I was glad to see you show badalassi carlo leather. I'm currently in the process of making a pair of pull-on boots, very similar to engineers but without straps, and I'm using cognac badalassi carlo minerva leather. I'm doing a rough-out vamp and counter cover though
I love the boot content! So thank you for the upload.. also really like your videos on leather jackets..or leather types in general, like this : ) thanks .. also, idk how you managed to get such perfect rolls on basically every pair of boots you have.. its pretty awesome.. i wonder how much that comes down to clicking n hide quality vs how the person wearing them walks, their activities, environment, frequency of wear.., etc.. love the rolling effect.. that's why i want to avoid toe caps for a bit
Thank you! It's a combination of the clicking, the design of the boots and how the boots fit the person. I've actually seen quite a few people get much better rolls than me even!
Horse hide is more expensive because of the availability. Cow hide is less expensive because of the supply. The more expensive leather becomes coveted as a luxury item. Does horse hide perform any better? Is it more durable? Is it better than any other leather in any way?
Since most of the horsehide is obtained from Europe where folks are eating horse, it's going to be a matter of supply and demand---nowadays there are fewer folks consuming horse. Did you mention that it's harder to break in than bovine leather? (I think you did.) I have a pair of horsehide double soled shoes (from JL) and it will take 140 years before they break in (if I wore them everyday) but the skeletal-esque grain is astonishingly beautiful (and worth the stiffness). Great video. (Also, I'd warmly recommend the Mail's Black Creme Polish for the Attractions. I've the same boots and you're right that they are tea-coring through faster than others. This is superb polish, lightly applied, brush them like you're in love.)
I prefer horse for boots and jackets for the lack of creasing but mostly the placebo effect. I just feel better knowing it's horse hide even if it's not necessarily better.
Few comments/notes additions 1. I have a horsehide chromexcel adjacent pair of service boots. There is a very mild bit of the horsehide grain. 2. My Motors do indeed have a lot of creasing 3. The shinki hiking boots from Sagara are also notable. The grain is very noticeable 4. My shinki Chelseas have interesting grain. The way they are I don't think they will develop so much rolls.
To add to that, I own a pair of very lightly tumbled badalassi carlo, the striation and the patterning is absolutely beautiful. I can easily say it's the best looking boot I currently own even if it might not be my favourite pair to wear (it's my horween reverse black chamois). That said, I still own zero horsehide boots, so my opinion may change immediately upon owning one.
@@almostvintagestyle I forgot to add, my boots was sold as Badalassi Carlo's cognac ness leather but I think I'm seeing leather supplies selling it under the name of Loch Ness leather. I actually haven't seen any boots being made with it as I think it's actually a new tannage from them.
Have you considered applying pigmented shoe cream to the Attractions? I have a few boots that teacore too fast, so I use shoe cream to get it back to black and the colour change is slower and more subtle.
I have thick cowhide Wesco Boss Engineer boots. No significant creases or rolls after years of wear. None of that tea coring either. It’s a boot that commands respect.
I've seen some people recommend not to use trees in horsebutt boots to encourage rolls. Not sure about that, any thoughts Jake? Do you use trees to keep your boots in shape or do you like heavier rolls and more pronounced toe spring to develop?
I personally don't like to use shoe trees in my casual boots because I do want to encourage rolls and toe spring. However, I use shoe trees in my formal shoes
@@almostvintagestyle I ask because recently I've come across a Japanese brand of shoe tree named Briga. They claim that their design of boot tree doesn't flatten toe spring or rolls. I've got a pair on the way in the mail. Thought you might be interested in looking at them.
I Don’t own any horse hide. But I really want some. I recently received a pair of engineer boots from quan shoemaker in a black teacore steer hide. And Ive been kinda kicking myself for not paying the extra for the horse. Would’ve been 400$ more. After watching this video I feel a little better.. but I’m really curious to what your opinion is Jake? Do you think I Should’ve just paid the extra for the horse hide?
