The term "dolling up" or "getting dolled up" is australian slang for getting dressed up. Its not super commonly used but it's a thing and may not specifically be referring to the whole 'lolita living doll' thing.
helia axis We also say this in the States and Canada, but it’s not very commonly used as well and is considered kind of dated/quirky phrasing. Lor commenting on it means it’s likely the production team was really pushing for that kind of terminology because it “fit” the narrative they wanted to present.
Nobody: Start of a documentary: During day we're normal people like everyone else but in night we wear frilly pink dresses and sacrifice random kids to God we call "Misako"
[EDIT: he broke up with me :))))] one time when my boyfriend and i were going out, this was like late last month, i was telling him about how excited i was to get one of my dream prints (cats tea party) and i told him i didnt know what to wear for our date and he said 'why not wear the cat dress youre excited about?' the whole time i was getting ready and waiting for him to pick me up, i was scared. but when he seen me he kept telling me how cute i looked in the dress and everything, and when he was taking me back home he put my headbow on which made me 🥺 i told him how my parents dont support me and my lolita adventures, and he said he still dont really understand it but supports anything that makes me happy :') 💝
I know just how you feel Lor. A former friend would tell me that my lolita dresses were "sexual" because they were short. Needless to say we aren't friends anymore for many reasons, but that was one of them.
I’ve gotten stares but mostly what I get is excited kids, middle aged ladies who want to know more, old ladies very amused, and one time a teenage girl who knew what the fashion was!
Me too! Most people are brave enough to say anything mean to you to your face. So many kids ask me if I’m a princess and a lot of old ladies like it bc I look “old-fashioned” and “modest”
I actually love to hear you talk about how documentaries are filmed and given bias from the creators and things like that. I always want to hear more when you start to talk about things related to filming and your experience with it. I’d love to hear about your thoughts about these kinds of documentaries from the perspective of your experience with filming as well!
I totally get the whole people wanting to sleep with you because of your style. I dressed relatively alternative (range of styles but mostly typical e-girl/punk) and men only see me as a "big tiddy goth gf". It's happened since I started dressing different (when I was under age).Yes my style is something that is attractive and interesting about me but it's not the only thing that makes me interesting or/and attractive.
I get if you find a style attractive or “sexual” but that doesn’t mean you should sexualize the PEOPLE wearing the clothes we don’t sexualize people just bc of what they wear !
It’s kind of odd since lolita isn’t really a sexy style, like it isn’t meant to be seen that way, but I guess some people are just inherently so because of how attractive they are?
They technically come from the same etymological root. That is, taking the word "bro" and slapping it with another word. In this case, lolita and pony.
@@NIHIL_EGO referring to modern made terms as words with "etymological roots" is so funny to me like ik that's just how it works but it's funny for some reason
"Exclusively what and restrictive to whom?" I HATE!!!!! documentaries that make lolita this sad, lonely, exclusive, weird thing. It is not that secretive and if you want to get into the fashion just reach out to your community! I would love to see a more recent doc about adults and POC and trans-litas in it. Let's get that ball rolling, guys!!!
I showed my friend at work the dress I had just ordered and one said “that’s so weird. Nobody really wears that” but the other was like “that’s SO cute! Life would be way more interesting if everyone just wore pretty fluffy dresses day to day!”
I remember the day my ex asked if he could have sex with me in my cosplay. I know there are girls out there who it’s their kink, but cosplay is an art from and a way I express myself. The worst part and when I got him to clarify why he would ask me that, he just answered with “well who wouldn’t want to have sex with *insert my favourite cosplay character here*” It was so humiliating, I’m glad we broke up 😣
I was a part of this comm when the doco was being made and everything about it seemed sooo sketchy. I didn't end up attending any of the meets they had planned for this doco. Once it aired I remember the whole community being quite shocked with how it was edited. I'm really glad I couldn't make it in the end. Also that comm in particular has always been a little bit exclusive and makes it quite tough for people to be a part of it, so the doco got that bit right but pretty much nothing else.
One of my gorgeous friends was in this doco! I think it's important to note with the anonymous and secretive nature of this media is that despite Australian culture being laid back, it's also quite conservative with very large parts of the country being rural. There is definitely more of a value placed on conformity. However there are exceptions. The Australian lolitas are definitely still active!
I am a Japanese lolita. It seems many lolitas overseas are sick of being called a living doll? They often describe lolita fashion as rococo inspired, but I've never felt that's accurate. Our fashion has more influence from antique french dolls. No wonder I never see lolitas from other countries wearing the ball-jointed doll tights that's super popular here in Japan. They don't want to look like a doll.....
Ooh, that’s actually an interesting point of view. As a Japanese lolita, would you say being compared to a doll is offensive? I know everyone has their own different thoughts about it, but it would be a useful thing to learn.
I think it might be because that’s just not what they are going for, some lolitas don’t mind but a lot of the time, in the west at least, people who are seen as living dolls are not the same as people who wear lolita.
