So the line "seegarettes illegal in this state" prompted me to look up the history of Iowa's cigarette ban. It was the first state to ever pass such a ban in 1897, and many other states including Indiana, Michigan, and Washington followed suit. I wasn't able to figure out when it was overturned. I learned something from a musical today.
The Music Man is in fact excellent social history. All those rapid clever lyrics in a number of songs actually do say something. It's one of the many joys of the show.
In case anyone was wondering, he says "Credit is no good for a notion salesman" Notions: small, useful articles, as needles, thread, etc., sold in a store (collinsdictionary)
***** for the record, I never said that this meant white people invented rap. I was only saying that this meant rap was cool to do before it was made popular in the late 1900's.
The first musical I ever saw on broadway. Also the second play I was ever in as a child. This still brings so many memories back. My all time favorite play!
I had to learn this with my class in our Year 9 music class... in 2007. Today, I randomly get the lyrics stuck in my head and I haven't listened to this since 2007! Had to come and find this again. Amazing what our brains retain 😂😍
I agree! Move over "Hamilton," this rap song hit Broadway in 1960 and the silver screen in 1962! It turns out that, for all his criticism by many critics for being "corny," Meredith Wilson was a forerunner! He did something at least 18 years ahead of its time (i.e. 18 years before Rapture and Rappers Delight).
what's really cool about this is that it's not actually rap, it's patter--broadway patter kind of evolved alongside rap and involves the same speed and really similar rhyming and wordplay, and both require really incredible skill to write and perform, but they're both from entirely different genres! hamilton was the first musical to combine rap and patter but patter's got a great & long history on broadway.
JUST-A-MINUTE, JUST-A-MINUTE, JUST-A-MINUTE, JUST-A-MINUTE!!!!! love that part HILL? HILL? HILL? HILL? HILL? HILL? HILL? NEVER HEARD OF ANY SALESMAN HILL!
can't wait to tell my fellow salesmen and the entire school all about professor harold hill. we're doing the new version of this song too, so there's quite a lot more lines for us all to memorize but it's gonna be a ton of fun performing this to open our school musical
The steam engine may have supplied a crude rhythm ( in the movie) but if you guys didn’t have a steam engine in your college play, yea, that would be tough
imdafarmer gamerboy Funny thing is, cigarettes are not illegal here, only a 500% tax and rising. So a $3 pack costs at least $15 Because they're "wrong". How can you argue with that?
Wikipedia uses this as an example of *ghost notes* . The notation represents that the lyrics must be spoken rather than sung, retaining the marked rhythm but having indeterminate pitch. Similar to Sprechstimme in opera. And rapping, of course.
It gets going good as the train pulls out, then slows down dramatically as the train slows down then stops: ending is a bit dull but all in all a great classic!
He's a what he's a what? He's a music man and he sells clarinets to the kids in the [[[[ town ]]]]??? if it were a true rhyming rap he wouldn't say "town" he'd say : "he's a music man and he sells clarinets to the kids in the land!" Yessir
@Roy G Biv so what is your point? Why you so mad? Huummm?? I know you're angry, white, and male..Maybe straight, maybe not. But definitely an old curmudgeon who is mad that their days in sun are setting. Truth is: no one is going to remember the 'whos' and the 'firsts' and all that jazz after we lose our generation of gays who understand what "a friend of Dorothy" even means and why. Kids these days don't know or care about a lot of things you cherish. So unless you can get Ken Burns to do a series on it, I suggest you build a bridge and get over it. Its a patter song. It is NOT the first rap song. Not even close. And I should know because I can tell undoubted Raphaels from Gerard Dows and Zoffanies. I know the croaking chorus from the Frogs of Aristophanes. Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore. And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense!
When I was a kid in the third grade I watched this movie and it had such an influence on me I took band class and learned how to play a trombone as well as music theory. I played the trombone clear up to marching band in my senior year of high school. Looking at it now it seems to be a silly little ditty, but those were the good days when people had a sense of dignity. Now society has for the most part has lost its moral compass.
