Why Gerald R. Ford Aircraft Carriers Lost One Elevator?
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2022
- When you think of NASCAR, "speed" comes to mind. That is what the US Military also needs. But how NASCAR made its way onto an aircraft carrier, is #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT
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Now I want Tom Cruise to do a movie version of a carrier with a pit crew. Call it Top Gun: Days of Thunder
Imagine this becomes real!
@@simsimsimsim9145 Knowing Tom Cruise, I could very easily see this becoming real.
I am still waiting for the new Top Gun movie plus he was supposed to shoot a movie in space! When is this going to be?
Shake and bake !
Or it could just simply be called
"Thunder Gun".
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As a kid growing up in the 80's, the aircraft carrier was the COOLEST ship on the ocean!
as a teen growing up in the 2020s, the carrier is still the best boat out there😆
As a teen in the 2020's I love the look of battleships, but I also know they stand no chance to a aircraft carrier even of that period (if they were around).
Still the coolest
@@apex_blue If the stars aligned, I'd say a battleship could still sink a carrier. But alas the chances of such stars aligned are very few.
Still are
1:00 This was the moment I finally realized why elevators aren't perfect squares - That "corner" is for putting the aircraft's wing there. This is so genius yet so simple, how did I miss this for so long?!.
The lack of symmetry threw you off.
I am guessing you know of the creator Drachinifel. That image that he uses of USS Oregon in drydock for his drydock Q&A videos is like that. So many little things to overlook, like the guy up on the funnel. I must have seen it 40 times before someone commented on that particular guy, and now I can't ever not look for that guy.
It really is amazing what you can miss or not understand for whatever reason, even when you are staring at something time and again until for whatever reason, it pops out.
addendum: If you don't know that creator but like Naval history, I strongly recommend that you check him out.
@@whyjnot420 some of his stuff is a bit wordy, but the content is pretty historical and insightful.
Human elevators will soon follow suit with a bulge.
you mean 0:27?
A receipt in a premium package is basically an NFT
Hey if people buy it, it works
@@traumatizedgermansoldier3856 yeah, you can easily exploit it for quick money
Just an FYI, the queen Elizabeth does have elevators, they are just called lifts instead, for those of you in the comments being amazed that they have nothing to move planes up and down XD
Lmao it was a joke I think everyone should know this
You'd be surprised
@@SpiderpigThe everyone should yes, but not everyone does😭😂
man that briish joke got me badly😂👌
@Անաս Գոհոբուր yep, it is, just different names, hence the joke it hasn't got any elevators :))
Really appreciate the Apple reference. Well said and well put.
It makes deciding on a cell phone so much easier, since now a person only has to consider the phones that have a headphone jack.
Agreed! Much respect to the narrator
There's a lot to say here. 1) Running over fuel hoses is forbidden regardless of if they are full. 2) Nimitz class ships have fuel stations all over the port side. 3) We have always fueled, maintained and armed in the same spots if time and operations allowed it. 4) We generally try to taxi the aircraft to where that happens and minimize tractor moves. 5) Most of the time, elevators have nothing to do with sortie rate. All aircraft for the day's events are on the flight deck from the night before. We do most elevator traffic on nights.
but in a war scenario like for example in ww2 japan battle of midway they lost A LOT of time because their fighters were refueling/rearming in the hangar and they lost one of the 2 elevators on the Kaga, leading to catastrofic defeat because of it, but im sure our engineers know what they are doing with the design just some insght on what could happen if the unlikely happens.
@@lukasausen in those days they didn't have weapons elevators to bring the ordnance to the roof. Modern operations have come a long way. We use the hangar mostly for maintenance, either long or short term. Aircraft that won't be used for the day's flight schedule are sent below. A certain number of aircraft can be parked in positions we call "ready up" so that if something happens on the flight deck to one of the "event" aircraft, we can swap them out, but that isn't the norm. When the day's operations are over, the Handler, the CAG maintenance Chief, the Hangar crew and the flight deck crew all coordinate to move aircraft up/down to get ready for tomorrow. Let's say one of the planes on the flight deck reaches its hours limit. He will then need long term phase maintenance. The goal will be to get him into a hangar deck, "hard bury" spot because he'll be out of the game for a while. Maybe he just needs a quick repair of a faulty hydraulic actuator. A "soft bury" spot might be more appropriate there.
