satisfied. The Ninja 1000SX has the ajustable screen, the heated grips, the easy "preload" adjuster (rear shock) and a seating position more touring oriented which the GSX-S1000GT+ doesn't have. I must say that I know this K5 engine very well and as I was a Super Sport rider previously for many many years, I prefer the GSX-S1000GT+ ergos, the K5 engine, the sportier chassis & suspensions. 🙂
Similar price yes, but the kawi comes a little cheaper with more tech and if you ever ride at night your not gonna want that headlight on the Suzuki. It’s hard to beat the kawi for what it is and does at that price point.
I have the GT, and although it wouldn't seem like it, the headlight works really well, and the brights......LORDY!!
I too have been looking at both of these bikes to replace an aging Ducati Multistrada that has never seen the dirt. I have not ridden either of these bikes but from the countless videos I have watched, there are a couple of things to add. The brakes on the Suzuki, despite the Brembo calipers, are described as "wooden" in almost every rider review. Second, the Kawa has better tech since the IMU on the Suzuki is not lean angle sensitive because lean angle is not measured by the computer.
Good pickups!
I owned the SX from 2014 to 2019 and I REALLY miss it. I live in Wisconsin and decided that it was too hot in summer and too cold in winter (62 F below freezing ?)...and the roads are straight grid pattern. I loved the sheer quality of the Kwacker and aluminium (OK aluminum) frame. The power and its delivery are super... Damn, the longing is getting too much for me. I passed my test in Yorkshire in 1963 and Tampa in 2008... After 3 years away from biking you would think I would want a change, but I researched the SX big style originally and it ticked every box... I have owned everything from a 199cc Triumph Tiger Cub to an Ariel Leader and a BSA A10 650, and 4 Suzuki 1200 Bandits and a GSXR1100 etc. I am 6ft and 194 lbs. I have given up biking 'forever' 5 times... lol
Your appreciation of the SX is a story I've seen repeated many times. I need to test ride this bike!
@@BikesILike ....Only one downside is that in the US, the latest ones don't have green as an option. Mine was green. I think black bikes are dangerous coz they are so hard to see and not attractive anyway. I almost was tempted today but stopped at the colour/color. I could ride the Sx in top gear at under 30mph..much like a 1200 Bandit, but far smoother. Tootling along sedately on a 160mph bike is a nice feeling of "You don't know what I've got"....especially when you encounter a Harley ...The SX has TWICE the power and HALF the weight at HALF the price ! Here in Milwaukee is the home of Harley so lots of opportunity for that... yep get the test ride and give it some welly !
@@chevinbarghest8453 Green is definitely the one I'd go for which is available here thankfully. The bike being able to be comfortably ride around at normal legal speeds in a pleasing manner is a huge draw for me, that's what I need. Unfortunately getting test rides on anything at the moment is next to impossible. I spoke to a local Kawi dealer about the 1000SX recently and they said the only way I could see one is if I put down $1,000 deposit and ordered one. They also said that if I decided that I didn't want it that would be totally fine because then they would have one to put on the showroom floor. We do live in interesting times.
@@BikesILike Rents are doubling here and houses up 50% in 2 years. Only houses for sale are other people's mistakes. Flat tin roofs etc. We looked at one in Florida and next door the guy had 5 pit bulls running loose and a huge swastika painted on his wall. I am getting emails from the Toyota dealers who are offering me $4,000 more than I paid him for my 2017 car 3 years ago... I am sitting tight for now. It won't end well.
@@chevinbarghest8453 Yeah the signs aren't good I'm afraid. Inflation is well and truly here.
I don’t know what you finally decided but after owning both for 6 months now I find myself reaching for the GSX most of the time. I almost never take the bags off of either bike; the Suzuki is just that much more comfortable for me and as I’ve gotten used to the wide handlebars I find it will do everything I ask of it. There is just a bit more convenience to the electronics on the GSX. The Ninja is still a blast but as I said, I almost always get on the GSX.
That's interesting! Great to get a perspective from someone who is in the unique position to own both Joe. Would you say the GSX is more fun to ride?
@@BikesILike i wouldn’t say that. I had a 2012 Ninja 1000 and the 23 that we bought is incredibly more refined. Both of these bikes are just absolutely a blast to ride. You might give up a bit to hard core sporty bikes but on the street you won’t miss the difference unless you are riding a lot harder than you probably should on public roads.
@@tex929rr Ok great! Thanks Joe.
