Konstantin Kisin & Neil deGrasse Tyson CLASH Over Trans Debate
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- 💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥 Konstantin Kisin questions Neil deGrasse Tyson about his views of gender on a spectrum. They discuss societal constructs of gender, female-only spaces and debate the future of sports and how to resolve the issue of trans athletes.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is an American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. Tyson studied at Harvard University, the University of Texas at Austin, and Columbia University and was a postdoctoral research associate at Princeton University. Since 1996 he has been the director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space in New York City. He is the host of the podcast StarTalk and in 2014 hosted the popular television series Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey. He is the author of many books, the latest of which is 'Starry Messenger: Cosmic Perspectives on Civilization', available here: www.amazon.com/dp/B09Q7Y4GL5/
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I think it's really interesting how both of you are trying to step beyond your own bias and actually listen to one another... but then it turns out to be a real struggle because you both so much want the other person to see your point.
I agree with both of you.
As it stands, the almost mythical status of trans individuals is making it nearly impossible to criticise their place in society, so there I agree with you.
And I agree with Neil that it is now upon us all to solve these problems moving forward, by leveling the playing field altogether.
Maybe in fifty years we will look back at this and think it's all just as silly as the boys and girls entrance to the school. New solutions will be found.
Thank you for bringing light to this topic and speaking to people with very different views about it.
Neil Tyson is so full of it. Bought and paid by the establishment.
@@hannekezijlmans6578 we did even the playing field when we made women only spaces/sports/shortlists that’s how women got opportunities, it’s men that want to be women that are pushing into these areas causing the problem. Trans women are not the same as women. Pretending so only hurts real women. Have a trans category and let’s see how many trans athletes sign up shall we? If you transition to another sex you are a trans person in a separate class from man and woman if there are actually so many of them it won’t be a waste of time and money to accommodate them in their own spaces/sport/shortlists. That won’t happen because the trans movement has been hijacked by fetishists and perverts and if they can’t spy on or intimidate women then what’s the point.
Is N.D.Tyson a real scientist?...his sense of reason is flawed to F.
I think I can manage without that, thanks all the same.
He’s a man of science right up until science conflicts with his political ideology.
I wonder if he genuinely believes all of this or just desperately wants to avoid getting cancelled so he’s going with the party line
No ideology, just an opportunist who sees which way the wind is blowing.
@@meglukes What exactly do you disagree about with him?
Some days he's only 80% a man of science. Other days he's 80% a women of science 😅
Conflicts with his master’s voice. He’s a slave
A supposed scientist asking “why do you care” is like a doctor asking “why do you want to be healthy”. His ignorance is matched by his arrogance.
The question made me think: "why does any transperson care? Nobody I know gives a damn!" They seem to want attention. Not recognition.
Deepak chopra of science
@@lordgizmor1376 Because the personal is political, being trans isn't just about their junk, or lack thereof, but the ability to force others to accept their worldview as well. It all comes back to Marx and Gramsci eventually, it does with practically every leftist ideology. They just change the names every so often to hide it.
Why does Neil care?
Shouldn't he be shrugging his shoulders going "i dunno, i have no opinion" if he wants to make a "why do you care" argument?
i had an ongoing "debate" with a couple of these parrots who kept coming back to "why do you care" after their accusations of phobia and bigotry did not achieve the desired and expected withering away and dying. i asked chat gp t if that was a reasonable argument - "In a debate, "Why do you care?" is generally not considered a reasonable argument on its own. This response may be perceived as dismissive or evasive rather than addressing the actual points or issues raised during the debate. Debates are meant to be an exchange of ideas and arguments, and simply asking why someone cares does not contribute to the substance of the discussion."
The main problem with Neil Degrasse Tyson's position is not the practical implications of branding a XY chromosome person a female. His solutions to the problems posed by the interviewer are not connected to reality, but the real issue with his position is that you cannot insist on evolution or the big bang as settled scientific theory (while branding anyone who rejects these theories as uneducated) and at the same time insist on an alternative definition of gender than is not based on hard science. People are entitled to feel whatever they want. But a scientific answer is a scientific answer and you cannot swiftly move from a position of "deal with the facts!" to a position of "what do you care what the facts are?!" depending on the subject you are discussing.
And to answer his "what do you care?!" famous line: I do care because I care about the truth. And a scientist should be concerned with distinguishing between a true and a false statement.
WOW, REALLY??? I HAD NO IDEA 😂😂😂...the fact that you have to explain 1+1=2, that is literally where we are as a society...even where people like Neil who supposedly stand for the "facts" say shit like this...then THEY are the ones who still say "look at the facts" 😂😂😂
"i FEEL that he should not call himself a scientist anymore", i wonder how he'd react.
I'm sure he would be completely fine with your stupid opinion.
Just ask De Grasse how his wife would feel if a trans male would be next to her in the change room and the showers after the sweaty work out in the gym?
How would his teenage daughter feel having a teenage trans boy/girl in her change room?
Tyson's argument about male-female percentage according to how you woke up is downright ridiculous.
He takes it in the ass in the morning.
No he is 100% right I know your primitive neanderthal brain has your feelings hurt but that's ok because no one gaf 🤣🤣 but he is right by the way. It's biology until you earn your PhD you could debate Neil. Until then STFU B
Yes. What could be clearer proof? He's aligning himself with cultists. He and they make a mockery of liberalism.
Who is he really? I would guess an actor playing a scientist, at least during this discussion.
@@user-uv8sy2gd4s Just curious, do you see my c'ment of 12 min. before yours?
I find his argument unconvincing. I find his emotional reaction concerning.
He has always been a fraud
He hasn't always been a fraud. He just happens to be egregiously wrong in this conversation.