'Why it's the Model T Ford made the people wanna go, wanna git, wanna git, wanna git up and go 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 22, 23 miles to the county seat.' Now we can blame Henry Ford for everyone wanting to get up and go to Wal-Mart.
Only recently watched this movie after seeing the Flim Flam Brothers episode of MLP. Then I watched the 2003 version. Never again. they're called EMOTIONS Matthew Broderick, use them! >.O
1:11 they jumped the tempo forward - it's supposed to speed up smoothly. Guess that's the problem with a movie version vs a live version. Love this scene when done well
You can also open a musical with a lone farm-woman on stage churning butter silently and a male voice singing from off-stage. They just don't write 'em like they yoosta!
What I always loved about this song is how it establishes Hill as almost impossible, like a hero from an urban legend, just absolutely setting him up on a pedastal so high that surely it's impossible that he'd meet the hype. Then you actually see Hill work and realize that if anything this song *sold him short*.
Your comment is so well expressed and neatly captures a method of technique by which we are lead into the story with focus on the central figure before we meet him. Exasperation for them or particularly for the anvil salesmen, and charisma and delight for us. It's the first instance of Meredith Willson's genius and the unfolding product doesn't disappoint.
This song is one thing you really have to appreciate about The Music Man. With this song, every production of this show lets you know almost immediately whether or not it's going to absolutely suck.
I wouldnt know why. Nobody sings. Everyone is a guy - no women. The guy who really carries the picture, Robert Preston, hardly appears at all. Not sure what this tells you then.
This opening shows you how much depth The Music Man had. I mean, Robert Preston just sits there through the entire song and never shows his face. Yet he dominates the movie otherwise. So clearly, the movie was a lot more than just a vehicle for Preston. It had a great ensemble cast and you really can't find any weak characters. Hollywood at its very best.
True ... but remember that Robert Preston had performed the role of Harold Hill ,,, about 700 times ... on Broadway ... and when Warner wanted some one else for the movie role (Frank Sinatra and Cary Grant were considered) ... Meredeth Willson said "Either Robert Preston gets the part ... or you don't get my movie." Interestingly though ... in the movie ... Harold Hill never did anything wrong ... and he never broke any law. He promised them instruments, uniforms, and instruction booklets ... and he delivered on that promise. He promised to form a boys band ... and he did. He did everything he said he would do ... and never broke a single law ... and yet they arrested him ... held him against his will ... and threatened to tar and feather him.
My teacher made us memorize this whole song and reenact it in my 7th grade music class. Four years later and basically everyone in my school still remembers the lyrics lmao
I played the role of the Music Man in the 5th or 6th grade in 1965 (I think) and remember my lines even to today and I'm 68 years old. Also remember how our music teacher and school skirted the part in which I was supposed to kiss Marion. Back then in the 60's even in NYC white and black intimacy perceived or otherwise was frowned upon. All in all it was a great lifetime experience and hopefully will see it on Broadway this year.
Hill: "Gentlemen, you intrigue me. I'm going to have to give Iowa a try." Charlie: "Don't believe I caught your name." Professor Harold Hill: "Don't believe I dropped it." (As his suitcase reveals his name, he jumps off the train just as it starts going leaving behind a train car full of very angry Traveling Salesmen)
The requirements for a man to date my daughter:
1. Does he have a job?
2. He got any habits?
3. DOES HE KNOW THE TERRITORY!?!?
Maybe he shouldn't be *too* eager to "know the territory," if you know what I mean! 😈
4. What's his line?
@@suspicioususer "He's a fake! and he doesn't know the territory!"
What does he talk?
@@aresbishop5636 -- Where does he get it?
So the line "seegarettes illegal in this state" prompted me to look up the history of Iowa's cigarette ban. It was the first state to ever pass such a ban in 1897, and many other states including Indiana, Michigan, and Washington followed suit. I wasn't able to figure out when it was overturned.
I learned something from a musical today.
It appears as though it was repealed in 1921.
The Music Man is in fact excellent social history. All those rapid clever lyrics in a number of songs actually do say something. It's one of the many joys of the show.
