Farewell FFXV: Day 11 (Final Thoughts)
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As someone who love FFXV I can say that your videos were very fair and I'm glad you give it a chance and even found stuff to love from it. Love watching the VoDs of the journey.
Cannot wait for the next video!
That's always the saddest part about 15, the potential it had and what we actually got in the end.
"We were close to the level cap, which I think was 99"
Nope. I think this was one of the rare FFs which went over 99. Max cap is 120, and it gets a lot harder to get to it after 100.
At the 10:00 mark onwards reminds me of the helldivers devs arrowhead on their website "a game for everyone is a game for no one"
It'll be interesting seeing your thoughts after youve looked into the dev cycle, even with the trailers too you can see the changes in tone.
It's kinda fun that out of all doors you choose the longest, hardest one, the only one that doesn't allow you to heal with pots, takes a good 8 hours to even get to the last boss in costlemark tower
not like he missed anything good, all the menace dungeons are copy paste
@@ionutalexandru3645 It's probably a bad argument to waste probably 20 hours in total, but poetry on the monoliths was nice
i still find ion's argument about that content as total bullshit. GW2 has an entire pvp map created by a single dudde because he thought wvw needed more maps. GW2's team is incredibly small in comparison to wow's. I fully understand when Ion uses this bit when asked about adding housing, but not when it comes to adding a small change to a single map ihas to be more easily done. I remember the "behind the scennes" stuff they did for cata's launch about the zone redeesigns and the tools wow had back then... Ion is just covering for the fact that Bobby kept cutting his budget even if WoW ie the cash cow of Blizzard.
10/10 objective breakdown of the final product. Love you Preach.
Hey team, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate this channel. I'm a certified vod watcher, but these days I'm not able to watch through entire streams. I really appreciate the effort to upload summary videos like this. They really help me keep up with the playthroughs.
Love the jumping puzzle. It took me right at four hours but it's honestly one of my gaming achievements I feel like. No guide, terrible movement, but props to the guy who made it because it is a masterpiece
I do appreciate that when they put the story on rails it's by actually going on a train. Gotta railroad the player both literally and figuratively.
"we cant have that mini game like in the past"
damn i cant wait for mike to play rebirth 🎉
9:50 I believe it's a "Final Fantasy for Fans and First Timers" - FFXV is definitely not my first recommendation, it's either FFIV to be familiar with the party roles or FFX for game mechanics.
16:04 Still bummed that they changed Noctis' final line during the campfire scene in the English Version.
"Thank you everyone, I love you guys" > "You guys...are the best"
21:43 But Mike, we missed out on Dark Lunafreya and Bahamut's face looking like Ardyn's brother and Noctis 😔
This has honestly been a wonderful format, basically saying whatever comes to mind as you play this till the credits roll. Can't wait for your thoughts on FFII and FXIII
FF15 was the first game I got every achievement for, It was hard for me to get into, but once I understood combat better it was a game where I wanted to find everything.
I still remember it's first trailer when it was still considered part of the FFXIII series... that didn't make any sense at the time but it looked very cool. Honestly it's bottom of my FF tier list right next to FFXIII for me.
Had everything people love about FF except a finished storyline and turn based combat. Pre-Altissa is amazing despite the flaws and is the only reason I'll end up replaying in the future. Love camping with the boys.
On another note, not sure if Bex or Chris has told you, Mike, about World of Final Fantasy but I really hope you play it when you are done with your FF journey. Other than some kiddie dialogue and too-easy difficulty, that game is a true love story to the franchise that is really fun to play.
For anyone who happens to replay this, and gets to Costlemark, the dungeon Preach got stuck in... Three of the four paths have alternate routes which lead to the end of the dungeon. Only one of the four paths, the first one you open, is actually one-track. The rest have a path to the end.
Ion's comments about the sword are still so shallow and misses the whole reason people had a problem with it. It's not that people want everything, it's that you deliberately ignored a major plot hole for years and joked about it whenever people brought it up. It would have been one thing to say "We have a plan, please be patient." But all people ever got was "What sword?"
I hope you found the thing where they state that commercials from before they redid the game's plot are part of the cannon as parallel timelines.
This is very fun to listen to now that FF7 rebirth came out and somehow managed to actually do it.
It will be interesting to see what Mike thinks after playing Rebirth. I feel like Rebirth is their answer to 15 in a way.
Based on this video,I genuinely can't wait to see Mike play FF7 Rebirth. I think he's going to have an awesome time.
"You can't have all the things."
Oh I can't wait to see you test that belief with FF7 Rebirth.
rebirth done something that cant expect to experience it again like in 90s
it so amazing
Yeah, turns out with a proper dev cycle and consistent vision, you CAN have all the things
I think it was the right call for Squenix to split the game into 3. It is a bit like the Yakuza formula of developing systems and assets that can be reused and improved in future titles.
