Claude Piron -- international language Esperanto
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2009
- A former UN and WHO translator, who is also a psychologist -- Claude Piron taught for 20 years at the Psychology Department of the University of Geneva - shares his experience of international communication and discusses the international language Esperanto.
Клод Пирон рассказывает на английском о международном языке эсперанто.
Русские субтитры.
Such a smart and informed man
Mi lernis ĝin vere rapide! Mi ne sciis ke Claude Piron parolis Esperanton. Mi dankas vin pro ĉi tiu video.
Danke al Piron nia lingvo plu diskoniĝis, kaj fariĝis pli "respetebla" lingvo laŭ okuloj de ne-esperantistoj. Li vivos en la historio de Esperanto. Longe. Ĉiam.
Who can deny it? It's genial.
I am extremely pleased with finding this language. Strange to me that this language has been absent from my formal education. Better late than never. Many thanks for posting.
Thank you for sharing this video
Esperanto, spoken as a second language in Europe sounds a great idea (to me). Language is surely one of the major factors in bringing people closer together and keeping people further separated when they can't communicate so easily.
This man is one of my "Esperanto heroes. I've read just about all of his books. He says truly important things in this video. But who in the world spelled his given name as "Clod"? It's Claude. Can the poster (Maksim Grishin) please fix this?
Claude = /klɔːd/ [IPA]
Li skribis la nomon kiel oni prononcas gxin.
Malbona afero por trovi la videon.
...Sed tre bona afero por legi la nomon gxuste, haha. ;-)
Interesa prelego! dankon :-)
Maksim: Dankegon!
0:40 Very humble man!
He says: "In Esperanto you can be yourself. In English non-natives have to try to imitate a foreign model knowing that they will never succeed perfectly". When millions and millions of people all over the world have to do this, it's unfair!
Mi serĉas kanzonojn verkitaj de Piron, ĉefe de tiuj, kiu estis publikigitaj en la Metodo de Zagreb, Se iu konas, bonvolu kontakti min!
I'm looking for songs written by Piron, especially those that were published in the Zagreb Method, If anyone knows, please contact me!
I wonder how he would respond to things such as the Ido reforms and other conlangs such as LFN and Interlingua.
***** You're slightly missing the point, which is to show that despite English having a dominance linked to world economic activity (with an unfair advantage to native English-speaking countries), the world is still not communicating on a level playing field. The billions raked in by TEFL etc has not produced a world of English competence and blocking people from the economy based upon English competence is tantamount to imperialism.
You wrote: "Until Esperanto is more economically beneficial to learn than English, it will not become the lingua franca."
It IS economically beneficial in terms of cost-effectiveness in speed of acquisition, time spent, money saved. Your perception is from the position of already existing English dominance, where no-one learns Esperanto (or other such language) because English has a perceived value because it dominates.
There are other issues rather than straight-up business interactions that need clear discussion on an equal footing.
As far as I know, he never spoke or supported Ido (which is basically Esperanto "improved" by "experts"). A few of the reforms that created Ido were encorporated in Esperanto.
Lots of people criticise Esperanto ('s vocabulary) for being too european. In this respect Ido, interlingua and LFN are far worse.
Tre interesa kaj simpla prelego!
mi pardonpetas sed mi ne konas tiun lingvon.... kion estas la nomo? Esperanto? ne mi ne konas tion
Malgraŭ populara kredo, Piron ne studis lingvosciencon kiel sia ĉefa tereno. Piron estas psikologo, kaj fakulo de tradukado, sed ne tre lingvoscientisto.
Piron vere estas unu el la plej granda misinformanto pri lingvoj krom Esperanto. Mi ne korektas ĉion ĉi tie, sed mi montras unu ekzemplon de malbona ekspliko.
4:35 certe ne estas vera por parolantoj de japanaj, ĉinaj, koreaj, persaj, turka, ktp ĉar oni diras iun proksima al "domo en, domo ĉe, domo el" anstataŭ "en domo, ĉe domo, el domo". En kelke da lingvoj (inkludante japana kaj korea), "persono kiu esperas" devas esti esprimita kiel "esperas persono", dum aliaj kiel la ĉinaj esprimas ĝin kiel "esperas kiu persono". Esperanto ne havas la eblon fari tion.
eble, Piron intencis paroli pri nur vortfaradon, ne frazfaradon. Tamen, frazfarado estas egale grava afero por ke "oni povas iĝi sin mem," kiu estas la propeto kiun Piron asertas ke Esperanto havas.
Mi ne asertas ke Esperanto devas havi tia eblon, aŭ ke tia manko de eblo estas malbona. Mi simple malapogas la disvastigadon de malveraj informoj.
Hunt them down and terminate 'em. This is social engineering on a global scale.
I never listen about your language
I would support Latin because it is the language of common European heritage, and even if it is difficult, it is not that difficult. It would only need some new words and it would be a plausible choice for common European language.
Vatican decreed that no new words can be added to Latin..
and Latin does be that difficult
Easy to learn for speakers of Spanish and Italian. But not for the rest of Europeans.