Not everyone that has a perspective you disagree with is an idiot. They're either influenced or have a temperament geared towards that perspective. In this case Tyson is influenced by probably a myriad of things
My attitude is exactly as @NotZelda1. It's concerning because Tyson seems to be towing a line that may have severe social consequences
Right
He is just another “hustler” doing his thing, Alexis De Tocqueville journaled this very accurately. In addition, he is just another “idiot” in a planet overflowing with the hard of thinking….
he's a human beings and i'm sure the emotional reaction is frustration at the possible range of solutions to these cultural changes - rather than wanting to go backwards.
“Here are some examples of the physiological differences between biological men and women”
“I wrestled in high school!” - Neil
actually he said he was the captain of his wrestling team .. just to put weight on his empty arguments
NDT was taking some swings at Kisin but they weren't hitting at all and it was clearly frustrating him more and more. Kisin was coming across very measured, deliberate, and passionate but refrained from letting his emotions dictate his behavior. NDT was, at times, coming across as condescending and disrespect and it only got worse after he was failing to make good points instead making better straw men. Good vid.
The fact this is even being debated seriously is terrifying
No kidding, It's so crazy that I'm starting to question my own reality.. like either I've gone mad and this is all a weird delusion I'm having or like the 60% of the world has gone nuts.
He has always been an actor
@@garethdelux9266I'm with you. It feels like many of us are trying to hold our minds together as we witness the majority of the world (the western world, at least) collectively lose theirs. It makes me very sad, and VERY concerned. Something is truly, deeply wrong- and I don't know how we can possibly get over this.
@@garethdelux9266 Feel helpless and ineffectual? Here is some clarification...
“If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.”
Frank Herbert
Get it yet?
Yep 100%
Since he turned the debate to racism, a good follow-up question could have been, "so can a person identify as a different race"
Or can we identify as other species?
NO the CONSENSUS in the MEDIA isn't that someone can change his race, so I don't believe that!
His head would've exploded
people have and do identify as a different race.
Ye exactly because if gender can be based on how I present myself. If a man wants to wear makeup and make his jaw look smaller and eyes look more feminine. And be a woman. Why can't someone apply dark tan and makeup to darken or lighten their skin to present as a different race, if they FEEL they identify with another culture more and want to be Asian for example... like plenty white people love Asian culture say. And may dress in the way the trends are popular over there and act a certain way. Like cutesy shy personality and wacky clothes or whatever... they aren't claiming to be Asian they just like that vibe and fashion. Dress however you wanna dress. Look however you wanna look, makeup, surgery, whatever. Don't claim to be something you are not. The social contagion has gone wild.
The question is not why do you care what I identify as. The correct question is why do you care if I believe you. You're requiring people to believe that you are what you claim to be.
I think it's more a case of respecting what other people call themselves. If someone tells you how to pronounce their name, but it's pronounced differently in your culture and you refuse to pronounce it their way, that's kinda dickish and is disrespectful. And if you constantly berate them for pronouncing it differently online and villify them for it, then that's kinda dickish. I don't think trans people care if you believe that they are a woman/ man in the same way that they do, they just want to be treated with the same respect you should treat anybody else with. Sadly the reality is that they are a minority and stand out and people are too smooth-brained to accept that not everybody fits into their idea of how the world works. We are affronted by different types of people now that social media has developed, and it's giving some a false impression that there is some sort of new gender fluid cult or leftist movement... When in reality these people always existed, they just weren't such a hot topic of debate because ultimately they represent a very very tiny proportion of the population.
@LiamDaLemon I do treat trans-identifying people exactly as I treat everyone else, which is to say, I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Indeed, everything has already been invented.
Call yourself whatever you want - and make it part of your name.
This is the very place where a person can put everything that he invents about himself.
And, obviously, you shouldn't have sporting events separated by names.
Exactly right. Thats why I have such a strong issue with this. If "Why do you care" was a valid argument it would have to go both ways.
NDT is a windbag, and becomes flustered so easily.
Masterclass on how to discredit yourself as a scientist.
by not being a feminist who wants quotas?
Or, how to gain influencer allies by threatening them with MeToo.
@@maintaint3003 Konstantin was clearly trying to get woke feminist brownie points by supporting gender based selection of politcians
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 lol why do you care?
@@maintaint3003 normal people with principles care about the best man getting the job instead of the one with the right skin color and genitals
Neil demands no interruptions but demands the ability to interrupt others.
They are asking him a question and not letting him answer.
@@yew2oob954 and he did the same was the point he was making
He's prolific Black-Science-Guy. He's above us.
hes not used to people actually debating him
He's an intellectual bully.. Always had been.
De Grasse Tyson's bullying conversational style is so transparent. The main goal is to the let the clock run out before the discussion ripens into meaning by dominating the rhetoric, like a high school debate. Here's how to suppress a layered exchange, from DGT's playbook: 1) make sure you're louder than the other guy 2) try to intellectually shame them for not having enough support for their view by saying "oh, you only have 2 examples" despite having NO examples elucidating his "emergent behavior" hypothesis 3) remind them not to talk over you --in the form of a compliment-- even though you repeatedly interrupt them and hog the stage 4) bring up a lengthy personal anecdote that adds no depth 5) remind them that you know more than they possibly could about being discriminated against (water fountains!) intended to shame them into silence. He's never going to have a remotely scientific response to the T- issue because he never allows the conversation to become Real Collaboration. It's all about him winning. And...he doesn't wanna get canceled.
Perfectly defined
Agree, he was a wrestler and it's fascinating to note how he uses the same tactics a wrestler would use against an opponent in his rhetoric.
This is great comment you about the bullying style. Just ask De Grasse how his wife would feel if a trans male would be next to her in the change room and the showers after the sweaty work out in the gym?