Between Suzuki and Kawa. Suzuki still got som sport to it, top end performance and stiffer suspension, bit wooden frontend bite and no corner ABS or IMU, smoother gearbox. Kawa has more comfort with its adjustable screen, softer seat -22 model, not as sporty suspension standard (tho fully adjustable). Kawa got slightly less refined gearbox, torque engine in low revs and in town. So if you will do plan on touring alot Kawa gives you more comfort and if you want to go on trackdays also i would pick the Suzuki. Both are very good and cant go wrong with any, just splitting hairs here :D
Also you will need to throw away those Dunlop Roadsport II. They are garbage and super stiff tyres. They hold good in wet but its like riding on hockey pucks. S22 on Kawa has won several tyre test and are premium rubber and you can feel it.
Excellent! Thanks Mathias 👍
Maybe the Norden 901 would do the job. I think it’s got all the power you need and you will be traveling with style with that beautiful bike.
Thank you for such an in-depth video! I’m considering a ninja 1000 after having enjoyed my ninja 400 for a while now. Lots of great info and insight you shared! Would love to see a follow-up review video on the new bike you selected!
Thanks Todd! I've just put down a deposit on an Indian. See video here ruclips.net/video/waLY3tLMLMc/видео.html
I was in a similar position to you and I ended up either a Yamaha 1200 Super Tenere . It's gone under the radar a bit so prices are reasonable, shaft drive , upright riding position , super comfortable and averaged 55 mpg since I've owned it . It's a 2020 model
Interesting. That's a good fuel figure!
Reviewers say Tracer 9 is one of the best sport tourer. It will fit all your needs and it should be cheaper than these. The only negative is the dual TFT screen setup
Perfect, especially if you're looking for fugly! 😉
Suzuki does not have 6-axis IMU, that’s where they saved on entry price. I wish they did not save on such an important piece of tech.
Interesting! Thanks for letting us know Mike.
Yes keep the nc750x
I just purchased the 1000 sx 2 days ago. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed
Awesome! Thanks for for your feedback Wayne.
I own a 2017 sx 1000 I get on average 58 miles to the gallon riding up through Wales all road types, went last week up to Llangollen from South Wales GB, 138 miles each way ,
I bought it new in 2017 apparently the new seat is more comfortable and you do have a few improvements ,
I have a few health issues I do find I get a burning numbness in the neck and shoulders but that's related to arthritis,
Can't fault the bike there isn't enough upgrades for me to part x mine full touring version like mine here is £14300 + mine is probably worth £7000 trade in with full service history Only 15600 miles on the clock, its definitely a keeper for now 😀, I ride in the cold 🥶 - 6/ 8 that's about the max we get providing the council hasn't put road salt down, I'm coming up to 65 few days ,
The proof is always in the riding, I feel. Both are great bikes. 😎
Just bought a new green Ninja from my local dealer. I went in to look at the Z1000 but couldn't go past the Ninja for the extra comfort and the fact it has an IMU. It is excellent value. I was lucky to get it as there was a guy in the shop just before me but couldn't make up his mind. They still have a grey/red one there though.
I can understand you coming to that decision Matthew. Would love to know what you think of the bikes once you get some miles on it and in particular how comfortable the seat is on a longer trip. 👍
@@BikesILike I hope it is comfy as I regularly do long days on the bike. My current bike is a 08 Triumph Tiger 1050. I did an overnight trip along the Great Ocean Rd to Warnambool then across to the Grampians and home to Melbourne last week and traded the bike in when I got home.
@@matthewrafferty4117 I'm really keen on the 1000SX Matthew, I reckon it's a really well rounded bike and excellent value for money. I think I've narrowed my options down to the NT1100 and 1000SX. Once I've test ridden both I'll make a decision.
@@BikesILike getting a ride on them will be the hard part. I know Peter Stevens here in Victoria has a Ninja demo bike but not sure at which store. I looked at the Honda online but I really think they have lost their way. The NT looks modern but still misses out on an IMU and I'm certainly not a fan of the parallel twin. You can get a Ninja with paniers, pipe and heated grips for less than the advertised price of the NT. The Ninja could just be the best value bike on the market now.
You could easily use handlebar risers to move the bars of the Africa Twin closer, and get the seat done to make that a ride for you.
I had an FJR; wonderful bike.
I have Kawasaki 1100 now; also wonderful. A new 1000sx is on the way.
However, it’s maddening to listen to your nattering indecision.
You won’t like the 1000sx seat either.
It veh !
Thanks for the input Mike I do appreciate it. I am what I am I'm afraid, I can't change who I am, maybe my channel might not be for you? Thanks for the heads up on the 1000SX seat.
