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Let's be real too Ducati actively steals the innovations of Kawasaki,Honda, Yamaha,Suzuki Compare the first naked Z1000 since 2012 to the Ducati V4 street fighter
I think that everytime you speak about naked bikes...you never speak about wind protection..I ride a K1300S...and rode many naked bikes before...I now prefer wind protection however i can get it...I would definitely not enjoy a naked bike anymore..as I have tried several recently for more than 4000km and its just...i even have to keep my knees and legs activated all the time not to get blown off...Thanks, but not thanks... 1.87 M height if its of wonder..
Well, I have a Thruxton RS, so I am biased of course. I didn't start riding until I was about 40, and while I appreciate what sport bikes can do, I have no interest in them. The Thruxton has soul, and it reminds me of a 70's muscle car... the torque, the sound, the lack of plastic everywhere. I love it.
Question for you. I don’t have a thruxton, just a regular bonneville. I ride other bikes and know that mine isn’t as objectively good. Weight, speed, tipping, torque, etc. however, I’m always happy to ride it and the thought of “it’s a bonneville man!” And that overshadows all of the shortcomings. Does the thruxton do the same to you? Ie the joy of what it is overshadows the shortcomings of other bikes enough to not care.
I also started riding in my 40s and I really wanted a thruxton but got the street cup instead and I totally feel where you’re coming from. No desire in sport bikes! And yes! Just like a muscle car🤌🏼
i have a thruxton rs and in my opinion it sits in the middle of a sports bike and a standard bike. I've been riding for over 15 years and I love the thruxton when i need the power it's there. I dont need to rev to the top to get the power and speed. it's just enough for me as a daily then again i'm in my 30's. so going fast doesn't inspire me any longer what gives me smiles is how well i can be a technical rider and being safe on the road.
I have a Thruxton TFC which is just a touch more HP than the RS, but it's otherwise identical in feel. I've noticed that most of the positive reviews here are also grey like me. The Thruxton is about the subtle appreciation for the feel and mechanics which translates into a soulful experience rather than just technicals on a track. Oh, and my thruxton turns heads everywhere in ways that would make even the supersports blush.
Josh did a killer job explaining the differences between how he felt clearly and effectively on the zx6 vs the thruxton. Get him doing more bike comparisons for sure.🔥 lol
When i was young my thinking was like Josh. Now with over 30 years of riding experience, hundred of track days....... i would take the triumph every time for street riding of all sorts....from riding to the store to riding the twisty back roads!!! One day Josh will understand!
Well, I don’t personally know a single person who rides that “needs” a bike to even start with. In my travels everyone who rides does it for the fun/enjoyment factor. This essentially eliminates any criteria for bikes beyond “do you like it”. If you enjoy the bike, bingo, it’s a good bike for you.
In the big cities that allow lane splitting like LA or San Fran it can become a need pretty quick for commuying to work, etc. even if somebody doesnt realize they need one ;)
As a Thruxton RS owner, it is a bike that can be used ALL THE TIME, I mean from the twisty to commute, from going to another city to going to the coffee shop, it just works and looks good doing it. That's why I love it, I had a Ducati 959 it was very exciting and I loved it but I ride more on the Thruxton in 6 months than the 959 in almost 2 years, you get the picture. I don't think it is a fair comparison, Thruxton is not a sport bike, it is a sporty retro bike, it is highly unlikely that a person would be torn apart deciding to choose Thruxton or a proper sport bike.
I’m debating between a thruxton r, scrambler xe and a s1000rr at the moment lol. Insurance is an under discussed point. Me being 22 yo will pay $1000+ a year for the s1000rr vs a few hundred for either of the triumphs . Already have a daytona 675 and 82 Honda magna so I don’t need anything super sporty. So… Planning on going to grab myself a thruxton this weekend if everything goes to plan.
@@SomeBody-pb7ht Thruxton is not a sportbike, it will never give you the agility, the planted feeling and the overall confident in twisties whe it compares to modern sportbike. So if you like going fast in twisties I would go for the r7, thruxton is a good bike for general use, and I really like the look, so that's my two cents.
I feel like a better comparisons for the ZX6 would be the Z900. Similar horsepower. But the Z900 has way more lax ergos and is a lot more torquey from being a longer stroke I4. You also still get that beautiful I4 sound
@@naturalforlife6741 I say z900 because of the similarities. It’s same brand, still an I4, still has sporty riding in mind. But also more comfortable, more usable torque, and actually cheaper. All the improvements with Minimal compromise In the same sense that a better sporty comparison to the street triple would be a Daytona
@@teej1987not really. I mean maybe kinda, but still the ZX is just another supersport. They’re all basically the same. Paint them all same color and remove all badging and most people will be hard pressed to distinguish between them. Timeless classics will always stand out.
For my fellow dirt bois, what is interesting is the same argument can be made about off-road focused bikes. I got a drz400s and all it wants to do with is ride technical stuff, so I was frustrated when all I could find locally is easy gravel forest service roads. Then I got a vstrom and found it much more suited to what was around. Its almost like using the right motorcycle for its intended application is the most satisfying and rewarding long term experience. Who would have thought?
Absolutely. Love me a midsized adv bike when you're just doing pavement or reasonably nice dirt/gravel roads. You get the creature comforts and a great feel doing those roads at high speed. It's why the single most important part of bike shopping is deciding exactly what riding you're actually going to spend the most of their time doing. Being honest with yourself, too.
If people want a sport bike, people want a sport bike. I like being hunched over rather than straight up. Plus pegs are higher. That’s why they make different bikes. Everybody has different tastes. Stop trying to convince people to buy something that “makes sense” when purchasing a bike is an emotional investment
so many people though regret buying sport bikes I feel more then any other bike and other motorcycles can be much more practical especially when it comes to 600's and i think the secret is meeting in the middle of something that works for what you need it for vs what you want cause you might want an R6 but you live in a city so you get an MT 07/R7
@@gavin3810 well City riding is different. There are different areas to ride and different reasons. I live in rural America with many “mini tails of the dragon” roads. Some people like torque to come out of them but I don’t like buzzing p twins up top. I’d rather have a smooth inline or something in between like a v4. If I were to get a naked it be something like a tuono because it still has a low reach
@@gavin3810 no bar reach. I feel more comfortable both literally and mentally the more My body is leaning forward. Obviously there is too far and ride length plays a factor. I had 14 gsxr600 but looking to get either Street triple rs, r1, rsv4/tuono, or r9 if they come out with it by the time I “pull the trigger”
I have a Thruxton TFC (which is lighter, has ohlins front and back, more power and the clipons are lower). To me it’s the perfect street bike. Handles great and can also handle the potholes. Been riding since mid 90s and have owned everything from a 200cc Suzuki to a 200hp Panigale. Most current sport bikes are way too much for the street unless you live where there is zero traffic which would have to be some other planet.
