We have a 2013 VW Golf TDI 77KW with over 250K kilometers with NO issues whatsoever 7 speed DSG. Can go little over 1200 km on a single tank of fuel. Both local and highway driving. That’s our experience, if that helps anyone.
Just realized my question got a video! Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question! I am on the prowl for a 2018 SE with low mileage and remaining warranty now. I am looking at test driving a 2019 or 20 with the seven speed as well to see if it feels good. The 2015 6 speed i test drove a few months back was very smooth in comparison to my current 2013 G37 7-speed which i despise. :)
It would be apparent that you will dive into tuning with a GTI, in that case just aquire a tuner's more custom DSG version tune - that will make you happier. If you just use "D", then the ECU is just keeping you at efficiency anyway / If you use "S" you will get what you want when you want it - but I would suggest downshifting to the appropriate RPM first so that you get the best transition.
The DQ200 7-spd dsg is the one to watch out for. It's a dry clutch, quick, light and all but it have a relative low tolerance for wear with heaver engines and stop-and-go traffic.
There not talking about the DQ200. The 2019 DSG 7 speed is wet clutch. Your comment might put someone off and your not even talking about the same box. The 2019 box is the DQ381 7 speed.
@@johnboy2436My comment was to raise awareness about which gearbox that’s problematic. Anyway could just google which car it’s used in. It should be mentioned in the video that there are several different DSG gearboxes with different numbers.
@@KjellKarlsson1Let me stop you right there. This video is based from a users comment. That comment is about a 2019 GTI new 7 speed both which is NOT the box your mentioning. I understand your bringing awareness but i came on here to look about my new car with the 7 speed box and your telling me its a dry clutch because you have ZERO CONTEXT to your comment. Its false info and easy misinterpreted. If i didnt already know it was a wet clutch id be going away and cancelling my order.
@@johnboy2436 This very much looks like an issue with your poor reading comprehension, not an issue with the initial comment left by Kjell Karlsson. Anyone with basic reading english reading abilities and 5 seconds of google will be able to figure out the relevance of what Kjell is talking about. While it may not be directly related to the transmission that is discussed in the comment in the video, a comment about a different 7-spd dsg that is also part of the VAG group is a reasonable comment to make. So let me stop you right there from being a jerk.
@@bitzer8722 There seems to be an issue with your brain because you cant understand basic english. The user asked about the GTI. There is no blagging it, there is no turning it around or trying to worm a point in. He asked about the DQ381. If you too as long as you did to write your comment to think about it. You would understand he asked about the WRONG box on WRONG video. There is so many other videos involving his box in question. Its like asking about icecream on a pizza video. You sir, are special.
It’s been 2 years since this video. Is there a final verdict on the GTI 6 speed DSG vs 7 speed DSG when it comes to tuning, power handling, and overall reliability?
To be honest bro as someone who drove a 7 speed for 2 years daily driving and the frequent harder driving (once almost every week), my clutch wore out very fast and got that replaced with the same clutch that had low mileage, keep in mind i was maintaining my engine transmission and drivetrain religiously. I think with the 7 speed (from what i’ve heard from close friends with hands on experience) upgrading both the clutch and flywheel to aftermarket parts on the 7 speed has great success rate in terms of longevity and reliability, but that shouldn’t be something a consumer of a “sporty car” should deal with especially within a year of ownership at low mileage. However, I have since owned an audi s3 6 speed dsg and that has done me wonders, i haven’t noticed any issues and i’m still finding it extremely smooth for daily driving on and off the track
I tell you after extensive experience with the 6 and 7. The 6 has a dry clutch and the 7 is bathed in oil. The 6 does not give problems, the 7 is a lottery, there are owners who report and do not report problems.
@@jamesxloan Reads like a bunch of ignorant hot nonsensical garbage pulled out of your ass to make yourself feel better about your 6 speed. I'm a VW tech with 15 years of experience and the wet clutches on the DQ381 7 speed don't wear out fast at all. Neither in "sporty" applications (like GTI or Golf R) or more regular applications. You're also seemingly talking about a single clutch, when DGS's have clutch packs... Similarly, the flywheel on a DSG is rarely mentioned as just "flywheel", as its a DMG (dual mass flywheel).