Just do games logic (rearming on air)
@@bread6951 man, that would be a perfect world. IRL those dang Hornets need a wing spread for access to those wing stations.
@@michaelmappin4425 You are 100% correct. Unless it’s an unusual circumstance (like when we drove through typhoon Fengshen in 2008 and all aircraft that could be put in the hangar were. The few that had to be left out had a spiderweb of 30+ chains ) ready aircraft or aircraft that require minimal maintenance are left on the deck. Only aircraft requiring moderate to major maintenance are usually brought down. GOD help you if you ever have to go immobile. Someone is constantly calling wanting to know when the aircraft will be mobile again.
I was a troubleshooter in VFA-22 with CAG-14 on the Reagan from 07-09 and did work ups on the Vinson in 2010 when they switched us to CAG-17. Haven’t been on a carrier since so the memory is a little foggy lol.
I don't get how you make such random topics so entertaining!
its not what you think
Generally speaking, only aircraft needing maintenance are in the Hanger, flight ready aircraft stay on the flight deck. Also eliminated was one arresting wire so now there are only 3. And the LOX farm may have been eliminated as I believe none of the supported aircraft use Oxygen Bottles anymore but use Oxygen Generators (much like what Spacecraft use).
Still four wires. 1, 2, 3a and 3b.
There have only been 3 Wires on each Carrier since the Reagan CVN 76.
I served onboard the USS Ranger CV-61. During the 1983 deployment. Ranger collided with USNS Wichita. Among other things, the starboard elevator foreword of the island, was badly damaged. The damage was not so obvious to crew members like myself. But afterwards the deck edged lift was WELDED in the up position, and never used again. It wasn't long, until a large aluminum shed was erected on that unused elevator. From 1983 on, Ranger, a Forrestal class carrier. Used only three elevators for the remainder of its service.
It's interesting that the new Gerald R. Ford class. Has only three deck edge elevators. Uncertain as to how wise this is. As a student of history, I know why the Forrestal class carriers were designed with 4 elevators. During WW-II, damaged elevators could have a big impact on aircraft service and maintenance. Some things just were not too practical or safe, to do on the flight deck. Some work has to be done in a hangar bay. All too often onboard older carriers. Damaged elevators greatly reduced the ability of the ship to operate, or service aircraft. So today an extra fourth elevator seems redundant. Yet, no hostile forces have managed to damage elevators onboard US Aircraft carriers since WW-II. I do understand why there are three elevators for the future US Navy carriers. We will see how wise this decision has been. As for the first time since WW-II, there is a Naval power potent enough to damage elevators onboard a US Navy aircraft carrier.
To be honest, this is so interesting and so satisfying at the same time to watch!
Indeed
A couple points I feel I have to point out -
- Wasp's deck edge elevator: The deck edge elevator had nothing to do with realizing the elevators being stuck down could be an issue, that was a lesson that wasn't learned till much later and adopted in to Essex and Midway class designs that came late/post war. The reason for USS Wasp's unique elevator is the limitations of the Washington Naval Treaty. They wanted to squeeze in an extra Yorktown class carrier within the tonnage. In order to do that they had to save tonnage and make it a bit smaller - so in order to have 3 elevators still the deck edge one was put in place in the most minimalist way possible.
- Forrestal's Elevators: It had the same issue as the Midway conversions for the same reasons - USS Forrestal and I believe the second of the class were both already under construction as axial deck carriers. Which to those unfamiliar is the name used for the CV's you see from WW2 and before with straight decks. The angle deck was added to the design late, and so while still under construction Forrestal was modified to have an angled deck - but that meant the elevator was at the front of it. For some reason, unlike the Midway conversions, that issue was never addressed (the Midway class CV's that had angled decks installed later had them moved to the back of the angled deck).
I served on the USS Midway and unlike her sister ships, had an angle deck so big it looked like a wing. Can someone explain that one oddity that no other aircraft carrier ever had.
I liked it because it made our ship unique. You’d never mix up the old Midway with any other carrier.