My first bikes were a CBR-600F and then a Yamaha R6, in that order. My new ride, after a multi-year hiatus, is a Thruxton R. I love the torquey grunt, down low and 0-60 in 3.1 is nothing to sneeze at. Its multipurpose. You can commute on it, you can joyride on it.. If I had wanted another 14,000 rpm wind-it-out monster, Id have bought one. But I got this. Its as much fun to look at as it is to ride. Im happy. Different strokes for different folks.
I take my Thruxton RS over any Screamer any day of the week. I can actually have fun and accelerate confidently and shift a couple of times while doing so without having to fear ending up in jail. Supersports are great for the track but don't give any pleasure while rinding "kinda" legally.
@@R1___ That would be a perfect 3 cylinder bike for the backroad. A great 2 cylinder bike would be a KTM Duke 890R. The only 4 cylinder that comes to mind is the Z900.
@@R1___ I think the current MT09 fits nicely between these two and would be a great option. It has good torque and is enjoyable even at slower speeds but can also go fast. (Disclaimer: I own a 2021 MTO9).
I gotta say, the best modification you could possibly make on a 600 for riding on the street is shortening up the gearing with some aftermarket sprockets. I did a -1/+2 set up on my bike and it livens it up so much, and yeah you drop your top speed by 10% but the benefit of having shorter gears that you can rev out and not yeet into the sun and perking up the low end is so worth it.
I personally like the low end torque. I compared a 900cc Yamaha with a Speed Twin and went for the Speed Twin. Even though the Yamaha is faster it just felt slow to me (bad combo if you don't want to lose your license or get frustrated in traffic). Having to downshift and rev up to get that power is just not for me. With that Speed Twin I can quickly and easily slip into gaps in traffic with no hassle and without having to rev at stupid high RPMs. To be fair however I picked the bike to make my commute more interesting, not for the track or carving up twisties over the weekend.
I have a speed twin too and this is exactly what I think they missed - top end speed vs acceleration; track day vs traffic. An engine with low end torque that blasts up to full speed in an instant (no time wasted down shifting and just faster acceleration) is perfect for some situations like jumping between cars and top end speed is great for others like the racetrack! (iron) horses for courses!
TQ over HP For me. I am a standard rider, grew up on dirt bikes. Z900 looks good IMO, but I like Old/Retro analog gauged Bikes anyway. It might be because Im old, and Appreciate anything with Tits or Wheels.
The most ironic thing about the cafe racer revival is that if the Cafe racers of the 1960's had access to modern 600cc bikes they would not be riding brittish twins.
That's just factually false. CAFEs are liked because of the classic look of the bike not because of speed. Modern Japanese bikes are plastic in nature.
Honda CB750 ring a 🛎? Compare it with the Thruxton. A I4 vs Ptwin cafe bike. And maybe someone who’s born before the 1990s give a comparison. He did decent on the comparisons. A GSXR750 vs This Thruxton RS would be a better comparison. I’ve had both. Both offer great feels for daily / spirited riding.
@@vegasmike That's the point. All they had were cruisers so to get sporty they put clip-ons and rearsets for posture, alloy rims, twin,4 or even 8 leading shoe front brakes, hot cams maybe a couple extra (for acceleration) or fewer (for speed) toothed rear sprockets, single seat to save weight, maybe bigger carbs, high comp pistons - there was no off-the-shelf alternative (maybe an AJS 7R but they were expensive, rare and a 500 single, as was the Velocette Venom and BSA Gold Star). Triumph have done all that for us with this Thruxton over the standard Bonnie. More power, more torque, more lean, less wheelbase, better suspension and handling. If they'd had 4 cylinder sportsbikes back in the sixties no-one would've bothered. And lo, up step Honda, Yamaha, Kwaka and out go Brit bikes, just like that. All over bar the nostalgia till Bloor gets their act together with the triples. But big twins will always have a niche torque/sound/feel experience that will appeal to certain riders, as evinced here.
Great comparison and video. I have a ZZR600 and a Thruxton R. I have never ridden the Kawasaki since buying the Triumph, but I am old and decrepit now. I'm not at all sure why someone prefers to scream an engine at crazy rpms, crashing through gears to achieve the acceleration and speeds that the Thruxton supplies so effortlessly with little effort. I think the Thruxton is the lazy mans bike.
Wow. The fact that even though his opinion differed, I am so glad that Josh's opinion was left untouched, and unedited. Even though you had a slight bias towards the Thruxton, its honesty like this that makes this channel amazing. Thanks for being awesome!
I honestly couldn't agree more. I bought a 2015 Daytona 675 about a year ago with the intention of having it as a road and track bike. It took me about 1,000km of road riding and 8 track days for me to come to the exact same conclusion as Josh. The Daytona is now a dedicated track bike and I've kept my trusty little CBR500r (first bike) for road riding and commuting.
I definitely know where Josh is coming from. Having rode a GSX-R750 LTD back in 1986 to current day with a Thruxton RS Ton Up and a Speed Triple 1200RR. But I also have a Daytona 765 Moto2 and and a the Tiger 1200 Explorer. So being an "older guy" riding 4 different bikes, I love them all. Which one I ride more these days is the Thruxton. I don't care if my hair or lack there of is on fire. I did that long before Josh was born😄 He thinks like a young guy would. I think like an older guy does. I kept saying during the video, "wait till you're older" 😄 Great video and I'm glad you got Josh on. He's a good kid.
perfect comparisons, that really point out the difference between the 2 cyl vs 4 cyl. Maybe comparing this green thing with the Z900Rs (also retro, all rounder) would be more even, as it also has it's available power up on the rev range. Overall great comparison. Note: If you have kids... you already have your hair on fire. You don't want to risk the rest of the body. This is like a hooligan vs. gentleman comparison. LOVED iT!