Yet to own horsehide boots, first I’ll have will likely be a horsehide chromexcel due to availability and such I mostly want a pair because of my like of horsehide I use to make belts. Good stuff
I wouldn't say overrated I would say just depends what characteristics you're looking for I personally like it more because of the rolls and the grain more than cowhide because I do not like creasing like cxl and also I really only want horsehide on engineers if it's lace up I really don't care
The tannage and quality of the leather is most important, closely followed by boot design. What animal the leather came from is down the list. At least that's my barely educated opinion.
Yep, barely educated. You're wrong, but I guess you just like the sound of your own voice...best to keep quiet if you have no idea what you're talking about.....
I think you should better define your usage of overrated. I think I've figured out that you're more or less saying "overhyped" or using a more literal sense of the word overrated. IE people overlooking drawbacks and overstating the positives and then applying that to all horsehide across the board. The "rating" that people give it is higher due to misleading factors. At least, that's how I've come to interpret your usage. Same with your sentiments on CXL. To me and many others, overrated has a very negative connotation, and I think that people tend to assume that when someone says something is overrated that it means it's bad and not worth your time. Which is obviously not what you're saying here.
That's fair, although I would just say thay I'm using the standard definition which is something that is rated or valued too highly. I think the issue is people misuse the term now. Thanks for the input!
I guess boots are something they can wear e'en if neigh copying any your other style? I find they don't care about my other style advice much, either, but I likely won't still getting any horse any time soon and can say that I likely prefer the texture the bison more than the exotics and other overall.
Well, engineers are one the few boot styles where ye has enough shaft to "show off" and worry about the texture and such. At least, you could show off the tops the logger boots more, but whom gonna spend twice as much or something on boots that they gonna thrash out in the wilderness where only their dog gonna see it, anyway?
At least that Grant Stone is a nice-colored brown boot, too, neigh like the usual reddish Chrome XL where is ok sometimes but also kinda meh. I sent back the basic pair because they just looked like Captain boots.
The problem I have with horsehide is that its hard to justify from a humaine perspective. I have no problem with regular cow leather since we eat beef and its just the biproduct of that industry.
Horses aren't killed for their leather, or their meat actually. Generally horse products come from horses that have either died in an accident, been put down after irreparable leg breaks, or just old age....
"Horsehide is overrated." Proceeds to order three more boots in horsehide. 😅
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Haha you got me!🤣 next video: am I a hypocrite?🙃
Also, I'm going to defend myself by saying that all three pairs are engineers haha. Does that get me out of jail?🤣🤣
@@milkbaby99 "do I contradict myself, very well then I contradict myself. I am large I contain multitudes"
I have yet to own any horsehide unfortunately, but all my calfskin boots are actually rolling/creasing beautifully
Yeah calf tends to half a tighter grain that older cows, so that helps!!
I was glad to see you show badalassi carlo leather. I'm currently in the process of making a pair of pull-on boots, very similar to engineers but without straps, and I'm using cognac badalassi carlo minerva leather. I'm doing a rough-out vamp and counter cover though
Great leather choice. Those should be beautiful!
Just can repeat myself . . . love to listen when you give a lecture on a special topic! 👍🏻😊
Thanks! I really appreciate that
I love the boot content! So thank you for the upload.. also really like your videos on leather jackets..or leather types in general, like this : ) thanks ..
also, idk how you managed to get such perfect rolls on basically every pair of boots you have.. its pretty awesome..
i wonder how much that comes down to clicking n hide quality vs how the person wearing them walks, their activities, environment, frequency of wear.., etc.. love the rolling effect.. that's why i want to avoid toe caps for a bit
Thank you! It's a combination of the clicking, the design of the boots and how the boots fit the person. I've actually seen quite a few people get much better rolls than me even!
Horse hide is more expensive because of the availability. Cow hide is less expensive because of the supply. The more expensive leather becomes coveted as a luxury item. Does horse hide perform any better? Is it more durable? Is it better than any other leather in any way?
