Almost done now. I only have 2 episodes left. Such great acting and very well told story. I did start the 2017 movie “ My Best Friend Dahmer”. But i paused it and decided to finish this first.
@@danitaaaas yes definitely and she was chronicly depressed and didn’t want to be pregnant . All of those negative feelings transfers over to the kid. On top of that the fighting and him watching his moms many suicide attempts . My God!! We need to be better America !
Why get pregnant if you don’t even want to be? According do lionel she took 26 pills a day. But how honest is he really?.. I keep seeing people commenting that dad is a liar
People take their kids for granted thinking things will settle without too much involvement of their own, so they send them to sports practice, music schools, just to let someone else deal with them instead of themselves. Kids get to meet and hang out with people their parents don't know anything about, or their families. So they go through puberty without the family having any idea about their convictions, identity or values, like sexual orientation, ideology, social circles etc. And when the daughter ends up pregnant at 18 or the son turns into a drug addict/serial killer/school bully, they act all surprised. I have no sympathy at all, parenting takes pedagogical talent. Just because your ovaries work, doesn't imply you'll make a good mother.
No, it's not the parenting. Psychopathy is something you're born with. It's a brain defect where you brain doesn't have mirror neurons and you can't feel empathy. Yes, some humans are born "evil", kind of like reptiles or spiders. They're more like insects than humans, in that they do not feel or sense anything around other living beings. They feel the same way about you as they feel about a grain of sand on a beach
When they say “we didn’t KNOW…..” says it all, they were completely absent parents that weren’t involved in their sons life without giving him love, guidance and all the things it means to be a parent. Left to basically raise himself without normal human connection he was more like an animal…spending his life hunting and killing!! should be a great example of what happens when people have children who shouldn’t !! We’re the only living creatures on the planet that senselessly kill our own kind!!
in regards to the last statement animals unquestionably kill members of their species, all the time. Male lions slaughter all the cubs when they join a new pride; rival ant colonies of the same species fight bloody wars; chimpanzees have been shown to kill each other at similar per capita rates to humans. So unfortunately this kind of senseless violence is engrained in the core of nature.
I agree 100% with your absentee parents statement. As with the parents of younger gang members Ide like to see them held equally criminally responsible for the misdeeds of their kids.
The scene when they tell his father in the docuseries made me so sad. I’m sure his parents made mistakes but his dad’s pain was palpable. He couldn’t conceive that it was real but he knew it was. Poor guy, I’m glad he openly acknowledged signs that he wish he saw. Bless them despite their mistakes, they didn’t deserve to have a son like that…
A lack of nurture and a father that helped him dissect dead animals, taking drives to find road kill.. When a child has a macabre interest in death and hurting animals that shouldn't be encouraged. That was a warning sign. They failed him and created a monster.
I feel really bad for the victims and their families. Just atrocious. Monstrous. Sheer evil. His father I feel sympathy for, but this is what can occur when you emotionally neglect your children.
I get the whole raising the kid thing . But I don’t feel sorry for him I’m glad he got what he got he was a sick human being . They enabled him so much even as a adult . He was going to do it anyway he was a sick and nasty man.
@@roxannecarswell4387 He deserved exactly what befell him. He would’ve kept killing till his knees and back gave out so he could no longer drag the bodies away to hide them. ( basically kept killing into his old age) SMDH
They deserve no sympathy. The fact you even said that just makes my blood boil. MONSTERS like his family should be burned beyond recognition. You appealing to that thing is just as disgusting as Dauhmer himself.
I don’t feel bad for the dad, I think they knew there was something wrong with him. Even if he didn’t know he was murdering people he still had multiple offenses before that
I feel Netflix gave him what he wanted in the end.. Notoriety. Netflix have portrayed him to be some nice guy who got lost somehow because his parents divorced?? I have known some children to go through much worse including being exposed to sexual abuse but they have not gone out to commit these kind of crimes. They are portraying that this is combination of learning about road kill and being abandoned at the age of 17 (an adult in the US) but I think there may have been some underlying Mental Health condition that has not been picked up.
After looking at this and the new series on Netflix I think the alleged mental illness of his mother should be researched more. His father admitted he had some sick fantasies but what about the mother? It was written in the movie how she was on pills for anxiety and bipolar activity and how the dad blamed her for their son turning out bad? Too sad
Maybe the meds during pregnancy played a role, maybe witnessing his mother's episodes, outbursts, or suicide attempts played a role, but not her mental illnesses in themselves, because he was never diagnosed with any mental illness, he didn't get any mental health condition from his mother. Bipolar disorder and many more are genetic
@@eloise5348 oh yeah you can pretty much guarantee complex ptsd from the daily stress of a parent who barely seems to care how you feel.. also more and more research is finding that adverse childhood events (including emotional neglect and extended periods away from parents) significantly increase inheritable psych conditions like schizophrenia, PTSD and bipolar to be triggered later in life.. as well as pretty much every personality disorder
So is the whole teaching Jeffrey Dahmer about taxidermy, driving him around to find roadkill to dissect another false fact about his dad in the Netflix series?
jeffrey dahmer was drinking every day and when he needed his parents the most they weren’t there for him. i am in no way saying this was their fault but i feel like a lot could have been prevented.
Jeffery dahmer worked at the ambrosia chocolate factory in Milwaukee. They are known to make the chocolate chips for chips ahoy and other cookies. He would take a mummified head and keep it in his locker. I ate a lot of chips ahoy around that time!!!!
Good for him, this father, for finding a way to help the future of our world in hopefully a positive way, by using his voice and public interest in him to use this negative horrible situation to help others in the future potentially stopping child becoming a violent adult... We won't really ever be able to know which parent heard his interviews and took note& possibly steered their kid down a different path, which they wouldn't have had the tools to do if they didn't listen to this .. Good for him
all yall feeling sorry for his parents are wild. his mom clearly put drugs before him, and both parents exposed him to psycological abuse at a young age. his mom took 27 pills every day during her pregnancy.
Unfortunately back then, prescription meds were given out to pregnant women, it wasn't like it is today where doctors won't let you take painkillers and benzos while pregnant. His brain was affected before he was even born. Then add to that a head injury, neglect, alcoholism, possibly sexual abuse, isolation...so many factors.