7 speed DQ500 is probably the best box out there for the golf R iv got a MK6 golf R and I’m about to drop a RS3 7 speed box in with TVS software 🔥🔥🔥 plus a G25-660 turbo kit
Hey, can you do a newer DSG service walk through video sometime? Theres no videos on the newer 7-speed. I want to do mine early at 40k, dont trust the 80k service interval. 🤣
I think 6 speed dsg would be more reliable in heavy traffic or countries with hot weather such as India . As in 6 speed clutch is dip in oil and in 7 speed they say it as a dry clutch but then too some VW dealers are suggesting to change oil at every 40k miles . Don't where that oil is going considering the fact that 7 speed is wet clutch . Don't not expert but yaa the logic is that liquid dissipate more heat then dry ones .
They are both wet clutches my friend the new 7 speed has upgraded better performance clutches that are rated to handle more torque of the new Golf GTI and Golf R but other than that they are pretty much the same
IMHO, if you drive a dry clutch , that’s nothing to do with the transmission fluid. The life expectancy of dry clutch itself is relatively bad if compare to wet if your car is in a heavy traffic area … I have been fixing these for years, I mean , years….
@@s4127419 what happens if we miss the dsg oil change at 60k kms mark and do it at 85k ? I'm buying a used mark2 octavia 2012 but the owner has not done the dsg oil change at 60k interval. Please guide. Thanks
they are both wet clutchs i dont understand why people are mentioning the dq200. that didnt come out in 2019. This new both is the DQ381 7 speed dsg and its a wet clutch.
@@anandmenon5402 After replacement I still had some small jerking from 2 to 3 gear. It's perfect since around 220kkm. I have 230kkm now and I need to replace water pump which last since the car left factory 😅
@@ZenzDeluxeinfact, he is right the 7 speed comes with alot of issues. it doesnt have MPI (multi port injection) its DI and one day ur gna get issues with carbon on the valves and ruff idle etc. performance loss. Also with that you get the GPF which is also an issue and REAL world the car is much slow and less tunable. 20ps less with the GPF. Sounds to me like your coping mate. the 6 speed is tried and tested. the 7 is not. even if its just as good. it comes with cars with all the emission rules making it overall a worse choice.
It is a wet clutch it just has upgraded higher torque and HP rated clutches to handle the increased power of the new Golf R and Gti and Jetta Gli and Audi S3 they all use that exact same transmission
I know yhis video is a few years old now. But, I was wondering if there is proof of which transmission is better? Looking at going from a Mk6 GTI to a Mk7
Yes but dont leave it that long change it early. This was done as VW wanted to lower the 5 year service plan costs in some countries. They dont care what happens after 5 years.
I got a question about turbo blankets. I watched a video showing the pros of the turbo blanket, but does the extra heat cause faster wear on the turbo? I believe it increased temp on the hot side of the turbo around 225 Celsius. What is your take on them and their worth?
It is dry clutch so avoid any dual clutch that is dry clutch. Go with DSG DQ 381 or 500 that are wet clutch which are likely mated with powerful motors.
@@turek737 did you have a chip tune? that's a good price for a full rebuilt. It is important to change oil after 60,000km even if Volkswagen says it's "life time".
Sorry but you do not state accurate information regarding the dsg. The old 6 speed code: DQ250 which is very reliable, and the newer dsg 7 speed code : DQ381, is both wet clutch. But from a contruction perspective they are very different. The newer DQ381 has separate oil chambers for the clutch and the mechatronic unit. And where the old DQ250 was/is very reliable, there has been reports that its not quite the same for DQ381. I would cert. find a low milage with the 6 speed DQ250.
@@KobraPun It is as simple as follows. All manufacturers including VW put a dry clutch DSG on cars with up to 250-260NM. A wet clutch is reserved for engines with more torque than that. So yes the GTI is definitely wet, probably a DQ381/DQ500. Not all Audi A3 are wet, the Audi A3 with the 1.4L TFSI has a DSG7 DQ200 0CW(2015-), but this is also a reliable transmission after 2015. On the DSG7 DQ200 0CW(2015-) VW says it is not necessary to change the oil in the mechatronic unit, it is oil for life or 200,000km. However many still chose to change the oil contrary to what VW recommends.
Yes they are different the new 7 speed has upgraded better performance clutches that are rated from the factory to handle more torque and HP in order to handle the increased power of the new Golf R and GTI and jetta GLI and Audi S3
@@TONI-bi1lgWRONG. its a wet clutch. Dude your not even on about the same gearbox. The video relates to the 6 speed DSG DQ250 wet clutch gearbox and the 7 speed DSG DQ381 wet clutch gearbox. Check the discription. He says " and in 2019 they switched to the 7 speed". Which is the DQ381. SO what you going on about mate.