How would his teenage daughter feel having a teenage trans boy/girl in her change room?
When I get cramps from my period, I feel like being a man. But I can’t 😅
Just ask De Grasse how his wife would feel if a trans male would be next to her in the change room and the showers after the sweaty work out in the gym?
How would his teenage daughter feel having a teenage trans boy/girl in her change room?
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.". Props to the 2 hosts for letting Neil Tyson kill his own credibility.
Tyson twists his brain in knots to defend trans ideology, at the expense of his good reputation.
Neil completely schooled them lol. I've never seen people so speechless in my life.
Indeed
@@jordach545never have I ever heard someone supposedly schooling somebody, with baseless suppositions. This was NDG schooling himself and making himself into a fool, same as the tailors made the emperors new clothes, school the emperor by his own hubris.
A literal buffoon. Neil, supposed man of science, trying to socially rearrange the natural world
As an astrophysicist, I apologise and am extremely embarrassed on his behalf.
You got to where you are because of merit, not racial diversity quotas
He's reached Bill Nye the Science Guy levels of idiocy.
I like it, whereas normally I'd just have to listen to this annoying blowhard lecture everyone on cosmology and the composition of celestial bodies, now I know that I can walk intellectual circles around the guy regarding basic biology and its relevance in society.
I'll bet I can beat you at arm wrestling too.
That’s considerate, and if it’s a joke, it is funny. The key thing to remember is that being an expert in a field it does not mean that one is naturally right. Because someone is well educated does not mean that they are knowledgeable on the subject. The truth is, Tyson’s arguments, about many things, are suspect. It’s the quality of the argument, not the merit or résumé of a person. Good luck with your astrophysicist endeavors.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 He is making it hard for you to practice your hate, I get it.
the earth is a star and the sun is a moon
Reading these comments and realizing how many people didn’t hear what they wanted to 😂😂
And also realizing how quick they are to jump to personal attacks once they do not agree with a particular viewpoint.
From scientist to activist. What an astonishing fall he's taken.
Sorry, but he was always like this
Makes you wonder what other positions in science he's been schilling for. In areas where the common person doesn't know all the facts, Tyson has wide latitude to spin his "facts."@@rebchizelbeak5392
It needs Gad Saad to call him out!
He has always been an actor
Was he ever a real scientist?
A comedian educating a scientist ...what strange times we live in...
"Scientist."
More like "Woke Scientologist"
He hasn't been a "scientist" since grad school. His day job is running a planetarium and has been for almost 30 years.
he is educating neil on how to be a femiinist who defends gender quotas in parliments?
Neil is educting him on how to be a libertarian.
I suspect he is role playing “scientist”, as he demonstrates no actual scientific knowledge or principles….
Neil De Grassy does not Understand Genetics and Biology ! He is Wrong ! Gender is not Fluid ! Sexual Orientations are ! Two Deferent thigs !
It’s amazing that for thousands of years ancient teaching have always been about 2 genders and in the last decade we have thrown out all of this for gender fluidity!
Plus you could cause over 99% to have break downs and even harm themselves if they are forced to accept lies, biology and truth, and especially common sense matter.
Funny how in this there’s no actual discussion of scale. In society there are always outliers
It's amazing that a guy who is trained in science and logic could become wrapped up in this insane ideology
Gender ideology is utter nonsense.
maybe that training wasn't so good?
What are his qualifications? The man owned a shop and studied pluto. Does that make him a qualified scientist?
He’s bought by the matrix
His pocket are wrapped up with the ideology.
This is what happens when a physicist starts acting like he's an expert on social problems
Completely true. I'm a physicist, and I have had no training on gender issues. He's not speaking as a physicist, but (as I see it) a buffoon with an ideology who is terrified of being cancelled. I'm done with NDT.
Yeah, can you imagine if the opposite happened😂
I don't remember anything Stephen Hawking invented but I can tell you all about a Doomsday clock that moves backwards in time he did the mental gymnastics on.
Honestly I’d question anything he speaks on, even physics. The lack of logic, critical thinking he’s displayed should ensure this guy isn’t taken seriously in anything.
@adityajoshi6422
YUP
if you group athletes depending on their hormones, bone density, muscle mass, lung density, etc. you'd end up having a male sport and a female sport just the way it already is. do you really think that a woman who has the same testosterone level as a male in sport wont be at a disadvantage when competing against another male athlete? how is this guy consider to be a "smart" person?
It’s way more complicated than this, what do you think they should do about castor semenya? And also what is your solution then, just banning all trans athletes from competing in sports?
@@vidalgutierrez1736 name one physical sport where a transman (former woman) compete against male atlethes and won by a huge margin. Also I did not say ban all trans athletes, give them their own category and let them compete against each other for all I care. Transman going against transwoman, and lets see how well that turns out, I bet you'd see majority of the transwoman smashing the transmen when it comes to physical sports.
@@jakarudo okay what about intersex people that never made a transition? That’s why I asked about castor. Also, for the sake of competition I also think with wrestling we could mix trans athletes with regular athletes and do a weight advantage/disadvantages.
@@vidalgutierrez1736 what about Castor? there's always going to be an outlier. In Castor's case, she has both male and female genitalia meaning she has higher testosterone level than a normal female would. I don't see anything wrong about that. you people like to use outliers or intersex people to support your argument all the time. You do realize that majority of transwoman joining female sport and smashing female records are not intersex like Caster Semenya. on your comment about wrestling, you won't see a female 125lbs go against a male 125lbs and win, not saying its impossible but its highly unlikely. Same reason as to why you see transwoman joining female MMA but you wont see transman joining male MMA, they'd get smoked.