@@alice-8566 ya I live in New York and a lot of people separate it by saying their into doll core or Lolita fashion solely or either explain that they have an interest in both and tend to mix it together. For example my other friend who’s been wearing Lolita since before me is super into also looking like a doll and tends to use makeup effects to do so while wearing Lolita fashion where as for me I’m solely into just Lolita but still admire the doll core aesthetic as well.
I used to be (sorta) part of one of the comms in Australia (I won’t say which city.) It was honestly both one of the best and worst times of my life. It was so stereotypically bitchy and horrible. But I did meet some cool people lmao. I learnt a lot during that time.
Im semi part of my local comm (fellow Aussie) and they seem like lovely people! They are just two hours away from me and I have yet to go to their events!
I love you and Holly Lor Tekko announced your return and I'm so freaking excited I missed out last year i hope i can catch you when your not overwhelmed and can say hi and group hug you both. You are sweet and i watched your video being Tyler recently and was cracking up. All three of you are amazing ladies. I don't wear lolita but highly appreciate the styles and your informative views ive learned a lot since i started watching your videos
@18:20 it has ewer views compared to some other lolita documentaries as this is actually a re-post of the original video - many Australian lolitas were calling them out in the youtube comments so they removed the video and later re-posted it under the different name. Can also confirmed many lolitas at the high tea were interviewed, myself included, trying to get us to talk about negative experiences but lost interest and moved on quickly when we spoke about enjoying the fashion to feel pretty and have fun with friends
I remember someone saying that the initial number of people interviewed for this was over 40, mostly at the tea party event. That blows my mind, considering they used almost none of it.
Thanks for doing a reaction video shining more light on the Aussie community! I've only recently become part of a few comms in Australia (so missed the booming years around 2015) but I'd say most people are chill. If you ever wanted to visit our country, let me know! Would be keen on showing you around and organising an event to meet comms. I'm currently living in Oslo, Norway though so it'll have to wait until after I'm back home (and after the covid-19 situation).
I feel incredibly lucky that my SO thinks lolita is an amazing fashion. He likes to dress in Victorian goth attire, so when we meet up, we dress up together and look all snazzy 😁
Hey lor! In australia and Nz lolita is nowhere near as widely accepted or publicly okay as the US and canada! As a kiwi whose been in the USA a few months, I can confirm that thouhh perhaps a little over emphasized, people WILL be rude to you on the street far more than polite/complimentary (thats not to say we dont still get compliments and smiles, and our xenophobic cultures become more open and accepting every day♡ )
I've had more good than bad experiences in Sydney, but never in the US did I get anything as abusive as here, either. Everything from Two Dollar Whore to Plastic Barbie Bitch.
I remember seeing this doc when I was in highschool and wanting to do lolita... Also I live in basically a retirement town and old people compliment me all the time. Only teenagers in highschool make fun of me and not to my face and I don't care, it makes me laugh.
Hiya! My comm (Adelaide) was featured in this video, I was interviewed but it got cut. Honestly I found the producers to be really quite nice and genuinely interested in what I had to say, there were no leading questions and it was mostly talking about how my daily life contrasted with the lolita aesthetic. I was really surprised when the segment aired (it was shown on national television as part of a youth current affairs show) and it'd been edited to skew towards the whole living doll stereotype, because I didn't get the impression that that was the point they were trying to make, so it was a little disappointing. I can say though that we do feel quite defensive, because we do experience more than our fair of heckling/weird stares/photos taken without our consent both as a group at meetups and individually. I don't know if maybe theres a larger proportion of dickheads here or if people are just more vocal about it. P.S. as a moderator of the adl comm, we'd love to have you, but we can't guarantee an audience of more than 20 people lol.
It made me laugh honestly when the doc was trying to make lolita seem like some secret illuminati-esque club. Like, most comms I know of on the average end have 100+ members or even more. That's not all that super secret. I get why they would focus some on the negative aspects of it like what lolitas may struggle with because those are clearly true and valid, but as I tend to hear from many others as well as my own experience, the positives definitely outweigh the negative. I have yet to get any weird sexual comments (thankfully) while in lolita (probably because my hubby scares creepers off) but I have gotten plenty of dirty looks and mocking whispers and gestures. Yet I've also had so many compliments from people primarily older ladies and kids and it always makes me feel happy and forget the negative stuff.
I remember seeing this years ago and finding the knees very disquieting. Why knees? I also hate that the documentary makers did the community a disservice because I remember hearing about a horrible tragedy related to it where someone was murdered and that’s just WILD to me.
@@WhimsicalNessa Sadly, there was a young girl who was also a lolita who was murdered in 2015 but it was a random attack and unrelated to her being a lolita (I don't think she was in it at the time) and this documentary but it was tragic nonetheless
Lolita is very much alive and well in Australia! We mostly look with envy at Europe, Asia & the Americas with their big brand tea parties and events lol. It’s just too hard and expensive to have the same opportunities as bigger countries. We would love to have you visit us one day!