In case anyone was wondering, he says "Credit is no good for a notion salesman"
Notions: small, useful articles, as needles, thread, etc., sold in a store (collinsdictionary)
Omg thank you for clarifying. All this time I thought he said “ocean salesman” and I never gave it a second thought 😅
but he dOESN'T KNOW THE TERRITORY
#burn
Whadda ya talk? whadda ya talk?
Cynthia Bruno where do ya get it?
But when the man dances, certainly boys, what else? The piper pays him!
Yes sir. Yess sirr. Yesssss ssiiiiiirrrrrrr.
Proof that rap was cool before it was invented.
Ryuichi Takumi And then it was invented and a "c" was added to it.
+SCE2AUX2 oh man, oh man oh man
+SCE2AUX2 yes sir, yes sir
***** for the record, I never said that this meant white people invented rap. I was only saying that this meant rap was cool to do before it was made popular in the late 1900's.
Ahh could o`l fashioned blame the white man.
The first musical I ever saw on broadway. Also the second play I was ever in as a child. This still brings so many memories back. My all time favorite play!
I wish they still made films like this...
I hear you. And sadly even if they remake this exact movie, they still find ways to mess it up. Thankfully the 1960 film version still exists.
@@gregorymoore2877
They did remake the movie staring Matt Broderick.
@@matthew8153 I know. That's how I know they'll mess it up. 😉
Star Trek version of this musical:
Oh ya got Tribbles my friend, right here in River City.
Wrong song, my dude
😁😁😁👏👏👏
🤣🤣🤣
One of my favorite scenes in this musical! This is performances is pure genius!❤
One of the greatest opening scenes of a musical of all time!
Hugh Jackman's performance at the Tony Award brought me here.
aergdr yes sir yes sir yes sir
Samee
aergdr same
aergdr That's unfortunate.
I had to learn this with my class in our Year 9 music class... in 2007. Today, I randomly get the lyrics stuck in my head and I haven't listened to this since 2007! Had to come and find this again. Amazing what our brains retain 😂😍
My favorite musical.
The train conductor Percy Helton one of the most recognizable character actors. He seemed to be in everything
I agree! Move over "Hamilton," this rap song hit Broadway in 1960 and the silver screen in 1962! It turns out that, for all his criticism by many critics for being "corny," Meredith Wilson was a forerunner! He did something at least 18 years ahead of its time (i.e. 18 years before Rapture and Rappers Delight).
what's really cool about this is that it's not actually rap, it's patter--broadway patter kind of evolved alongside rap and involves the same speed and really similar rhyming and wordplay, and both require really incredible skill to write and perform, but they're both from entirely different genres! hamilton was the first musical to combine rap and patter but patter's got a great & long history on broadway.
You could go back further to Judy Garland. When she did Interview with a Lady in Zeigfeld Follies.
K W patter? Cute term :)
"Hamilton, move over, your new competition's in town!"
Living in Rock Island makes this song even better :)
I couldn't agree more!!! that was definitely one of my favorite parts of this scene. but this is definitely one of the greatest songs in the movie. :D
Masterful lyric writing. Willson was a genius.
Brings back fond memories of doing Music Man this last winter at my High School
"JUST A MINUTE, JUST A MINUTE, JUST A MINUTE!!!"
This was incredible. I mean..... It didn't even need music to be music.
WHY DO WE NOT DO THIS ANYMORE?!?!?!
Since the set obviously wasn't shaking, I wonder if the actors, having to sing in each others face shaking themselves constantly ever just cracked up.
Whaddya talk, whaddya talk, whaddaya talk, whaddaya talk?...
Will ALWAYS love this
Saw it locally........outstanding!
I was in this scene in High School lol man this brings back all kinds of good memories.
Remember watching dis back in 3rd day in music class classic🔥
2:09 Ho here! To close Carl!
But you godda know the territory! Seriously I grew up with this movie, always has been one of my fans
this. is. amazing.