About the ones with the "horror stories". I wonder how many of those were from not changing the fluid at every 40,000 miles or sooner if it is needed. Just remember, this is not a magical "lifetime" fluid that never needs to be changed!! Who here had an MK5 Volkswagen with the 09G transmission and heard the bull$hit about lifetime fluid?? How many of those problems could have been prevented if people changed the fluid every *30,000* miles or sooner? Notice I put 30,000 in bold? That is because Volkswagen recommends 60,000 but that seems to me like their way of rolling the dice on you not keeping the vehicle that long and realizing their lies! Why would they lie like this anyhow? It is to make the vehicle seem to need no maintenance so that people are more likely to buy them! I don't know if they also did it to quiet down the ones who stereotype of Volkswagens as being hard to work on. The fact is most newer vehicles are hard to work on now just like that and others may need a lot more. I thought my Jetta was actually reliable! It had the 2.5 and it didn't have high pressure fuel pumps and cam followers or direct injection. The nice thing about port injection rather than direct as I am sure a lot of us know is that the valves are going to be a lot cleaner. The 2.5 has a timing chain which means no belt that can snap. They may stretch but I never heard of one breaking. If direct injection and turbos are your thing, a variant of that 2.5 was used in the TT RS with those things.
You can look at the seat Ibiza Cupra 1.4 tsi with DQ200 crap Motor plus crap gearbox! Take the new Cupra Ibiza 1.8 motor and put the DQ250 and you have a reliable engine plus a reliable gear box
DQ250 is so much better. not only is it more reliable, but it feels much sportier (less smooth but in a good way) and shifts literally twice as fast (DQ381 shifts like a torque converter). that extra gear for highway cruising must be nice tho.
DQ381 has a higher torque limit and holds more power. But from factory, the DQ250 feels much better as a sporty dsg, in the city for a normal person, the new box is better. But all of it gets fixed with a simple tune, makes it much better than the old box imo. But that is my experience, other may have different experiences
@OverGrownApe_001 stock for stock yes, the same and DQ250 feels better when stock that DQ381. Tuned - DQ381 handles more, you can also see that on drag scene DQ250 owners have issues and DQ381 is ok. DQ381 is basically a repackaged version of the DQ500 but due to the smaller size it doesn’t hold as much power. Drivability on tuned versions is up to the TCU tune. On some tunes one is better, on others it is swapped. DQ381 has slightly longer gears and much longer 6th and real overdrive in the form of 7th gear. ANow back to acceleration - I have friends with a mk7.5 and mk7 R. Exactly the same mods, tune and on the same dyno power difference was 3kw. But the 7.5 is almost 0.2s faster to 100 and 1/4 mile due to the gearing and most likley shift speeds.
@@kaurvali Absolutely correct, thank god for one knowledgeable guy in this comment section. Also, in my opinion (having owned cars with both boxes, both tuned and stock), even on the stock TCU maps, the DQ381 is better for everyday driveability, while still being very sporty when you need it to. In other words, it pretty much has the best of both worlds for the average driver (including "sporty" drivers). Most people that keep regurgitating "new DSG boxes bad" have never driven one of the newer cars and are suffering from cognitive dissonance, clinging to archaic things because they can't afford the new cars yet. It's always the same endless cycle in automotive communities.
Its exactly the same transmission they just upgraded the clutches to be able to handle more torque than the previous 6 speed to be able handle the torque of the of the new Golf R and they changed the software to give better gas mileage thats about it
Whatever u do just dont get a MQB car with the DQ381 7 speed. They come in the 2017+ audi s3 and a few other cars . I had one in my 2018 audi s3 and man i had quite a few scary issues with the trans and they were mostly all suprisingly somehow software related. But even after getting the transmission sofware updated at audi and getting those issues fixed it still felt sloppy for a car of this mileage.. especially when it gears down to 1st gear on its own after a long time of driving. When i first got the car at 26k kms it felt like this too. Pretty shite trans if u ask me. Maybe the previous owner best the piss out of it but ive heard several others with the same car having identical issues
Your box had issues. I've had two cars now with this transmission and neither of them had any of the behavior or faults you described above. Both had more than 200k miles and never had any issues or costs besides the 40k maintenance required on them.