@@barisaxman2 i feel like nowaday if we want quality and every content seem rich like in 90s do trilogy might not be a bad thing
I actually think that rebirth has a scope limit that XV does not, they defined a formula that they spread around all the world map and they definitely never went out of scope on the formula (towers, intel search, fights, side quests, mini games and protorelic quests -> with variations on each region), each region has a different vehicle or chocobo skill to traverse it (this way there is variety when exploring each zone), some regions are more vertical and others more simple to navigate.
With this formula in place they spread it around the whole game and we get a 100+ hour game with decently designed exploration and combat encounters, while also having the story moments in linearly designed areas (dungeons or towns).
XV on the other hand, almost tried to see what sticks to a wall and while it succeeded on some areas it also failed massively on others.
What I love about FFXV are the themes, powers and music.
I think that Ardyn is literally an allegory to the story of Jesus Christ. That sounds schizo. But he, like Jesus, was chosen to die for the salvation of mankind, he would literally take man's darkness (sins) inside him, but unlike Jesus, he wasn't down with it, he also got slowly corrupted by this darkness, it humanizes the character. He was against being used as the sacrificial lamb for the sins of the people and undergo all of this unfairness, he chose to rebel against this destiny.
It's the story of the ultimate sacrifice, by the most virtuous human, who was to have everything taken away from him, betrayed and murdered by those who he sought to protect, all in order to save them from the blight. So, he decides to find another way, he decides to defy God and for this, he is made to suffer even more. Truly a tragic story. And this is why it makes me angry that the game was never actually finished, because Ardyn never got his redemption, we never got to see the true end, the right end to his tale, the end to the line of Lucis.
In a way, it's kinda fitting... everything was taken away from him, they even took away his happy ending lmfao.
They wanted all the things everyone loves about FF games except turn based battles lol
To be fair, the splash screen message is "A Final Fantasy for Fans and First-Timers Alike"
They don't mean literally everyone, but you can kinda feel that's absolutely what the game is trying to be.
You should look into the game's development history. The project was managed by Testsuya Nomura when it was still "Versus XIII" and the guy could not settle on what the game should be. One time he proposed to the CEO of SE that the game should be a musical after watching "La La Land" in which the CEO had had enough and transferred the project to Hajime Tabata. The retail version of the game that we have, in actuality, only had about 2 years of development in which Tabata had to scrape together what he could from Nomura's concepts and ideas and practically created an entire new game. This signified a greater issue at SE in which project producers have way too much control over their projects, and this is why people like Yoshida is so highly regarded within the company because the dude actually delivers projects on time and within budget.
do you happen to have a source for the nomura stuff?
man that sounds like a sales guy who got into management with barely any knowledge.
@Xxoccify he's probably referring to an old mistranslated comment from Nomura where he wanted a musical segment in the game like FF6 has and it was after he saw "Les Miserables" or something. Look the guys not a good management director absolutely but the project had people moved every which way to help with other poorly managed projects like main FF13.
@@hilldill8 so the commenter is talking out of his ass, I figured
Pitioss is my favorite part of FFXV.
Tell Bex to breathe.. The channel hit 50k subs!
"who has a job, wife, kids" - well I have only 1 of those (a job) and I still was really bored by the dungeon in question, but ultimately I don't think the idea of dedicating time to an RPG to be that absurd.
LMAO he said the thing "can't have nice thing cuz it will cost us a raid"
Preach is definitely gonna have to play Reynatis when it comes out, it's so clearly versus XIII, and they even had the original screen writer andthe ost guy as well, too bad they did'nt get nomura, but I guess he's too busy with Rebirth and KH4 (Verum rex cof cof)
That sword has nothing happening around it, but yet there are still cataclysm tornados in Westfall, and those incompetent dwarves still haven’t rebuilt Loch Modan. Those devs are lazy.
Did he ever react to the old versus 13 trailers?
Jump Quests have been a thing of horror for me since Maple Story 20 years ago.
Preach didn't fight Omega? I would have love to hear the rant about 2 hour fight.
Has Preach ever tried a Yakuza game? It is generally considered to be the "gold standard" for open world *density*, not in scope though
Did preach watch the original versus trailer? FF15 went through development hell for like a decade and once you know that then everything clicks why it tries to do so many different things and why they are all not that good.
I love how confident he is with pulling zero information from his ass. It's kinda insulting to be honest.
SE's behind the scenes/workflow/dev cycle stuff was just the worst for years and you can really see it in their games from FFXII through to KH3. 7 Remake & 16 were their first titles in a long time where everything went relatively well/normal behind the scenes and it shows big time.
They've since basically restructered the whole company in to the various "Creative Business Unit's" now so hopefully we never return to those days.
To be fair. We did warn you. I actually wanted them to put something like Pitios into FF14. The end game dungeons and masteries really is where I spent ludicrous amounts of time with FF15
While I mostly agree with the fact that you can't have everything in a game, and most games that try suffer for that, Warframe seems to be doing a pretty good job of sticking every different kind of gameplay known to man in one game.