Men in Australia feel very confident catcalling you, especially if you're presenting as feminine or innocent. I don't think they're exaggerating at all tbh, but its not a lolita specific experience
honestly i don't understand why people have things against lolita? like?? it's just a fashion style, can they all calm tf down lol it's the weirdest thing ever btw this is coming from someone who doesn't wear lolita or planning on doing so but i just really like your videos
Omg my cat loves playing with those streamers haha, we got some for my sister's birthday party years ago and they've just been hanging on the wall since
6:40 From what I know, there's a more masculine version of lolita called ouji, and it comes in all the same variants as lolita. I don't know as much about ouji, so there may be more differences or they may just be the same thing, but I think they're both really cool fashions. Edit: this comment kinda came off as if men can't wear lolita and women can't wear ouji, so I'd just like to clarify that's not what I meant. From the information I have, I see lolita as a more feminine fashion and ouji as a more masculine fashion, but that doesn't mean it's not for anyone of any gender. I hope that helped get what I was trying to say across properly.
@@kateruggeri7974 Yeah what's up with that? They left some comments that criticize the living doll aspect but deleted others, which were helpful to people wanting to learn about the subject.
@@kittycat7471 I really have no idea. The Facebook comments when they posted the link on their page were a bit of a shitstorm, so maybe they just wiped everything and only a few things survived? I'm about 90% sure I commented on this video when it first came out.
As someone that doesn't wear lolita but is in a community that's also seen as odd sometimes (AKA cosplayers). I have to agree. the amount of times that people have just been over all curious and asked questions. or just gave my group some wonderful compliments. WAY out weighs the amount of times I've had bad experience. Thats coming from someone who use to run around the mall in full cosplay in the early 2000's. ^^ love your content btw lor
When are people going to understand that you will not sound informed to anyone who is actually educated about a type of fashion if you use terminology for it that's incorrect, not just lolita fashion but *all* fashion and you will be spreading misinformation. (Speaking to the people who make docs, interviews and articles like these- not Lor)
Hi! Im currently studying the semiotics and the origins of lolita, and have read a few essays saying that it originated from working class who felt pressure from adult life and social/ economic changes and wanting to find comfort in lost childhood freedom. Is this still something you agree with, and is it somethig lolitas still resonate with or does it have a new meaning?
Hey, I have a question. I'm a trans guy and really like lolita but I'm not comfortable wearing skirts, so I was wondering if there's an option for doing something similar but with pants? I really love the cute aesthetic but I'd like to give it a "masculine" spin, is it possible? I don't care about fitting into a gender stereotype, I just want to find clothes that I like, and I love lolita. Love your videos btw!
I'm not Lor, but...Ouji! Ouji is lolita's trouser counterpart, so to speak. All the frills and lace with none of the skirts, and heels are even more optional! I've been looking into ouji myself, since I love lace and pretty stuff but hate wearing poofy skirts (and lolita skirts are the definition of poofy, as I'm sure you've seen, good sir). I haven't figured out where to find patterns yet, but ouji is definitely a thing. The channel Attitude Lolita has a basic overview on ouji and another "masc" lolita counterpart style called kodona.
@@BraveEmpress Tanks a lot! From what I see by just looking at a beginners guide, it seems Ouji is just what I was looking for, a perfect match! So happy to have found this. Thanks again, and have a nice day!
I wish pittsburgh people were nice to me when I wore lolita WHEEZE i live here and i legit saw a girl go make a stank face and go "this is why I dont go outside" as I walked past her. Im not saying everyone in pittsburgh is small minded b-but
When you speed up your voice to this high pitched state, could you maybe add subtitles there ? Because I've never been able to understand what you're saying and it's not easy on my ears to process. Thanks you for being considerate :)
My english is really bad. But I must say that you are really cute. I have to smile when you smile. And I love how you say how cute the people in the video look in their clothes.
I am an Australian lolita, I will let you know when our next big event is, however our international borders look like they will be closed for a while lmao
To be honest, as an Australian who isn't lolita but has an alternative style I can totally see Aussies being "rude" about it. My style isn't' as "out there" but is alternative and people are rude about it all the time. In Aus most people judge you if you don't wear a tank top, shorts and some thongs (the shoes)
Just about 3 minutes in the documentary and I agree that secrective thing is cringe worthy and plus, if it's a secret they have to hide from their family are they sure their family will never find this documentary?? also I'm so in awe with your coord today Lor, just perfect with all the red and white details. And pink maybe? Not sure if their is pink as well. But I like the play of colours so much! Like even your nails and that beautiful necklace and aww
I just got an ad on this vid!! Muting it and will let it run through :3 I thought you couldn't get ads on the react stuff, so I' happy if that has changed!
I remember you said you went to film school and studied documentaries so given the fact that you have the know how and are in the fashion and community why don’t you make a documentary in a way that you think and feel would accurately describe the fashion without misconceptions and over use of clickbait..... I’m sorry if this came off passive aggressive or if it seems like I’m trying to pressure you I just think you could do a really good job
Lovely Lor has been involved in the making of a documentary about Lolita's and I've seen it but I can't remember , but I'm sure others will see your message and link the video.
