I’ve trained at both styles of gyms. The no warm up at all and straight into technique and the 1/3 of the class is shrimps and break falls. And I can say without a shadow of a doubt I’ve learned more in the 8 weeks I’ve trained at the no warm up gym than the 8 months at the shrimping gym
Great pod, I learned this the hard way. Last year I had so many injuries and I had to look at what I was doing wrong at the end I came to the sleep deprivation = probability of injury goes up. Now I don't go to class if I had less than X hours of sleep and it's helped tremendously.
This is so real. Once I reach a certain level of tired I can tell that I'm just not really using my brain anymore. That can be fun if I'm playing video games or something, but I don't want to play a game with stakes if I don't have a full deck of cards.
51 grizzled seasoned grappler here. I've been in grappling for at least a decade. I want to nuance you guys words a bit, cause I don't think what you said applies to all grappling students. Most students with whom I roll, from white to brown, gaz out with me. If I'm in shape at the very beginning of a class, their exhaustion is worst. So I usually have to tire myself for the first rounds of rolling, to feel a bit fatigued. And guess what ? Even under fatigues, many of em roll with me and desperately need an entire round of full rest, while I keep rolling. Another aspect not mentioned in the podcast, is : there are techniques and moves that are suited for fatigue or better applicable when exhausted. For example: when I'm really tire, I can still do torreando guard passing like a brand new athlete. A couple of moves are possible even under intense fatigue, keep in mind, the brain, the mind that has been drilled to perform under fatigue will go on autopilot and do what it was trained to do often. For instance, I must have drilled the top mount defense hip bump escape and sweep hundred of times, so that, even exhausted, my brain switches to autopilot and I allow him to top mount me, then flip him down, not sweat. Definitly enjoy your podcast.
Ok but you’re a high level of experience guy, so this doesn’t apply to you at all. The discussion is about people learning a new skill and as a beginner I agree that I am often too exhausted after the warmup to properly apply the techniques.
New white belt only few months in . The school am in has been really supportive. And encouraging. Have seen both sides of this. One Coach does an old school warm up of running many laps , push ups , sit ups, shrimping, sprawls,jumping jacks then more running for 15-25 min. An had other class where people warm up on there own and Coach goes straight into drills. Guessing it should be somewhere in middle . 10-15 min warm up starting with running.. And great podcast.thanks
I think of this mind set for BJJ has like when body builders get a new PR with weights. No body builder tries to get a new PR every day. But once a week or month or whatever you try to push yourself get that new PR or in BJJ you last longer do a 10 minute round or whatever. If you go to BJJ every for 1 hour then maybe once a week go twice a day, 2 classes or go to open mat on the weekends when you normally do nothing. You need to listen to your body there is a difference between pushing yourself and, getting better and killing yourself (with injuries). knowing the difference of when to push your muscles to the max to get that escape or go with the flow and use technique.
We always did conditioning after the training so your tired now you have to dig deep to keep going. We did do a 20 min jog and stretching then wrestle then 30 minutes of doing lifts that transle to a move or sometime of hard conditioning
Oh man... One of the times that i quit jiujitsu was because of how our club did warmups. We would get flogged during warmups to the point that i could barely understand technique being demonstrated, let alone be able to actually keep track of the body movements that i need to actually execute them. It would ruin my ability to peocess what i was seeing.
How do you manage your when you are a coach teaching 4 classes 5 days a week, when AND how much fitness training would be good to add mucle mass AND get strong and avoid injuries ?, also how do you manage to increase your knowledge AND skill?
It is in the rules theres a mandatory minimum rest period between matches Guys going hard in the gym with just 1 minute in betwee to get their lips went and find a new partner are pushing cardio in a way that will never ever ever ever come up in this sport If youre training tournemnt rounds its 1 round on 1 round off Use that off round to learn recovery techniques
Exaclty. In a comp, the gas tank can be blown to the max in 1 match! 5-10 mins. Intense. That’s says it all. No need for these long drawn out bullshit exercise and warm ups, that detract from technical ability. Also, 1 min rest rounds are bullshit for rounds varying from 5-10 mins when in a comp you get at least an equal time to recover. 2-3 mins at least. At least
I have issues training fatigued because it's hard to find someone every time at my home gym. I wish we set a 6 min time and then switch every time but we don't do that at my home gym.
@@Jdac333 well I think every class should set a timer and make people switch. When you don't do that you get the same people sparring with the same people every time and keep them from learning.
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Fatigue is a disaster. When you know what to do but haven’t the energy to do it, and when you lose to someone based off gas tank it’s heartbreaking
Best podcast for grapplers
100%
I like my new coach. He says before class "warm yourselves up"
I’ve trained at both styles of gyms. The no warm up at all and straight into technique and the 1/3 of the class is shrimps and break falls. And I can say without a shadow of a doubt I’ve learned more in the 8 weeks I’ve trained at the no warm up gym than the 8 months at the shrimping gym
Great pod, I learned this the hard way. Last year I had so many injuries and I had to look at what I was doing wrong at the end I came to the sleep deprivation = probability of injury goes up. Now I don't go to class if I had less than X hours of sleep and it's helped tremendously.