@@victoriadime9057 The dad didn't abandoned him. He was court ordered to leave the house after the divorce. I don't know why y'all are blaming the mom for getting extremely sick while pregnant and struggling with her mental health. Times were different back then and doctors didn't know the potential dangers of prescribing so much medication to a pregnant woman.
@@Foxfire8787 he did have a head injury as a child, a tbi. This is according to an interview with his father. As far as sexual abuse, I find it a red flag when someone is asked, "did you abuse your son?" and the response is "not physically"...Huge red flag. That's why I said "possible"... Don't tell me what I can and can't bring up. Have a good night.
What a totally generalized statement - if your child is shy, dig into why they are acting shy. If every child out there who was shy became a monster, we would all be in the worst kind of trouble. That was a BS statement to make.
Millions of people text while driving and most get away with it without incident. But if your kid kills or is killed because of texting, you bet your ass you're going to tell everyone a hundred times about the evils of distracted driving. Point is, he's pretty freaking motivated to say these things and you have absolutely no concept of it. You can't think about why people say or do things that you yourself might not say or do.
@@robinsumlin9369 It's better to be safe than sorry, it's risky driving while distracted, just as it's risky to leave your quiet, shy and possibly lonely child alone thinking they'll just grow out of it and become normal without intervention.
Honestly, Lionel Dahmer is FULL of it. He DIDN'T speak to his son, and try and help him come out of his shell etc. Why? Because the same time as Dahmer's Mum went off (taking his younger brother with her), Lionel was off with his new girlfriend! And Jeffery was all alone in a house in the middle of nowhere. Lionel LOVES to blame Jeffery's Mother for EVERYTHING, saying she had mental health issues, her pregnancy was abnormal, saying that she would "foam at the mouth, like a DOG", having "seizures", he wrote an entire book throwing Joyce Dahmer under the bus. Hmm, now Why would a man do that to his EX-Wife?... The truth is, Lionel Dahmer was an emotionless robot who was Just as checked out of Jeffery's life as his wife was. But the difference is that HE wrote a book about it, and because he was a MAN, and a 'Professional', having a PhD, whereas she was a Woman, a Stay-at-home Mum, who had mental health issues, and because she died relatively early on in the case, and Lionel outlived her and could go on every documentary from then until now, HE got to set the narrative. And thus it's Joyce Dahmer's fault for Everything, it's laughable
I know that’s what’s going on with this con man. He’s acting like he’s perfect and of course it’s always, 100% of the time that woman you know. This liar is a typical man and refuses to accept any accountability or responsibility for what his son became. That’s a red flag 🚩. He acts like a dead robot too. Yeah sure, hes Mr. Perfect. I call BS.
@@NiceButBites I watched the full trial of Jeffrey Dahmer and one the phycologist mentions it. It is also mentioned in the book the shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer.
There are many people who have way worse parents but they didn't do this. I'm so uncomfortable with the responsibility left on these two people even if they were bad parents nobody chooses this.
The dad is docile, he let dahmer get away with too much and undoubtedly because he is emotionally weak and naive he likely never disciplined him either, the box story shows how weak of a father he was to Jeff.
His hormones were raging at age 12 to 13?? Ummm... a shy child is not necessarily a monster in the making. This dad has skeletons in his closet sorta speak and his son lived them out... it’s truly horrifying.
He had no clue? Bull, I watched this video, I heard him speak over an over about all the things Jeffery did, the drinking, the reclusive behaviour, being critically shy, finding dead animals and having his way with their dead carcasses, layers of debauchery! And then saying he didn't know until later on, bull!! His father is and was a pacifist! A creature that just didn't have anytime for his own kids!! Ranting about Jeffery sex drive and how his hormones were raging!! Give me a break! His father saw many red flags and did nothing!! Bc all he care about was himself!! After his wife left him to " find herself" the bed didn't stay cold long with this new squeeze! And she's just as empty headed as he is!! Oh well, guess it doesn't matter now his son is dead, this could of all been prevented! I mean we all make mistakes in life we're not perfect parents , wives, husbands, and so on, but this is over the top!! I blame his father and selfish mother!!
Why wouldn’t he allow his brain to be tested? To me I feel that these interviews are about the money. He had an opportunity to have his brain researched wouldn’t that have really given a bigger insight as well as the behaviour red flags?
@@Foxfire8787 I have read in a few books about Dahmer that he did. Unfortunately it was a few years ago now so I can't remember which ones specifically, but it stuck with me.
@@Foxfire8787 OK, but I have definitely read this years ago, because I vividly remember thinking it was so weird. That was long before this show was even thought of, so i got it from somewhere then. If it's true or not, I can't say, but it's in a book or two.
He had a severe mixed-personality disorder with a sexually-disordered component, but these didn’t make him legally insane or not responsible. Personality disorders seem to form from the interaction of a biological vulnerability/predisposition, with the environment (including but not limited to emotional and psychological neglect and trauma) during childhood & adolescence. Pent-up conflict, confusion, hurt, low self-esteem, aggression etc, that he suppressed and couldn’t/didn’t want to properly deal with. His probation officer suggested that he call a gay hotline. He was so far gone, he needed much more than that.
This dude is trying to find an easy way out. Saying because Jeffrey was a loner and shy created him to be a serial killer and a cannibal is a cop out. I learned behind every narcissist who lacks empathy, compassion and social awareness is a person that enabled their behavior. There were many signs (constantly getting fired, discharged from the military, killing animals, can’t keep a job) that he had issues but I think our society has a “boys will be boys” attitude and think they’ll “grow out of it”
Nobody is going to say that he is an exemplary father, but seriously it is quite disgusting how there are people who literally also call for his head, totally convinced that he is also guilty of those deaths, despite the fact that he several times assumed responsibility for his son. But that is quite different from wanting to blame him for the 17 deaths as well.
I would be too ashamed to go on tv and talk about my kid if they did something like that. I think his dad is very narcissistic and had no regard for the victims and their families
The dad did Taxidermy on roadkill with him.Also, there's nothing abnormal about kids being shy.The dad is a piece of work, and so is the mom.They made a lot of money on books and interviews.