JUST-A-MINUTE, JUST-A-MINUTE, JUST-A-MINUTE, JUST-A-MINUTE!!!!! love that part
HILL? HILL? HILL? HILL? HILL? HILL? HILL? NEVER HEARD OF ANY SALESMAN HILL!
i saw this as a play and this song was amazing
the original Hamilton
I am just realizing how many terms Ad Infinitum has in common with this
can't wait to tell my fellow salesmen and the entire school all about professor harold hill. we're doing the new version of this song too, so there's quite a lot more lines for us all to memorize but it's gonna be a ton of fun performing this to open our school musical
I can honestly say, In my high school musical this year this was the one scene where I wanted to give up my role to be in this scene
God, our high school music teacher made us watch this and it’s been burned in my head for 18 years now
We did this show in college, and this opening scene is actually a cappella, there’s no music or rhythm to help you so we really had to nail it.
The steam engine may have supplied a crude rhythm ( in the movie) but if you guys didn’t have a steam engine in your college play, yea, that would be tough
omg its so brilliant i love it
my music class was playing this movie today i love the beginning part on the train :D
The train conductor was the drunk Santa Claus in "Miracle on 34th Street." :)
Jguy365 he was also train conductor in White Christmas who challenges Bing and Danny Kaye when they hop aboard without tickets
He gets around.
Grace Spelman brought me here
I need to get some friends and do this on a public bus...
I used to listen to this cast album when I was a kid
This needs to be a scene in Deadpool 3
Deadpool: Ever meet a fellow by the name of Hill?
Wolverine: He doesn't know the territory
Genius😂
YES 😂😂
“When the man dances . . . the piper pays HIM.”
Maybe the best line in the whole movie.
Wow did he say cigerattes illegal in this state?
Yeppers!
Yeah, because this was set in 1910.
Matthew Smith He just didnt want the salesman to smoke on the train, as there is a tobacco store in River City
imdafarmer gamerboy Funny thing is, cigarettes are not illegal here, only a 500% tax and rising. So a $3 pack costs at least $15
Because they're "wrong". How can you argue with that?
I just caught that it was Charlie who pissed off everyone in Brighton, and he's the one trying to get Hill.
Yes, he was run out of town because of Hill. That's why he wants to get him.
I'm currently playing Salesman #4 in my High school musical, and it is so much fun! Whadayatalk, Whadayatalk!?
Technicolor 3-dye process.
Expensive.
Time consuming.
Absolutely visually stunning.
This opening was the best of the whole play.
"SHH SHH SHH SHH SHH SHH SHH!!!"
I'm gonna watch this in about 30 minutes so let's refresh me with this
Are they singing or talking? Its kind of confusing, and fun.
amarillise morgan they’re talking in rythem
Wikipedia uses this as an example of *ghost notes* . The notation represents that the lyrics must be spoken rather than sung, retaining the marked rhythm but having indeterminate pitch. Similar to Sprechstimme in opera. And rapping, of course.
we started watching this movie at my school in music
and honestly this is the only part i kinda like
It gets going good as the train pulls out, then slows down dramatically as the train slows down then stops: ending is a bit dull but all in all a great classic!
My school is doing this play and I'm in the crew. We try and make all the actors on stage laugh during their lines:) cus we are nice!
Were doing this song in YTC ! I'm sales Salesman 4 !! :)) Look what do ya talk ? XD
Cash!...at a time when anvils were literally flying off of the shelves
Very Entertaining!
they hadto rock themselves nothing was actually moving there amazing!
He's a what he's a what? He's a music man and he sells clarinets to the kids in the [[[[ town ]]]]??? if it were a true rhyming rap he wouldn't say "town" he'd say :
"he's a music man and he sells clarinets to the kids in the land!"