Agreed I just got into the non Cafe Zr900 it's everything my old ZZr600 can do and more I nearly get 400miles on a full tank tons of torque never disappoints
Yes. My first thoughts on watching this review were the variables between a 4-cylinder vs a twin. Two ..very different motors in how they deliver. I've ridden all my life & now with a grey patina, well, the story goes, I test-rode a Suzuki GSX S1000, great power delivery, was smooth well balanced, handled braked well & then, ....I jumped on the Thruxton. Instantly fell in love with her. Did everything & more than the big banger four just, well, differently. A four, high revving motor requires a different riding style than a rather forgiving big twin. Thruxton's engine braking & arm wrenching torque, when you twist that throttle vs a 160hp free spinning, grab a handful of brakes before a corner inline-four. A de-cat big-bore exhaust system & improved cam & air intake takes the Thruxton to the next level. Loved my big fours when a youngster when speed was everything however, roads are policed more than in my day & the exhilaration of that triumph torque, well, trumps the high revving four any day.
None of my buddies with full on supersport bikes will ride very far from home. Too uncomfortable. The good twistys are at least an hour away, and getting them to go ride them is like pulling teeth. Give me an all day comfortable, torquey bike like the Thruxton any day! The tighter the road, the better for a torque monster of a machine. I did seven hours on my FTR today. Save the supersports for the track.
25 years ago I had a Ninja 600R-about 90 horse power back then. I rode it everywhere for 2 years including several 600 mile 1 day trips. This was in Idaho, Washington, Oregon and California-wide open country. After a few close calls with animals, I found it easier to drive at less than full throttle, a lot less. Now, I love my W800. It’s probably the sweet-spot for sane road riding, price and style. I love it.
I own a Triumph Truxton RS 2021. And it’s my twelveth bike that I owned. I had sport bikes in the past like a Honda CBR 1000R and a Honda RC 51 as well. I loved my sport bikes. So now that I’ve crossed the fifty barrier in age, I enjoy my Thruxton more than any other bikes I owned in my past. It is sporty, plus I like to ride a motorcycle on its torque much more than on its rev. I like the “tractor” effect of my Triumph. After a year; I’ve reached over 11 000 km at the odometer. And more to come…😊
I enjoyed Josh's take on the Turbo 'Busa. It was revelatory and incisive. I would have liked to have gotten Whitney's take on these bikes. She has never been just what I expected. That is refreshing. I also enjoyed Spite's road trip. I'd like to see you guys arrange a rendezvous with Noraly (Itchy Boots) as she enters the U.S. Perhaps this is already in the works? Keep up the distinctive content. I like your new, diverse directions.
Josh makes a good point. Ride a track bike on the track. Ride a road bike on the road. An R6 or a Ninja 600 are track bikes. I had a BMW R1150RS which is like an old guy’s sport bike. I loved it but I wanted to go fast all the time. The power was a rush and that was older tech; not like 95HP is that much anymore. Still felt amazing on the highway on-ramp to me. Nice torque outta that 1150 Boxer twin. Low rev, high torque, high compression, fuel injected engine.
I have both a Bonneville T120 and a Ninja 1000 SX and Josh's comparisons felt accurate to me (despite my not having a true supersport). The Bonneville is a great bike to chill out all day on, but the Ninja is definitely the more agile of the two, both in a straight line and on the side of the tire.
Back in 91, I bought a used 79 Kawasaki KZ 650 D that was a blast. Put 10,000 miles a year on that beast! Tricked it out for touring and rode it up and down the East Coast for two weeks on one of the best vacations of my life.
Great video Josh. It's a strange comparison those two bikes. As someone with an old '88 GSX1100F I think some of those old engines that would be the best of both worlds torque down low and power at the top of the range too make more sense than either of those bikes, .. at least for an old guy like me.
I rode a Kawi ZX-7R for years - loved it for city, short trips and twisties. Took it on a long-ish trip and it was painful. (All may be just me getting old - had the 7R when I was mid 50's, I'll be 60 this summer). I traded the 7R in for a Triumph Speed Triple and the upper body position was far better for day to day. My current bike is a GSX-S750 (moved from 1050 to 750 due to crazy British Columbia, Canada, insurance reasons) - lower body is a more sport position, upper is more comfortable.
Thruxton 1200 R owner here. . One is a plastic fairing covered race bike, the Thruxton is classy and has soul. Do you buy a Thruxton to be the fastest on the road? Nah, you buy one because of the feels!
Looks like a tough road to open up a 600 on. Lots of twists with low visibility, can't even get out of 2nd gear if you are really trying to ride it. The trick with a 600 is to ride it like one. Always stay in the powerband unless you are stuck behind someone or want to just cruise. This means 2nd gear until 70mph minimum, 4th shouldn't even be touched unless you are over 100 (or want to cruise/stuck like I said). That way with a twist of the wrist everything on offer is available.
Great video I am 50 years old and I am going for the Truxton, I had scratch rocket on my younger days but at my age I want the classic look and more comfortable ride
Triumph thruxton for sure , but that's because I've had a supersport , and I agree that you can't fully use them unless on track. Where as the thruxton I feel you can use more for the road and track. But that's just my opinion. Either way I love all bikes!
I would pick the thruxton over any race bike. Why? Because I do not race. If i drive a motorcylce I actually want to enjoy the ride. The Thruxton is a dream of a bike. It has the most beautiful speedometer I ever saw. WHich is kind of important , because that is what u , as a rider see most of the time.
We deal with vintage bikes, like all the way back to 1911 was the earliest I remember, and we race these very vintage bikes, the thing with these bikes and retros is you can be a hell of a lot slower and still have a ton of fun, so if I’m 70ish and having fun and come off, I might be put back together, doing 120ish and coming off, well good luck
My first bike was ‘15 ZX6R my current bike is a ‘19 Speed Twin with thruxton rs suspension swap front and rear. I love both bikes but I think I prefer the triumph. It’s classy you see less of them and can be a proper hooligans bike if you push it.
The funny thing is, it sounds like you both would prefer SV's for street riding and twisties, even though that wasn't part of this test. Have him do a comparison on the ZX6, an SV650, and the Thruxton?