Shit, I clipped my Yorkies nail too close and it bled. I literally freaked out and started crying. I saw her be so calm in my boyfriends arms as I felt like shit worried I caused her pain. My BF had to calm me and remind me she's not crying or trying to resist. But man, my heart sank . I can't imagine hurting animals
We are missing something. Jeffreys ex boyfriend said Jeffrey had said his father sexually abused him until he was 16. That would make everything make sense.... How on Earth could a father not know his son has multiple decomposing bodies in his house? If he is as active and commited as a father as he says he is to the media, he should have had some idea of his son's state of living. If he was a chemist he would have identified the smell of decomposing flesh instantly, from the apartment. Looks to me like Mr Dahmer SNR abandoned his young son and ran away/turned a blind eye to clear mental health issues.
They were horrible parents They started caring wayyy too late Also his father literally helped him gather dead animals to show him how to strip the flesh off the bones cause he was some sort of scientist
He probably showed him how to put them in chemical solutions too. He was a chemist. I know this guy isn’t as innocent as he’s trying to con us into believing. 🙄
Hmm...well his dad was very religious and in the stone Phillips interview said he didn't accept homosexuality... and if yiu kbow tge story like i do..dahmers first victim was in 78..outta highschool....and from there he found god wheh he moved in with his grandmother in west allis Wisconsin....but he fell inti going to bathhouses drugging ppl...and by 87 was back to killing..from there he went on his spree killing 15 more men till he was caught... i was 18 in 1991 when they caught him....ill never ever forget this story....
John Balcerzak and his partner Joseph Gabrish should be ashamed of themselves. I still can't believe that they sent the injured/naked victim right back into the killer's residence. It's beyond sick. How can anyone trust these two police officers again?
Worst part? They not only got rehired after being fired. They got prizes for being great police officers, and also got rehired and got paid for the time they got fired, because they sued the department.
I really feel bad for his father. I do think he loved his son and wanted what was best for him. I really could tell he wanted to go back in time and stop his son and intervene.
KOHF34 I have met his father several times, he comes into the grocery store I used to work at. He seems to be doing well, I miss waiting on him in the deli. He's such a cute old man.
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." - "Jesus"
'My Friend Dahmer' is a great read. His parents always put themselves before their son. They never noticed he was drinking all day every day, they never noticed he had no true friends, they both abandoned him - his mother even taking his younger brother and leaving him alone for months in the family home after making him promise not to tell his absent father she'd gone. Truly terrible parents.
The dad was court ordered to leave the house after the divorce. The mom was supposed to stay at the house with the kids. She asked Jeffrey if he wanted to come but he said no because he was about to start college soon.
The saddest part is he knew something was wrong with him (probably not to the extent that it was) he just didn’t know what to do. Hindsight is awful sometimes.
@UFC news and Lori Vallow Daybell Dingbell dumbell Sounds like you lack in empathy. Bringing pain into others that don’t deserve it is evil no matter what you think the definition is.
I genuinely feel that if you are in a position where you can take a conscious decision of having children but you may find it hard to raise them for whatever reason please consider not having any. It's better to be childless than being bad parents imo.
I agree. I have two kids under the age of two. There isn’t a moment of the day where it’s easy. That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have them or that they’re going to turn out to be serial killers. If you think parenting is easy then you’ve obviously not been around kids much.
I kind of agree. However, as a parent to 2 kids now I tell you that you can not know if you are truly ready or not prior to having them. But what I can say is, before having kids you have to have your head in the right place. What that means is you must be ready to do everything within your power to raise that kid, to do what's right by that kid for and society. Cause nothing, i tell absolutely nothing prepares you completely for parenthood. You may have your finances right, be in good health, very knowledgable about stuff and all that but that isn't enough to be a good parent. You have to have the will to do what is rightly needed regardless of how things may play out
Because of the police negligence in ghetto areas. And it’s a true injustice those two police officers that were called for one of his fourteen year old victims did nothing and to this day were never punished for their crimes.
@@missinterpretation4984 yeah especially since he was the younger brother of one of Jeffrey’s victims he molested. Can’t imagine what the family and brother must have felt.
The father really breaks my heart, in a recent interview he was saying how he sent a letter to a judge begging him not to release jeffrey and he started crying while reading it ...i dont know, this case is sad on so many levels.
You are sick that is clear , his son tortured killed 2 children and other 13 people and his father was supporting him all time thats evil and sick and you are to if you feel sad they would do the same to you and you child , they dont have sorry for the victims they have sorry for them self you must be the most evil or dumbest person on earth.
@@Mrbeg27 you're the dumb shit here. His father loved him but didn't want him to be released. Learn how to read dumbfuck. He feels sad for Jeffrey's father, not for Jeffrey
Shyness has nothing to do with it. Millions of people are shy and don't do this. Jeffrey was a psychopath, and there is not much anyone can do but get psychiatric counseling once that is expected, usually when it's too late. This was all genetics. Shyness might be but one of many many symptoms, but don't automatically single someone out because they are quiet and shy, it would be stereotyping. What Lionel is not telling you, and what Jeffrey was very disappointed in is father when he wrote the book and disclosed was that Jeffrey's mother was schizophrenic, and she passed those bad genes down to Jeffrey.
@@secretunknown253 I have an idea what a psycopath is, but I don't understand the depths of it because I'm not a psychiatrist obviously, so get over yourself!
@@tjc958 I don't think I ever recalled saying that schizophrenia and psychopathy are the same. I think what happened is that ppl misunderstood what I was saying. A schizophrenic is very sick, hears voices, very delusional and usually don't work; a psychopath, on the other hand, can be very organized and intelligent, but lack empathy and moral compass. Psychopaths can be CEO's of companies, whereas a schizophrenic person never could. You can take a psychopath like Ted Bundy who was very organized and intelligent but a serial killer nontheless. I've never heard of a schizophrenic who was a serial killer, and schizophrenics are mostly harmless, so I do have a small grasp on what I'm talking about, but I don't know the true depths of psychopathy because I haven't studied it in great detail.
Pllm30 yeah all I was saying is that you said his mom passed down her bad genes from her having schizophrenia, but her having schizophrenia wouldn’t affect Ted bundy in any way other than making home more likely to have schizophrenia. If it was genetic then it could’ve been just as likely to be from his dads side of the family
@@retro_alex I agree. She was nuts. I think even before the drugs she took, she was predisposed to mental illness. Postpartum and drugs just exacerbated it.
