The guy who was punching everything In sight was deservedly tased. However it was after that taser deployment the office decided to kick & stamp on his head despite him being of no immediate threat due to the effect of the taser . I know temperatures were running high but that officer could obviously not control his temper & what worries me is the next time he might be carrying a live weapon.
Thank you Marina, love your work. Why was a 5 foot - something WPC, tasked with apprehending a suspect on his right-hand (dominant-hand) side whilst a male officer "merely" stands behind the man in blue? The whole situation looks as though it became disorganised and chaotic rapidly from the outset. I'm not sure that taking an "element of surprise" approach from the PCs was the best plan, imho
@@miloandalfie5509 It turned into chaos very quickly bcos one of the officers initiated the violence whilst his colleagues weren't exprcting it nor ready for it. Most of us have a friend like thar who lack self control and start fights. I had one such friend. He's now an ex friend.
@@MHACompute Just rewatched the clip, and preceding it, she said 'possibly deserved it'. Hmm, I don't know. Again, this could be interpreted as 'they were looking for trouble and found trouble' rather than, 'kicking someone in the head is fine and dandy', which is something she's certainly not espousing. I'm more inclined to cut her some slack, that it's an ill-phrased comment delivered under the pressures of live TV.
@@mup_pet Words have consequences. Marina made that ill-judged remark and must own it. Tbh, I'm very disappointed that she chose that expression. I'm a huge fan of hers long before she became known. So unfortunate!
No. This 'leeway' as you call it would inevitably be weaponized against the very public they are allegedly sworn to protect. We'd immediately waive any duty of care by police for those held in custody & forego even the most basic welfare protection for people like you & me against brutality being used as a matter of routine police procedure. Contrary to what you're probably thinking, violent cops make violent society; not the other way around.
The cop who kicked and stamped also punched the woman in the face. It was attempted murder, and a revenge attack because the dumb, poorly trained tazer happy cops got beaten in a fight with a skinny kid who should be in the Olympics boxing for us.
The guy in grey hit the woman in the face with his right elbow when he wound up to throw another punch, after he realizes this he loses his focus on the fight and the police officer takes that opportunity to draw his tazer. I also find it a tad ironic that a person who is clearly condemning (rightfully) a man for hitting a woman in the face (albeit the wrong one) is on the other hand celebrating another man who punched two women in the face. So please clarify; is a man punching a woman in the face a good thing or a bad thing?
@@TheSwayzeTrainIs it OK for a police officer to initiate violence? Why was the guy's face banged into the drinks machine? Would you also not have defended yourself in the face of unprovoked violence
@@scatmann5839 Would I have criminally assaulted police officers? No, I would have relied on legal channels to get justice. They were in a very public area, lots of witnesses and people recording. However, given that the police were allegedly trying to arrest these men for an earlier altercation and judging by the chaos that we witnessed in all the videos, the man in blue favours thuggery. Hopefully the two men arrested and the police officer who did the kicking will all get the criminal convictions they deserve.
I've followed Marina for a long time and like her a lot. Sadly, she too went with popular mainstream white opinion in her use of emotive language. Let's look firstly at the event, then the characters. That's objective thinking. 1. Why was the guy's face banged into the vending machine? That started the fracas. 2. Is it OK for a supposedly "well trained" police officer to initiate violence like a common thug? That's probably because most of them are. They're no different from the lads swinging at them. I've seen similar situations first hand with police reacting like thugs! Would anyone in that same situation not have defended themselves in the face of unprovoked violence? Sadly, we don't do objective in Britain where race or skin colour is involved. It becomes tribal very quickly. Most people would suddenly see a different perspective if the cops were black/brown and the thugs were white. Their sympathies would suddenly swing strongly the other way against the police. What is wrong is simply wrong, irrespective of tribe, religion or skin colour.
That BN BN is a piece of the puzzle.. A part of the Big Picture There is No Defending the indefensible all Germs wish to weaken the Host.. Before moving on to the Next They will not own up to their crimes.. They will have to be dragged kicking and squealing So Squealing it is
@niceengland What are you waffling about? What's with all the BN coded stuff? Hosts and germs? Do I detect a whiff of racism in your comment? OK, go on and give oxygen to your true feelings. Your audience awaits.
Again never done this role or anything like it and commenting from a nice warm, lit studio, probably never been in a risk situation or even worked a 12 hour shift? It is essential we hear from a Firearms Instructor who teaches Intervention and arrest techniques!
Who landed the first punch? The male police officer instigated the physical first! He rams the first mans head into the vending machine! Then the same male officer throws the first punch! No police officers are allowed to punch civilians or ram there heads in the lie you are subduing a suspect when the suspect has done nothing to you to alarm you of your physical wellbeing
I’ve heard an analysis from someone who claims to be trained in police restraint techniques. He says the action that looks like a head being slammed against the vending machine is in fact just the guys head moving forward as his arm is brought up behind his back. I couldn’t say myself as the footage is too grainy and I know nothing about police restraint techniques. But I think the point is that we don’t really know the full story from just a video, there needs to be a proper investigation that includes independent expert analysis of the events. The clearest evidence of abuse seems to be the kick to the head as the guy on the floor is pretty obviously subdued already.
The guy who was punching everything In sight was deservedly tased. However it was after that taser deployment the office decided to kick & stamp on his head despite him being of no immediate threat due to the effect of the taser . I know temperatures were running high but that officer could obviously not control his temper & what worries me is the next time he might be carrying a live weapon.
Good girl. Voice of reason, not hate
Agree With you 💯 Marina, and I said the same on my channel yesterday!
Thank you Marina, love your work. Why was a 5 foot - something WPC, tasked with apprehending a suspect on his right-hand (dominant-hand) side whilst a male officer "merely" stands behind the man in blue?