@@marksauck3399 Midway underwent a rebuild in the 60's that lengthened the angle deck among other changes that made it a bit more similar to the John F Kennedy Class (when viewed from above) in terms of base layout and deck shaping. However - in the end doing that cost almost as much as the JFK so it was decided to not make the same change to the sisters, and the look is somewhat more pronounced on Midway because it was an older, smaller carrier that it was all added onto (having been built with a straight deck only originally) it gives it more the look of a huge wing. When you look at Midway bow on from elevation - you can really see the original design and layout but with the big old wing added to it. The reason it wouldn't look as big on the JFK and other carriers - the fact they were bigger ships with those angle decks designed from the start so even when roughly the same size they appear smaller.
I never knew they used chains for tie downs. Totally makes sense seeing as how much those ships can bank on the ocean.
Try 100 mph winds in a storm. 50 foot sea swells. That is just transit. Public gets mad when expensive hardware is blown over.
Fun fact. It’s the queens platinum jubilee today. I get a day off school in celebration of another year for the longest reigning monarch ever.
It actually makes a ton of sense. Nascar is not purely won on driver skill. It's won through sheer efficiency and luck. You don't know when a tire is going to blow or something, but the efficiency with which you can get the car back on the track is what wins the race. That is definitely a mindset that can be scaled up to carriers. There are other races they should consider looking at for inspiration. Like the 24hr endurance races.
"And also, historically the British love islands." 😂😂😂
You just keep setting them up and knocking them down !:-)
I was waiting for the “bada boom, bata bing”
"Don't be sad this is how things work out sometimes"
I'm not over confident, I'm just better than everyone else
Thanks Jack
Hi! By chance could you do a video on how chaff and flares get launched and how they work?
I think he did already...if it wasn't him I must've seen a video about em from someone else
He already did
I absolutely love all the humor and jabs throughout your videos.
I am an Apple fan sometimes an little bit pissed about some extremely bad jokes about some things, but this joke was just gold.
Apple used to be the good guy, the tiny company going up against microsoft, now Apple is what microsoft used to be and as such being an apple fan just makes you a corporte scumbag.
I fucking died when he said "historically the British love islands"
RIP.
@@NotWhatYouThink could you please do something about Austria sometimes??? Would love to see it
Thank you for sharing this information.
Great job mate, that's a interesting information about this aircraft carrier. I like it. Keep it up what you're doing mate.😄
Wow... Amazing work... And wonderful presentation... 👍👍
I love NASCAR thank you for making mention of the sport in your video!!!!
lol i thought this vid was abt how a NASCAR crew refueled, changed tires and rearmed an aircraft in 3 seconds
Love your videos, and the new style!
Really liking this new format.
You really had me for a second there when you said the British don’t use elevators
Your videos are hands down the best on the internet, but it's not what you think, because they are the best period. 😊
Having been in the Navy and on the first supercarrier (USS Midway) I need to correct your statement that the flight deck is the most dangerous place in the world. According to the Navy ever since WWII more flight deck sailors have died or have been injured in automobile collisions than on the flight deck. (the flight deck is a LOT safer now than it was back then)
Thats probably true- but I had an SK1 on my ship that had previously been an aviation rate- until he was tumbled across the deck, missed the net, and went overboard from jet blast, and spent about 9mos recovering from the injuries. To be fair, he obviously did somthing dumb to earn that epic voyage. But still, much admiration to all those flight deck folks who perform and survive that dangerous ballet daily...!!!
Are you related to the general?
I get your point but let's look at this another way.
I also served on the Theodore Roosevelt and what you say is true in that more sailors probably have died in auto accidents (I'd be curious what number were NOT alcohol related) but that fact doesn't negate the fact that it is still one of the most dangerous environments to work in. It's never "safe" up on the roof but this danger has been mitigated by 70+ years of angled deck operations and hard lessons learned in blood and death. These lessons, along with constant training, and (let's say it shipmates) 'Attention To Detail' is what makes survivability high, affords relative safety, and incidents low. Comparatively speaking, yes the flight deck is a lot "safer" now, (probably safer than when I was on the TR in the early 90s') but what's missing is the context. You have multiple fixed and rotary aircraft running, jet blasts, intakes and props spinning, fuel everywhere, open hatches, aircraft moving around sometimes inches from each other, live ordinance, huffer hoses to trip over, and people running around. Compound this danger in orders of magnitude at night where an unseen open hatch and shadows will really F with your head. Been there, done that, have the scars to prove it. Or you can be cruising down the road at 75MPH surrounded by airbags and crumple zones. Then the question arises; Which is more Potentially dangerous?