And then abadoning it for the next, piling unpolished gameplay one after the other
The boy band thing was the reason I initially didn't look to pick this game up, but those early reviews just tanked all interest. Thank you Preach, for all your hard work. Now I know, with absolute certainty, that I will never, *EVER* purchase this game.
I played it at launch - and at the time I was enjoying myself, it was the new FF game afterall. But after the hype died down and brain returned to normal, I started seeing the flaws..a lot of it. I have never picked it up again, have not even tried the royal edition…even though it is included in the PS+ catalogue.
Great choice.
This game is dog shit, even if you’re a fan of final fantasy. I’d recommend staying away from this trash as well as the 13 trilogy. High tier crap from both entries that don’t deserve the name of the franchise
@mnopinion the exact same experience I had. I've never picked it back up like other FF games and never intend to
When people gonna tell him that the fact it is even a game itself is also scope creep because it was initially FF13 sequel
FFXIII Versus
He very much already knows this. It was told to him by his chat 30 million times.
Eagle Canyon hahaha, love it.
The Mindest at around 5:00 is what ruins games nowadays. You dont play games to be able to finish them you play them for fun. If you think its more fun or more important to do something else then do it. Don't try to ruin stuff for other ppl because you dont want to spend that much time on it. In the end its a choice. If you like playing games and you got yourself a wife that hates games you fked up not the game
eh, the puzzle dungeon is not that bad. it's fun.
Loved the game, but just couldn't touch the DLCs. They should've been in the maingame and it should have been a masterpiece but sadly it wasn't
so he never killed omega?
7 Rebirth made the same mistakes as 15. They're trying to please everyone with timeline b.s. They haven't learned anything.
FF15 is a game that i've always loved in spite of its flaws. Thanks for giving it a fair shake, Mike.
When it first came out, i was in awe of the scope of the set piece moments and thought that was the coolest thing i'd ever seen in a videogame outside of something like Dragon's Dogma.
I followed it from its original reveal as Versus 13 all the way through development hell and into what it became. I played it at release and absolutely didn't hate it. I loved the journey of the boys, true friends who really cared about each other. The story problems weren't a big deal to me and, honestly, still aren't a big deal to me. I never watched the anime. I never read the novel, and I REALLY don't think that detracted from my experience. It always kills me when people say that you have to have all this extra context to understand things when in my experience, that's just... not true?
I don't know. 15 means a lot to me for a lot of reasons. There's so much passion evident in some of the little moments in the game and even though the whole vision never came to light for various reasons, i'm glad we still got SOMETHING, all things considered. I hope one day we can get a do-over for the game/setting/story/world because there was so much potential there if the gameplay was ironed out and the vision was solid from the beginning. People can shit on it all they want, but i'll defend parts of it till the bitter end.
Also, Ardyn is still one of my favorite antagonists in the FF games i've played. I cannot be convinced otherwise.
It'll be interesting to see his reaction to Rebirth, as it does all of the things, incredibly well, including its mini games and side quests
Ions logic is so stupid. They make new useless zones nobody likes all the time and they couldnt do anything around the sword?
Bullshit.
I think Skill up’s general thoughts from his review all those years ago sum it up perfectly,
This game is a fractured, flawed gem, but I had a lot of fun, and ultimately isn’t that what videogames are for?
I enjoyed my time with FF15. It wasn't a perfect game and had plenty of flaws, but it was a good time and had great moments in the story. I had forgot about that secret jumping puzzle... I actually really enjoyed it and I've never had a puzzle give me anxiety before lol.
Also, FF15 still > FF13. 😆
Did you try FF XIII? Or is this still on the waiting list?
Still on the waiting list. I think he's currently playing FF2 now.
just started today :D
FF15 fell so FF7R and FF16 could run. Being the first Action RPG combat of the FF series, we can see FF15's influence in modern FF games.
Sounds like the Resident Evil 6 of the FF series-a bloated mess of a game intended to please everyone as the "ultimate entertainment experience."
If they wanted to make the "Ultimate FF" they would have had more traditional turn based combat.
This game is a victim of a bad director, Nomura was constantly coming in with new ideas and making his team create for whatever random idea he had at the time at one point this game was a MUSICAL if he hadn't been removed from the project I imagine it would have been even worse
The games got problems as expected for being the 1st real attempt at making an open world FF game. However I still loved this game. If anything, just for being one of only a few titles in the franchise that is sad.
ff15 best FF
Now you have to play the Kingdom Hearts franchise to get the true FFXV story 😂😂
Yoshi P FFs> Nomura FFs
This not Nomura's game, educate yourself before you start talking nonesense.
Nomura had almost nothing to do with XV. He was behind Versus XIII yes, but very little of what was supposed to be Versus XIII ended up being in XV
look man i love yoshi p but this is just ridiculous lmao
is Nomura in the room with us right now?
interesting how this fella made an statement and you lot are up in arms