Does anyone really actually know if the new 2020 gti dsg and 2020 Audi A3 7 speed s tronic have a damn wet or dry clutch??? Like seriously I've seen dozens of crap online saying it's a wet clutch. And dozens saying it's a dry clutch. And nowhere to really find out the truth
It is as simple as follows. All manufacturers including VW put a dry clutch DSG on cars with up to 250-260NM. A wet clutch is reserved for engines with more torque than that. So yes the GTI is definitely wet, probably a DQ381/DQ500. Not all Audi A3 are wet, the Audi A3 with the 1.4L TFSI has a DSG7 DQ200 0CW(2015-), but this is also a reliable transmission after 2015.
@@dragospahontu dont seem so simple to anyone online lol. I have 2020 audi A3 S line 2.0t quattro. And it seems like everyone is confused on what exact transmission it is
@@nickTAMR correct. And for longitudinally mounted engines the code is DL. L for longbau and Q for quadbau. They are good entry level transmissions, and if you change the oil on time they will be reliable. The problem is Volkswagen doesn't explain to people the differences between a dual clutch and torque converter and that's where problems start to appear.
@@fredrikmardenfalkhoppe494 On the DSG7 DQ200 0CW(2015-) VW says it is not necessary to change the oil in the mechatronic unit, it is oil for life or 200,000km. However many people decide to ignore this and change the oil, is it a good idea or not?
We have a 2013 VW Golf TDI 77KW with over 250K kilometers with NO issues whatsoever
7 speed DSG. Can go little over 1200 km on a single tank of fuel. Both local and highway driving.
That’s our experience, if that helps anyone.
@@proljece2000 have you done service to mechatronic fluid?
Just realized my question got a video! Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question! I am on the prowl for a 2018 SE with low mileage and remaining warranty now. I am looking at test driving a 2019 or 20 with the seven speed as well to see if it feels good. The 2015 6 speed i test drove a few months back was very smooth in comparison to my current 2013 G37 7-speed which i despise.
:)
Glad you asked! I am looking at a 2017 GTI (6 speed DSG) or a 2019 GLI (7 speed DSG).
It would be apparent that you will dive into tuning with a GTI, in that case just aquire a tuner's more custom DSG version tune - that will make you happier.
If you just use "D", then the ECU is just keeping you at efficiency anyway / If you use "S" you will get what you want when you want it - but I would suggest downshifting to the appropriate RPM first so that you get the best transition.
The DQ200 7-spd dsg is the one to watch out for. It's a dry clutch, quick, light and all but it have a relative low tolerance for wear with heaver engines and stop-and-go traffic.
There not talking about the DQ200. The 2019 DSG 7 speed is wet clutch. Your comment might put someone off and your not even talking about the same box. The 2019 box is the DQ381 7 speed.
@@johnboy2436My comment was to raise awareness about which gearbox that’s problematic. Anyway could just google which car it’s used in. It should be mentioned in the video that there are several different DSG gearboxes with different numbers.
@@KjellKarlsson1Let me stop you right there. This video is based from a users comment. That comment is about a 2019 GTI new 7 speed both which is NOT the box your mentioning. I understand your bringing awareness but i came on here to look about my new car with the 7 speed box and your telling me its a dry clutch because you have ZERO CONTEXT to your comment. Its false info and easy misinterpreted. If i didnt already know it was a wet clutch id be going away and cancelling my order.
@@johnboy2436 This very much looks like an issue with your poor reading comprehension, not an issue with the initial comment left by Kjell Karlsson. Anyone with basic reading english reading abilities and 5 seconds of google will be able to figure out the relevance of what Kjell is talking about. While it may not be directly related to the transmission that is discussed in the comment in the video, a comment about a different 7-spd dsg that is also part of the VAG group is a reasonable comment to make. So let me stop you right there from being a jerk.
@@bitzer8722 There seems to be an issue with your brain because you cant understand basic english. The user asked about the GTI. There is no blagging it, there is no turning it around or trying to worm a point in. He asked about the DQ381. If you too as long as you did to write your comment to think about it. You would understand he asked about the WRONG box on WRONG video. There is so many other videos involving his box in question. Its like asking about icecream on a pizza video. You sir, are special.
It’s been 2 years since this video. Is there a final verdict on the GTI 6 speed DSG vs 7 speed DSG when it comes to tuning, power handling, and overall reliability?