Lor was in 2 documentaries I believe? Weird threads, and a longer documentary interviewer her and 3 other lolitas, which is a couple years older. Don't remember it's name though unfortunately 😅
@@Lytah84 I think they were trying to say Lor should actually MAKE one, not just be in it. Plus, the other documentaries are several years old, so it would be cool to see a more recent documentary but its up to her
Lor, where I live in Australia people say sexual remarks in any regard anyway very often. When you wear lolita, or anything else out of the ordinary, you WILL get sexual comments :(
I changed in a public bathroom in the station in Japan. I didn't think the stall would be so small. 😂 I regret trying to change out of a petticoat in a small bathroom stall. Also! I've only work Lolita out once, and I got so many compliments. No one said anything bad 😂
Thank you for pointing out the "brolita" thing. There are so many trans women in lolita fashion who get misgendered because of the popularity of this term, even though it's a fashion used very often so that trans women can finally express their femininity. Plus even if someone is a man (a cis man or a trans man) they're just a lolita, just like everyone else.
literally no one: the documentary: in the daytime I'm just a normal person with a normal life but at night we get into our fluffy pink dresses and kidnap and sacrifice children to the god we call "Osoroshii Kirameki"
I think their reason of the changing in toilets is really not to make it a secret society, but rather to make it some perverse fetish thingy that we have to skulk around and change in public toilet.. It is the vibe I am getting.. the shock value
Them: lolita is like a secret society Me (a non lolita): 😏 I would wear it but it’s too expensive but I have a bodyline dress my parents said they liked but really only my mom saw it and I never wore it in public or outside my room 😂 when I’m old enough to get a job I plan on buying more lolita pieces
As a man, I find it easier to call my fashion by its subset name, aristocrat goth, than lolita. I wear male gendered clothing (think vampire prince) and I think if I call myself Lolita, people would assume I dress in a female way in dresses and skirts.
The term "dolling up" or "getting dolled up" is australian slang for getting dressed up. Its not super commonly used but it's a thing and may not specifically be referring to the whole 'lolita living doll' thing.
helia axis We also say this in the States and Canada, but it’s not very commonly used as well and is considered kind of dated/quirky phrasing. Lor commenting on it means it’s likely the production team was really pushing for that kind of terminology because it “fit” the narrative they wanted to present.
Like they said we also use it in the states!
The phrase is not exclusive to Australia. It is commonly used in the south (in the USA) as well to mean the same thing.
It’s common here in the States too not sure how she managed to avoid it 😂
We say that in Ireland and people in the UK say it too
Nobody:
Start of a documentary: During day we're normal people like everyone else but in night we wear frilly pink dresses and sacrifice random kids to God we call "Misako"
As gothic lolitas we offer sacrifises to our lord and savior mana sama
kalifo the alice as a goth I’ve fallen victim to sacrifice to mana sama. And it was AWESOME
[EDIT: he broke up with me :))))]
one time when my boyfriend and i were going out, this was like late last month, i was telling him about how excited i was to get one of my dream prints (cats tea party) and i told him i didnt know what to wear for our date and he said 'why not wear the cat dress youre excited about?' the whole time i was getting ready and waiting for him to pick me up, i was scared. but when he seen me he kept telling me how cute i looked in the dress and everything, and when he was taking me back home he put my headbow on which made me 🥺
i told him how my parents dont support me and my lolita adventures, and he said he still dont really understand it but supports anything that makes me happy :') 💝
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That's too cute djdjjcjkls
That's fantastic! It sounds like he genuinely supports you even if he doesnt understand yet:)
Oh my gooood yes that’s so cute
Keep him
AWWWWWWWWW
Bruh I thought you're gonna get up and put on a green coord to match the can
Not Me that would be amazing
Me too! I was like “damn she’s doing a full outfit change she’s COMMITED”
"is this couple still together?" 🥺
*no*
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The last time I was this early, Cat's Teaparty was still in stock.
I remember watching this and having second hand anxiety that the girls mom would see this video. I hope they are doing well!
it was another 'story' the producers of the doco pushed on them
missdaydreamillusion Oh! I was almost worried that their mother basically forced them to quit lolita.
Me too! God Bless everyone!
That's MY HEADDRESS! Lovely Lor likes my headdress! I made it myself.
It’s beautiful, great work!
It's so pretty!
I know just how you feel Lor. A former friend would tell me that my lolita dresses were "sexual" because they were short. Needless to say we aren't friends anymore for many reasons, but that was one of them.
I’m sorry, but who looks at lolita dresses and think, “Oh, these frilly and adorable dresses are sexual!”...
Hanging Fuchsias That is sadly, but absolutely true:
I’ve gotten stares but mostly what I get is excited kids, middle aged ladies who want to know more, old ladies very amused, and one time a teenage girl who knew what the fashion was!
Me too! Most people are brave enough to say anything mean to you to your face. So many kids ask me if I’m a princess and a lot of old ladies like it bc I look “old-fashioned” and “modest”
I actually love to hear you talk about how documentaries are filmed and given bias from the creators and things like that. I always want to hear more when you start to talk about things related to filming and your experience with it. I’d love to hear about your thoughts about these kinds of documentaries from the perspective of your experience with filming as well!