Both the Suzuki and the Kawasaki look like they would do the job well but the difficulty is getting extended test rides to establish if the bike feels comfortable.
I ran a Versys 1000GT which I hoped would be perfect (seat comfort wasn't for me). In the end I've found my MT10 super comfortable but compromised on range and thirst. I continue to look for the next bike.
Sat on the Suzuki at the NEC show and for me the seat felt over narrowed to allow short folks to get their feet down. I do prefer a wider seat. I'm waiting to get a test ride on the Tiger 1200, after sitting on one it felt it had the potential to be long term comfortable. Considerably more expensive than the Kawasaki or Suzuki though.
I bought a new Ninja 1000 SX in May 2021, from the first day there was a problem with the bike while running at steady speed, the bike would hesitate and run rough, accelerating was no problem, absolute missile, but constant speed running was terrible making the cruise control unusable. The dealer had the bike for over a month and even with help from Kawasaki UK we're unable to fix the problem. The bike was rejected and returned for a full refund in August. Very disappointed because otherwise it was a great bike. I currently have a 2022 NC750 X and am loving it.
Very interesting! Thanks for the letting me know Phillie, much appreciated.
@@BikesILike I have a 2020 Ninja 1000SX and can confirm that the engine is very flexible. it will trundle along quite happily at 25mph in 6th if you want and will just accelerate away smoothly with no hesitation at all. The fuelling is just about perfect. Phillies bike obviously had a fault.
@@Mr53T Perfect! Thanks A Z! What are your thoughts on seat comfort and comfort overall for longer rides?
@@Mr53T I agree with everything you say about the flexibility of the engine, the worrying thing about my experience was that the dealer and Importer were unable to fix the fault which really affected my confidence in Kawasaki, up to then I had held them in the same regard as Honda . Enjoy your bike, they are a great machine.
@@BikesILike Seat comfort and comfort in general is subjective because we are all different. In my case, because I have a 28inch inseam, I bought the low seat option, which incidentally is the standard seat on the previous generation of the bike. Most of my long trips therefore have been done on the thinner seat and I suppose the fact that I don't think about the seat when riding means it's good for me. I have ridden on the standard thicker seat and that felt OK too but I have not used it for long trips.
Overall comfort as in bar and peg positions are OK. Not the same as a BMW R1200GS LC low chassis, which was my previous bike, as that was a very upright riding position but that bike had higher and wider handlebars which at times gave me shoulder ache on longer rides.
So, to sum up, comfort ergonomics are going to be different depending on your body build and type and I often think manufacturers should build in more adjustability of bars and foot pegs. The only real way to judge comfort is a really good test ride of say a day but of course that is always never available. It should be!
Bil: I'm in the same predicament you are. Here in Florida is almost impossible to get a test ride unless it's a BMW. I currently own a 2016 S1000R, early sixties and looking for additional body comfort. I'm checking all videos and reviews I can, including yours (very informative). Let me know which one you ended up with, after watching your video and reading all comments I have my sights on the Ninja.
It is truly frustrating. I did ask the local Honda and Indian dealer about a lack of demo bikes and the truth is they can't get them. The manufacturer won't let them buy a bike if it's going to be used as a demo. All bikes are now reserved for direct customer sales and the dealer has to prove the bike is going to a customer before it will be released to the dealer. Worldwide demand for bikes is far greater than available supply unfortunately... still a sign of the times and I wonder if we'll ever get back to 'normal' supply.
$19,128 is a pretty keen price.
Excellent video.
We not only have similar beards but are currently looking at the same bikes. I'm 6'2", 35" inseam, about 170lbs so the pictures you create for yourself are very close if not exact for me.
I think the Suzuki is a bit more handsome and looking at the seat/tank close up, the tank cut out looks more natural for hugging with your legs. I'm currently on a 2018 1000XT (which I love the torque) but really considering getting back on a sports tourer soon. Here's to hoping for test rides for us in the future, as that's the only way I'll know for sure.
I've done this exact comparison too and visited both dealers, the Kawasaki was my choice too
I have a 2017, and I really hope, they've changed the driver seat, really hard to sit on. Overall, is a great bike. I hope you can ride one as soon as possible. If you are coming to Tassie, let me know, I'll be happy to give u mi e for a test drive. They will be almost the same bike by the way. (More or less).
Thanks very much for the offer Cerico! Yes I believe the seat was updated and made more comfortable on the 2020 model. I will keep looking for a test ride, there's got to be a demo somewhere.