@@vidalgutierrez1736 There are always gonan be outliers. In Castro's case she was born with both male and female genitalia, which makes her have higher testosterone levels than normal women. I don't have anything against that, it is what it is. You people always like to use the outliers for example, intersex people to support your argument, most transwoman who join women sport and smash records are not intersex. stop using intersex people to support your argument. And when it comes to wrestling, putting a 125lbs woman up against a 125lbs man is just stupid the man would win almost 100% of the time. not saying its impossible for a woman to win, but it would be highly unlikely, that's why you see all these transwoman joining female MMA category smashing skulls breaking bones. yet you don't see that shit in male MMA category or in any male physical sports, you don't see a bunch of transman competing against real men.
For such a well known science communicator, you would think NDT would be better a staying calm in tense conversations.
Neil: "Today I feel 80% female"
Me "I feel 100% sure Neil is mad"
What does it even mean to feel female or feel male?
He’s _big_ mad
“And in more ways than one”
@@glumberty1 _"What does it even mean to feel female or feel male?"_
That has been the question I've been asking for a while because I do not think ANYONE knows that.
First off that has to assume that e.g. every female or male has to feel exactly the same way and I think I've interacted enough with both that it seems BOTH sexes has countless ways to feel things and it boils down to individual level. I do not e.g. think that some stoic quiet guy who likes to build things with his hands and spends time alone feels same way as some bubbly social guy who is in his element when surrounded by people. Simply because totally different personality types. I have ZERO idea what e.g. my same sex co-workers exactly "feels" inside them. I think we all have different thought and feelings patterns based on our personalities and personal experiences. E.g. does a person who lost their parents at early age feel same as someone who didn't? Because I do not think they do. Let alone that some random woman knew what some random male feels or vice versa.
So how can someone like Tyson then tell that someone can feel like fe/male feels? Which male? Which female? YOu can pick 10 random females or males and they all can give very different answers what it feels to be you based on their personalities and experiences.
It's funny how he (Tyson the scientologist) criticizes people who supposedly categorize others by their style and then uses style to define male and female types...It's not Konstantin Kisin who is using looks to categorize people. He uses genes, chromosomes, biology. It's Neil Tyson who is saying you are a man or a woman if you dress and paint yourself as one...At the same time criticizing "the social construct" that categorizes people's gender by their looks...The irony couldn't be bigger.
@@geraldrada Yes, the irony is delicious, but wait there's still more. I'd like to say "no one expected the spanish inquisition" but i'd be geographically and chronologically out of place. Instead, "Intersectionality", "Intersectionality", "Intersectionality" and like beetlejuice the inconsistencies, crazy and irrational elements to woke ideology become apparent. Gay men fought hard to have homosexuality recognised as an immutable characteristic, that is homosexuals were born not made. That is now at odds with the current woke dogma of everything being a social construct.
For many years the church pushed gay conversion therapy onto gay men as a solution or cure for homosexuality. Since God didn't make mistakes, homosexuality, apart from being a sin, must also be a social construct and thus changeable or reversible. Good to see the church and woke ideology agreeing on something.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is the single most arrogant person I've ever seen embraced by the media. Carl Sagan built bridges, Tyson just lectures and talks down to people.
Tyson'??......He's a bully, and a 'Establishment' man!........Previous exposure has shown that.
It's not that arrogant to expect every sport to completely change so men and womens physical and mental differences don't matter. All we need to do is capture a leprechaun and wish it. Easy peasy
@@tomround8271 Don't be absurd.
A genie would be perfectly acceptable.
Carl Sagan didnt have to deal with todays right-wing populism and extremism, did he. People were sensible back in Carl Sagans time. And they were careful not to say stupid stuff because that would be embarrassing. People arent like that anymore. Its about "owning", "winning", and "embarrassing" people that are smarter than you now. Its a different culture. The age of the clickbait.
how about Michael Eric Dyson? he does not even have science to lean on. just his own ego.
He seems to never have heard of female wrestlers..... and how hard we had to work to get our own league
I always had some respect for Tyson, now I see him for who he really is; someone devoid of integrity.
Thank you for posting your reply as I am the same way. I used to have respect for him.
Neil is a prime ecample of this Richard P. Feynman quote:"never confuse education with intelligence, you can have a PhD and still be an idiot".
Pauvre garçon🙄
this
What didn't you understand about what Tyson said?
@@monotech20.14His whole section about how to divide sports in different categories than sex was pure crazytalk.
@@Nordnerd1🍻 no kidding. How much compartmentalizing can sports be? Heart volume, lung volume, limb length, growing up in a two-parent household vers one-parent household, bone density divisions? What a clown.
A prime example of how anyone regardless of background is subject to ideological possession.
“Ideological possession “ good one !
“Moral extortion” that’s another one I like 👍
I might not agree with him but I thought he put forward a very logical and rational argument. What did he say that wasn't true??
Nah, he's jus a shill.
It's more about coercion than possession. He makes a lot of money speaking on campuses. He's looses all that if he doesn't comply to the narrative.
Demonic influence
2:20 yeah hold on you’re free to express yourself in any way you want but your self-expression doesn’t make you any specific gender!
""Solvable problem"" lol there was no problem untill a few people started making them.
he is not defending his ideas, he is trying to defend his position in the media
That is one of the most concise and cutting comments I have ever seen on RUclips.
Bingo. He's a sellout
When you ignore the science that you have built your whole career on you have been indoctrinated.
Ideology is the complete opposite to actual definitive science.
The man is a fool
yep, he will change his tune as soon as the wind blows the other way
Can I get an amen from the choir
Neil deGrasse Tyson is an excellent example of what we call an "educated fool".
with money on my mind, got my ten in my hand and a gleam in my eye. I'm a loc'ed out gansta, set trippin' banger and my homies is down so don't arouse my anger, FOO!