I totally get the whole people wanting to sleep with you because of your style. I dressed relatively alternative (range of styles but mostly typical e-girl/punk) and men only see me as a "big tiddy goth gf". It's happened since I started dressing different (when I was under age).Yes my style is something that is attractive and interesting about me but it's not the only thing that makes me interesting or/and attractive.
Right? Like you can think someone is hot or attractive in a certain style but as long as they also like you for you, no matter the style
Nanami Haruka exactly!!! 💓
I get if you find a style attractive or “sexual” but that doesn’t mean you should sexualize the PEOPLE wearing the clothes we don’t sexualize people just bc of what they wear !
It’s kind of odd since lolita isn’t really a sexy style, like it isn’t meant to be seen that way, but I guess some people are just inherently so because of how attractive they are?
that leg shot was so unnecessary and weird
I think they were trying to recreate one of the Lolita book covers. It is a really weird and inappropriate shot.
6:53 “brolita” makes me think of the term “brony “
OH GOD
They technically come from the same etymological root. That is, taking the word "bro" and slapping it with another word. In this case, lolita and pony.
@@NIHIL_EGO referring to modern made terms as words with "etymological roots" is so funny to me like ik that's just how it works but it's funny for some reason
"Exclusively what and restrictive to whom?"
I HATE!!!!! documentaries that make lolita this sad, lonely, exclusive, weird thing. It is not that secretive and if you want to get into the fashion just reach out to your community! I would love to see a more recent doc about adults and POC and trans-litas in it. Let's get that ball rolling, guys!!!
I showed my friend at work the dress I had just ordered and one said “that’s so weird. Nobody really wears that” but the other was like “that’s SO cute! Life would be way more interesting if everyone just wore pretty fluffy dresses day to day!”
I remember the day my ex asked if he could have sex with me in my cosplay. I know there are girls out there who it’s their kink, but cosplay is an art from and a way I express myself. The worst part and when I got him to clarify why he would ask me that, he just answered with “well who wouldn’t want to have sex with *insert my favourite cosplay character here*” It was so humiliating, I’m glad we broke up 😣
My boyfriend literally asked me this recently saying he wanted to "rip my bodysuit off" me, I was like???? No???? This costs money dude wtf🤣
Jess seriously!! I do NOT need any bodily fluids on my ball gown thank you very much 😤
It's always a strange, uncomfortable thing where they want to have sex with this character and not you, and it feels bad.
suzubee especially when it’s a character they know you have a really strong connection to on a personal level
I'm glad you aren't together anymore because a LOT of work goes into cosplay! Aside from that, boundaries should be respected 💖
I was a part of this comm when the doco was being made and everything about it seemed sooo sketchy. I didn't end up attending any of the meets they had planned for this doco. Once it aired I remember the whole community being quite shocked with how it was edited. I'm really glad I couldn't make it in the end. Also that comm in particular has always been a little bit exclusive and makes it quite tough for people to be a part of it, so the doco got that bit right but pretty much nothing else.
One of my gorgeous friends was in this doco! I think it's important to note with the anonymous and secretive nature of this media is that despite Australian culture being laid back, it's also quite conservative with very large parts of the country being rural. There is definitely more of a value placed on conformity. However there are exceptions. The Australian lolitas are definitely still active!
Cant beat a red and white coord 😍
Absolutely love the make up Lor
(doll costumes had me dying 😂😂)
I am a Japanese lolita. It seems many lolitas overseas are sick of being called a living doll? They often describe lolita fashion as rococo inspired, but I've never felt that's accurate. Our fashion has more influence from antique french dolls. No wonder I never see lolitas from other countries wearing the ball-jointed doll tights that's super popular here in Japan. They don't want to look like a doll.....
Ooh, that’s actually an interesting point of view. As a Japanese lolita, would you say being compared to a doll is offensive? I know everyone has their own different thoughts about it, but it would be a useful thing to learn.
I think it might be because that’s just not what they are going for, some lolitas don’t mind but a lot of the time, in the west at least, people who are seen as living dolls are not the same as people who wear lolita.
@@alice-8566 ya I live in New York and a lot of people separate it by saying their into doll core or Lolita fashion solely or either explain that they have an interest in both and tend to mix it together. For example my other friend who’s been wearing Lolita since before me is super into also looking like a doll and tends to use makeup effects to do so while wearing Lolita fashion where as for me I’m solely into just Lolita but still admire the doll core aesthetic as well.
Imagine a lolita secret society tho xD
I adore your videos, please don't stop the reaction videos they are so entertaining to watch.
Really appreciate how respectful you are. :)
Yup to the handling of 'bro-lita'. When not just plain othering, it can also misgender a person. :(
Ok Lor I ADORE your hair and makeup today♡♡♡ you're always cute but today I was especially like "gurl you look so cute"!
I used to be (sorta) part of one of the comms in Australia (I won’t say which city.) It was honestly both one of the best and worst times of my life. It was so stereotypically bitchy and horrible. But I did meet some cool people lmao. I learnt a lot during that time.