Sir, in case it may be helpful to you and other people potentially interested in the Ninja. I own a (March 2021) Touring model. In the meantime I’ve done 17000 kms on it, I’ve ridden it in big city traffic, country roads, highways, I’ve done weekend tours and a 4000 km trip through the French Alps. A little bit of background, I’m 60 years old, shorter than you, 170cm, and fairly light, 62 kgs. I come from a BMW 1250 GS on which I did 40 000 kms in two years.
If the Ninja fits your frame, I can only recommend it to you. I have the Tourer with the larger screen, the Akrapovic exhaust, side panniers and the only modifications I did to the bike is changing the seat, I’ve got the comfort seat because the standard one has rather sharp edges which would provoke some discomfort after an hour or so and I put a bracket under the windscreen to locate my gps. The bike is a very capable all-rounder. The only thing I found myself wanting compared to the GS is the confort for the pillion but I very rarely ride two-up. The engine is amazing. So smooth. You can cruise in 6th at 50 km/h, open the throttle and you get a very smooth, linear built-up of power. It’s no big V-Twin, mind you, but for a inline-four it’s quite a torquey engine. Riding in the alpine hairpins, I could leave the engine in third most of the time. I was riding with five friends on big KTMs or GSs and while accelarating out of the corner they have an obvious torque-advantage but you just shift down, open the throttle and as the engine revs readilly, once you are past 4500 revs you get an incredible power-surge with a nice soundtrack, on top of it. I’m talking there of aggressive riding otherwise, third gear and you’re good to go. I don’t find that there are any annoying vibrations, at least compared to the mechanical hundrum you would get from a big boxer engine… the only point I would criticize is that the gearing is fairly short which is ok for the first five gears but I would have liked a sixth gear more geared as an overdrive so that you could cruise at highway speeds at a lower rev count. Highway riding, not something I would enjoy on any bike but I’ve done long stitches at fairly quick pace (my riding buddies are equipped with radar-detection devices) and when we have to cover some ground we’d be cruising at 140-150 km/h. I find that the Ninja does it very well, the wind protection is not on a par with the big adventure bikes and what I describe will be maybe different for taller people but I rather prefer the inferior wind protection (for shoulders and head) of the Ninja, compared to the bubble you get from those big windscreens (I’ve ridden an Africa-Twin, too) as they always generate buffeting which tires me more than a clean airstream that hits your helmet (I’ve always ride with earbuds). The first part of my body which starts complaining when riding long distance on motorways, as you don’t really move as you would on more engaging roads, are the knees. Not that the riding position would be cramped, at least not for my height but coming from a motorbike with a more upright sitting position as you do, it’s definitely something you should be aware of. Having said that, I really like the riding position I can ride for a long time and once you hit more curvey roads it’s very engaging. The bike is not feather light but I find it agile enough, I have to use my body more than on the GS (larger handlebars on it) but it’s something I enjoy. On more sweeping turns the Ninja is a very planted motorcycle.
In city traffic it’s easy enough. What I describe here as city traffic is continental european gridlock with narrow streets. You can flip back the rearview mirrors so that you can whizz through traffic as the handlebars are not very wide. The rearview mirrors are rubbish, by the way. Minuses: it has no center stand so you have to work around that circunstance. I have a paddock stand in the garage to clean and lube the chain from time to time, not that often as I installed a Regina care-free chain which claims to only need a little bit of cleaning and lubing every 1000kms, I tend to do it more often as I sometimes ride on wet roads. For trips I have a portable motorcycle jack (and some helping hands). Mad about motorcycles as I am, I often found myself phantasizing about my next bike and surely enough, there are plenty of bikes that I like or that I’m curious in, the new MotoGuzzi Mandello, for example but I know that I will keep this Ninja for a long time… at least until the new model update comes, we’ll see.
I don’t know the Suzuki, though. Really like the design, apart from the asymmetrical headlights. I would still go for the Kawasaki on account of the more torquey engine and the better suspension package (on paper at least).
Keep us informed about your choice.