To be honest bro as someone who drove a 7 speed for 2 years daily driving and the frequent harder driving (once almost every week), my clutch wore out very fast and got that replaced with the same clutch that had low mileage, keep in mind i was maintaining my engine transmission and drivetrain religiously. I think with the 7 speed (from what i’ve heard from close friends with hands on experience) upgrading both the clutch and flywheel to aftermarket parts on the 7 speed has great success rate in terms of longevity and reliability, but that shouldn’t be something a consumer of a “sporty car” should deal with especially within a year of ownership at low mileage. However, I have since owned an audi s3 6 speed dsg and that has done me wonders, i haven’t noticed any issues and i’m still finding it extremely smooth for daily driving on and off the track
@@jamesxloanwas your dsg dry clutch 7 speed????
I tell you after extensive experience with the 6 and 7. The 6 has a dry clutch and the 7 is bathed in oil. The 6 does not give problems, the 7 is a lottery, there are owners who report and do not report problems.
@@jamesxloan Reads like a bunch of ignorant hot nonsensical garbage pulled out of your ass to make yourself feel better about your 6 speed. I'm a VW tech with 15 years of experience and the wet clutches on the DQ381 7 speed don't wear out fast at all. Neither in "sporty" applications (like GTI or Golf R) or more regular applications. You're also seemingly talking about a single clutch, when DGS's have clutch packs... Similarly, the flywheel on a DSG is rarely mentioned as just "flywheel", as its a DMG (dual mass flywheel).
This channel is so underrated
7 speed DQ500 is probably the best box out there for the golf R iv got a MK6 golf R and I’m about to drop a RS3 7 speed box in with TVS software 🔥🔥🔥 plus a G25-660 turbo kit
Do you have DSG farts on your 7 speed ? Thanks
Hey, can you do a newer DSG service walk through video sometime? Theres no videos on the newer 7-speed. I want to do mine early at 40k, dont trust the 80k service interval. 🤣
I think 6 speed dsg would be more reliable in heavy traffic or countries with hot weather such as India . As in 6 speed clutch is dip in oil and in 7 speed they say it as a dry clutch but then too some VW dealers are suggesting to change oil at every 40k miles . Don't where that oil is going considering the fact that 7 speed is wet clutch . Don't not expert but yaa the logic is that liquid dissipate more heat then dry ones .
They are both wet clutches my friend the new 7 speed has upgraded better performance clutches that are rated to handle more torque of the new Golf GTI and Golf R but other than that they are pretty much the same
IMHO, if you drive a dry clutch , that’s nothing to do with the transmission fluid. The life expectancy of dry clutch itself is relatively bad if compare to wet if your car is in a heavy traffic area …
I have been fixing these for years, I mean , years….
@@s4127419 so sir it better dsg6 for passat 2.0 tdi 150hp??
@@s4127419 what happens if we miss the dsg oil change at 60k kms mark and do it at 85k ? I'm buying a used mark2 octavia 2012 but the owner has not done the dsg oil change at 60k interval. Please guide. Thanks
they are both wet clutchs i dont understand why people are mentioning the dq200. that didnt come out in 2019. This new both is the DQ381 7 speed dsg and its a wet clutch.
When I bought my 15 year old Audi A3 on 87k, miles, the first thing i had done was the DSG gearbox serviced at audi
I have a 2016 golf gti Autobahn with dsg how should I drive it in heavy traffic and on hills
I did full rebuild on my dsg 7 dq200 after 10 years and 185kkm (dmf, mechatronics and clutchpack).
Yaa those are some pretty common issues with dsg.
How is it functioning now after 2 years? My dq200 got huge bangs on reverse gear and sent to repair. Can the repairs be effective?
@@anandmenon5402 After replacement I still had some small jerking from 2 to 3 gear. It's perfect since around 220kkm. I have 230kkm now and I need to replace water pump which last since the car left factory 😅
@@anandmenon5402 In my opinion you need to replace or fix mechatronics.
@@aashishmalhotraalmost 200km on it,what do do you mean its in issue?
Most of the cars wont even last to 100k
For anyone watching this video the DQ381 is terrible. DQ250 is better.
False. Keep coping.