@@chrisneumann4202 A little more nuance is probably in order. It isn't the most dangerous place in the world, but it is possibly the most dangerous work environment. The Navy has a great record at making dangerous environments safer. (How many civilian nuclear accidents have you heard of vs. Navy? At least 4 civilian to 0 Navy) One has to keep one's head on a swivel on the flight deck even when flight ops are not in progress. I recall one evening when I was walking from the island to the balloon room, where I was a radiosonde operator, and almost walking off the edge of the flight deck as I was trying to avoid Tilly (the mobile crash crane) while it was being moved.
@@richinoregon You're right in the clarification in that it's the most dangerous work environment.
I worked primarily nights on the roof and once walked right into an open deckwell hatch and hit my shin so hard I thought I broke it. Then another time I was carrying a heavy piece of aircraft equipment on my shoulder and walked right into the leading edge of an F/A-18 wing, breaking the bridge of my nose. None of these small incidents were done during flight ops, but they were at night. That's what I meant by shadows messing with your head.
Carrier operations: *exists*
Not What You Think: NASCAR!
Not going to lie as a nascar fan and aviation enthusiast I liked this episode
All the jokes in this were great. Definitely earned my sub.
The John F Kennedy CV-67 had 4 elevators but EL 3 behind the island was rarely used.
Can comfirm! The 4 years I was VF-14 I never saw EL 3 used to move aircraft and only time it was ever lowered was in port...
When I was on the TR CVN-71 in VA-65 we rarely used EL 3 either. About the only thing that space was ever used for was parking tow tractors, other deck equipment, and the occasional hot spare.
Love your sense of humor.
I love how these videos make carrier ops so complicated. As a Navy carrier vet (USS Forrestal), we did this every day without all of your drama. Carrier vet's ROCK ! We conduct the safest operations of any aviation ops anywhere on the planet. GO NAVY ! 🫡 🇺🇸
If sorte rate is the standard then the Gerald Ford is the winner. It has the ability to turn planes around faster regardless of the lack of an extra elevator.
Very slick I-phone dig at the start. :P
I loved the joke about crapple. Soon giving a receipt in a box :D Priceless!
I was on the Forrestal in the late 80s. We only used two of the 4 deck edge elevators.
It is knowledgeable video. I liked it.
1:09 "Soon the only thing we'll receive is a receipt, but in a premium package." LOL
Good video, BZ.
love the cheeky comments about the queen and brits
That’s some funny stuff. Well done
It really is somewhat ridiculous to see the island being moved into position by a crane. I don't mean it is stupid or fake, it is just incredible to see that being moved into position. Even if it has none of what will be installed later on, it is just crazy to watch things like that.
Yea the modular construction techniques used by shipbuilders is so much more efficient that building from the keel up.
Queen Elizabeth class carriers even went to sea without both islands. The components were built in different locations and the islands were attached after moving the hull around by sea.
"which would negatively impact flight deck operations." This is the humor I subscribed for 😂
“Receipt in a premium package” 🤣
Don’t give Mr. Cook any ideas. 😅
This man seems to roast everything except the carrier 😭😂
I love how he roasted apple lol
We are hoping to encourage roasting fruits 🤓
I served on the Forrestal. They never used the port side elevator and only used 2 on the starboard side.
Good video
Let's get it right. The oval is what's so inspiring about the tracks.
I love this guy’s voice!
It’s like a Simpson’s construct of a far Eastern Charles Bronson.
Superb.
your sarcasm and humor are EPIC! ROFL!!! 👍👍👍👍👊👊👊👊👊
0:40 rip the little cart
Aewsome ❤️
When you wanna make some cool trolled videos but your parents force you to make videos on aircraftcarriers
"Soon the only thing we'll recieve is a reciept but in a premium package"
Already exist and it's fkin NFTs, how long until Apple jump on that shltwagon too ?
I love the British jokes! Keep up the good work, man!