Thanks so much for the very detailed report on your Ninja 1000 SX ownership experience Carlos. I find hearing feedback from an actual 1000 SX owner to be of the most value and your report confirms what I suspect the bike might be like to own and ride. I will keep you posted.
thanks for a very informative comparison, Im 70 and have a half dozen bikes Ive collected through the years, and finding it difficult to change any of them to a newer bike, which for no good reason, other than passion Im looking to do, and consequently, I have looked at these two models myself as tempting! I lean towards touring but find sporty tempting if certain comfort is also present which now is offered. I pretty well agree with all your findings and views, living in adelaide, I have sat on two second hand kawasaki se 1000s, and found them comfortable positions. I didnt go for a test ride because I didnt feel serious about buying either for different reasons., but I'll just mention now, the deal breaker for me, which I find unfortunate, in getting close and personal with the real thing! It s not what I have ever had an issue with for any othe r bike, but its the mirrors, sounds superficial but its like a huge insect with mirrors coming out a huuuge length either side, and I realised I couldnt live with it. I went on to a kwaka forum and found pages of riders taking th e mirrors off, which is not a solution here in oz as you know. Just my two bobs worth for you to consider, as most photos will not view the kwaka from the direct front or rear where the mirrors are fully visible. Anyway, thanks again, enjoyed your video, ps., do you happen to know if the nc750 new model is still to grace our shores, ? keep the sunny side up!
Thanks for the feedback and info Ottoman I really do appreciate it! I'll keep the mirrors in mind if I get the chance to see one in the flesh. Unfortunately it doesn't look good for the new NC750X making it's way here. In addition to the NC750X we've also lost the new X-ADV750 and I see the CB1000R is now gone! Every year Honda seems to cut yet another bike from the Aussie line up.
I owned an SX for about one year (it was a 16 model from memory) and found it to be a good all rounder. Good value for money. However as with a few reviews I'd read, the gearing is too high and for touring you're continually looking for a 7th gear. Revs too high for higher cruising
Thanks for the feedback Russell! There were some major improvements made in the 2020 model and I've heard lowering the gearing was one of them. 👍
Fair criticism, but the Suzuki is geared even shorter, might be looking for 8th on it. The bulk of yhe problem is remedied by dropping a tooth on the countershaft sprocket and jumping to an 55 section eprear tire.
I can confirm that this is still existing with my 2020 SX.
If you do constantly 140km/h on our german highway, the SX is at around 6000 revs. This is not feeling bad or uncomfortable. But if you do that for one and a half hour before you start thinking about you next fuel stop, you start thinking about an overdrive gear that would bring it down to 4500 rpm. This would be a good advantage and would as well bring the fuel consumption a bit down...
How long can I travel with pillion in ninja sx1000 will it be comfortable for Me as well as pillion
$19,000 for a six hour ride, keep the NC and book a luxury resort for the night !
Have you checked BMW F750GS. It has everything plus comfort like no other( the electronic suspension is a dream) and will cost you less than Ninja 1000
I started watching you vids when I was in hospital with cancer. I gave my self a carrot, If I live I am getting a motorcycle. Well I made it.
I tried to get the cb500x went on a list for months gave up and bought the 390 adventure. The past month I have been looking at these same bikes. Going through the same thinking that you do.
I would go with the Kawasaki also. Honda has let me down here in the US.
Thanks for you vids, this old guy appreciates your work.
Thanks Tom! So glad to hear you overcame that serious health challenge and added a new goal of getting a motorcycle. Well done! I hope you stay on top of things for many years to come.
NT1100 is reportedly a very comfortable tourer, assume it is going to be released in Australia soon
Fingers crossed. I have heard they're in the country! Or was that you that told me that Brian?
I'm a happy Tuono 1000r user and after 10 years of ownership is time to change, was looking for an Adventure bike for crusing, but was also thinking, such tall bikes will be a pain to lift up, so I thought, why not an Hybrid, still tour, wide handle bars, if You want to spirit drive a bit you are not using the entire lane of the road (Bike height+driver height), so I was oriented to the only choice, the Kawa1000SX also because of that engine. For your video I would add, Kawa is better than Suzuki because of the headlights; Kawa has two beams where Suzuki has only one, loose that one and you are blinded, where Kawa will still have one. And with the technology of today, you can also put more aggressive tires that are perfect on road, in the rain and will still provide a bite on gravel, just in case of some emergency offroading.
Ninja 1000 is my favorite of all Kawis.
I’ll be rooting for you to go for N 1000 !!
BTW, I own one of the bikes (Vulcan S) you saw in the Kawi dealership.. You’re welcome to ride it - it’s just that you need to fly to Bangalore, India 😉
A nice thorough review. Thanks! If only you could get them all for test rides....
NT1100 … ? yep its a very good bike .Handles very wel. Good comfort to.But in the summer its very very hot ….. to hot for me 😅 . Now i,m trading it in for a SX or Gsx .
The Suzuki has no 6Axis-IMU. I am on the Ninja. Best wishes from Germany.