The whole situation looks as though it became disorganised and chaotic rapidly from the outset. I'm not sure that taking an "element of surprise" approach from the PCs was the best plan, imho
@@miloandalfie5509 It turned into chaos very quickly bcos one of the officers initiated the violence whilst his colleagues weren't exprcting it nor ready for it.
Most of us have a friend like thar who lack self control and start fights. I had one such friend. He's now an ex friend.
"...next time it might be someone who doesn't deservee it"?! Wow!
That's quite a nebulous statement, which could be interpreted in a variety of ways.
@@mup_pet I like Marina so I want to give her the benefit of the doubt and she just misspoke 🤷♂
@@MHACompute Just rewatched the clip, and preceding it, she said 'possibly deserved it'. Hmm, I don't know. Again, this could be interpreted as 'they were looking for trouble and found trouble' rather than, 'kicking someone in the head is fine and dandy', which is something she's certainly not espousing. I'm more inclined to cut her some slack, that it's an ill-phrased comment delivered under the pressures of live TV.
@@mup_pet My thoughts, and hopes, too. The clip itself is out of context but Marina decided herself, or her people did, to show it as is.
@@mup_pet Words have consequences. Marina made that ill-judged remark and must own it.
Tbh, I'm very disappointed that she chose that expression. I'm a huge fan of hers long before she became known. So unfortunate!
I agree with her
And amazingly you now have people who were saying the police need protecting were a week later throwing bottles and lumps of concrete at them.
Funny how we are not talking about it. Seems to have vanished without a trace
When the adrenaline kicks in
It’s a fight for survival.
There has to be leeway for police that are forced into situations like this.
No. This 'leeway' as you call it would inevitably be weaponized against the very public they are allegedly sworn to protect. We'd immediately waive any duty of care by police for those held in custody & forego even the most basic welfare protection for people like you & me against brutality being used as a matter of routine police procedure. Contrary to what you're probably thinking, violent cops make violent society; not the other way around.
The cop who kicked and stamped also punched the woman in the face. It was attempted murder, and a revenge attack because the dumb, poorly trained tazer happy cops got beaten in a fight with a skinny kid who should be in the Olympics boxing for us.
The guy in grey hit the woman in the face with his right elbow when he wound up to throw another punch, after he realizes this he loses his focus on the fight and the police officer takes that opportunity to draw his tazer.
I also find it a tad ironic that a person who is clearly condemning (rightfully) a man for hitting a woman in the face (albeit the wrong one) is on the other hand celebrating another man who punched two women in the face.
So please clarify; is a man punching a woman in the face a good thing or a bad thing?
@@TheSwayzeTrainIs it OK for a police officer to initiate violence? Why was the guy's face banged into the drinks machine? Would you also not have defended yourself in the face of unprovoked violence
@@scatmann5839 Would I have criminally assaulted police officers? No, I would have relied on legal channels to get justice. They were in a very public area, lots of witnesses and people recording.
However, given that the police were allegedly trying to arrest these men for an earlier altercation and judging by the chaos that we witnessed in all the videos, the man in blue favours thuggery.
Hopefully the two men arrested and the police officer who did the kicking will all get the criminal convictions they deserve.
I've followed Marina for a long time and like her a lot. Sadly, she too went with popular mainstream white opinion in her use of emotive language.
Let's look firstly at the event, then the characters. That's objective thinking.
1. Why was the guy's face banged into the vending machine? That started the fracas.
2. Is it OK for a supposedly "well trained" police officer to initiate violence like a common thug?
That's probably because most of them are. They're no different from the lads swinging at them. I've seen similar situations first hand with police reacting like thugs!
Would anyone in that same situation not have defended themselves in the face of unprovoked violence?
Sadly, we don't do objective in Britain where race or skin colour is involved. It becomes tribal very quickly.
Most people would suddenly see a different perspective if the cops were black/brown and the thugs were white.
Their sympathies would suddenly swing strongly the other way against the police. What is wrong is simply wrong, irrespective of tribe, religion or skin colour.
You still don't know the whole story, yet feel qualified to not only comment but judge.
Officer initiated violence
That BN BN is a piece of the puzzle.. A part of the Big Picture
There is No Defending the indefensible
all Germs wish to weaken the Host.. Before moving on to the Next
They will not own up to their crimes.. They will have to be dragged kicking and squealing
So Squealing it is
@niceengland What are you waffling about? What's with all the BN coded stuff? Hosts and germs?
Do I detect a whiff of racism in your comment? OK, go on and give oxygen to your true feelings. Your audience awaits.
Again never done this role or anything like it and commenting from a nice warm, lit studio, probably never been in a risk situation or even worked a 12 hour shift? It is essential we hear from a Firearms Instructor who teaches Intervention and arrest techniques!
There was just such an intervention on LBC yesterday, which made interesting viewing.
Who landed the first punch?
The male police officer instigated the physical first!
He rams the first mans head into the vending machine!
Then the same male officer throws the first punch!
No police officers are allowed to punch civilians or ram there heads in the lie you are subduing a suspect when the suspect has done nothing to you to alarm you of your physical wellbeing
I’ve heard an analysis from someone who claims to be trained in police restraint techniques. He says the action that looks like a head being slammed against the vending machine is in fact just the guys head moving forward as his arm is brought up behind his back. I couldn’t say myself as the footage is too grainy and I know nothing about police restraint techniques. But I think the point is that we don’t really know the full story from just a video, there needs to be a proper investigation that includes independent expert analysis of the events. The clearest evidence of abuse seems to be the kick to the head as the guy on the floor is pretty obviously subdued already.