Yessir
@Roy G Biv so what is your point? Why you so mad? Huummm?? I know you're angry, white, and male..Maybe straight, maybe not. But definitely an old curmudgeon who is mad that their days in sun are setting. Truth is: no one is going to remember the 'whos' and the 'firsts' and all that jazz after we lose our generation of gays who understand what "a friend of Dorothy" even means and why. Kids these days don't know or care about a lot of things you cherish. So unless you can get Ken Burns to do a series on it, I suggest you build a bridge and get over it. Its a patter song. It is NOT the first rap song. Not even close. And I should know because I can tell undoubted Raphaels from Gerard Dows and Zoffanies. I know the croaking chorus from the Frogs of
Aristophanes. Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore. And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense!
When I was a kid in the third grade I watched this movie and it had such an influence on me I took band class and learned how to play a trombone as well as music theory. I played the trombone clear up to marching band in my senior year of high school. Looking at it now it seems to be a silly little ditty, but those were the good days when people had a sense of dignity. Now society has for the most part has lost its moral compass.
One of my favorite pastimes is putting this video on 1.5x speed
This song goes harder than it has any right to
The birth of Rap.
'Why it's the Model T Ford made the people wanna go, wanna git, wanna git, wanna git up and go 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 22, 23 miles to the county seat.' Now we can blame Henry Ford for everyone wanting to get up and go to Wal-Mart.
100 years after the car created the mall and the department store, the internet is destroying them.
Just listened to Andy Kaufman singing this. :)
The “what’ya talk” guy in this version always reminds me of JK Simmons
we had to do this song in my music class...
Starts and stops like the ol' Rock Island Line I used to know.
I may be 12 but this movie is my favorite
One of the most intellectual. Good for speech exercises.
"He's a music man!"
...you too.
And when the man dances, certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays HIM!
Yes sir. Yesss sssir. Yessssss sssssssir.
+mediocrity BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW THE TERRITORY!!!
Notice how the tempo of the song matches the train's speed (accelerating and decelerating and all).
Ladies, if he doesn't know the territory, he's not worth your time
In '62, it was the ORIGINAL Rap Music!!
There but for the Grace....
My school is doing this! Auditions are Monday
Wadda talk
Wadda talk
Wadda talk
Wadda talk
Wadda talk
Where u get it?
The coolest part is that every individual person in that shot was pretending to move like they were on a train
Only recently watched this movie after seeing the Flim Flam Brothers episode of MLP. Then I watched the 2003 version. Never again. they're called EMOTIONS Matthew Broderick, use them! >.O
And when the man dances, certainly boys, what else? THE PIPER PAYS HIM!!!
first rap video? lol
To my Viking ancestors it was known as Miklagard. 🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴
Right now it's a boy and girl band less than 76 trombones and 110 trumpets
1:11 they jumped the tempo forward - it's supposed to speed up smoothly. Guess that's the problem with a movie version vs a live version. Love this scene when done well
Have fun. Play.
2:07 How did they keep a straight face? hahaha
And THAT, boys and girls, is how you open a musical.
You can also open a musical with a lone farm-woman on stage churning butter silently and a male voice singing from off-stage. They just don't write 'em like they yoosta!
Robert D. Carver oh shut up
@@free_siobhan tf
Amelia Doubleyou
I’m singing this in my school prouduction of Musicman Jr
You can also open with 3 guys arguing about horses
What I always loved about this song is how it establishes Hill as almost impossible, like a hero from an urban legend, just absolutely setting him up on a pedastal so high that surely it's impossible that he'd meet the hype. Then you actually see Hill work and realize that if anything this song *sold him short*.
Yeah it’s a great introduction, sets the tone perfectly!
Wish they had let this scene run a minute or two longer.
you said it. hill????????
Your comment is so well expressed and neatly captures a method of technique by which we are lead into the story with focus on the central figure before we meet him. Exasperation for them or particularly for the anvil salesmen, and charisma and delight for us. It's the first instance of Meredith Willson's genius and the unfolding product doesn't disappoint.
BUT he doesn’t know the territory
This song is one thing you really have to appreciate about The Music Man. With this song, every production of this show lets you know almost immediately whether or not it's going to absolutely suck.
It's a true test of everyone! The music department and the actors, roles both big and small.
This song is the very definition of, "Less is more"
I feel like this production sucked then.