Since most of the horsehide is obtained from Europe where folks are eating horse, it's going to be a matter of supply and demand---nowadays there are fewer folks consuming horse. Did you mention that it's harder to break in than bovine leather? (I think you did.) I have a pair of horsehide double soled shoes (from JL) and it will take 140 years before they break in (if I wore them everyday) but the skeletal-esque grain is astonishingly beautiful (and worth the stiffness). Great video. (Also, I'd warmly recommend the Mail's Black Creme Polish for the Attractions. I've the same boots and you're right that they are tea-coring through faster than others. This is superb polish, lightly applied, brush them like you're in love.)
Also, from Japan, where they also eat horses.
The BUCO enginear boots are the GOAT
Yeah the supply is always going to be lower than we want. Those shoes sound like absolute monsters!
Thanks for the polish rec too. I haven't heard of them
I prefer horse for boots and jackets for the lack of creasing but mostly the placebo effect. I just feel better knowing it's horse hide even if it's not necessarily better.
Yeah I do think there is a bit of placebo for me as well
Few comments/notes additions
1. I have a horsehide chromexcel adjacent pair of service boots. There is a very mild bit of the horsehide grain.
2. My Motors do indeed have a lot of creasing
3. The shinki hiking boots from Sagara are also notable. The grain is very noticeable
4. My shinki Chelseas have interesting grain. The way they are I don't think they will develop so much rolls.
Good to know. Yeah usually the more grain you get on horsehide, the more it creases instead of Rolla. Which motors do you have?
@@almostvintagestyle same as you. Black engineers
To add to that, I own a pair of very lightly tumbled badalassi carlo, the striation and the patterning is absolutely beautiful. I can easily say it's the best looking boot I currently own even if it might not be my favourite pair to wear (it's my horween reverse black chamois). That said, I still own zero horsehide boots, so my opinion may change immediately upon owning one.
Yeah badalassi is so beautiful. And yeah I'm sure my opinions will continue to change at least a bit as I own more boots
@@almostvintagestyle I forgot to add, my boots was sold as Badalassi Carlo's cognac ness leather but I think I'm seeing leather supplies selling it under the name of Loch Ness leather. I actually haven't seen any boots being made with it as I think it's actually a new tannage from them.
Have you considered applying pigmented shoe cream to the Attractions? I have a few boots that teacore too fast, so I use shoe cream to get it back to black and the colour change is slower and more subtle.
I have thought about it and I have the shoe polish to do it.
There's a big difference between horsehide vs horsebutt/horserump. Hide can crease ugly like CXL, butt/rump will roll
Yes thats very true. I should talk about that more specifically
they got more rolls than a bakery shop...
I do love engineers with rolls
I have thick cowhide Wesco Boss Engineer boots. No significant creases or rolls after years of wear. None of that tea coring either. It’s a boot that commands respect.
Heavy duty boots
My answer to your question is a resounding YES.
And not just for boots.
Yeah I have a video on this same subject for jackets coming soon actually!
I've seen some people recommend not to use trees in horsebutt boots to encourage rolls. Not sure about that, any thoughts Jake? Do you use trees to keep your boots in shape or do you like heavier rolls and more pronounced toe spring to develop?
I personally don't like to use shoe trees in my casual boots because I do want to encourage rolls and toe spring. However, I use shoe trees in my formal shoes
@@almostvintagestyle I ask because recently I've come across a Japanese brand of shoe tree named Briga. They claim that their design of boot tree doesn't flatten toe spring or rolls. I've got a pair on the way in the mail. Thought you might be interested in looking at them.
I Don’t own any horse hide. But I really want some. I recently received a pair of engineer boots from quan shoemaker in a black teacore steer hide. And Ive been kinda kicking myself for not paying the extra for the horse. Would’ve been 400$ more. After watching this video I feel a little better.. but I’m really curious to what your opinion is Jake?