Oh god these liberal elites are so tiresome
Hes right up thier with Sam Harris at this point.
You might disagree with him and in terms of trans women competing in sports I do as well, but he’s definitely not a fool. He has thought out positions that require thought out responses.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lp He has a scripted narrative to follow to keep him in the good graces of the Hollywood weirdos.
Tyson says we can assume your next example is trivial 2 minutes after he rhetorically asks why gender expression should be suppressed by the 5 people who want that
Me:
How does the sun work?
Neil deGrasse Tyson:
why do you care?
umm no because the sun isnt a complex creature with thoughts and feelings? Existence is absurd why do you care if someone born with a penis wants to cut it off?? How insecure do you have to be to care about something that will never affect you ever?
Imagine being as smart as Neil thinks he is.
Ha ha!
It’s quite tiresome, because you have to deal with morons all the time
@@bobsmith5185imagine think NDT is smart and not a shill. Imagine thinking disagreeing with him makes a person a moron.
@@bobsmith5185Remember, if everyone's a moron, it may be you who is the moron.
@@RobotacularRoBob NDT is a delusional, condescending, woke shill. I never said otherwise. Try rereading what I wrote, then maybe you’ll realize how you’ve proven my point.
When the comedian talks facts and the scientist pushes propaganda you know that we have truly hit rock bottom
Truth!
I've lost all faith in my celeb scientists. Neil is woke AF, The late S.Hawking was an Epstein fan. late Carl Sagan on the climate crisis... I used to love these dudes
Comedians has always spoken the truth. They just convey it in a way to make fun of the reality.
Seinfeld only speak of what he sees and understand. Nothing more or less. Ever.
George Carlin is probably the biggest legend of speaking the truth on a level above most people, but still make everyone understand his point with comedian perspective he delivers this.
Someone highlight this comment!
Believe me, there are also comedians who push propaganda and scientists talk facts.
And no-one is smart enough to break down this issue into its actual fundamentals:
The only real objective and reason for any of this to begin with is: some criminal peeping tom and flasher men want to gain access to women's locker rooms to commit the crimes of peeping on those women and indecent exposure of themselves to those women for their sexual gratification. Well, maybe for some of them the objective is purely the criminal financial benefit they gain from cheating in sports.
In essence "As an astrophysicist I study the poles and (black) holes, so take me seriously"
You can sense he is scared of saying wrong thing, in fear of being cancelled. Way out his depth on this one
I have lost so much respect for Neil Degrasse Tyson over the years. He only seems intelligent to anyone who is incapable to think critically
I'm sure he's intelligent when he's talking about things he actually knows a great deal about, instead of this gender gibberish.
No, I'm pretty sure he 100% knows what he is saying is bullshit.
IF HE STAYS IN HIS LANE
he is brilliant
but his lane is narrow
and he pretends hes on an 8 lane freeway
@@AcidifiedMammoth When bullshit is baptised with wokery it becomes the pearl of great price.
@@ripvanwinkle2002 ...with no lane discipline!
Neil is a pure example of how politics over rules science
absolutely
And politics is over ruled by big money.
nobody was talking about science in this video. thi is equity vs equaity
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 Biology is science, lol
It is deeply sad to see such a great scientist and science popularizer being so indoctrinated by the woke movement that he can only shit out of his ass.
Six trans men walk into a bar and go to the bathroom. I walk in a see three locked cubicles and three trans men waiting to use the cubicles 😅
"Boys wear muscle shirts, girls wear lipstick" -Neil deBlowhard Tyson
I’ve got a friend like this, a scientist, who speaks to everyone as if they are too stupid to understand. What he and Tyson lack is common sense and the ability to be challenged without getting angry
I agree zero common sense.
Smugness goes before a fall
Yeah, as someone who is a military history freak, it blows my mind how ignorant he is when he talks about warfare or geopolitics. I have to skip through most of what he says because he beats his points to death thinking that “if only the plebes understood…” We understand, you’re just a dipshit.
It's the way he keeps interrupting and talking over Konstantin. It's obvious he's hoping he can distract from the point being made, or derail to such an extent that he won't have to actually answer the question being asked.
When he is asked a simple question, he witters on providing extraneous, irrelevant details, as if trying to run out the clock. "When I was a kid I did wrestling" , "years ago in kindergarten they made boys and girls use different entrances" blah blah blah ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!
A platform in which people are allowed to disagree and make their point to each other broadens perspective. I had an idiot friend who debates people the exact same way, don't talk to him anymore because it turns into an ego fest.
Gotta give Triggernometry credit, they don’t just talk to people that makes sense.
Lol, they must need to hit the pub after talking to these types...
12:10 Kisin calls NDT out on his red herring non-answer, to which NDT reverts seconds after being called-out on it. Very politician-like of NDT to respond not to the question asked but to a question he wishes he was asked.
He said... 'suppose i feel 20% female', unironically.
Neil is utterly unhinged. My respect for him has just transitioned to disrespect, contempt and pity.
I always had mixed feelings about Neil. The guy is clearly a brilliant science communicator. He has an amazing ability to convey complex ideas in science in a way the ordinary person can understand and be engaged. He is also a loudmouth with a giant ego. He can't help but talk over other people which is a character flaw I find highly irritating.
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You're right. Neil is smart but has a big mouth at the same time.@@wondrousmindtrick8450
Yep. NGT's intellectual mediocrity never ceases to amaze me.
NGT is conflating gender and biological sex when these are two very different things. There are some rare chromosomal anomalies, but for the most part (99.995%), biological sex is binary: male XY and female XX. Changing external genitalia via surgery doesn't change this. A female's fertility cycle, physiology and biochemistry is very complex. Yes, gender is more fluid, and yes that's many associations many of which are cultural. But still gender and biological sex are two very different things.