What’s in the 2011 VW Passat? I’m looking at one and it has the 7 speed
@ZenzDeluxe
Cope and seeeeeeeth
@@ZenzDeluxeinfact, he is right the 7 speed comes with alot of issues. it doesnt have MPI (multi port injection) its DI and one day ur gna get issues with carbon on the valves and ruff idle etc. performance loss. Also with that you get the GPF which is also an issue and REAL world the car is much slow and less tunable. 20ps less with the GPF. Sounds to me like your coping mate. the 6 speed is tried and tested. the 7 is not. even if its just as good. it comes with cars with all the emission rules making it overall a worse choice.
All DSG s are crap
And this is why i got polo gti 2021 it got dq250
Is the new 7 dsg in the mk7.5 gti and gli a wet clutch ?
@@amrashid No, the DQ381 is a wet clutch. You're thinking of the dry clutch DQ200
@@weilandcock Is DSG7 DQ200 0CW good? The first gen *(0AM)* previous to 2014 had some problems.
@@amrashid no its not
It is a wet clutch it just has upgraded higher torque and HP rated clutches to handle the increased power of the new Golf R and Gti and Jetta Gli and Audi S3 they all use that exact same transmission
@@mik55tv22 thanks, that’s what I thought.
Which DSG transmission works on a Tiguan 5N? CCTA 2015
Golf R with 2spd powerglide swap
I know yhis video is a few years old now. But, I was wondering if there is proof of which transmission is better? Looking at going from a Mk6 GTI to a Mk7
Just trying to know what kind of dsg use audi a3 2.0 2018 😭, dq250 or 381?
Possible do swap from DQ250 to DQ381 from Tigun 2.0TSI 190hp?
Is that dq381 in audis too?
Yes, the S3.
@@ZenzDeluxe do you know wich version audi a4 b9 have? My is 2018 2.0 tdi 150 hp
And what about the Seat Toledo Xcellence DSG turbo 2018 ?????
The DQ381 DSG 7 has 80K miles / 120k kilometer service interval, not 40k miles / 60km.
Yes but dont leave it that long change it early. This was done as VW wanted to lower the 5 year service plan costs in some countries. They dont care what happens after 5 years.
I got a question about turbo blankets. I watched a video showing the pros of the turbo blanket, but does the extra heat cause faster wear on the turbo? I believe it increased temp on the hot side of the turbo around 225 Celsius. What is your take on them and their worth?
There is a video in which they answer this question. No it does not cause extra wear and yes they are worth it.
Is DSG7 DQ200 0CW good? The previous gen DSG7 DQ200 0AM had issues.
It is dry clutch so avoid any dual clutch that is dry clutch. Go with DSG DQ 381 or 500 that are wet clutch which are likely mated with powerful motors.
@@ahsanmalik1013 dry clutch is pretty good, but you have to change clutches every 150,000-200,000km ~ 600€
@@dragospahontu But it is dry clutch and apparently doesn’t enjoy the good reputation compared to wet clutch dsg transmission.
@@dragospahontu 180k km for my dsg 7 and 1500€
@@turek737 did you have a chip tune? that's a good price for a full rebuilt.
It is important to change oil after 60,000km even if Volkswagen says it's "life time".
I got the DQ381 2019 R and it feels tight about to go to Stage 2 ecu and TCU not sure how it will go then. But I'm changing the oil early
Does the 7 speed DSG have farts ?
Sure does ! Downpipe helps bring them to life
Sorry but you do not state accurate information regarding the dsg. The old 6 speed code: DQ250 which is very reliable, and the newer dsg 7 speed code : DQ381, is both wet clutch. But from a contruction perspective they are very different. The newer DQ381 has separate oil chambers for the clutch and the mechatronic unit. And where the old DQ250 was/is very reliable, there has been reports that its not quite the same for DQ381. I would cert. find a low milage with the 6 speed DQ250.
The 7 speed dsg is a dry clutch. Uses ATF fluid.
@@KobraPun It is as simple as follows. All manufacturers including VW put a dry clutch DSG on cars with up to 250-260NM. A wet clutch is reserved for engines with more torque than that.
So yes the GTI is definitely wet, probably a DQ381/DQ500. Not all Audi A3 are wet, the Audi A3 with the 1.4L TFSI has a DSG7 DQ200 0CW(2015-), but this is also a reliable transmission after 2015.
On the DSG7 DQ200 0CW(2015-) VW says it is not necessary to change the oil in the mechatronic unit, it is oil for life or 200,000km. However many still chose to change the oil contrary to what VW recommends.