Im semi part of my local comm (fellow Aussie) and they seem like lovely people! They are just two hours away from me and I have yet to go to their events!
I love you and Holly Lor Tekko announced your return and I'm so freaking excited I missed out last year i hope i can catch you when your not overwhelmed and can say hi and group hug you both. You are sweet and i watched your video being Tyler recently and was cracking up. All three of you are amazing ladies. I don't wear lolita but highly appreciate the styles and your informative views ive learned a lot since i started watching your videos
@18:20 it has ewer views compared to some other lolita documentaries as this is actually a re-post of the original video - many Australian lolitas were calling them out in the youtube comments so they removed the video and later re-posted it under the different name.
Can also confirmed many lolitas at the high tea were interviewed, myself included, trying to get us to talk about negative experiences but lost interest and moved on quickly when we spoke about enjoying the fashion to feel pretty and have fun with friends
I remember someone saying that the initial number of people interviewed for this was over 40, mostly at the tea party event. That blows my mind, considering they used almost none of it.
Wow... That’s honestly so horrible...
Thanks for doing a reaction video shining more light on the Aussie community! I've only recently become part of a few comms in Australia (so missed the booming years around 2015) but I'd say most people are chill. If you ever wanted to visit our country, let me know! Would be keen on showing you around and organising an event to meet comms. I'm currently living in Oslo, Norway though so it'll have to wait until after I'm back home (and after the covid-19 situation).
I feel incredibly lucky that my SO thinks lolita is an amazing fashion. He likes to dress in Victorian goth attire, so when we meet up, we dress up together and look all snazzy 😁
Hey lor! In australia and Nz lolita is nowhere near as widely accepted or publicly okay as the US and canada! As a kiwi whose been in the USA a few months, I can confirm that thouhh perhaps a little over emphasized, people WILL be rude to you on the street far more than polite/complimentary (thats not to say we dont still get compliments and smiles, and our xenophobic cultures become more open and accepting every day♡ )
I've had more good than bad experiences in Sydney, but never in the US did I get anything as abusive as here, either. Everything from Two Dollar Whore to Plastic Barbie Bitch.
I remember seeing this doc when I was in highschool and wanting to do lolita... Also I live in basically a retirement town and old people compliment me all the time. Only teenagers in highschool make fun of me and not to my face and I don't care, it makes me laugh.
That's a good attitude to have
i just want to say that i am SOOOOOOOO in love with your coord and your hair omf
Your coordinate looks lovely! It's always very interesting to hear your opinion on other videos!
Yay! I was so eagerly waiting for this! I'm glad you didn't completely hate it :)
I love this series. I really hope you keep doing it!
Lovely Lor: this drink clashes with my outfit, poors it in a pink teacup
Agreed, positive comments far outweigh the negatives, no matter where you go, even in a conservative town in Texas 😊
Hiya! My comm (Adelaide) was featured in this video, I was interviewed but it got cut. Honestly I found the producers to be really quite nice and genuinely interested in what I had to say, there were no leading questions and it was mostly talking about how my daily life contrasted with the lolita aesthetic. I was really surprised when the segment aired (it was shown on national television as part of a youth current affairs show) and it'd been edited to skew towards the whole living doll stereotype, because I didn't get the impression that that was the point they were trying to make, so it was a little disappointing.
I can say though that we do feel quite defensive, because we do experience more than our fair of heckling/weird stares/photos taken without our consent both as a group at meetups and individually. I don't know if maybe theres a larger proportion of dickheads here or if people are just more vocal about it.
P.S. as a moderator of the adl comm, we'd love to have you, but we can't guarantee an audience of more than 20 people lol.
I would think the term "Lolito" would be preferable over "Brolita"
i live in australia and i only ever seen lolitas at cons like Supanova in the major cities.
Dani Carroll I've been to a few local meets, but yeah 2015 definitely saw a lolita boom
There’s always a whole bunch at the Melbourne Japanese Summer Festival at fed square
im a Tasmanian Lolita and we have a con locally here called AICON, and MAICON one day i want to go to Supanova and PAX too
Wow how nostalgic, I kinda remember when this was being made!
It made me laugh honestly when the doc was trying to make lolita seem like some secret illuminati-esque club. Like, most comms I know of on the average end have 100+ members or even more. That's not all that super secret.
I get why they would focus some on the negative aspects of it like what lolitas may struggle with because those are clearly true and valid, but as I tend to hear from many others as well as my own experience, the positives definitely outweigh the negative. I have yet to get any weird sexual comments (thankfully) while in lolita (probably because my hubby scares creepers off) but I have gotten plenty of dirty looks and mocking whispers and gestures. Yet I've also had so many compliments from people primarily older ladies and kids and it always makes me feel happy and forget the negative stuff.
Great commentary as always!
I think I used to actually follow the sister with the blue beret. She was one of the "plus size" lolitas that inspired me to get into the fashion.
Lolita is beautiful I like the style and the many unique substyles of it
I remember seeing this years ago and finding the knees very disquieting. Why knees?