*It's not what you think intensifies*
that f4 phantom was hot
Love it 🤓👍
Whats the name of model in comment above my head she's bad af
@@givemeyoursocks915 click on the link and ask her 🤣
Amazing cool
The Rockafeller Theater also had an innovation which the US Navy would adopt into their aircraft carrier, the hydraulic lift. In the theater the hydraulic lift was invented to raise performers into the stage with a spectacular flare.
4:13 man is truly happy
"...and also, historically, the British love islands!"
I'm dying, haha!
Now that we have pit stops on aircraft carriers, let’s get racing 🏁. Whoever deploys many sorties in a 24hours period, wins a trophy 🏆.
That’s a world of my dreams 😁.
QE with 10 f35b jumping on deck doing "sorties" would easily win
When you cut the Navy's budget this happens. Then no WiFi.
Angry like for the Elevator-Lift joke lmao !
Awsome
The last person i was expecting to take a jibe at Apple.
I think the title of the video should center around that pitstop comparison between formula 1 and military, it may interest people more than its current title. I only clicked because I know the channel and am an avid consumer of your long videos, but the question in the title didn't seem interesting, while the first few seconds of the vid instantly grabbed my attention : "pitstops, on an aircraft carrier, seems mental ! wtf you say it already exist ??" (reenactment of my live reaction for exemple purposes) boom I'm hooked and want to see it all now.
Thanks for your feedback. The original title/thumbnail was something along the lines you were saying. We have been experimenting with other titles/thumbnails. Let's see how the new one does :-)
Because he's reaching new American audiences with this title. Alot of people love Nascar here in the US and the video is about a US ship so.... , It's fitting .
What could happens if they took inspiration from F1 pitstops ?
Tires get replaced in 5 seconds while in midair
F1 is basically take as many people and make them do individual task to end up with the fastest time possible. Which wouldn’t work for carrier when there isn’t that much crew so in the long run it would just too inefficient.
@@apex_blue if the planes get so expensive, that the number of planes will be the limiting factor, than reusing the same plane the fastest time will be a good idea
@@thorin1045 Well the things is that if you have more people than more space is taken up by those people, so either you increase the size of the ship or decrease the number of planes. Yes it’s going to longer, but you got to do it efficiently, you can’t brute force it with raw numbers.
@@apex_blue as is said earlier, the f1 method works only if the planes are the limiting factor, like in f1, you have only one car, so the cost of the number of people and whatnot irrelevant. in nascar and indy, it is ruled out as option, so they use however many people and whatnot allowed. So, all fall down the number of planes, when the planes start to worth more than the entire carrier, you will be limited by planes, so you will even get larger carrier to service that single plane.
Good video. I loved the iPhone crack 😄
I hated it lol
Love it when NWUT bashes iPhone. Kudos on NWUT
man just started roasting apple out of nowhere
It only makes sense. Combat is an emergency, and during an emergency you don't take the elevator, you take the stairs.
I do miss the Lincoln (2 Deployments)...and only a handful of people.
We don't need no fargin' elevators, we got LIFTS!! ROFLMAO
When he just finished trolling iphone and returned to video, but then he said, now that you think about it......god... the trolling has just begin
"but it is not what you think", roll credits!
Fun fact, the elevators are pumped _down_ and that energy is stored in hydraulic accumulators to push them back up.
Also that grape at 0:44 appears to be gorgeous!
Bro , youtube does not want me to watch your videos , they keep recommending the other content creators that do the same as you but oncourse not with your mesmerizing voice
Well, they will recommend others of course! But do you get our notifications also? 😉
Was the apple part necessary 😅😅💔
After that bit about iPhones, I had to make sure I was still subscribed and liked the video
This man can make a 8 minute video into a movie
Both are just going in circles
Since i start watching this channel. I stopped thinking hahahaha
Probably
Better quality, more space for storing aircraft at deck
That shitty British elevator joke. That got me so good and I couldn’t stop laughing.
"They both go fast and can kill"
Before having watched the video: is it the position of the lines where the cars stop and the angled flightdeck?
I just love how low key he was dissin on the latest iphone series
Interesting
I'm wondering how much footage you have of air craft carriers on your computer :)
Enough to make NSA interested perhaps?
0:40 I am really bummed I didn't get to see the test cart launched into the bay
All that power and 1 big wave makes it look like a giant metal dingy.
2:58
Does that make them island boys?