Cleetis McDougall they fought all the time while they were getting divorced, and Jeffrey's dad really made him mentally ill, both knew he was gay and didn't support him
Holy cow after watching Dahmer, they seriously nailed the actor playing his father. They almost sound 1:1 in their voices and speech pattern.
I was looking for this comment. Its a 100% spot on
To me, it was the best performance of the series. Evan Peters nailed it, of course, but Richard Jenkins was PERFECT
@@bramiwami richard jenkins is truly amazing in anything i’ve seen him in
@@dicephalousss absolutely!
Hes a great actor. He was in CABIN IN THE WOODS too. Check that one.
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Mackenzie Colwell lmao I read your comment before I actually saw where it came from. had me cracking...lol
As I read your comment he said “💩Burty”
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juan camaney SAME WTF
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he actor that played the Dad deserves an Emmy. he even got the same voice
Pretty much exactly, just about to comment that
It’s the dad from step brothers
@@ngcclips601 boats and hoes
No cause I thought this exactly!
why are you locals only finding about this now
I feel deeply bad for his father, I can not imagine the pain, the guilt and the remorse he went through
He has no one to blame for himself, I feel worse for the victims family then I ever will for their parents.
@@em.5941 I feel for both parties, and I am glad that I can feel like that
@@irenemiller good for you, I hope that guilt lives on his heart for as long as the victims families are forced to suffer with their losses.
@@em.5941 🤷♀️
Honestly you shouldn’t, they had a bigger role in how dahmer became who he did than you think
This new Netflix show is extremely well done, in my opinion.
Binge watched like 8 episodes . My girlfriend told me to sleep on the couch cuz I’m sick 😭😭
Almost done now. I only have 2 episodes left. Such great acting and very well told story. I did start the 2017 movie “ My Best Friend Dahmer”. But i paused it and decided to finish this first.
I’m not easily shocked, have watched my share of horror films, but this Netflix Dahmer series was very hard to watch
The father is so obnoxious there with his books deals and etc tryna milk the story as much as he can and also disregarding the victims like dude wtf
@@lolacookie453 EXACTLY. I couldn’t make it past the second episode. Deeply disturbing.
Pooberty is a rough time..
Ebony 93 Be white. White is a good thing.
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@@benchlumperdude6487 are you okay?
@@davoid96 lol
The mother was on 26 pills while she was pregnant with him!! My GOD
The pills probably messed up his psychological development
@@danitaaaas yes definitely and she was chronicly depressed and didn’t want to be pregnant . All of those negative feelings transfers over to the kid. On top of that the fighting and him watching his moms many suicide attempts . My God!! We need to be better America !
Why get pregnant if you don’t even want to be?
According do lionel she took 26 pills a day. But how honest is he really?.. I keep seeing people commenting that dad is a liar
@@foxxycat he is if you watch different interviews of him contradicting what he previously said in a separate interview.
People take their kids for granted thinking things will settle without too much involvement of their own, so they send them to sports practice, music schools, just to let someone else deal with them instead of themselves. Kids get to meet and hang out with people their parents don't know anything about, or their families. So they go through puberty without the family having any idea about their convictions, identity or values, like sexual orientation, ideology, social circles etc. And when the daughter ends up pregnant at 18 or the son turns into a drug addict/serial killer/school bully, they act all surprised. I have no sympathy at all, parenting takes pedagogical talent. Just because your ovaries work, doesn't imply you'll make a good mother.
I’m so glad to see there is still people with sense. If you aren’t a parent yet, you will definitely be a great one !
I agree. Jeff’s parents are somewhat accountable for what he became. And it’s really sad 🥺
No, it's not the parenting. Psychopathy is something you're born with. It's a brain defect where you brain doesn't have mirror neurons and you can't feel empathy. Yes, some humans are born "evil", kind of like reptiles or spiders. They're more like insects than humans, in that they do not feel or sense anything around other living beings. They feel the same way about you as they feel about a grain of sand on a beach
@Optic Flow Couldn’t agree more my friend
@Optic Flow Couldn’t agree more my friend
Today's date is 01/23/2021. Larry King passed away early this morning. Rest In Peace Larry.
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Damn that’s crazy say chesse ain’t post that
When they say “we didn’t KNOW…..”
says it all, they were completely absent parents that weren’t involved in their sons life without giving him love, guidance and all the things it means to be a parent.
Left to basically raise himself without normal human connection he was more like an animal…spending his life hunting and killing!!
should be a great example of what happens when people have children who shouldn’t !!
We’re the only living creatures on the planet that senselessly kill our own kind!!
in regards to the last statement animals unquestionably kill members of their species, all the time. Male lions slaughter all the cubs when they join a new pride; rival ant colonies of the same species fight bloody wars; chimpanzees have been shown to kill each other at similar per capita rates to humans. So unfortunately this kind of senseless violence is engrained in the core of nature.
I agree 100% with your absentee parents statement. As with the parents of younger gang members Ide like to see them held equally criminally responsible for the misdeeds of their kids.
Im glad i went through puberty and not pooberty cause then i would of ended up like ol jeffery
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Pooberty? Huh? Help me with this one
@@Theodore81547 the dad said pooberty in the video instead of puberty
ed kemper said it too a few times xD
The scene when they tell his father in the docuseries made me so sad. I’m sure his parents made mistakes but his dad’s pain was palpable. He couldn’t conceive that it was real but he knew it was. Poor guy, I’m glad he openly acknowledged signs that he wish he saw. Bless them despite their mistakes, they didn’t deserve to have a son like that…
The blood is in their hands, parents, cops and everyone else that failed the victims
Or maybe you can believe in something called accountability and Jeffrey Dahmer himself killed those people. It's a foreign concept today apparently.
Nope only Jeffrey and the cops
Childhood development is a serious thing.
Lionel seems excited to tell these things- he’s got everyone’s attention to tell us he knew nothing but understands everything 🙄
A lack of nurture and a father that helped him dissect dead animals, taking drives to find road kill.. When a child has a macabre interest in death and hurting animals that shouldn't be encouraged. That was a warning sign. They failed him and created a monster.
From what I understand the father was a chemist and he mistook Jeffrey's interest in road kill as a sign that he could be a biologist
I feel really bad for the victims and their families. Just atrocious. Monstrous. Sheer evil. His father I feel sympathy for, but this is what can occur when you emotionally neglect your children.