If I’m honest, I never cared for him. I thought he was a decent science communicator who bought into his own hype. And now he’s still buying into his own hype AND he’s bought into this ideology as well. It’s compounded his own sense of self righteousness.
I respect Konstantin so much for being able to stay calm and listen to NDT babble on like this!
They are brave to have him on in the first place. He loves to hear himself talk and never shuts up.
They are intellectually superior to him and by staying quiet, sitting back and letting him rant on he exposes his arrogance and belligerent manner, and spurious ideology. It's cringeworthy to watch him self-destruct.
He was still too nice to him.
After Sam Harris, NdGT is easy.
And they deserve sainthood for being patient with both of them.
@@markc6411 He's an Englishman now.
I am starting to believe that the 🌎 is flat after watching this 😂.
"We've all but solved the privacy problem" - Yes there in Manhattan where you're saying that every bathroom is gender neutral (which I find hard to believe). So the expectation is that every bathroom throughout the entire US gets changed for 0.5% of the population. That's a "needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many" sort of scenario.
It's so sad to see a formerly intelligent man like this making a fool of himself stumbling through nonsensical points just to try to justify the brainwashing that he's fallen under.
I dont think hes brainwashed tbh, i think hes just towing the line because he thinks he will get cancelled if he doesnt. It shows from his absolute inability to make real or any kind of convincing argument, its like hes just saying things he knows are going to instantly be refuted, but hes doing it anyway just so he has said it so he doesnt get cancelled.
He was never intelligent, it was always an act.
he's not brainwashed, he's been bought. Push the narrative and receive speaking jobs at conventions, news interviews, etc. He's gets paid a lot of money to push things he knows aren't true. A fools salary is very high these days.
It might be that he lives and works in academia and the media and hence he gets soaked in the trans ideology.
Was he ever intelligent or was he a manufactured product? All those popular science programs, who wrote the words he spoke? Was he just a figure head with the right....um...physical characteristics desired by the puppet masters?
“This conversation will look completely ridiculous “. Sure does Neil. You sure do.
Who would have thought that someone born in 1958 could have so much more up to date views than someone born in 1982?
I can remember as a young adolescent being very self conscious about using toilets when I had my period (menstruating). At times things would get messy for those with heavy periods. A girls only space could be a supportive environment for those going through similar experiences. I remember girls calling out when they didn’t have what they needed.
I am now a teacher in a high school with unisex toilet cubicles, in a country where tampons are supplied to students.
I have seen young male students scatter tampons over the school yard for fun.
Boys toilets traditionally at high school stink. Hence I have health concerns for girls sharing toilets with boys. I could be prejudiced. I would be interested in the opinion of a health professionals
Teenagers can behave very differently at school compared to home. Ask any substitute teacher.
I'm so sick of people who want to pretend that the bathroom issue isn't important. Years ago,before all this controversy,I had a female friend who was raped in a gender neutral bathroom. To hear a scientist talk this way is very disturbing. I'll never again be able to take anything that man says seriously. He is so afraid of being cancelled What a coward!
He has always been an actor
Yeah, similar to Howard stern. He was probably told to fall in line or else they will come after him.
He's not scared of being cancelled, he's legitimately brainwashed by the agenda.
"Solution is simple. Fix the underlying problem behind rape" --Tyson
its horrible that horror was visited upon your friend but the gender neutraul bathroom was not the key component in that crime. incidentally i dont agree with NDT on this subject. my point is Evil people will do Evil things regardless of which Gender they wish to Identify with.
You can tell Neil never thinks he's wrong. He always thinks is he has the answer to everything and can't ever be wrong. Very telling.
That's a psychopathic trait.
That’s why when he can’t win an argument he turns to insults - like saying that the interviewer is being rude in interrupting, and then making a big deal about it. 😏. He always needs to be on top.
Everything he has ever said is wrong. There isn't a single true statement he has ever made, about anything. Not even physics.
Yes, it is so obvious and frustrating. He acted like that the whole interview
So then a 160 pound male boxer can be matched against a 160 pound female boxer? In 99% of cases, I have a pretty good idea who's going to win by KO...
So he want women in say Harlem going into the same bathroom as grown as men and we think women won’t suffer bc of this?
Thanks for exposing this guy’s wackiness. How disappointing, but important to know where we stand with Neil.
because he is not a feminist?
Neil is a smart guy in astro physics. however i don't need a bachelor of sociology to know BS when I hear it. Neils opinions on social issues are at everyone's level. when it comes to astro physics only a peer can challenge him.... i cannot. but i can certainly challenge him on social issues..... esp when his words don't come out sounding too intelligent on these social issues.
I’ve known him to be a crackpot for at least 5 years now, nothing new. NOT a man of science, a “science communicator” the likes of the Science guy and other half baked looney tunes.
@@nickyalousakis3851 supporting gender quotas doesn’t make you a specialist on public policy.
It just makes you a woke feminist
He exposed himself as a fraud awhile ago with his climate change hoax BS.
Neil cherry picks science as he chooses. Also, gets very heated anytime someone dares to contradict him. What a great embassador for science he is.
You can take the scientist out of the ghetto..
Moar liek embarrassador amirite?
He has always been an actor
He was talking utter nonsense and he was let to get away... his solutions are totally idiotic and so unpractical for dozens of reasons..
Japp. He’s using rhetorical methods of downgrading the person he’s talking to. Ad hominem approach, loads of wordy BS, but not letting the other person finish their argument. And what kind of argument is “what do you care”??! The dumbest of them all. Gosh this dude, unbelievable.