Yes I've since learned that thanks Ekki. I'm waiting to see what the 2023 model Ninja 1000SX brings. Apparently it's being released this month (July).
@@BikesILike The main thing with both bikes in the end is wether you get used to the rather sporty seating position and knee angle during longer rides. I would bet that you would be as fast on a Honda NT1100 (same weight) with more comfort and weather protection.
@@ekkihp.4488 For me typically I find having weight on my wrists to be more comfortable as it spreads the weight load more. I find bikes where I'm sitting upright to be more uncomfortable, it's an issue I have with my back. Having said that, if a dealer near were to ever put an NT1100 on as a demo bike I would definitely take one for a test ride.
Get a suzuki c90 if your looking for a comfortable motorcycle capable of longer rides. It shaft driven which is way better for gravel roads compared to a harleys belt drive and is priced more competitively.
Have you thought about ktm 1290 Adventurer S? I own the GT but it's more of a touring sport than an adventurous touring.
great comparison observation of the details...
So.... did you got it? 3 month later, no video on your new bike?
I got mine (Ninja 1000 SX) in may, and it's wonderful.
On touring side, you may need to stretch your legs after 1 or 2 hours. My ass hurts after 1 hour. I tried the gel Seat, but it's worse because the seat curve push you to the tank, so you slide to it all the time. The widescreen is very efficient and best look.
Haven't made a decision yet Pascal. I really want to test ride one before buying, very difficult to do around here. Fortunately I have found a dealer that does keep a 1000SX demonstrator. They're waiting for the new 2023 model to arrive (colour change only), should be in late September and they're going to let me know when it's available for a test ride. They also have a DCT NT1100 coming and I'll get a test ride on that too. UK/Europe has had the NT1100 for a while now and we're still waiting for it. Bikes take so much longer to release here in Australia.
Ho una Kawasaki ninjia 1000sx del 2022 sono innamorato di questa splendida Moto
And what about the 950 supersport on this range of bikes?
My initial thought is that any sporty sports tourer will not be better than a 750X for long distance....could even be worse. An FJR, Concours 14, NT11000, something that leans more towards touring would appear to be better for long trips...
The Ninja 1000SX comes without the panniers, there is a versión that comes with them (and taller screen) which is the Tourer, obviously at a premium
Is that for Australia Marcos? I've seen that option in the UK but I don't see any mention of it on the Australian website. I know Kawasaki UK usually has options not available here.
@@BikesILike MM, it may be, but is strange because for Europe and USA is like that
@@marcos1669 Yeah we tend to miss out on the extras. But unlike Honda, Kawasaki does make most of it's range available here.
What did you think of your Versys 1000? And reason for selling it?
I had the 2016 Versys 1000 and it was a good bike once I made some much needed modifications. I didn't get on with the stock seat as it sloped too much and I kept sliding forward and getting bounced onto the tank with every significant bump. My wife also kept sliding forward on the stock seat as well. I ended up buying a Corbin seat and this fixed the issue. I also got a taller screen which help things as well. I also noticed an interesting handling peculiarity. My Versys 1000 tending to fall into the corner earlier than I was expecting. Meaning I would go to lean into a corner and the bike fall in quicker than expected and I would often cut a corner more than I wanted to. Just bike handling quirk I had to get used to. Now having said this, the bike was a very good bike and I enjoyed my touring time on the bike but I had to make modifications to do so. I'm also 6'1". I have seen reviews of riders around 5'9" who reported no such issues so it could be body proportion specific. Hope that helps!
@@BikesILike
I have a 2018 built V 1000. Brought it new.... Old stock 18k with Kawasaki top box. Only 2000ks. Need to ride more often. Re corner... Tuck in, you were talking about. I had it sitting up.... Fnt end. Had the experts give front end more damping. Way more feal now. Seat.... Yes, may look at a custom one made. Screan. Will see how I go, with me doing more ks.
New Zealand
Own a sx1000 2022 model i've had it for the last five months great bike,like Kawasaki for building reliable motorcycles
Nice! How do you find the stock seat for comfort Peter?
@@BikesILike good , you can get a lower seat if needed, happy with the bike over all,I'm six foot tall,
@@peternelson6280 Thanks Peter. I'm 6'1" and strongly considering the 1000SX as a next bike. Good long distance comfort is a high priority.
Very nice video and bike comparison.
And the conclusion is also correct, by my point of view:- The Suzuki is more on the Sport side and the Kawasaki more suited for touring.
Before I went for the KTM SDGT, I thought about the Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX, but I have a principle. I never buy nothing on that range of value without riding the bike.