I get the whole raising the kid thing . But I don’t feel sorry for him I’m glad he got what he got he was a sick human being . They enabled him so much even as a adult . He was going to do it anyway he was a sick and nasty man.
@@roxannecarswell4387 He deserved exactly what befell him. He would’ve kept killing till his knees and back gave out so he could no longer drag the bodies away to hide them. ( basically kept killing into his old age) SMDH
They deserve no sympathy. The fact you even said that just makes my blood boil. MONSTERS like his family should be burned beyond recognition. You appealing to that thing is just as disgusting as Dauhmer himself.
This is not a normal thing that happens in response to moderate neglect.
i struggle to do the same. you almost have to try to raise a serial killer necrophiliac.
I don’t feel bad for the dad, I think they knew there was something wrong with him. Even if he didn’t know he was murdering people he still had multiple offenses before that
for sure ,he really seems like the father who spent a crazy amount of time with his kid
I feel Netflix gave him what he wanted in the end.. Notoriety. Netflix have portrayed him to be some nice guy who got lost somehow because his parents divorced?? I have known some children to go through much worse including being exposed to sexual abuse but they have not gone out to commit these kind of crimes. They are portraying that this is combination of learning about road kill and being abandoned at the age of 17 (an adult in the US) but I think there may have been some underlying Mental Health condition that has not been picked up.
“Eat your mistakes” -Jeff’s mom
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He seemed to be all alone in life.
Jeffrey said he was a loner by choice
After looking at this and the new series on Netflix I think the alleged mental illness of his mother should be researched more. His father admitted he had some sick fantasies but what about the mother? It was written in the movie how she was on pills for anxiety and bipolar activity and how the dad blamed her for their son turning out bad? Too sad
Maybe the meds during pregnancy played a role, maybe witnessing his mother's episodes, outbursts, or suicide attempts played a role, but not her mental illnesses in themselves, because he was never diagnosed with any mental illness, he didn't get any mental health condition from his mother. Bipolar disorder and many more are genetic
Finally someone with some sense
@@eloise5348 oh yeah you can pretty much guarantee complex ptsd from the daily stress of a parent who barely seems to care how you feel.. also more and more research is finding that adverse childhood events (including emotional neglect and extended periods away from parents) significantly increase inheritable psych conditions like schizophrenia, PTSD and bipolar to be triggered later in life.. as well as pretty much every personality disorder
Great comment .
So is the whole teaching Jeffrey Dahmer about taxidermy, driving him around to find roadkill to dissect another false fact about his dad in the Netflix series?
Yeah, its in there, in pretty graphic detail actually.
jeffrey dahmer was drinking every day and when he needed his parents the most they weren’t there for him. i am in no way saying this was their fault but i feel like a lot could have been prevented.
No, it couldnt, Dahmer was a monster
Then why mentioned. Most teens drunk a ton back in the day a lot of them probably for the same reasons.
Jeffery dahmer worked at the ambrosia chocolate factory in Milwaukee. They are known to make the chocolate chips for chips ahoy and other cookies. He would take a mummified head and keep it in his locker. I ate a lot of chips ahoy around that time!!!!
As a shy teen I feel attacked. I have no interest in eating another human
😂😂
Good for him, this father, for finding a way to help the future of our world in hopefully a positive way, by using his voice and public interest in him to use this negative horrible situation to help others in the future potentially stopping child becoming a violent adult... We won't really ever be able to know which parent heard his interviews and took note& possibly steered their kid down a different path, which they wouldn't have had the tools to do if they didn't listen to this .. Good for him
I’m extremely shy too but I never ever had thought of klling somebody
Never under estimate the power of denial.
all yall feeling sorry for his parents are wild. his mom clearly put drugs before him, and both parents exposed him to psycological abuse at a young age. his mom took 27 pills every day during her pregnancy.
Right!! The dad abandoned him for a new wife and the dad visited him several times... OF COURSE HE KNEW!!
Unfortunately back then, prescription meds were given out to pregnant women, it wasn't like it is today where doctors won't let you take painkillers and benzos while pregnant. His brain was affected before he was even born. Then add to that a head injury, neglect, alcoholism, possibly sexual abuse, isolation...so many factors.
@@victoriadime9057 The dad didn't abandoned him. He was court ordered to leave the house after the divorce. I don't know why y'all are blaming the mom for getting extremely sick while pregnant and struggling with her mental health. Times were different back then and doctors didn't know the potential dangers of prescribing so much medication to a pregnant woman.
@@valmacclinchy Jeffrey never had a head injury and don't bring up sexual abuse when there was no proof of it. All terrible assumptions
@@Foxfire8787 he did have a head injury as a child, a tbi. This is according to an interview with his father. As far as sexual abuse, I find it a red flag when someone is asked, "did you abuse your son?" and the response is "not physically"...Huge red flag. That's why I said "possible"...
Don't tell me what I can and can't bring up. Have a good night.
What a totally generalized statement - if your child is shy, dig into why they are acting shy. If every child out there who was shy became a monster, we would all be in the worst kind of trouble. That was a BS statement to make.
Sealust50... The whole thing is BS. It's just a psyop to scare people.
Millions of people text while driving and most get away with it without incident. But if your kid kills or is killed because of texting, you bet your ass you're going to tell everyone a hundred times about the evils of distracted driving.
Point is, he's pretty freaking motivated to say these things and you have absolutely no concept of it. You can't think about why people say or do things that you yourself might not say or do.
@@robinsumlin9369 It's better to be safe than sorry, it's risky driving while distracted, just as it's risky to leave your quiet, shy and possibly lonely child alone thinking they'll just grow out of it and become normal without intervention.
I'm confused about the whole road kill thing. I thought his father took him to get road kill, how is he saying that he didn't know about it
Tv show
The dad might've lied on LK. The show REALLY focuses on it many times so it still could be true.
@@bluem5620 no the show made up a lot of things
@@Foxfire8787 True but I don't think they made that part up. I'd have to read the dad's book but I'm not gonna do that.
The parents were too busy with their own problems that they didn’t seek psychological help for his son. He was already disturbed as a child.
-Mother knows best-
SpriteIsLit how'd you do that
She was sick mentally and struggling with her marriage
@@hulkman129 She should not have had children, let alone TWO!