@@dragospahontu the 7 speed DSG in face-lift 2018+ GTIs is a dry clutch set up. I work at a VW dealer and have had one apart.
@@KobraPun what gearbox code was it?
@@dragospahontu 0GC
Do clutch are different in 6 speed and 7 speed gearbox?
Yes they are different the new 7 speed has upgraded better performance clutches that are rated from the factory to handle more torque and HP in order to handle the increased power of the new Golf R and GTI and jetta GLI and Audi S3
@@mik55tv22can i swap my 6 speed gearbox for the 7 speed one?
Nice video buddy! 👍
Dsg7 have been used in VW in Europe since 2010 mainly on tdi's and pretty much the same reliability wise as Dsg6
That’s not even true, the dry clutch 7 speed is known to be less reliable and more prone to wear
@@TONI-bi1lg Would you say that a DSG7 with a 150k miles is a bad idea? Even with consistent service records of DSG/Haldex done ever 48k miles?
@@TONI-bi1lgWRONG. its a wet clutch. Dude your not even on about the same gearbox. The video relates to the 6 speed DSG DQ250 wet clutch gearbox and the 7 speed DSG DQ381 wet clutch gearbox. Check the discription. He says " and in 2019 they switched to the 7 speed". Which is the DQ381. SO what you going on about mate.
About the ones with the "horror stories". I wonder how many of those were from not changing the fluid at every 40,000 miles or sooner if it is needed. Just remember, this is not a magical "lifetime" fluid that never needs to be changed!! Who here had an MK5 Volkswagen with the 09G transmission and heard the bull$hit about lifetime fluid?? How many of those problems could have been prevented if people changed the fluid every *30,000* miles or sooner? Notice I put 30,000 in bold? That is because Volkswagen recommends 60,000 but that seems to me like their way of rolling the dice on you not keeping the vehicle that long and realizing their lies! Why would they lie like this anyhow? It is to make the vehicle seem to need no maintenance so that people are more likely to buy them! I don't know if they also did it to quiet down the ones who stereotype of Volkswagens as being hard to work on. The fact is most newer vehicles are hard to work on now just like that and others may need a lot more. I thought my Jetta was actually reliable! It had the 2.5 and it didn't have high pressure fuel pumps and cam followers or direct injection. The nice thing about port injection rather than direct as I am sure a lot of us know is that the valves are going to be a lot cleaner. The 2.5 has a timing chain which means no belt that can snap. They may stretch but I never heard of one breaking. If direct injection and turbos are your thing, a variant of that 2.5 was used in the TT RS with those things.
Update to this question now please?
You can look at the seat Ibiza Cupra 1.4 tsi with DQ200 crap Motor plus crap gearbox! Take the new Cupra Ibiza 1.8 motor and put the DQ250 and you have a reliable engine plus a reliable gear box
DQ250 is so much better. not only is it more reliable, but it feels much sportier (less smooth but in a good way) and shifts literally twice as fast (DQ381 shifts like a torque converter). that extra gear for highway cruising must be nice tho.
DQ381 has a higher torque limit and holds more power. But from factory, the DQ250 feels much better as a sporty dsg, in the city for a normal person, the new box is better. But all of it gets fixed with a simple tune, makes it much better than the old box imo. But that is my experience, other may have different experiences
Hence is probably why i got it on my GTI Clubsport. Now i only need TVS Engineering worlds best TCU tune for it! 👍
Which is faster and suits in diesel dq200 or 250
@OverGrownApe_001 stock for stock yes, the same and DQ250 feels better when stock that DQ381.
Tuned - DQ381 handles more, you can also see that on drag scene DQ250 owners have issues and DQ381 is ok. DQ381 is basically a repackaged version of the DQ500 but due to the smaller size it doesn’t hold as much power.
Drivability on tuned versions is up to the TCU tune. On some tunes one is better, on others it is swapped.
DQ381 has slightly longer gears and much longer 6th and real overdrive in the form of 7th gear.
ANow back to acceleration - I have friends with a mk7.5 and mk7 R. Exactly the same mods, tune and on the same dyno power difference was 3kw. But the 7.5 is almost 0.2s faster to 100 and 1/4 mile due to the gearing and most likley shift speeds.