Two very different but respected perspectives of what is wanted out of the experience of riding a motorcycle. Neither are wrong views, and neither of the bikes are wrong choices. It just depends on what the rider is looking for in their choice. What choice would I make? A 2022 ZX6R and I'm 58 years old. But truthful I'm looking at the ZX10R. Maybe a midlife thing, or want to relive my youth one more time before I can't! You are never to old to still have fun if you can get your body to keep up. Lol
Your thoughts on the thruxton at the end are the same reasons a lot of us enjoy Harleys 😉.. lmaoo.. we're all the same with age and time brothers and sisters
I have Streetfighter V4S and Thruxton and on twisty roads the Thruxton gearing is more use-albe (instead of being stuck in 2nd gear all day) and fun. I also found that the Thruxton gears were so similar that you could apply torque pretty much anytime you needed it. No reason to wring it out, just shift and more instant torque. I did feel the torque drop off above 5k and that was irritating me so I got the Arrow straight headers and everything that was holding the bike back came alive. You will see 100 options on how to get the most torque out of different crossover pipes but you DONT NEED the extra torque and opening up the top end is way more beneficial. You might lose a few ft lbs with straight headers, they are still there, just further up the RPM band and you also loose the lurch you were talking about. Much smoother. I bang the rev limiter all the time now. The Thruxton also felt held back on the freeway like it just didnt have anything left but now it feels right. It is still going to max out about 145.... With is why I drive the Streetfighter on the freeway.
You guys are funny: „The Thruxton weighs around 50 pounds more. That‘s probably due to the old style steel frame.“ - Could you do me favor and take a look at that giant engine and the gearbox right behind it that seems to have its own completely separate housing? Great video as always. I had a good laugh 😆
I have owned a R6 and a R1. My current bike is now a Thruxton R. It looks better, it rides better, gives me all the sport bike handling, power, etc that I was getting from my R6 and more gear changes than my R1 so it’s more engaging to ride. Would never go back to the R6/R1 bikes.
I have to agree with Yammie on this one. The Kawasaki is the better bike IF you can find the right road and situation to use its potential. The Truxton RS is more civilized and for older/richer people who want their bike to do a little of everything. Riding that Kawasaki in Austin city traffic is what Josh described as torture. He is right.
I used to ride a R6 and now I ride an Thruxton 900. I am pretty hellbent on getting 1200 now...it's all to do with the vibe (enter the distinguished gentleman), whilst still having some beans to give on the road. Is it just me - I just seriously dislike lime plastic? It might have been cool in the 90s, when we all used to watch Ninja Turtles. Each to their own I guess. I liked watching this review though.
This is perfect. I have an R6 for track duty and a 2022 Thruxton RS for street. The Thruxton far exceeded my expectations, not done with the video but hope josh feels it too! Finished video, josh I gotta disagree with you. My Thruxton is much more exciting on the street than my R6 ever could be. I do agree that the super sport is better for the track, but it’s like comparing hiking boots to yeezys. There’s a time and place for a 600cc, and that’s the track. Otherwise it’s a literal pain in the butt. For reference my R6 is tuned, piped, has woodcraft clipons and rearsets, G2 quick throttle, everything for track duty, yet on the street it is a complete dog compared to the Thruxton. After all of the 600s I’ve owned and the torquey standards, I follow the rule of horsepower on the track and torque on the street. Loved the video and hope your feelings toward the Thruxton grow like mine have :)
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Let's be real too Ducati actively steals the innovations of Kawasaki,Honda, Yamaha,Suzuki
Compare the first naked Z1000 since 2012 to the Ducati V4 street fighter
I think that everytime you speak about naked bikes...you never speak about wind protection..I ride a K1300S...and rode many naked bikes before...I now prefer wind protection however i can get it...I would definitely not enjoy a naked bike anymore..as I have tried several recently for more than 4000km and its just...i even have to keep my knees and legs activated all the time not to get blown off...Thanks, but not thanks... 1.87 M height if its of wonder..
Well, I have a Thruxton RS, so I am biased of course. I didn't start riding until I was about 40, and while I appreciate what sport bikes can do, I have no interest in them. The Thruxton has soul, and it reminds me of a 70's muscle car... the torque, the sound, the lack of plastic everywhere. I love it.
Ah…so this is why I like the Thruxton so much. Just bought a Street Triple, I’m in love with it but a Thruxton is a must for me some day
You have sold me on the Thruxton RS 👍🏻
Question for you. I don’t have a thruxton, just a regular bonneville. I ride other bikes and know that mine isn’t as objectively good. Weight, speed, tipping, torque, etc. however, I’m always happy to ride it and the thought of “it’s a bonneville man!” And that overshadows all of the shortcomings. Does the thruxton do the same to you? Ie the joy of what it is overshadows the shortcomings of other bikes enough to not care.
I would take my Thruxton R over a plastic Japanese bike any day.
I also started riding in my 40s and I really wanted a thruxton but got the street cup instead and I totally feel where you’re coming from. No desire in sport bikes! And yes! Just like a muscle car🤌🏼
i have a thruxton rs and in my opinion it sits in the middle of a sports bike and a standard bike. I've been riding for over 15 years and I love the thruxton when i need the power it's there. I dont need to rev to the top to get the power and speed. it's just enough for me as a daily then again i'm in my 30's. so going fast doesn't inspire me any longer what gives me smiles is how well i can be a technical rider and being safe on the road.
Duke 890r ? Naked bike with track goodies 👍
I have a Thruxton TFC which is just a touch more HP than the RS, but it's otherwise identical in feel. I've noticed that most of the positive reviews here are also grey like me. The Thruxton is about the subtle appreciation for the feel and mechanics which translates into a soulful experience rather than just technicals on a track. Oh, and my thruxton turns heads everywhere in ways that would make even the supersports blush.
Josh did a killer job explaining the differences between how he felt clearly and effectively on the zx6 vs the thruxton. Get him doing more bike comparisons for sure.🔥 lol
Josh did a great job!
100%, he nailed it.
I feel like he needs to give the thuxton another go but ride it lower in the rev range.
@@ridenm7748 take it to the track with the 636. 🔥
When i was young my thinking was like Josh. Now with over 30 years of riding experience, hundred of track days....... i would take the triumph every time for street riding of all sorts....from riding to the store to riding the twisty back roads!!! One day Josh will understand!
Yam cuddling the Thruxton after Josh dismisses it, like he's gonna make it feel better after a rejection. Love it.
Very good example of young rider vs old rider 👌
Yeah, I was thinking I’d love to see Josh do this comparison in 35 years & see how he’d feel.