The bathroom method doesn't solves avoiding boys going into the girls bathroom.
They have to be separate
Our first DEI astrophysicist on full display.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is the smartest person that Neil deGrasse Tyson has ever met.
he is a legend in his own universe that he made , what a mind job, MATRIX
... ideologue in a basic sense.
True. No one will ever love Neil as much as Neil loves Neil.
omg hes a LIBERAL GET HIM!!!
No, there's no bipartisan thinking here. He's just a knob. Sorry to disappoint.@@Scorch428
We can always count on astrophysicists to be experts on biology.
Carl Sagan was and he'll be roling in his grave if he heard this pseudo-scientist's BS.
Honestly I’d question anything he speaks on, even physics. The lack of logic, critical thinking he’s displayed should ensure this guy isn’t taken seriously in anything.
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Eh it's the work of Alfred Kinsey unfortunately. A lot of falsified research. But astronomically well funded. This idea of gender as a spectrum (instead of a binary) is straight from kinsey and the kinsey institute.
and social organization
Excuse me Sir, Neil deGrasse Tyson is an expert on everything, just ask him .. 🤔
Neil wokeup and he realize that he is mars 😂
Whenever someone says "what do you care!", it most often means can't defend their stupidity and are angry that you are noticing their stupidity.
He doesn’t want to be kicked out of the cult so now he’s spewing this BS.
He got rich, very rich, selling this BS...
I don't think so. I think he's genuine. He just does not understand what the argument is actually about. He's approaching things from his perspective not realising that his perspective is not shared by anyone else.
Exactly. He knows if he doesnt pish this bs then he will never get another multi hundred thousand dollar speaking gig ever again.
Yet he does also seem to have rationalised it to himself.
So hes a pos and a moron.
Hes got skeletons in his closet. They tried to get him once with the metoo movement and know he's terrified and tries to ass lick every left wing ideology
@@CristiNeagu Nooooo. He's looking down the barrel of a pistol and reciting the script to the masses. Normally he wouldn't even be involved in talking about this bs.
Tyson is very rude. So a little 5 year old girl has to go into the same communal bathroom as a 60 year old man?! NO! Bad policy is being created based on bad "science"
It was my understanding he was talking about changing facilities and not bathrooms, wash rooms or toilets.
My question is this, who sends their 5 year old into the toilet alone?
Yeah, I totally fail to see how having separate stools in the same communal bathrooms solved anything. What happened to the urinals? Do guys now have to queue for ages to go for a piss because of this 'solution'?
I'm not really sure what it is but it is certainly not "SCIENCE".
@@LowlyEidolonwho would send a 5 year old into a bathroom alone?
A father. One that knows a man won’t be in there because it is a WOMANs bathroom.
You know that kids go to school at 4 or 5 alone, right?
@@rebchizelbeak5392 but we still have separate girls and boys toilets at most schools - and both separated from adult loos.
I have more than those two... a third example is that it is a majority preference, not a minority preference and right to have their population feel comfortable with a traditional heterosexual difference, as occurs at birth... including intersex people, and to feel comfortable in all free spaces. Get used to it. The majority do not have to agree with, comply with or even tolerate the sexual preference...which is ultimately why men want to dress as women or become like a woman. The majority do not have to cow tow to the preferences of a minority. That is what democratic decision making is based on. The thing that is wrong with society now is that a democratic culture should be protecting the rights od the majority population of that society and not put the protection of the minority over and above the minority and especially when that minority view is in conflict with that of tge majority view of what is acceptable.
over and above the majority I meant.
Can’t wait for Wimbledon to be turned into a 6 month event with hundreds of categories but at least we’ll get the singles for 6’ blonde women who don’t grunt.
Neil has become a full blown ideological sophist.
Plus a full blown narcissist. Witch was on full display today.
@@tonyc223 The funny part of that sentence is you probably use the correct spelling of WITCH lol
He's wrong. I feel like he's stepping into this conversation with naive ideas about gender from 15 years ago, but he's not a sophist. He's on Triggernometry having the conversation for cryin' out loud. I think the man should get props for having the convo.
maybe you need to look up the definition of sophist@@lelandbjerg1187
@@lelandbjerg1187 Why should he get any props for doing an interview? He doesn't deserve a medal for making himself look like an utter fool.
neil is a perfect example of how we can be smart and stupid at the same time.
Haha
There is an increasing amount of these people. Hurts to see this
Or just stupid stupid
Wise fools
He’s not smart. He just benefited from affirmative action
Neil just don't want to be cancelled. LOL
the nesquik boy fans here: Who told him he's a scientist?? hahahahaha
Just because something is "old" does not make it bad and just because something is "new" doesn't make it good.
And just because something is "new" doesn't mean it hasn't been tried before and failed out of existence only for the discussion to re-emerge again for whatever reason. Lots of "new" ideas are failed ideas from a previous time.
Thomas Sowell goes into great depth about that in certain books.
@@monissiddiqui6559 After my own heart!
In progressive mind-rot land all change is progressive, and all progress is good.
@@16m49x3 And the assumption they are benevolent, to your point, that all progress is "good".
After watching this it’s clear that being a genius in one subject doesn’t mean you can’t be an imbecile in others
“Genius”
True. Another way of looking at it is that wokeness can even infect genius.
He’s not even a genius. Please…
He's no genius in any subject. Far from it.
He's been called out before by real scientists for being a fraud and a dumbass.
What about the children who are transitioning too young and then regretting it?
What about the imposing of language changes that affect everyone?
If I’m a non English speaking person in England can I demand every person in my environment to learn to speak my language? This is insane
So if we slice the competition up and all competitive physical sports end up in a space where there aren’t any biological women competing is that right? Is that true?