And the fact was, that last year I saw and could seat on it at the dealer but there wasn’t possible to take it for a ride test. And that was a deal breaker for me.
I was at the same time with my eyes on the SDGT and they had one available for test ride. So, my decision was taken after that day.
I'm going to do my very best to try and get a 1000SX test ride Brito.
@@BikesILike yes my friend, you know what they say: - The insurance died of old age “. 💪
Hello,
Have you considered the Honda X-ADV 750?
It has the same engine as your NC but It has better equipment.
It is not super fast but it is a very good all around commuter bike.
I got one. It has a very good ridding position and it is very comfortable for long rides.
I do like the X-ADV 750 but sadly Honda does not sell that bike in Australia
Hey, you forgot to consider . . . never mind. You nailed it. Again.
No IMU on the suzuki
Take into account fuel consumption especially if it will mostly be a touring bike where you might do more miles. Just buy the NT1100 because they don't sell them here and at least one of us should get one and I could live it through your channel 😉
The NT1100 is definitely becoming a firm favourite Davy. The question I have is... would I go manual with a quickshifter or DCT?
Its my pick , Best bang for the buck and all i have ever owned have been Kawasaki since the early 80s and for my old bones the Ninja fits the bill.I have owned many Kawasaki products over the years and they have all been trouble free and the engine and power delivery delivers a visceral experience like no other manufacturer . I currently own a 1985 Gpz 900R and a 2005 Vulcan 1500Fi Classic . I got a chance to ride both the Suzuki and the Kawsaki and the Kawasaki felt much more of a premuim product over the Zook. IMHO
I'm 6'1" and about your age as well. The Kaw 1000 Ninja I believe is the one to get but don't own it.
As Cat said, book that hotel. I would not do it all in one day.
Best of luck.
My head says NT1100 but my heart says Ninja 1000SX Luke. Although when it comes to dollars my head also says 1000SX. I'm still debating whether I can do the MotoGP in one day or not. I have to admit the challenge is kind of appealing to me. Can I still do it?
Bike availability for the last year or two has made it difficult for anyone trying to buy. I couldn’t find a demo or indeed any floor stock for my bike which is a common Honda CB500x so had to rely on reviews for it’s quality and just ordered it over the phone. I’m not sure I would have bought it if I had been able to test ride as I find it a bit under powered with short gearing. However it is reliable and I have been on a few good rides so maybe I’ll keep it for now. Good luck with your search and maybe one of your subscribers has one he/she could show you.
i have ridden my friend's Ninja 1000-SX
you won't be left disappointed
don't know about Suzuki GT
though i once rode a 2011 GSXR 1000 but can't compare the modern tech with a decade old bike/engine
Thanks for the 1000SX feedback Chirag!
tenere 1200 Yamaha👍 twin cylinder hi torque reliability and practical shaft drive. fuel sipping long range king. my opinion, I-4 bikes makes you feel fatigue . just my opinion.
I’m selling my Africa twin. Really thinking about the ninja 1000 SX or the Tracer 9 GT it has had adjustable seat heights.
Benetts bike social has the new Harley Nightster review!
I think doing your diligence will aid you in the decisions, however I"m not convinced either of these bikes would be a better touring bike than you have in terms of comfort.
You could be right Flat Cap.
Fantastic. thanks!
You're welcome Butter!
I’d personally opt for the Honda NT1100 (DCT or manual) for two reasons, the wind/rain protection is far superior to either of the motorcycles your considering & secondly about the same amount of torque but at a lower 6250 rpm! I guess the only downsides, if they are downsides, are the extra weight 248 kgs & lower 101 bhp figure.
Kawasaki should throw the panniers in for that money. Has that Ninja got shaftdrive like the Yamaha FJ1300? We do get black ice though which is nasty- up near Woodend . Also with flooding you can get aquaplaning. I had that happen on a Kawasaki GPZ1100B2.
Chain drive on the Kawasaki. My 2016 Versys 1000 was also chain drive. Did 25,000 km on that bike and chain and sprockets were still in good nick when I sold it. I just gave the chain an occasional spray with chain wax lube. Very little effort required in the way of chain maintenance these days, the NC is the same.
@@BikesILike I remember from the UK review I saw, they stated the. instrument block had more up to date features but the Kawasaki had the more comfortable,sorted set up.
@@MrAndrew1953 Thanks Andrew! I had someone else recommend MCN's review which I'll check out tonight. I'm sure I've seen it but I would've watched it when the Ninja 1000SX wasn't on my radar. I'll be re-watching it with greater interest now!