Well, I don’t personally know a single person who rides that “needs” a bike to even start with. In my travels everyone who rides does it for the fun/enjoyment factor. This essentially eliminates any criteria for bikes beyond “do you like it”. If you enjoy the bike, bingo, it’s a good bike for you.
Well it does make me gain an hour of commuting a day. But it's true that any bike would do the job. Whichever I choose is purely for fun
In the big cities that allow lane splitting like LA or San Fran it can become a need pretty quick for commuying to work, etc. even if somebody doesnt realize they need one ;)
@@slingingslasher3370 or like Paris 😁
either that or you live in india or something, they all own one
It about the ride! Do you need air! To a biker yes 2 wheels , handling and speed.
As a Thruxton RS owner, it is a bike that can be used ALL THE TIME, I mean from the twisty to commute, from going to another city to going to the coffee shop, it just works and looks good doing it. That's why I love it, I had a Ducati 959 it was very exciting and I loved it but I ride more on the Thruxton in 6 months than the 959 in almost 2 years, you get the picture. I don't think it is a fair comparison, Thruxton is not a sport bike, it is a sporty retro bike, it is highly unlikely that a person would be torn apart deciding to choose Thruxton or a proper sport bike.
I’m debating between a thruxton r, scrambler xe and a s1000rr at the moment lol. Insurance is an under discussed point. Me being 22 yo will pay $1000+ a year for the s1000rr vs a few hundred for either of the triumphs . Already have a daytona 675 and 82 Honda magna so I don’t need anything super sporty. So… Planning on going to grab myself a thruxton this weekend if everything goes to plan.
@@SomeBody-pb7ht Thruxton is not a sportbike, it will never give you the agility, the planted feeling and the overall confident in twisties whe it compares to modern sportbike. So if you like going fast in twisties I would go for the r7, thruxton is a good bike for general use, and I really like the look, so that's my two cents.
I feel like a better comparisons for the ZX6 would be the Z900. Similar horsepower. But the Z900 has way more lax ergos and is a lot more torquey from being a longer stroke I4. You also still get that beautiful I4 sound
I second this
Not available at eurocycle tho
The street tripleR would have been a better comparison. Yeah, I'd rather ride my MT07 then the Thruxton.
@@naturalforlife6741 I say z900 because of the similarities. It’s same brand, still an I4, still has sporty riding in mind. But also more comfortable, more usable torque, and actually cheaper. All the improvements with Minimal compromise
In the same sense that a better sporty comparison to the street triple would be a Daytona
@@jordanjoestar8839 gsxr 750 vs gsxs 750 you mean
“Do You Really Need” is such a Non American thing to say. This is the Land of Wants.
No need, only want!
AMURICAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Thruxton has class … ZX doesn’t …
Old man POV
@@teej1987not really. I mean maybe kinda, but still the ZX is just another supersport. They’re all basically the same. Paint them all same color and remove all badging and most people will be hard pressed to distinguish between them. Timeless classics will always stand out.
@@teej1987 I agree and I'm no old man. Horses for courses, I suppose, but the Thruxton wins on class and it's not even a competition.
For anyone interested, the z900rs is an incredibly good middle ground.
For my fellow dirt bois, what is interesting is the same argument can be made about off-road focused bikes. I got a drz400s and all it wants to do with is ride technical stuff, so I was frustrated when all I could find locally is easy gravel forest service roads. Then I got a vstrom and found it much more suited to what was around.
Its almost like using the right motorcycle for its intended application is the most satisfying and rewarding long term experience. Who would have thought?
Bro I have a 600, looking for a dirt next year. Is a 250 big enough. I'm 6'2 180
You got a.........
100% The right tool for the right job!
Absolutely. Love me a midsized adv bike when you're just doing pavement or reasonably nice dirt/gravel roads. You get the creature comforts and a great feel doing those roads at high speed.
It's why the single most important part of bike shopping is deciding exactly what riding you're actually going to spend the most of their time doing. Being honest with yourself, too.
If people want a sport bike, people want a sport bike. I like being hunched over rather than straight up. Plus pegs are higher. That’s why they make different bikes. Everybody has different tastes. Stop trying to convince people to buy something that “makes sense” when purchasing a bike is an emotional investment
so many people though regret buying sport bikes I feel more then any other bike and other motorcycles can be much more practical especially when it comes to 600's and i think the secret is meeting in the middle of something that works for what you need it for vs what you want cause you might want an R6 but you live in a city so you get an MT 07/R7
@@gavin3810 well City riding is different. There are different areas to ride and different reasons. I live in rural America with many “mini tails of the dragon” roads. Some people like torque to come out of them but I don’t like buzzing p twins up top. I’d rather have a smooth inline or something in between like a v4. If I were to get a naked it be something like a tuono because it still has a low reach
@@jeffd694 100% and are you talking about the seat height when you say low reach?
@@gavin3810 no bar reach. I feel more comfortable both literally and mentally the more My body is leaning forward. Obviously there is too far and ride length plays a factor. I had 14 gsxr600 but looking to get either Street triple rs, r1, rsv4/tuono, or r9 if they come out with it by the time I “pull the trigger”
@@jeffd694 huh interesting I've never heard that before that's awesome though!
I have a Thruxton TFC (which is lighter, has ohlins front and back, more power and the clipons are lower). To me it’s the perfect street bike. Handles great and can also handle the potholes. Been riding since mid 90s and have owned everything from a 200cc Suzuki to a 200hp Panigale. Most current sport bikes are way too much for the street unless you live where there is zero traffic which would have to be some other planet.
Great job, Josh! You have improved so much on camera and you were probably the best guy for this video.
My first bikes were a CBR-600F and then a Yamaha R6, in that order. My new ride, after a multi-year hiatus, is a Thruxton R. I love the torquey grunt, down low and 0-60 in 3.1 is nothing to sneeze at. Its multipurpose. You can commute on it, you can joyride on it.. If I had wanted another 14,000 rpm wind-it-out monster, Id have bought one. But I got this. Its as much fun to look at as it is to ride. Im happy. Different strokes for different folks.
I don't think josh is riding the thrurxton hard enough to find its potential. Now let's see what it can do on track.
I noticed that as well, never saw any open throttle- hang on for dear life moments🤣🤣
Yammie Noob, tackling the toughest of questions and Josh giving us the answers. Because thats what hero's do.