Do you think I Should’ve just paid the extra for the horse hide?
$400 is a heck of a lot more. It's definitely not necessary. The quality of the boots comes first imo
@@almostvintagestyle
Thank you very much. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer. 🙏🏼
Yet to own horsehide boots, first I’ll have will likely be a horsehide chromexcel due to availability and such
I mostly want a pair because of my like of horsehide I use to make belts. Good stuff
Yeah if you have experience with it for other items that makes a lot of sense
dont your boots get moulds? how do you treat them?
I wouldn't say overrated I would say just depends what characteristics you're looking for I personally like it more because of the rolls and the grain more than cowhide because I do not like creasing like cxl and also I really only want horsehide on engineers if it's lace up I really don't care
Yes I agree. I'm just saying overrated because so many people talk about it as if it's objectively the best leather
@@almostvintagestyle that's the silly Part because it's all subjective the only thing they can say is it's the best for me
Any options on the Skoob Wander engineer?
The tannage and quality of the leather is most important, closely followed by boot design. What animal the leather came from is down the list. At least that's my barely educated opinion.
Yep, barely educated. You're wrong, but I guess you just like the sound of your own voice...best to keep quiet if you have no idea what you're talking about.....
Yes thats a good point. Obviously leather quality overall comes first before the type of hide
Would you happen to know which horsehide does the flat head use? I just got mine in Harajuku a few weeks ago and I'm curious!
It depends what specific product? I might know.
@@almostvintagestyle their black 8 in engineer boots (fn-fb-001)
Their 8 in black engineers @almostvintagestyle
They use vegetable tanned codovan. I believe they are from a Japanese Tannery, leave a comment if I forget to tell you where
@@sangwonpark8967 thank you sang
I think you should better define your usage of overrated. I think I've figured out that you're more or less saying "overhyped" or using a more literal sense of the word overrated. IE people overlooking drawbacks and overstating the positives and then applying that to all horsehide across the board. The "rating" that people give it is higher due to misleading factors. At least, that's how I've come to interpret your usage. Same with your sentiments on CXL.
To me and many others, overrated has a very negative connotation, and I think that people tend to assume that when someone says something is overrated that it means it's bad and not worth your time. Which is obviously not what you're saying here.
That's fair, although I would just say thay I'm using the standard definition which is something that is rated or valued too highly. I think the issue is people misuse the term now. Thanks for the input!
I guess boots are something they can wear e'en if neigh copying any your other style? I find they don't care about my other style advice much, either, but I likely won't still getting any horse any time soon and can say that I likely prefer the texture the bison more than the exotics and other overall.
If horse cost less; might be more popular somebody likely already said, but I guess Thirsty tryna break in that market now, too???
Well, engineers are one the few boot styles where ye has enough shaft to "show off" and worry about the texture and such. At least, you could show off the tops the logger boots more, but whom gonna spend twice as much or something on boots that they gonna thrash out in the wilderness where only their dog gonna see it, anyway?
Many "cowboy" boots were likely horsehide at one point? Whate'er was lying around?
At least that Grant Stone is a nice-colored brown boot, too, neigh like the usual reddish Chrome XL where is ok sometimes but also kinda meh. I sent back the basic pair because they just looked like Captain boots.
Tecovas has some goat skin boots, but I guess I won't know what they're like until sometime next wk.
The problem I have with horsehide is that its hard to justify from a humaine perspective. I have no problem with regular cow leather since we eat beef and its just the biproduct of that industry.
There are plenty of cultures that eat horse, like France
Horses aren't killed for their leather, or their meat actually.
Generally horse products come from horses that have either died in an accident, been put down after irreparable leg breaks, or just old age....
Horsehide is also a byproduct of the meat industry as others stated. It's as humane as cowhide
Before I started watching you and a few others, I never knew or cared about creases or rolls. It’s an interesting subject and now Im worried.
It's not something you have to worry about of course if you don't want to