@@kaurvali Absolutely correct, thank god for one knowledgeable guy in this comment section. Also, in my opinion (having owned cars with both boxes, both tuned and stock), even on the stock TCU maps, the DQ381 is better for everyday driveability, while still being very sporty when you need it to. In other words, it pretty much has the best of both worlds for the average driver (including "sporty" drivers). Most people that keep regurgitating "new DSG boxes bad" have never driven one of the newer cars and are suffering from cognitive dissonance, clinging to archaic things because they can't afford the new cars yet. It's always the same endless cycle in automotive communities.
Its exactly the same transmission they just upgraded the clutches to be able to handle more torque than the previous 6 speed to be able handle the torque of the of the new Golf R and they changed the software to give better gas mileage thats about it
how can it be the exact same transmission when it has an extra ratio?
Why pull literal lies and nonsense out of your ass? Do people like you get off on just spreading blatant misinformation or what?
DQ250 all day
DSG is King
Whatever u do just dont get a MQB car with the DQ381 7 speed. They come in the 2017+ audi s3 and a few other cars . I had one in my 2018 audi s3 and man i had quite a few scary issues with the trans and they were mostly all suprisingly somehow software related. But even after getting the transmission sofware updated at audi and getting those issues fixed it still felt sloppy for a car of this mileage.. especially when it gears down to 1st gear on its own after a long time of driving. When i first got the car at 26k kms it felt like this too. Pretty shite trans if u ask me. Maybe the previous owner best the piss out of it but ive heard several others with the same car having identical issues
Did it ever throw a code saying transmission error reverse gear not available
Your box had issues. I've had two cars now with this transmission and neither of them had any of the behavior or faults you described above. Both had more than 200k miles and never had any issues or costs besides the 40k maintenance required on them.
Does anyone really actually know if the new 2020 gti dsg and 2020 Audi A3 7 speed s tronic have a damn wet or dry clutch??? Like seriously I've seen dozens of crap online saying it's a wet clutch. And dozens saying it's a dry clutch. And nowhere to really find out the truth
It is as simple as follows. All manufacturers including VW put a dry clutch DSG on cars with up to 250-260NM. A wet clutch is reserved for engines with more torque than that.
So yes the GTI is definitely wet, probably a DQ381/DQ500. Not all Audi A3 are wet, the Audi A3 with the 1.4L TFSI has a DSG7 DQ200 0CW(2015-), but this is also a reliable transmission after 2015.
@@dragospahontu dont seem so simple to anyone online lol. I have 2020 audi A3 S line 2.0t quattro. And it seems like everyone is confused on what exact transmission it is
@@jstephens6021 Americans aren't the brightest bunch out there.
Dq381 if you still havent find and its a wet clutch
@@nickTAMR correct.
And for longitudinally mounted engines the code is DL. L for longbau and Q for quadbau.
They are good entry level transmissions, and if you change the oil on time they will be reliable.
The problem is Volkswagen doesn't explain to people the differences between a dual clutch and torque converter and that's where problems start to appear.
6 speed slare reliable dq250... maintain them properly you'll never have headaches.. dq200 yikes reason why im selling my car .
I have 100k km on my jetta 2016,i think it has dq200,1.4l engine,is it good idea to keep it?
@krkozkrkoz1113 keep it never sold my car it's actually easy to repair them if you are mechanically inclined.
Unit itself is solid, but mechatronic unit is dogshit
I'm pretty sure the 7 speeds are every 60k miles
60k /km
@@jasminm.3501 No, the DQ381 DSG g has 80K miles / 120k kilometer service interval.
@@fredrikmardenfalkhoppe494 On the DSG7 DQ200 0CW(2015-) VW says it is not necessary to change the oil in the mechatronic unit, it is oil for life or 200,000km. However many people decide to ignore this and change the oil, is it a good idea or not?
@@dragospahontu dsg boxes should be serviced every 40k for the 6 speed anyway
@@wakaflockaproject for wet clutches at 60,000km and for the dry clutches I would change the oil after 80,000km
Gaylord Way
If you don’t know the answer and just guessing , why reply at all
Rubbish..100% of dsg will fail.
Nope my 120k km 6speed DSG still operational. Nothing wrong even if I drive it every single day.
If u drive like crazy of course
@@adhikarautomo5693and now ?
Yea okay,a kid like you want to teach germans how to build a gearbox
Is the gli 7 speed DSg using a dry or wet clutch??
Dry clutch 6 speed is wet clutch