Josh, GREAT JOB!!! Appreciated your feedback. The summary between you and Yam was great too. This was a great comparo!
Imagine a life where you ride a turbo busa before swinging a leg over a supersport 600cc 😂👍 dope
I take my Thruxton RS over any Screamer any day of the week. I can actually have fun and accelerate confidently and shift a couple of times while doing so without having to fear ending up in jail. Supersports are great for the track but don't give any pleasure while rinding "kinda" legally.
What about an mt09?
@@R1___ That would be a perfect 3 cylinder bike for the backroad. A great 2 cylinder bike would be a KTM Duke 890R. The only 4 cylinder that comes to mind is the Z900.
@@R1___ I think the current MT09 fits nicely between these two and would be a great option. It has good torque and is enjoyable even at slower speeds but can also go fast. (Disclaimer: I own a 2021 MTO9).
I gotta say, the best modification you could possibly make on a 600 for riding on the street is shortening up the gearing with some aftermarket sprockets. I did a -1/+2 set up on my bike and it livens it up so much, and yeah you drop your top speed by 10% but the benefit of having shorter gears that you can rev out and not yeet into the sun and perking up the low end is so worth it.
And let's be real, most people are never going to be able to use an i4 600's stock top speed.
636 is just to bent over. I bought a Triumph 675 triple R because Yammi got me excited about the brand.
My next bike is gonna be a Cafe Racer!
I personally like the low end torque. I compared a 900cc Yamaha with a Speed Twin and went for the Speed Twin. Even though the Yamaha is faster it just felt slow to me (bad combo if you don't want to lose your license or get frustrated in traffic). Having to downshift and rev up to get that power is just not for me. With that Speed Twin I can quickly and easily slip into gaps in traffic with no hassle and without having to rev at stupid high RPMs. To be fair however I picked the bike to make my commute more interesting, not for the track or carving up twisties over the weekend.
I have a speed twin too and this is exactly what I think they missed - top end speed vs acceleration; track day vs traffic. An engine with low end torque that blasts up to full speed in an instant (no time wasted down shifting and just faster acceleration) is perfect for some situations like jumping between cars and top end speed is great for others like the racetrack!
(iron) horses for courses!
Congratulations on the partnership with EuroCycle!!!!!
I love the sound that ZX6R makes, especially love the crackling when it engine breaks ❤️
Damn... I want a ZX6R with a pipe now.
Glad to see Josh getting better and more comfortable on camera. Keep it up bro!
TQ over HP For me. I am a standard rider, grew up on dirt bikes. Z900 looks good IMO, but I like Old/Retro analog gauged Bikes anyway. It might be because Im old, and Appreciate anything with Tits or Wheels.
The most ironic thing about the cafe racer revival is that if the Cafe racers of the 1960's had access to modern 600cc bikes they would not be riding brittish twins.
That's just factually false. CAFEs are liked because of the classic look of the bike not because of speed. Modern Japanese bikes are plastic in nature.
@Omora CAFE Racers are not cruisers.
@@vegasmike You can't read properly. Look again and understand the post before commenting.
Honda CB750 ring a 🛎? Compare it with the Thruxton. A I4 vs Ptwin cafe bike. And maybe someone who’s born before the 1990s give a comparison. He did decent on the comparisons. A GSXR750 vs This Thruxton RS would be a better comparison.
I’ve had both. Both offer great feels for daily / spirited riding.
@@vegasmike
That's the point. All they had were cruisers so to get sporty they put clip-ons and rearsets for posture, alloy rims, twin,4 or even 8 leading shoe front brakes, hot cams maybe a couple extra (for acceleration) or fewer (for speed) toothed rear sprockets, single seat to save weight, maybe bigger carbs, high comp pistons - there was no off-the-shelf alternative (maybe an AJS 7R but they were expensive, rare and a 500 single, as was the Velocette Venom and BSA Gold Star). Triumph have done all that for us with this Thruxton over the standard Bonnie. More power, more torque, more lean, less wheelbase, better suspension and handling. If they'd had 4 cylinder sportsbikes back in the sixties no-one would've bothered. And lo, up step Honda, Yamaha, Kwaka and out go Brit bikes, just like that. All over bar the nostalgia till Bloor gets their act together with the triples. But big twins will always have a niche torque/sound/feel experience that will appeal to certain riders, as evinced here.
Great comparison and video.
I have a ZZR600 and a Thruxton R.
I have never ridden the Kawasaki since buying the Triumph, but I am old and decrepit now.
I'm not at all sure why someone prefers to scream an engine at crazy rpms, crashing through gears
to achieve the acceleration and speeds that the Thruxton supplies so effortlessly with little effort.
I think the Thruxton is the lazy mans bike.
I'm totally with you on the Thruxton. Its an awesome ride and I want one!
Congratulations on such an amazing achievement, can't wait to see your channel grow even bigger.
Wow. The fact that even though his opinion differed, I am so glad that Josh's opinion was left untouched, and unedited. Even though you had a slight bias towards the Thruxton, its honesty like this that makes this channel amazing. Thanks for being awesome!
You could tell from the start,Josh,did not want to like the Thuxton
I honestly couldn't agree more. I bought a 2015 Daytona 675 about a year ago with the intention of having it as a road and track bike. It took me about 1,000km of road riding and 8 track days for me to come to the exact same conclusion as Josh. The Daytona is now a dedicated track bike and I've kept my trusty little CBR500r (first bike) for road riding and commuting.
Josh, what a thorough and interesting review!! hats off.
I appreciate Josh as a human being. Flat out
Appreciate Josh’s perspective. While as not seasoned as Yammie, it’s highly valuable and relatable!
Great video. Really good comparison.
That thruxton is one of the most beautiful bikes made full stop
I definitely know where Josh is coming from. Having rode a GSX-R750 LTD back in 1986 to current day with a Thruxton RS Ton Up and a Speed Triple 1200RR. But I also have a Daytona 765 Moto2 and and a the Tiger 1200 Explorer. So being an "older guy" riding 4 different bikes, I love them all. Which one I ride more these days is the Thruxton. I don't care if my hair or lack there of is on fire. I did that long before Josh was born😄 He thinks like a young guy would. I think like an older guy does. I kept saying during the video, "wait till you're older" 😄 Great video and I'm glad you got Josh on. He's a good kid.