Oh dear ! This is a classic example of how intelligence does not give any protection from stupidity.
Neils "shut up I'm smarter than you!" behaviour has lost him a lot respect IMO.
Imagine Thomas Sowell or John McWorter behaving like that!
Two very smart guys who calmly and simply put points forward and quite rightly gain massive respect in doing so.
NDG can go suck a dick! I lost ALL respect i had for him bro!
Tyson thinks there are perfect solutions, ie fix society. Thomas Sowell thinks there are no perfect solutions, there's only trade offs and he's right! Tyson has an elitist mindset
Contrary... being very intelligent actually makes it easier for you to do mental gymnastics to convince yourself of absurdities.
Knowledge ≠ Intelligence/Logic/Common sense
He’s arrogant and condescending, but that doesn’t make his points wrong so this is just a red herring.
Neil is proof that scientist have been ideologically captured/blinded.
that idiot was keep on interrupting Neil deGrasse Tyson. neil has said everything logically correct
No, he is proof that ONE scientist has been... 👍
Scientists are humans like any other they have always been bias and had egos. The scientific field in reality is probably one of the most toxic when it comes to opinion. Think about dedicating 30-40 years of your life to an idea just to have someone else come say your wrong or in reverse think about if you proved something that was accepted by science to be true for 100 years by thousands of other scientists to be wrong how much push back you would get. Compound all of that with if your wrong you could lose your income source.
@@ginojaco scientists were always ideological. scientists are humans and everyone has a bias.
100% science has been bastardized for a long while. ps 4 replies but i only see 2 !!!
Are they serious, a lot of people want to legislate and police how people express their gender, Tyson is totally ok to defend someone's freedoms.
Should we not have our own drinking fountains again? The ones who want to drink city water deserve to.
What a great move to just let Tyson talk.
People need to see how crazy he’s become.
Great job!
It's kind of the other way around though, you have to wait for a 5 second gap where Neil grants you permission to talk.
This is what "turn the other cheek" looks like in real life. It's about staying civilized when your opponent is an asshole.
He is like Ben Shapiro. They way he bombastically over dramatizes his mannerisms and speech patterns makes you think what he is saying has gravitas and depth but it is a baffle because the words he is saying are empty. It is made to make you think he is so confident in what he says. But he can't hide his body language. He is terrible at it. Several points he was visibly shaking. He was trying to explain how enlightened their bathrooms are. He literally just described a bathroom. The problem isn't that there aren't small dividers between stalls mate, its that people can still look and touch over those things.
He really is an ass. He's the public face of modern science - illogical, irrational, emotional, egotistical.
@@simondavis750 Bathrooms have, IMO, always been the 'easy' win which masks the real harm. It is relatively simple to create private spaces in a bathroom, the real issue is the underlying principle of 'women (female) only spaces.' I don't care about bathrooms. I care how you can prove voyeurism and exhibitionism - known sexual crimes committed overwhelming against women - if you have locker rooms, spas, and other spaces where anyone can 'self identify' as a woman and enter.
I am still waiting for someone, anyone, to give me a definition of the word 'woman' that neither relies on biology nor on stereotypes yet still retains enough meaning you could legally classify someone as one. Maybe I'll consider the 'trans women are women' point as possibly valid if anyone could do it.
Neil convinced me he was right by shouting.
he felt the need to shout cos his argument was losing ground
And by using sweet sounding words like: creative, together and solving 😀
RACE is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
@@lauralee6628That IS actually true!
@@lauralee6628 i dont see skin colors.. i guess this means i'm not a democrat
The mental gymnastics required to even explain a potential solution for juat 1 sport shows that its an unnecessary problem created to distract and divid people.
This is how you know we’re fucked, when comedians are smarter than scientists.
I would love to hear his mental gymnastics for justifying letting biological males in female prisons, and how he would justify the rapes that have happened because of it
Prisons. Exactly. R* shelters or domestic violence shelters too. Or instances where children are sleeping together overnight. Can he really not grasp this?
A likely solution is don't have prisons separateed by sex but by some other means
I wouldn’t expect a good explanation. His main position was “why do you care?!!!” 🙄
My 'favourite' was a girl couldn't have been attacked in that way because there were no males in the girls bathroom. It must have been the girl with a penis then...or the male in a skirt.
@@glerp10000000000 I didn't see this in the video above
Neil wants us to "think differently" to solve a problem which had been "solved" since the beginning of time.
Haha true.
It has never been a problem until cultural Marxists looked for something new to be the oppressor class to be oppressed, since the last 200 attempts at Marxism had failed.
Neil encourages the destruction of the playing field, then points his finger at everyone else and screams "fix the playing field!"
The solution is to re-arrange society to suit a small minority of it.
He misunderstands why people watch sports. It’s not to watch fairness. It’s to watch something meaningful.
Just wait until he figures out that weight and gender classes are how you solve the issue of fair competition. That's the way you slice it.
Tyson has an internal temper tantrum when he can't interrupt people! 😂😂😂😂
This is what happens when you believe your degrees make you smarter than what you really are. This man has lost his mind.
Rather, he thinks his PhD in astrophysics makes him an expert in other subjects due to his rational scientist's mind. He's not the only expert like that.
Totally a buffoon
So instead of male and female sports categories, we have lung capacity categories, bone density categories, hip girth categories, fast twitch muscle fibre categories, testosterone level categories. Only in Neil deGrasse Tyson's mind does that make sense.
And it will end up being essentially male groups seperate from female groups, with a small overlap where 110lb flyweight men can compete with 140lb women.
2041 - Only identical twins can compete as that's the only fair competition there is.
Woah woah woah, just a minute! He has "thought about this."
deeply
He has always been an actor
Suppose today I feel 80 percent fish.