This is so real. Once I reach a certain level of tired I can tell that I'm just not really using my brain anymore. That can be fun if I'm playing video games or something, but I don't want to play a game with stakes if I don't have a full deck of cards.
51 grizzled seasoned grappler here.
I've been in grappling for at least a decade. I want to nuance you guys words a bit, cause I don't think what you said applies to all grappling students. Most students with whom I roll, from white to brown, gaz out with me.
If I'm in shape at the very beginning of a class, their exhaustion is worst. So I usually have to tire myself for the first rounds of rolling, to feel a bit fatigued. And guess what ? Even under fatigues, many of em roll with me and desperately need an entire round of full rest, while I keep rolling.
Another aspect not mentioned in the podcast, is : there are techniques and moves that are suited for fatigue or better applicable when exhausted. For example: when I'm really tire, I can still do torreando guard passing like a brand new athlete. A couple of moves are possible even under intense fatigue, keep in mind, the brain, the mind that has been drilled to perform under fatigue will go on autopilot and do what it was trained to do often.
For instance, I must have drilled the top mount defense hip bump escape and sweep hundred of times, so that, even exhausted, my brain switches to autopilot and I allow him to top mount me, then flip him down, not sweat.
Definitly enjoy your podcast.
Ok but you’re a high level of experience guy, so this doesn’t apply to you at all. The discussion is about people learning a new skill and as a beginner I agree that I am often too exhausted after the warmup to properly apply the techniques.
New white belt only few months in . The school am in has been really supportive. And encouraging. Have seen both sides of this. One Coach does an old school warm up of running many laps , push ups , sit ups, shrimping, sprawls,jumping jacks then more running for 15-25 min. An had other class where people warm up on there own and Coach goes straight into drills. Guessing it should be somewhere in middle . 10-15 min warm up starting with running.. And great podcast.thanks
All that stuff is a waste of time
Running round the gym, star jumps, shrimps suck.
Do your own conditioning off the mats.
Build your gas tank in rolls.
I think of this mind set for BJJ has like when body builders get a new PR with weights. No body builder tries to get a new PR every day. But once a week or month or whatever you try to push yourself get that new PR or in BJJ you last longer do a 10 minute round or whatever. If you go to BJJ every for 1 hour then maybe once a week go twice a day, 2 classes or go to open mat on the weekends when you normally do nothing. You need to listen to your body there is a difference between pushing yourself and, getting better and killing yourself (with injuries). knowing the difference of when to push your muscles to the max to get that escape or go with the flow and use technique.
We always did conditioning after the training so your tired now you have to dig deep to keep going. We did do a 20 min jog and stretching then wrestle then 30 minutes of doing lifts that transle to a move or sometime of hard conditioning
going to hit that meat pies and Doritos combo, stat! 😅
Oh man... One of the times that i quit jiujitsu was because of how our club did warmups.
We would get flogged during warmups to the point that i could barely understand technique being demonstrated, let alone be able to actually keep track of the body movements that i need to actually execute them.
It would ruin my ability to peocess what i was seeing.
Ahhh the old throw a bunch of eggs at the wall till you find the one that doesn’t break conditioning style approach to sports 😂
How do you manage your when you are a coach teaching 4 classes 5 days a week, when AND how much fitness training would be good to add mucle mass AND get strong and avoid injuries ?, also how do you manage to increase your knowledge AND skill?
What about drilling fresh and saving fatigue for sparring occasionally
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Jenna who? 😏
It is in the rules theres a mandatory minimum rest period between matches
Guys going hard in the gym with just 1 minute in betwee to get their lips went and find a new partner are pushing cardio in a way that will never ever ever ever come up in this sport
If youre training tournemnt rounds its 1 round on 1 round off
Use that off round to learn recovery techniques
DID THIS MF GIVE HIMSELF FROSTED TIPS!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
Exaclty. In a comp, the gas tank can be blown to the max in 1 match! 5-10 mins. Intense. That’s says it all. No need for these long drawn out bullshit exercise and warm ups, that detract from technical ability.
Also, 1 min rest rounds are bullshit for rounds varying from 5-10 mins when in a comp you get at least an equal time to recover. 2-3 mins at least. At least
I have issues training fatigued because it's hard to find someone every time at my home gym. I wish we set a 6 min time and then switch every time but we don't do that at my home gym.
@@rickywoods3101why not? Does everyone just spar when they
Feel like it, for however long they like?(I’ve seen this before)
@@Jdac333 well I think every class should set a timer and make people switch. When you don't do that you get the same people sparring with the same people every time and keep them from learning.