Honestly, I still choose the ZX6R.
perfect comparisons, that really point out the difference between the 2 cyl vs 4 cyl. Maybe comparing this green thing with the Z900Rs (also retro, all rounder) would be more even, as it also has it's available power up on the rev range. Overall great comparison. Note: If you have kids... you already have your hair on fire. You don't want to risk the rest of the body. This is like a hooligan vs. gentleman comparison. LOVED iT!
Agreed I just got into the non Cafe Zr900 it's everything my old ZZr600 can do and more I nearly get 400miles on a full tank tons of torque never disappoints
Yes. My first thoughts on watching this review were the variables between a 4-cylinder vs a twin. Two ..very different motors in how they deliver. I've ridden all my life & now with a grey patina, well, the story goes, I test-rode a Suzuki GSX S1000, great power delivery, was smooth well balanced, handled braked well & then, ....I jumped on the Thruxton. Instantly fell in love with her. Did everything & more than the big banger four just, well, differently. A four, high revving motor requires a different riding style than a rather forgiving big twin. Thruxton's engine braking & arm wrenching torque, when you twist that throttle vs a 160hp free spinning, grab a handful of brakes before a corner inline-four. A de-cat big-bore exhaust system & improved cam & air intake takes the Thruxton to the next level. Loved my big fours when a youngster when speed was everything however, roads are policed more than in my day & the exhilaration of that triumph torque, well, trumps the high revving four any day.
Z900RS has the lowdown torque and the linear top end you're looking for. Having said that, I love both of these bikes for their intended purpose.
As the owner of a 2019 Z900RS Cafe,I agree.
I needed this review to be done by Yammie.
I was a bit like Josh when I was young
You’ve got to learn over the years to appreciate all bikes and their uses
It’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow😎
None of my buddies with full on supersport bikes will ride very far from home. Too uncomfortable. The good twistys are at least an hour away, and getting them to go ride them is like pulling teeth. Give me an all day comfortable, torquey bike like the Thruxton any day! The tighter the road, the better for a torque monster of a machine. I did seven hours on my FTR today. Save the supersports for the track.
I’ve always drooled over the Thruxton… since I saw one in person back in 2014….
25 years ago I had a Ninja 600R-about 90 horse power back then. I rode it everywhere for 2 years including several 600 mile 1 day trips. This was in Idaho, Washington, Oregon and California-wide open country. After a few close calls with animals, I found it easier to drive at less than full throttle, a lot less. Now, I love my W800. It’s probably the sweet-spot for sane road riding, price and style. I love it.
Josh has got so much better at these vlogs. Good job man!
Currently the video I needed, these guys read my mind!
Need more josh on the channel as he is someone who’s explanations and opinions I can relate to more as a newer rider (3 yrs)
Great review, thanks
Love the Josh content, keep him coming.
I own a Triumph Truxton RS 2021. And it’s my twelveth bike that I owned. I had sport bikes in the past like a Honda CBR 1000R and a Honda RC 51 as well. I loved my sport bikes. So now that I’ve crossed the fifty barrier in age, I enjoy my Thruxton more than any other bikes I owned in my past. It is sporty, plus I like to ride a motorcycle on its torque much more than on its rev. I like the “tractor” effect of my Triumph. After a year; I’ve reached over 11 000 km at the odometer. And more to come…😊
Went from an SV1000s to a Speed Twin. Ten per cent more torque, ten less power. Very happy. Looks much better also.
Have a Thruxton and a Daytona. My Thruxton is just as fun at the track as my Daytona. Totally different but fun to push and can go.
I enjoyed Josh's take on the Turbo 'Busa. It was revelatory and incisive.
I would have liked to have gotten Whitney's take on these bikes. She has never been just what I expected. That is refreshing.
I also enjoyed Spite's road trip. I'd like to see you guys arrange a rendezvous with Noraly (Itchy Boots) as she enters the U.S. Perhaps this is already in the works?
Keep up the distinctive content. I like your new, diverse directions.
Josh makes a good point. Ride a track bike on the track. Ride a road bike on the road. An R6 or a Ninja 600 are track bikes. I had a BMW R1150RS which is like an old guy’s sport bike. I loved it but I wanted to go fast all the time. The power was a rush and that was older tech; not like 95HP is that much anymore. Still felt amazing on the highway on-ramp to me. Nice torque outta that 1150 Boxer twin. Low rev, high torque, high compression, fuel injected engine.
I have both a Bonneville T120 and a Ninja 1000 SX and Josh's comparisons felt accurate to me (despite my not having a true supersport). The Bonneville is a great bike to chill out all day on, but the Ninja is definitely the more agile of the two, both in a straight line and on the side of the tire.
Back in 91, I bought a used 79 Kawasaki KZ 650 D that was a blast. Put 10,000 miles a year on that beast! Tricked it out for touring and rode it up and down the East Coast for two weeks on one of the best vacations of my life.
Great video Josh. It's a strange comparison those two bikes. As someone with an old '88 GSX1100F I think some of those old engines that would be the best of both worlds torque down low and power at the top of the range too make more sense than either of those bikes, .. at least for an old guy like me.
I rode a Kawi ZX-7R for years - loved it for city, short trips and twisties. Took it on a long-ish trip and it was painful. (All may be just me getting old - had the 7R when I was mid 50's, I'll be 60 this summer).
I traded the 7R in for a Triumph Speed Triple and the upper body position was far better for day to day. My current bike is a GSX-S750 (moved from 1050 to 750 due to crazy British Columbia, Canada, insurance reasons) - lower body is a more sport position, upper is more comfortable.
I rode a...........
That's why I have a Ninja 400 and if I can have 2 bikes I'm looking at the CBR650R
Josh nailed it. Good work.
The triumph looks stunning
Heck yeah, I wanna see you take this to the track. The Honda too!
Josh was amazing, we need more content from him. Even his musings were sharp
13:40
Except fir the R7. That bike will be fun on the twisties because of that CP2.
Josh is a good narrator, of his opinion, and I mean that, in a good way. The whole idea was to get his "take" on these two bikes.
I juat bought a 2016 ZX6r ABS with less than 1200 miles on it for $8,200.
& I AM HAPPY!
Thruxton 1200 R owner here. . One is a plastic fairing covered race bike, the Thruxton is classy and has soul.
Do you buy a Thruxton to be the fastest on the road? Nah, you buy one because of the feels!