Honestly, Lionel Dahmer is FULL of it. He DIDN'T speak to his son, and try and help him come out of his shell etc. Why? Because the same time as Dahmer's Mum went off (taking his younger brother with her), Lionel was off with his new girlfriend! And Jeffery was all alone in a house in the middle of nowhere.
Lionel LOVES to blame Jeffery's Mother for EVERYTHING, saying she had mental health issues, her pregnancy was abnormal, saying that she would "foam at the mouth, like a DOG", having "seizures", he wrote an entire book throwing Joyce Dahmer under the bus. Hmm, now Why would a man do that to his EX-Wife?...
The truth is, Lionel Dahmer was an emotionless robot who was Just as checked out of Jeffery's life as his wife was. But the difference is that HE wrote a book about it, and because he was a MAN, and a 'Professional', having a PhD, whereas she was a Woman, a Stay-at-home Mum, who had mental health issues, and because she died relatively early on in the case, and Lionel outlived her and could go on every documentary from then until now, HE got to set the narrative. And thus it's Joyce Dahmer's fault for Everything, it's laughable
I know that’s what’s going on with this con man. He’s acting like he’s perfect and of course it’s always, 100% of the time that woman you know. This liar is a typical man and refuses to accept any accountability or responsibility for what his son became. That’s a red flag 🚩. He acts like a dead robot too. Yeah sure, hes Mr. Perfect. I call BS.
He was court ordered to move out of the house though
@@8luvbug I've never heard that, can you provide a source for that??...
@@NiceButBites I watched the full trial of Jeffrey Dahmer and one the phycologist mentions it. It is also mentioned in the book the shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer.
@@8luvbug Ahh perfect, thank you,
I’m curious about David Dahmer, the younger brother... He didn’t showed up for any interview...
He changed his last name
David has changed his last name and lives in anonymously. Apparently, he is married and has two children.
@@The315fan ah... yeah his brother. Another mysteries... I just wondering, is he still alive..
His brother David would be in his mid 50s now, so I would think yes
I don’t know how I would cope if I produced a thing like Jeffrey!
The scary part is that there are plenty more Jefferys out there, but society has far more distractions now to notice. Until it’s to late.
There are many people who have way worse parents but they didn't do this. I'm so uncomfortable with the responsibility left on these two people even if they were bad parents nobody chooses this.
His father is very creepy
Yes
People saying they feel bad for his parents but not the victims. So weird
The story narrative on the roadkill from Netflix is completely false.
Ryan Murphy should have known better.
It’s a dramatized show. Nothing had to be true for entertainment purposes
They need to take that series off net flix , That's profiting off of the victim's Death's. I hope all the proceeds go to their victim's families.
Should they remove all 9/11 documentaries too?
It’s public info
It’s public record…they won’t remove it just because some rando says so, and the series showed the victims more than any other documentary
The victims’ families get all the proceeds.
@@Iamthenextmultimillionaire4400
Fake news
Every parents r part responsible for what their children become. Good and bad. But they r part of it not the whole reason.
The dad is docile, he let dahmer get away with too much and undoubtedly because he is emotionally weak and naive he likely never disciplined him either, the box story shows how weak of a father he was to Jeff.
your hormones do be raging during poobery doe 😐🤚
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That dang pooberty
His hormones were raging at age 12 to 13?? Ummm... a shy child is not necessarily a monster in the making. This dad has skeletons in his closet sorta speak and his son lived them out... it’s truly horrifying.
I agree something seems off
Feels like Dexter to me, b
His Mother too. Both parents had many problems.
You said that a year before Netflix launch the series where there’s signs about it! You are really good at reading people! 😮
This is why I will never have kids. No Serial Killer.
He had no clue? Bull, I watched this video, I heard him speak over an over about all the things Jeffery did, the drinking, the reclusive behaviour, being critically shy, finding dead animals and having his way with their dead carcasses, layers of debauchery! And then saying he didn't know until later on, bull!! His father is and was a pacifist! A creature that just didn't have anytime for his own kids!! Ranting about Jeffery sex drive and how his hormones were raging!! Give me a break! His father saw many red flags and did nothing!! Bc all he care about was himself!! After his wife left him to " find herself" the bed didn't stay cold long with this new squeeze! And she's just as empty headed as he is!! Oh well, guess it doesn't matter now his son is dead, this could of all been prevented! I mean we all make mistakes in life we're not perfect parents , wives, husbands, and so on, but this is over the top!! I blame his father and selfish mother!!
Why wouldn’t he allow his brain to be tested? To me I feel that these interviews are about the money. He had an opportunity to have his brain researched wouldn’t that have really given a bigger insight as well as the behaviour red flags?
Very true... communication is very important in life...the more isolated ur the more u'll become evil... especially in early days...
i was isolated some as a child, i'm not evil!
That’s a coo out. The parents were shown plenty of signs something was wrong with their child (collect road kill) and enabled his behavior.
They did a fantastic job casting Richard Jenkins.
In the new Netflix series the father participated with Jeff in collecting road kill.
Which didn't happen in reality
@@Foxfire8787 I have read in a few books about Dahmer that he did. Unfortunately it was a few years ago now so I can't remember which ones specifically, but it stuck with me.
@@SJ-007 in the dad's book that is never mentioned and in all his interviews he never says that happened
@@Foxfire8787 OK, but I have definitely read this years ago, because I vividly remember thinking it was so weird. That was long before this show was even thought of, so i got it from somewhere then. If it's true or not, I can't say, but it's in a book or two.
Mandela Effect!
They’re the reason this happened.
Not to be disrespectful or anything, but there's no way I would take parenting advice from these people
He had a severe mixed-personality disorder with a sexually-disordered component, but these didn’t make him legally insane or not responsible.
Personality disorders seem to form from the interaction of a biological vulnerability/predisposition, with the environment (including but not limited to emotional and psychological neglect and trauma) during childhood & adolescence.
Pent-up conflict, confusion, hurt, low self-esteem, aggression etc, that he suppressed and couldn’t/didn’t want to properly deal with. His probation officer suggested that he call a gay hotline. He was so far gone, he needed much more than that.
Why wasn’t Tracey Edwards story ever highlighted?