I also hate that the documentary makers did the community a disservice because I remember hearing about a horrible tragedy related to it where someone was murdered and that’s just WILD to me.
Wait... MURDERED?! :o
@@WhimsicalNessa Sadly, there was a young girl who was also a lolita who was murdered in 2015 but it was a random attack and unrelated to her being a lolita (I don't think she was in it at the time) and this documentary but it was tragic nonetheless
Brooklyn That really is tragic... :(
Lolita is very much alive and well in Australia! We mostly look with envy at Europe, Asia & the Americas with their big brand tea parties and events lol. It’s just too hard and expensive to have the same opportunities as bigger countries. We would love to have you visit us one day!
Men in Australia feel very confident catcalling you, especially if you're presenting as feminine or innocent. I don't think they're exaggerating at all tbh, but its not a lolita specific experience
honestly i don't understand why people have things against lolita? like??
it's just a fashion style, can they all calm tf down lol it's the weirdest thing ever
btw this is coming from someone who doesn't wear lolita or planning on doing so but i just really like your videos
Omg my cat loves playing with those streamers haha, we got some for my sister's birthday party years ago and they've just been hanging on the wall since
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From what I know, there's a more masculine version of lolita called ouji, and it comes in all the same variants as lolita. I don't know as much about ouji, so there may be more differences or they may just be the same thing, but I think they're both really cool fashions.
Edit: this comment kinda came off as if men can't wear lolita and women can't wear ouji, so I'd just like to clarify that's not what I meant. From the information I have, I see lolita as a more feminine fashion and ouji as a more masculine fashion, but that doesn't mean it's not for anyone of any gender. I hope that helped get what I was trying to say across properly.
SBS are to Australia what Channel 4 is to the UK I believe.
I love this series ❤️
YO WHERE DID THEY GET THE PARASOLS IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR ONES LIKE THOSE FOR F O R E V E R
God I remember the first time I saw this doc... UGh
Yes Pittsburgh! I've had some nice interactions out too
I got an ad right as lor started yelling
Your so beautiful, kind,funny and smart. Love your channel💗💗💗
lol that account deleted a lot of comments on their video, thats why you only see about 10 comments there :((((
I commented on that video when it came out explaining that it's no weird big secret and it's just a fashion and they deleted my comment!
They deleted a lot of comments.
@@kateruggeri7974 Yeah what's up with that? They left some comments that criticize the living doll aspect but deleted others, which were helpful to people wanting to learn about the subject.
@@kittycat7471 I really have no idea. The Facebook comments when they posted the link on their page were a bit of a shitstorm, so maybe they just wiped everything and only a few things survived? I'm about 90% sure I commented on this video when it first came out.
All the "waitwaitwaitwait"s sounds like a guinea pig 🥺❤️
As someone that doesn't wear lolita but is in a community that's also seen as odd sometimes (AKA cosplayers). I have to agree. the amount of times that people have just been over all curious and asked questions. or just gave my group some wonderful compliments. WAY out weighs the amount of times I've had bad experience. Thats coming from someone who use to run around the mall in full cosplay in the early 2000's. ^^ love your content btw lor
LOR WHERE DID U GET UR POMPOMPURIN CASE OMFG
Cher I have the same one from aliexpress it was super cheap
When are people going to understand that you will not sound informed to anyone who is actually educated about a type of fashion if you use terminology for it that's incorrect, not just lolita fashion but *all* fashion and you will be spreading misinformation. (Speaking to the people who make docs, interviews and articles like these- not Lor)
I feel like I saw this documentary a long, long time ago because I totally remember the cute sisters
Your coord is so cute and looks so cute with your black hair and in that hairstyle!
I love this coord! 😍
LOOOOOL the poppy edit x'D
Hi! Im currently studying the semiotics and the origins of lolita, and have read a few essays saying that it originated from working class who felt pressure from adult life and social/ economic changes and wanting to find comfort in lost childhood freedom. Is this still something you agree with, and is it somethig lolitas still resonate with or does it have a new meaning?
Hey, I have a question. I'm a trans guy and really like lolita but I'm not comfortable wearing skirts, so I was wondering if there's an option for doing something similar but with pants? I really love the cute aesthetic but I'd like to give it a "masculine" spin, is it possible? I don't care about fitting into a gender stereotype, I just want to find clothes that I like, and I love lolita.
Love your videos btw!
I'm not Lor, but...Ouji! Ouji is lolita's trouser counterpart, so to speak. All the frills and lace with none of the skirts, and heels are even more optional! I've been looking into ouji myself, since I love lace and pretty stuff but hate wearing poofy skirts (and lolita skirts are the definition of poofy, as I'm sure you've seen, good sir). I haven't figured out where to find patterns yet, but ouji is definitely a thing. The channel Attitude Lolita has a basic overview on ouji and another "masc" lolita counterpart style called kodona.
@@BraveEmpress Tanks a lot! From what I see by just looking at a beginners guide, it seems Ouji is just what I was looking for, a perfect match! So happy to have found this.
Thanks again, and have a nice day!