@@BikesILike it was a good review. I recommend it if you're interested in the Kawasaki.I just don't like the lary colour scheme - much prefer the Suzuki blue.
Are you carrying a pillion to Phillip Island? I'd prefer a medium capacity bike circa 800cc. 1972 I rode from Perth to Melbourne in 3.5 days on my T250R Suzuki tourer. Rockhard seat and Japanese tyres that showed no sign of wear. I was only 19.
@@MrAndrew1953 I'll be going solo this time. That's a pretty fair effort on a 250! It's amazing how much more tolerant you are when you're young. The quickest trip I ever made from Perth to Ballarat was in my Peugeot 504 TI. Left Perth 7:00 am Saturday morning and was home in Ballarat at 11:00 pm Sunday night. I did all the driving bar 4 hours of sleep. My mate took over for those 4 hours. Kept a steady pace of around 130 k's. I was in my early twenties then. There's no way I could do that now.
Both great bikes. However having tried many sports tourers, my heart and head went to the BMW RS, which I ended up buying. Very torquey engine, power modes, quick shifter, dynamic suspension, centre stand, cruise control.... and very importantly shaft drive. It's a bike that is totally eclipsed by the GS in the BMW range but it makes more sense on the road than the GS.
Suzuki up on HP, but that's it. Kawasaki better tech, remote preload on rear shock, adjustable windscreen, smoother engine, 6 axis emu. Suzuki geared too low and engine busy at speed. Geared too low making it not much faster than the Kawasaki.
Suzuki better looking imo, and the exhaust is better looking than the Kawi.
The big thing...build quality. Suzuki looks cheap, surprisingly, compared to the Kawasaki.
My verdict.....buy the FJR 1300 if going to do any long distance touring. It trumps both these bikes...far more comfortable, effortless power, better weather protection, far better for 2 up.
For comfort on long distance riding why not look for a cruiser?
I was considering the Vulcan 900 Classic, I'd still like to own one. I did have the Vulcan Vaquero before my current NC750X and had that setup well for longer distances. But I think I might be ready for a sport touring change.
Getting demo bike has become a diminishing proposition; specifications are necessary, but entirely insufficient.
Agree Walter.
Oh you're a motorcycle fan? Review every single bike to ever exist.
Justifying a new bike for a 6hr ride? This is the story you gave your wife surely. This is the most diabolical justification for a purchase I’ve ever heard.
:)
You lost me at 4 cylinder gas mileage goes down insurance goes up all I have to say is the bike is a ninja and my insurance goes up also if it's chain driven which I believe it is I wouldn't want to take that on a tour one more headache to worry about. Anything under a litre bike be at Adventure or sport touring, like the African twin 750, the guru's on RUclips definitely promoting smaller lighter bikes for long-distance touring.
I know you aren’t a BMW guy… neither am I… but I ended up with a r1200rs. Do yourself a favour, and don’t discount the 1200/1250rs.
Really good bike, I tested the 1250RS and that engine is surprisingly smooth for a twin cylinder and is the torquiest engine y have tested
@@marcos1669 Yep… I have a 17 1200 RS. I love it. I give up a bit of reliability (non Japanese) for the features the bike offers.
Hey Bil, i dont think you can ever review any Bikes purely on stats and specs? It got really, really Boring. You started with a clear Bias for the Kawa? The Suzuki is more Powerful, lighter, quicker the three Modes can suit ANY way you want to ride. The Panniers make it so flexible. Your point about Torque is nonsense given the absurb rev range. Check for reliability of Suzuki Bikes against Kawa and they are far and away better. IMU??? what relevance is that to man in the street? The Suzuki is going to be Bike of the year. My Suzi is 8 years old now.i have not even changed a Battery.Go to any Independent Motorcycle Repairer and ask about ANY Suzuki Bike they will all tell you they are Bulletproof. Also check service interval, cost. Cost of ownership is lower on Ssuzuki bikes. I will guarantee you the Suzuki GSX will outperform the Kawa at top and low end. Be more Comfortable and is Superbly Planted and Balanced as a Bike! None of this is in your Spec sheet. You need to Test Ride both Bikes. You will become a Suzuki Proud owner and never look back. You cant get the Suzuki it is destined.....Kawa will give you a discount. Why is this? It is not in your spec sheet.get rid of your Bias and ride test. The Stats you quote are so ridiculous. If you can ride either safely at 11000 revs good luck to you. Sorry poor vid it was like a Maths lesson in school, meaningless.