Living vicariously through this channel even after getting my first bike. Not being able to register sucks :(
It's worth the wait, patience is bitter but it's fruit is sweet.
Looks like a tough road to open up a 600 on. Lots of twists with low visibility, can't even get out of 2nd gear if you are really trying to ride it. The trick with a 600 is to ride it like one. Always stay in the powerband unless you are stuck behind someone or want to just cruise. This means 2nd gear until 70mph minimum, 4th shouldn't even be touched unless you are over 100 (or want to cruise/stuck like I said). That way with a twist of the wrist everything on offer is available.
it’ll be great to compare the triumph with the Z900rs café
This right here. I went that route because i wanted the 4cyl sound without it having to be screaming to make power.
Interesting video and love YN channel, but the 44teeth review is how to see the RS properly thrashed (and see why it's awesome).
Great video
I am 50 years old and I am going for the Truxton, I had scratch rocket on my younger days but at my age I want the classic look and more comfortable ride
Triumph thruxton for sure , but that's because I've had a supersport , and I agree that you can't fully use them unless on track. Where as the thruxton I feel you can use more for the road and track. But that's just my opinion. Either way I love all bikes!
Good comparison!
Street Triple RS is what’s in between them for me.
I would pick the thruxton over any race bike. Why? Because I do not race. If i drive a motorcylce I actually want to enjoy the ride. The Thruxton is a dream of a bike. It has the most beautiful speedometer I ever saw. WHich is kind of important , because that is what u , as a rider see most of the time.
Thruxton is beautiful but I'd rather have a Z900RS. I'D want a larger rpm range than the Thruxton offers.
We deal with vintage bikes, like all the way back to 1911 was the earliest I remember, and we race these very vintage bikes, the thing with these bikes and retros is you can be a hell of a lot slower and still have a ton of fun, so if I’m 70ish and having fun and come off, I might be put back together, doing 120ish and coming off, well good luck
My first bike was ‘15 ZX6R my current bike is a ‘19 Speed Twin with thruxton rs suspension swap front and rear. I love both bikes but I think I prefer the triumph. It’s classy you see less of them and can be a proper hooligans bike if you push it.
The funny thing is, it sounds like you both would prefer SV's for street riding and twisties, even though that wasn't part of this test. Have him do a comparison on the ZX6, an SV650, and the Thruxton?
Two very different but respected perspectives of what is wanted out of the experience of riding a motorcycle. Neither are wrong views, and neither of the bikes are wrong choices. It just depends on what the rider is looking for in their choice. What choice would I make? A 2022 ZX6R and I'm 58 years old. But truthful I'm looking at the ZX10R.
Maybe a midlife thing, or want to relive my youth one more time before I can't!
You are never to old to still have fun if you can get your body to keep up. Lol
Josh really earning that paycheck lately
I'd like to see Josh's take on an SV1000 or RC51. It would be a great video to see how it compares to his current SV650.
Your thoughts on the thruxton at the end are the same reasons a lot of us enjoy Harleys 😉.. lmaoo.. we're all the same with age and time brothers and sisters
I have Streetfighter V4S and Thruxton and on twisty roads the Thruxton gearing is more use-albe (instead of being stuck in 2nd gear all day) and fun. I also found that the Thruxton gears were so similar that you could apply torque pretty much anytime you needed it. No reason to wring it out, just shift and more instant torque. I did feel the torque drop off above 5k and that was irritating me so I got the Arrow straight headers and everything that was holding the bike back came alive. You will see 100 options on how to get the most torque out of different crossover pipes but you DONT NEED the extra torque and opening up the top end is way more beneficial. You might lose a few ft lbs with straight headers, they are still there, just further up the RPM band and you also loose the lurch you were talking about. Much smoother. I bang the rev limiter all the time now. The Thruxton also felt held back on the freeway like it just didnt have anything left but now it feels right. It is still going to max out about 145.... With is why I drive the Streetfighter on the freeway.
I own a kawasaki w800 Café and love every minute of it.
You guys are funny: „The Thruxton weighs around 50 pounds more. That‘s probably due to the old style steel frame.“ - Could you do me favor and take a look at that giant engine and the gearbox right behind it that seems to have its own completely separate housing? Great video as always. I had a good laugh 😆
Yammie, just for shits and giggles, could you take the Thruxton RS to the track?
I have owned a R6 and a R1. My current bike is now a Thruxton R. It looks better, it rides better, gives me all the sport bike handling, power, etc that I was getting from my R6 and more gear changes than my R1 so it’s more engaging to ride. Would never go back to the R6/R1 bikes.
Im plan to get the Thruxston, and evern though you lambasted it... I enjoyed your commentary. hahahaha
I have to agree with Yammie on this one. The Kawasaki is the better bike IF you can find the right road and situation to use its potential. The Truxton RS is more civilized and for older/richer people who want their bike to do a little of everything. Riding that Kawasaki in Austin city traffic is what Josh described as torture. He is right.
I also have a 2007 sv650s that a lady hit me on late last summer. $6,000 in damage on a bike I paid $6,400 for 15 years ago. Now I've got a 2021 ZX6
I used to ride a R6 and now I ride an Thruxton 900. I am pretty hellbent on getting 1200 now...it's all to do with the vibe (enter the distinguished gentleman), whilst still having some beans to give on the road. Is it just me - I just seriously dislike lime plastic? It might have been cool in the 90s, when we all used to watch Ninja Turtles. Each to their own I guess. I liked watching this review though.
Guys, do a video on the Suzuki Katana, starting from the original and up to the current one. 👍🏻
That's a great idea for an episode.
This is perfect. I have an R6 for track duty and a 2022 Thruxton RS for street. The Thruxton far exceeded my expectations, not done with the video but hope josh feels it too!
Finished video, josh I gotta disagree with you. My Thruxton is much more exciting on the street than my R6 ever could be. I do agree that the super sport is better for the track, but it’s like comparing hiking boots to yeezys. There’s a time and place for a 600cc, and that’s the track. Otherwise it’s a literal pain in the butt. For reference my R6 is tuned, piped, has woodcraft clipons and rearsets, G2 quick throttle, everything for track duty, yet on the street it is a complete dog compared to the Thruxton.
After all of the 600s I’ve owned and the torquey standards, I follow the rule of horsepower on the track and torque on the street. Loved the video and hope your feelings toward the Thruxton grow like mine have :)
For the streets a 400 cc single cylinder is enough