@@anonimosdfsdf1592 You're welcome! Glad to be of service, and I hope your day is lovely too
I wish pittsburgh people were nice to me when I wore lolita WHEEZE i live here and i legit saw a girl go make a stank face and go "this is why I dont go outside" as I walked past her. Im not saying everyone in pittsburgh is small minded b-but
When you speed up your voice to this high pitched state, could you maybe add subtitles there ?
Because I've never been able to understand what you're saying and it's not easy on my ears to process.
Thanks you for being considerate :)
My english is really bad. But I must say that you are really cute. I have to smile when you smile. And I love how you say how cute the people in the video look in their clothes.
I am an Australian lolita, I will let you know when our next big event is, however our international borders look like they will be closed for a while lmao
as an australian the feed is kinda gross :)
To be honest, as an Australian who isn't lolita but has an alternative style I can totally see Aussies being "rude" about it. My style isn't' as "out there" but is alternative and people are rude about it all the time. In Aus most people judge you if you don't wear a tank top, shorts and some thongs (the shoes)
Just about 3 minutes in the documentary and I agree that secrective thing is cringe worthy and plus, if it's a secret they have to hide from their family are they sure their family will never find this documentary??
also I'm so in awe with your coord today Lor, just perfect with all the red and white details. And pink maybe? Not sure if their is pink as well. But I like the play of colours so much! Like even your nails and that beautiful necklace and aww
I just got an ad on this vid!! Muting it and will let it run through :3 I thought you couldn't get ads on the react stuff, so I' happy if that has changed!
I remember you said you went to film school and studied documentaries so given the fact that you have the know how and are in the fashion and community why don’t you make a documentary in a way that you think and feel would accurately describe the fashion without misconceptions and over use of clickbait..... I’m sorry if this came off passive aggressive or if it seems like I’m trying to pressure you I just think you could do a really good job
Lovely Lor has been involved in the making of a documentary about Lolita's and I've seen it but I can't remember , but I'm sure others will see your message and link the video.
Lor was in 2 documentaries I believe? Weird threads, and a longer documentary interviewer her and 3 other lolitas, which is a couple years older. Don't remember it's name though unfortunately 😅
@@madeleinefitz1508 the other documentary was ten minutes long, it interviewed 4 Lolitas, including Lor, and its called sugar coated. So ya
@@Lytah84 I think they were trying to say Lor should actually MAKE one, not just be in it. Plus, the other documentaries are several years old, so it would be cool to see a more recent documentary but its up to her
If Australia had a convention or to the scale of when Rin Rin visited, I'd happliy fly from NZ again. Aus is NZ frilly big sister
Lor, where I live in Australia people say sexual remarks in any regard anyway very often. When you wear lolita, or anything else out of the ordinary, you WILL get sexual comments :(
I changed in a public bathroom in the station in Japan. I didn't think the stall would be so small. 😂 I regret trying to change out of a petticoat in a small bathroom stall. Also! I've only work Lolita out once, and I got so many compliments. No one said anything bad 😂
When I first read the title I really did think you were going to react to Deerstalkers.
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Omg what is that dress they're wearing called 😭 I've been looking for it for forever
Lolita documentaries tend to be... Interesting.
I whould love to see you in Australia
This documentary can get in the bin …
Thank you for pointing out the "brolita" thing. There are so many trans women in lolita fashion who get misgendered because of the popularity of this term, even though it's a fashion used very often so that trans women can finally express their femininity. Plus even if someone is a man (a cis man or a trans man) they're just a lolita, just like everyone else.
i agree but i call myself brolita and im trans man i like that. everybody is diffrent.
Am I the only one who fan girls a little when lor post a video
your makeup is so cute here. 😍
literally no one:
the documentary: in the daytime I'm just a normal person with a normal life but at night we get into our fluffy pink dresses and kidnap and sacrifice children to the god we call "Osoroshii Kirameki"
I think their reason of the changing in toilets is really not to make it a secret society, but rather to make it some perverse fetish thingy that we have to skulk around and change in public toilet.. It is the vibe I am getting.. the shock value
I really with they paid tribute to the traditional owners of the land they are on
people were NICE in PITTSBURGH???
Why don't u just leave them up?
I mean it is called the SECRET life 😅
Them: lolita is like a secret society
Me (a non lolita): 😏
I would wear it but it’s too expensive but I have a bodyline dress my parents said they liked but really only my mom saw it and I never wore it in public or outside my room 😂 when I’m old enough to get a job I plan on buying more lolita pieces
Whle I watched this, I got an add for throat pain xD
hoshimono I got an ad for fried chicken which made me think of the time Chick Filet tried to recruit Lor for promotional material
Rebel Sheep Oh, my god. Is there a video on that? 😂
That leg shot in the title card makes it seem like the fashion is sexual and that. So weird.
As a man, I find it easier to call my fashion by its subset name, aristocrat goth, than lolita. I wear male gendered clothing (think vampire prince) and I think if I call myself Lolita, people would assume I dress in a female way in dresses and skirts.
the leg shot is cuss her petticoat is full of secrets. :P nah its a bad shot