I wouldnt know why. Nobody sings. Everyone is a guy - no women. The guy who really carries the picture, Robert Preston, hardly appears at all. Not sure what this tells you then.
@@cmapez everyone nailed it and the entire movie was awesome from start to finish.
👏Don't👏claim👏to👏know👏the👏territory👏unless👏you👏actually👏know👏the👏territory👏
Says any good indie wrestler.
That comes with the territory
@@jerrykitich3318 (Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug Chug) 🚂🛤(WHISTLING)
Periodt.
River city ioway
This opening shows you how much depth The Music Man had. I mean, Robert Preston just sits there through the entire song and never shows his face. Yet he dominates the movie otherwise. So clearly, the movie was a lot more than just a vehicle for Preston. It had a great ensemble cast and you really can't find any weak characters. Hollywood at its very best.
Good old Buddy Hackett!
Even Ronnie Howard was in it.
True ... but remember that Robert Preston had performed the role of Harold Hill ,,, about 700 times ... on Broadway ... and when Warner wanted some one else for the movie role (Frank Sinatra and Cary Grant were considered) ... Meredeth Willson said "Either Robert Preston gets the part ... or you don't get my movie." Interestingly though ... in the movie ... Harold Hill never did anything wrong ... and he never broke any law. He promised them instruments, uniforms, and instruction booklets ... and he delivered on that promise. He promised to form a boys band ... and he did. He did everything he said he would do ... and never broke a single law ... and yet they arrested him ... held him against his will ... and threatened to tar and feather him.
@@jimobrien3535he lied about his credentials
@@jasonkreider8954 he did lie about being from the gold medal class of aught five ... but that is not a crime
My teacher made us memorize this whole song and reenact it in my 7th grade music class. Four years later and basically everyone in my school still remembers the lyrics lmao
I'm in 7th grade and we are doing that now actually 😭
I played the role of the Music Man in the 5th or 6th grade in 1965 (I think) and remember my lines even to today and I'm 68 years old. Also remember how our music teacher and school skirted the part in which I was supposed to kiss Marion. Back then in the 60's even in NYC white and black intimacy perceived or otherwise was frowned upon. All in all it was a great lifetime experience and hopefully will see it on Broadway this year.
That's awesome!
Same shit with me
Lol, I have to as well. My music teacher is cool.
👏 Don't 👏 claim 👏 to 👏 know 👏 rap 👏 if 👏 you 👏 don't 👏 know 👏 this 👏 bop 👏
what do u mean
Whaddya talk?
Whaddya talk Whaddya talk Whaddya talk
Hammy Boi11 where d’ya get it?
puts 8 Mile to shame!
they cut off the best scene when Harold Hill leaves the train.
"Don't believe I dropped it."
@@dnasty312 Sorry, but you did. Because Harold gets off the train at the end with his suitcase showing: Prof. Harold Hill.
Could have let this run another minute.
@@williamsnyder5616 No tha--that's the line...
Hill: "Gentlemen, you intrigue me. I'm going to have to give Iowa a try."
Charlie: "Don't believe I caught your name."
Professor Harold Hill: "Don't believe I dropped it."
(As his suitcase reveals his name, he jumps off the train just as it starts going leaving behind a train car full of very angry Traveling Salesmen)
Holly shit, this thing is a masterpiece. Perfect directing, editing and acting. Great shots too. Great scene.
Great use of *Technirama* 🙌
113 PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE TERRITORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol
NOW IT'S A 119 PEOPLE!
Make that 130!
@@looneywoman all 130 dislikes are Black guys.
*Dislikers:* Look what do ya talk?
Look what do ya talk?
Look what do ya talk?
Look what do ya talk?
Wow. The world depicted in this film is over 100 years old now.
Now we can order hookers from little devises in our hands. How low this world has fallen.
@@matthew8153 this is the dumbest comment I’ve read all day, if anything prostitution was easier to engage in back then
@@matthew8153 low? sounds like the world is much improved. a guy like you can finally get laid
@@matthew8153 That's disgusting. Where?
@@jbank8447 hahahahaha