This dude is trying to find an easy way out. Saying because Jeffrey was a loner and shy created him to be a serial killer and a cannibal is a cop out. I learned behind every narcissist who lacks empathy, compassion and social awareness is a person that enabled their behavior. There were many signs (constantly getting fired, discharged from the military, killing animals, can’t keep a job) that he had issues but I think our society has a “boys will be boys” attitude and think they’ll “grow out of it”
Pooberty had me crack up in laughter because i read the comments and then heard it
Nobody is going to say that he is an exemplary father, but seriously it is quite disgusting how there are people who literally also call for his head, totally convinced that he is also guilty of those deaths, despite the fact that he several times assumed responsibility for his son. But that is quite different from wanting to blame him for the 17 deaths as well.
I would be too ashamed to go on tv and talk about my kid if they did something like that. I think his dad is very narcissistic and had no regard for the victims and their families
Exactamundo!
Wow, the actor in the Netflix series sounds just like him
Poor dad.. And mum..
The dad did Taxidermy on roadkill with him.Also, there's nothing abnormal about kids being shy.The dad is a piece of work, and so is the mom.They made a lot of money on books and interviews.
Evil comes straight from hell!
Did he say “pooberty” lol
Pooberty
Ha e these parents ever apologised for their son's crimes?? Maybe I didn't hear it
What's scary is we are all under the spectrum of evil just the degrees are varying in different areas of our corruptable nature
You can say the same thing for the opposite or at least I can. I think every person is a good person of varying degrees.
as if anyone can pay attention after pooberty
Shit, I clipped my Yorkies nail too close and it bled. I literally freaked out and started crying. I saw her be so calm in my boyfriends arms as I felt like shit worried I caused her pain. My BF had to calm me and remind me she's not crying or trying to resist. But man, my heart sank . I can't imagine hurting animals
We just gonna pretend it’s not their fault? Children don’t just become this way. They sucked as parents at a crucial developmental stage.
No some people are just born evil. Look at Ted Bundy no awful upbringing but still became a brutal murder
We're really supposed to taking parenting advice from Dahmer's parents?
Your not forced to
We are missing something. Jeffreys ex boyfriend said Jeffrey had said his father sexually abused him until he was 16. That would make everything make sense....
How on Earth could a father not know his son has multiple decomposing bodies in his house? If he is as active and commited as a father as he says he is to the media, he should have had some idea of his son's state of living. If he was a chemist he would have identified the smell of decomposing flesh instantly, from the apartment.
Looks to me like Mr Dahmer SNR abandoned his young son and ran away/turned a blind eye to clear mental health issues.
That's if you actually believe that man was his boyfriend. He doesn't look like Jeffrey's type and Jeffrey said he never wanted nor had a boyfriend.
They were horrible parents
They started caring wayyy too late
Also his father literally helped him gather dead animals to show him how to strip the flesh off the bones cause he was some sort of scientist
He probably showed him how to put them in chemical solutions too. He was a chemist. I know this guy isn’t as innocent as he’s trying to con us into believing. 🙄
*Poker Table (somewhere in Vegas)*
Dealer: Show
Guy: Bust.
Other guy: I got a pair.. of narcissists.
And this is why people went vegan.
But in the new show Dahmer, they go out and pick up roadkill together?
Tv show
Didn't this man cut up road kill with his son?
@Ruby King thanks
He changed when his father told him his mother wanted a divorce. Thanks Joyce.
Hmm...well his dad was very religious and in the stone Phillips interview said he didn't accept homosexuality... and if yiu kbow tge story like i do..dahmers first victim was in 78..outta highschool....and from there he found god wheh he moved in with his grandmother in west allis Wisconsin....but he fell inti going to bathhouses drugging ppl...and by 87 was back to killing..from there he went on his spree killing 15 more men till he was caught... i was 18 in 1991 when they caught him....ill never ever forget this story....
Of all the parents in the world to give advice....this would be the very last I would go to...Js...
Tragic 🙏
As a parent you should know
He’s lying he did roadkill with him..
The parents are 100% to blame. They should be ashamed
No Jeffrey is 100% to blame. HE CHOSE to killed people NOT his parents. I bet you're the type to never take accountability for YOUR actions.
Some people are just bad seeds. It’s not rocket science.
John Balcerzak and his partner Joseph Gabrish should be ashamed of themselves. I still can't believe that they sent the injured/naked victim right back into the killer's residence. It's beyond sick. How can anyone trust these two police officers again?
Kevin Luh yes still bothers me
I sent a not-so-nice Facebook message to both of these pricks for what they did. Gabrish blocked me hahaha!! The truth hurts
If those 2 idiots had gotten that young man an ambulance, he'd probably still be alive!
Worst part? They not only got rehired after being fired. They got prizes for being great police officers, and also got rehired and got paid for the time they got fired, because they sued the department.
@@flameprincess7313 fuckin disgusting
I really feel bad for his father. I do think he loved his son and wanted what was best for him. I really could tell he wanted to go back in time and stop his son and intervene.
KOHF34 I have met his father several times, he comes into the grocery store I used to work at. He seems to be doing well, I miss waiting on him in the deli. He's such a cute old man.
Yeah me too 😭😭💔
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea."
- "Jesus"
He wouldn't have done any good he's a terrible homophobe
Lol
Sometimes parents can be too embroiled in their own personal problems that they fail to observe any irregularities in their children's development.
Being a parent is not easy.
true
@@elisabethdakak878 No one said it is.
@@elisabethdakak878 True. But it is also a choice. If you choose to have children, then you better uphold that responsibility.
@@johnblah1040 the way kids are made every single day makes it seem like it’s easy.
'My Friend Dahmer' is a great read. His parents always put themselves before their son. They never noticed he was drinking all day every day, they never noticed he had no true friends, they both abandoned him - his mother even taking his younger brother and leaving him alone for months in the family home after making him promise not to tell his absent father she'd gone. Truly terrible parents.
LITERALLY!!!!
The dad was court ordered to leave the house after the divorce. The mom was supposed to stay at the house with the kids. She asked Jeffrey if he wanted to come but he said no because he was about to start college soon.
the movie was good too
@@8luvbug that’s when he murdered his first victim
He was 16/17 when he was left alone in the family home. Most teenagers would have loved the freedom, I know I would have!
The love for a person will sometimes blind you from their evil
The saddest part is he knew something was wrong with him (probably not to the extent that it was) he just didn’t know what to do. Hindsight is awful sometimes.
@UFC news and Lori Vallow Daybell Dingbell dumbell u just want someone to enlighten u
@UFC news and Lori Vallow Daybell Dingbell dumbell but god is real
@UFC news and Lori Vallow Daybell Dingbell dumbell welp u know how this goes, where the proof that disproves GOD😂
@UFC news and Lori Vallow Daybell Dingbell dumbell Sounds like you lack in empathy. Bringing pain into others that don’t deserve it is evil no matter what you think the definition is.
I genuinely feel that if you are in a position where you can take a conscious decision of having children but you may find it hard to raise them for whatever reason please consider not having any. It's better to be childless than being bad parents imo.
I absolutely agree ! Most people around us were never ready to have kids
Any person who considers raising a child NOT hard probably shouldn't have children. You sound absolutely ridiculous.
@Le Justicier du Net it’s also easy to not do it. I am 34, I love kids but I’m wise enough to understand this isn’t the right time.
I agree. I have two kids under the age of two. There isn’t a moment of the day where it’s easy. That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have them or that they’re going to turn out to be serial killers. If you think parenting is easy then you’ve obviously not been around kids much.
I kind of agree. However, as a parent to 2 kids now I tell you that you can not know if you are truly ready or not prior to having them. But what I can say is, before having kids you have to have your head in the right place. What that means is you must be ready to do everything within your power to raise that kid, to do what's right by that kid for and society. Cause nothing, i tell absolutely nothing prepares you completely for parenthood. You may have your finances right, be in good health, very knowledgable about stuff and all that but that isn't enough to be a good parent. You have to have the will to do what is rightly needed regardless of how things may play out
I get the sense that Jeffrey was just as shocked as we are that no one stopped him.
he didn't realize just how much hypocritical "skin privilege" is steeped in this 'fruited plains'...
Pois ele mesmo disse se ele não fosse preso continuaria com a matança
Because of the police negligence in ghetto areas. And it’s a true injustice those two police officers that were called for one of his fourteen year old victims did nothing and to this day were never punished for their crimes.
@@joeminier1736 So true. That one just really turns my stomach.
@@missinterpretation4984 yeah especially since he was the younger brother of one of Jeffrey’s victims he molested. Can’t imagine what the family and brother must have felt.
The father really breaks my heart, in a recent interview he was saying how he sent a letter to a judge begging him not to release jeffrey and he started crying while reading it ...i dont know, this case is sad on so many levels.
Indeed, it was also in his book about his relationship to Jeff called "A father's story", you should read it, it's quite incredible
You are sick that is clear , his son tortured killed 2 children and other 13 people and his father was supporting him all time thats evil and sick and you are to if you feel sad they would do the same to you and you child , they dont have sorry for the victims they have sorry for them self you must be the most evil or dumbest person on earth.
@@Mrbeg27 you're the dumb shit here. His father loved him but didn't want him to be released. Learn how to read dumbfuck. He feels sad for Jeffrey's father, not for Jeffrey
@@Mrbeg27 if you can’t read just say that she made it clear she feels sorry for his father
I agree, not a word for the 17 young prople who got murdered by someone who knew that killing was wrong 😈😈
no one:
absolutely no one:
Lionel Dahmer: p o o b e r t y
bitch shut the fuck up. thats all you got out of this?? turn it off
@@isaiahmorales5068 so what did you get out of this? You bag of doorknobs
SJSHSJ OH MY GOD
@@nikostevens1 Obviously more than her.
@@drfifteenmd7561 Why is that so obvious though?
The mispronunciation was hilarisch as hell.
Shyness has nothing to do with it. Millions of people are shy and don't do this. Jeffrey was a psychopath, and there is not much anyone can do but get psychiatric counseling once that is expected, usually when it's too late. This was all genetics. Shyness might be but one of many many symptoms, but don't automatically single someone out because they are quiet and shy, it would be stereotyping. What Lionel is not telling you, and what Jeffrey was very disappointed in is father when he wrote the book and disclosed was that Jeffrey's mother was schizophrenic, and she passed those bad genes down to Jeffrey.
Schizophrenia and psychopathy have no relation, two completely different things and one does not lead to the other
You also sound stupid. You clearly don’t understand what a psychopath
@@secretunknown253 I have an idea what a psycopath is, but I don't understand the depths of it because I'm not a psychiatrist obviously, so get over yourself!
@@tjc958 I don't think I ever recalled saying that schizophrenia and psychopathy are the same. I think what happened is that ppl misunderstood what I was saying. A schizophrenic is very sick, hears voices, very delusional and usually don't work; a psychopath, on the other hand, can be very organized and intelligent, but lack empathy and moral compass. Psychopaths can be CEO's of companies, whereas a schizophrenic person never could. You can take a psychopath like Ted Bundy who was very organized and intelligent but a serial killer nontheless. I've never heard of a schizophrenic who was a serial killer, and schizophrenics are mostly harmless, so I do have a small grasp on what I'm talking about, but I don't know the true depths of psychopathy because I haven't studied it in great detail.
Pllm30 yeah all I was saying is that you said his mom passed down her bad genes from her having schizophrenia, but her having schizophrenia wouldn’t affect Ted bundy in any way other than making home more likely to have schizophrenia. If it was genetic then it could’ve been just as likely to be from his dads side of the family
They may have never been abusive but they probably didn’t show him enough morality or giving him the wrong advice.
Neglect is considered abuse though.
His mother was very abusive
@@retro_alex I agree. She was nuts. I think even before the drugs she took, she was predisposed to mental illness. Postpartum and drugs just exacerbated it.
@@retro_alex no she wasn't
@@Foxfire8787 how are you gonna tell me when i been knowing dahmer before the stupid show and people like you who got into it all late
They seem normal.....I wonder what they were like at home?
Cleetis McDougall There son seemed normal.hmmm
Cleetis McDougall they fought all the time while they were getting divorced, and Jeffrey's dad really made him mentally ill, both knew he was gay and didn't support him
Cleetis McDougall I think that's his stepmom?
Cleetis McDougall His mom had a mental disorder
They never knew of his homosexuality until he was caught + arrested
It wasn't Jeffrey it was pooberty
Jeff shoulda been put away after finding those dead animals. That ain’t no hormones raging that’s freaking sick!
His dad taught him taxidermy. I don't know why he said he didn't know he was doing it.